Elation KM201 vs Oktava MC 012 early impressions.
corn
acoustic guitar and voice.
Bottom line is that the 201 has more presence and more articulation
without losing the silkiness. I also notice that I can mic much much
closer with the 201. The MC012 is slightly muddier sounding with less
presence and I can mic at about 14-18 inches without getting too bassy.
The 201 allows me to get as close as 6 inches without drowing the mix
with low frequencies!
So which is better? That's a tough one to answer! It really depends on
the application. This is a good thing, because originally I thought I
would be returning the MC012 in exchange for another 201. But this isn't
to say that the 201 doesn't sound "better". Hm..I just contradicted
myself. Is it worth the extra dough? I think so. Just the fact that it
allows me to mic closer is worth the extra money.
Ok, for voice the 201 is much better in my opinion. Extremely smooth on
voice and it made me smile when I first heard it, as it did Taylor J.
On mandolin, the MC012 gets the thumbs up simply because I like a
woodier sounding mandolin with less presence. others may enjoy the 201
better. Oh my...I love these damn mics! Ok, ok...I don't want to hype
them, but hot DAMN! I can't control myself! hehehehe
I'm keeping both of them Taylor. I now have 2 of the best mics I've ever
owned. I just can't enough of the Russian sound. Thanks God the iron
curtain fell!
wes
Michael Vladimirsky
corn wrote<38038D2F...@msmisp.com> ...
Seems, we do understand "presence" differently. Km201 has less of that
higher-midrange emphasis the MC012 cardioid head has. The Km201s cardioid
capsule sounds more relaxed, not far from from a good MC012 omni capsule.
And elation, especially the current, new version, has far better resolution
on basses.
Michael Vladimirsky
russian professional microphones
+7(095)1906152
Ty Ford
>
>Ok, for voice the 201 is much better in my opinion. Extremely smooth on
>voice and it made me smile when I first heard it, as it did Taylor J.
>
>On mandolin, the MC012 gets the thumbs up simply because I like a
>woodier sounding mandolin with less presence. others may enjoy the 201
>better. Oh my...I love these damn mics! Ok, ok...I don't want to hype
>them, but hot DAMN! I can't control myself! hehehehe
>
>I'm keeping both of them Taylor. I now have 2 of the best mics I've ever
>owned. I just can't enough of the Russian sound. Thanks God the iron
>curtain fell!
>
>wes
Wes,
Just out of curiosity, what the heck have you been using for mics up until
now? And, do you still have those Natasha Kinski posters up all over the house?
Regards,
Ty Ford
Ty Ford's equipment reviews and V/O files can be found at
http://www.jagunet.com/~tford
Mark Plancke
> Oh my...I love these damn mics! Ok, ok...I don't want to hype
>them, but hot DAMN! I can't control myself! hehehehe
>
>I'm keeping both of them Taylor. I now have 2 of the best mics I've ever
>owned. I just can't enough of the Russian sound. Thanks God the iron
>curtain fell!
I'm happy for you, really I am.
Now, will you shut the fuck up!
Mark Plancke
"Thanks God I don't live near this putz"
Right now the recording game is crawling with wannabees. Lots of
profiteering can be done at their expense, by making flimsy crap and
pitching it as "just as good as, or a suitable alternative to" something
that's really good and has stood the test of time. - Steve Albini
SOUNDTECH RECORDING STUDIOS
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
http://SoundTechRecording.com
Rob22222
>Right now the recording game is crawling with wannabees. Lots of
>profiteering can be done at their expense, by making flimsy crap and
>pitching it as "just as good as, or a suitable alternative to" something
>that's really good and has stood the test of time. - Steve Albini
Do you have to keep tacking this snobbery to EVERY post? Life's too short. I
heard your clever albini-ism the first time
>Now, will YOU shut the fuck up!
Mylesboise
and I appreciate enthusiasm as much as the next guy (if the next guy is Mark
Planke). But I really appreciate a statement like:
"I liked them a little better than the AT4051 on the test I did, the AT
in comparison lack some upper midrange. Compared to the Calrecs
(which are very smooth), the Elations were less noisy and hotter but
they were not miles above the Calrecs in sound, a bit more detailed on
the top, but lacking some fullness."
Even if I'm not familiar with the mics that are mentioned, this level of
critical comparison lets me know that the writer is familiar with different
kinds of mics, took some time, and listened carefully. Any review should be
taken with several grains of salt, but this newsgroup would be a lot more
useful if we saw more reports like Al's with objective standards. Hope that
doesn't sound too snobby. Myles Boisen
Mark Plancke
>Do you have to keep tacking this snobbery to EVERY post? Life's too short. I
>heard your clever albini-ism the first time
Yes, as a matter of fact I do.
Mark Plancke
Right now the recording game is crawling with wannabees. Lots of
profiteering can be done at their expense, by making flimsy crap and
pitching it as "just as good as, or a suitable alternative to" something
that's really good and has stood the test of time. - Steve Albini
SOUNDTECH RECORDING STUDIOS
Mark Plancke
>Thanks Al for your comments. I always enjoy reading people's reports on mics,
>and I appreciate enthusiasm as much as the next guy (if the next guy is Mark
>Planke).
Don't go setting a precedence Myles, I may never be able to live up to
it.
>Hope that doesn't sound too snobby. Myles Boisen
No, not to me at least. <G>
corn
> Wes,
>
> Just out of curiosity, what the heck have you been using for mics up until
> now? And, do you still have those Natasha Kinski posters up all over the house?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>
> Ty Ford's equipment reviews and V/O files can be found at
> http://www.jagunet.com/~tford
I appreciate your humour Ty. I've used the best mics available today. Goto Ebay,
look up the name corn55 and see what I've sold. These are just the mics that I've
SOLD. I have a cabinet of 21 mics including U-87, TLM103 etc....
At this point the KM201 and MC012 are the best damn acoustic guitar and mandolin
mics I've ever used. The KM201 simply *kills* the KM84/85 on guitar. But hey that's
just me. There's several of your reviews that I don't agree with, but hey that's
just you.
wes
Ty Ford
(Rob22222) wrote:
>
>>Right now the recording game is crawling with wannabees. Lots of
>>profiteering can be done at their expense, by making flimsy crap and
>>pitching it as "just as good as, or a suitable alternative to" something
>>that's really good and has stood the test of time. - Steve Albini
>
>heard your clever albini-ism the first time
>
>
Actually, it's not snobbery. It's that the gear makers have identified the
price point triggers that most weekenders will pay. At the moment, there's a
lot more weekenders than professional studios. That volume of people means
more profit to the gear sellers than they could get from the professional side.
Many gear sellers have backwards-engineered much of their gear to sell for
that price point and are going to the bank because the buyers don't have the
experience or equipment to let them hear the difference.
Mars and Guitar Center are testament to the increased number of buyers. They
wouldn't be able to sell enough gear if the people weren't there. The
profusion of audio trade magazine wouldn't be here either.
In the big view, this is just the prelude for what's going to happen in the
next five to ten years. I mentioned this before, but, in two more years the
12-17 year old cell of people in the US will be bigger than it was when the
Baby Boom went through. Seven years after that, precluding plague or world
war, the 12-24 cell will be full and huge. These people will have
unprecendented spending power due to their sheer numbers.
Just as with the Baby Boom, there will probably be a cultural revolution.
Music will likely be a major component. It's all headed this way.
Oh and yes, there's a lot more crap on the market these days.
dgkenney
In fact, the median and mean age of the US population is projected to
continue to rise from the present 35+ to 37+ during this time period. OTOH
the 12-24 age bracket does buy a lot of music, so this should bode well for
Brittany Spears. <g>
Dan
Ty Ford <tf...@jagunet.com> wrote in article
<C9E10049599C4D2F.CB6264CE...@lp.airnews.net>...
Dave Martin
forgetting that it's the old people's fault; they're not dying quick enough.
If people were dying at an average 65 years of age (and around 70 for
women), like they were just a few years ago, then the median age would be
reflective of this bulge. But since those ungrateful geezers are actually
living and staying active well into their eighties and nineties, then the
statistical median hides the absolute numbers.
Dave Martin
Digital Media Associates, Inc.
Nashville, Tennessee
dave....@nashville.com
dgkenney wrote in message <01bf1650$46d4a900$258c15cf@default>...
fall...@pop.softhome.net
dgkenney
You'd think so. But if you check out the census data you will see that
over the next 10 years, the baby boomers will be in their 50's and are
almost an exact "counterweight" to the bubble the previous poster refereed
to. It really is amazing that they are almost identical population
"bubbles" almost equidistant from the median and means.
Dan
Dave Martin <dave....@nashville.com> wrote in article
<s0bvug...@corp.supernews.com>...
dgkenney
fall...@POP.softhome.net wrote in article
<38060C3F...@POP.softhome.net>...
> What does this all have to do with Elation KM 201 subject?
Somehow we went from early impressions to future predictions while
disregarding the equipment evaluation. It can happen on the net...I've
seen it before.
Dan
Jon Best
source. Makes sense to pick a bunch of them up now, as the population's only
going to get older and people haven't really picked up on this particular aspect
of the KM201 yet.
Jon Best
Sales Weasel From Mars
fall...@POP.softhome.net wrote:
> What does this all have to do with Elation KM 201 subject?
>
Dave Martin
matter - in fact, I haven't thought about the census since the last time
there was one, when I worked part time as a census taker), but on an
empirical level, I see that we're continuing to have to build new schools,
and the figures that the local paper prints imply that it IS a mighty big
bulge, even discounting people moving to this area.
Median is where half of the population is older and the other half is
younger, right? and mean is an average, where for instance you take 20
people, add their ages and divide by 2 to get the mean? and what's the one
where you take the oldest and the youngest and the point in the middle is
the datum? I think one of Steven J. Gould's books discuss this, but I don't
have any of my references handy...
I didn't know there'd be math involved...
Dave Martin
Digital Media Associates, Inc.
Nashville, Tennessee
dave....@nashville.com
dgkenney wrote in message <01bf1679$f6416d00$7a8c15cf@default>...
>Dave,
>
>You'd think so. But if you check out the census data you will see that
>over the next 10 years, the baby boomers will be in their 50's and are
>almost an exact "counterweight" to the bubble the previous poster refereed
>to. It really is amazing that they are almost identical population
>"bubbles" almost equidistant from the median and means.
>
>Dan
>
>Dave Martin <dave....@nashville.com> wrote in article
><s0bvug...@corp.supernews.com>...
Dave Martin
elation?
So it's a stretch...
Dave Martin
Digital Media Associates, Inc.
Nashville, Tennessee
dave....@nashville.com
fall...@POP.softhome.net wrote in message
<38060C3F...@POP.softhome.net>...
>What does this all have to do with Elation KM 201 subject?
>
>Dave Martin wrote:
>
Mike Rivers
> I believe that while the projections are for the median age to rise, you're
> forgetting that it's the old people's fault; they're not dying quick enough.
OK, I'll work on it. <croak!>
In the meantime, NAMM's Weekend Warriors promotion program is doing
well for the dealers.
--
Mike Rivers (I'm really mri...@d-and-d.com)
Ty Ford
<dgke...@dgkenney.com> wrote:
>Interesting theory -- but unsubstantiated by the census bureau projections.
> In fact, the median and mean age of the US population is projected to
>continue to rise from the present 35+ to 37+ during this time period. OTOH
>the 12-24 age bracket does buy a lot of music, so this should bode well for
>Brittany Spears. <g>
>
>Dan
Dear Dan
Ty Ford
<dgke...@dgkenney.com> wrote:
>Interesting theory -- but unsubstantiated by the census bureau projections.
> In fact, the median and mean age of the US population is projected to
>continue to rise from the present 35+ to 37+ during this time period. OTOH
>the 12-24 age bracket does buy a lot of music, so this should bode well for
>Brittany Spears. <g>
>
>Dan
Dear Dan,
You're on the wrong page. Of course median and mean age will rise, but
that's due to us old farts living older than in previous decades. Go back
and look up the table with the actual population by demographics and you'll
see the spawn of the baby boom.
Regards,
Ty Ford
Ty Ford
<dgke...@dgkenney.com> wrote:
>
>
>fall...@POP.softhome.net wrote in article
>disregarding the equipment evaluation. It can happen on the net...I've
>seen it before.
>
>Dan
The "burp" in the subject line was mine. I'm tired of Rooskie mic rhetoric.
That's all.
Regards,
Ty (not a Rooskie in sight) Ford
Peter Bruce Wilder
Not knowing the *concrete* empiracal data like the back of my hand, I should
like to note a couple of trends in U.S. Population. First, not as many babies
for the boomers; there are usually less kids than their own families. This is
due primarily to the nearly absolute fiscal necessity to have both
spouses/partners working to afford respectable housing and transportation (not
the Ritz - just stuff that works). This being said, there are lots of new
schools being built. This is not necessarily because there are more children to
be educated. On the contrary, in many areas, school populations are receeding
quite significantly. The primary reason for so much school construction is two
fold: 1.) its time to replace a great many rat hole buildings and 2.) the
economy has allowed unprecedented low bond rates as well as Fed and State
contributions.
A final note about population. Babies born don't hold a candle to the amount of
people immigrating to our fair hunk of continent each year - both legally and
illegally. Though the U.S. (Gold Bless Her) has its share of social problems,
it still holds the last cowboy dreams of free enterprise to mostly everybody
else on the planet. This includes many of our first world allies, who still
envy us, screw ups and all. Unadulterated capitalistic greed as a motivator is
far from the most perfect situation, theoretically speaking... but as of yet -
for progress (better or worse) nothing else has been perfected that works quite
as well. This may turn when the very rich pay their share a la European style
tax codes... but don't expect it anytime soon.
My two grumpy cents. And I never heard of a KM201. KM is a Neumann prefix, is
it not? The only "201" I am aware of is the glorious Beyerdynamic M201.
- Peter
Ty Ford wrote:
> In Article <01bf1650$46d4a900$258c15cf@default>, "dgkenney"
> <dgke...@dgkenney.com> wrote:
> >Interesting theory -- but unsubstantiated by the census bureau projections.
> > In fact, the median and mean age of the US population is projected to
> >continue to rise from the present 35+ to 37+ during this time period. OTOH
> >the 12-24 age bracket does buy a lot of music, so this should bode well for
> >Brittany Spears. <g>
> >
> >Dan
>
> Dear Dan
Les Cargill
>
> Interesting theory -- but unsubstantiated by the census bureau projections.
> In fact, the median and mean age of the US population is projected to
> continue to rise from the present 35+ to 37+ during this time period. OTOH
> the 12-24 age bracket does buy a lot of music, so this should bode well for
> Brittany Spears. <g>
There's still a big ol' hump comin' up quickly. It's the modes, not the median
( the relative maxima, not the overall maximum ). The mean age is likely
due to increased life expectancy from all Greggary Peccary's slowly
aging young people, now headin' towards 50. I hope it's gonna be cool. We've all gotten
rather staid around here lately.
>
> Dan
>
> Ty Ford <tf...@jagunet.com> wrote in article
> <C9E10049599C4D2F.CB6264CE...@lp.airnews.net>...
> >
> > In the big view, this is just the prelude for what's going to happen in
> the
> > next five to ten years. I mentioned this before, but, in two more years
> the
> > 12-17 year old cell of people in the US will be bigger than it was when
> the
> > Baby Boom went through. Seven years after that, precluding plague or
> world
> > war, the 12-24 cell will be full and huge. These people will have
> > unprecendented spending power due to their sheer numbers.
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hank alrich
> It's an amazing geezer mic- seems to subtract several decades from any
> recorded source. Makes sense to pick a bunch of them up now, as the
> population's only going to get older and people haven't really picked up
> on this particular aspect of the KM201 yet.
Yes, _but_, not such a good mic for vintage instruments, particularly
Martins and/or Gibson, as their sound loses decades of tone and value
when mic'd with such a device.
> > fall...@POP.softhome.net wrote:
> >
> > What does this all have to do with Elation KM 201 subject?
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hank alrich
> It really is amazing that they are almost identical population
> "bubbles" almost equidistant from the median and means.
Maybe this accounts for Brittany Spears popularity, as she, too, has
"population bubbles" similarly situated. She's elated and it shows.
Scott Hughes
Blues(part Latvian, part German, Part Californian), sennheiser.
Sometimes I just can help but be inflamitory!!
Scott Hughes,
Proud to be a fat-assed, burger-eatin' American.