Mike Rivers" wrote in message
>This is exactly why you need to get it right the first time. The only
>reason you should have to re-take a vocal is if the words change or the
>singer (or producer) wants something different about the style.
I have to disagree here. I have seen dozens of takes and a lot of comping
in my years even with great vocalists. I heard through the grapevine that
Mariah Carey in her prime averaged around 114 vocal takes per song.
>Is there any reason to record a vocalist that isn't good? Vanity,
perhaps.
Money? There are a lot of people out there that think they can sing and
are willing to put their hard earned dollars into it or their sugar daddies,
so you try to accommodate. <g>
>That's when, in the pre-production phase, you figure out how to take
>advantage of the deficiencies of the vocalist and make the voice work with
>the song.
True!
> Is Bob Dylan a great singer?
In my opinion yes, I like the way he sings, and he never has actually landed
on a note yet to this day. He changed everything though and I really like
what he did for music in general. Where would Neil Young, Tom Petty, and
Sheryl Crowe be today along with a *ton* of other talented artists?
Typically music critics (the professional type) like the rawness and cannot
stand the polish and they can help sell your records as well.
I *also* like vocalists who seem to have almost pitch perfect, who can belt
it out, and are great singers from a technical side of things as I have
always appreciated both sides of the fence.
I am a singer/guitarist and have studied voice and have taken voice lessons
and I have an appreciation for both camps. Some days I sound good and some
days I sound like crap. For me, I have to have an emotional moment to get
that take.
My voice coach always told me to drink tea with honey and lemon in it.
I come to find out years later that many singers take a *shot* of something
to relax the anatomy of the vocal body. Anyway the tea was good for my
throat but not my voice. I tense up if it is caffeinated. You would never
want to hear my voice caffeinated. I almost went to prison once after a
recording session where everyone almost died after hearing my voice.
>And give the job to three different engineers and they'll each have a
>different approach and end up with a different sound.
So true.
>But, you know, if I was a songwriter and had some good songs to record,
> I wouldn't record myself singing them, because I'm not a good singer.
> I know it, and I wouldn't expect a team of engineers and producers to turn
> me into one with technology. I'd get another singer. Probably if I was
> doing an album of songs, I'd get several singers, choosing the best one I
> could get for each
> song. Heck, I'd get the same royalties anyway, and the reviews (hopefully)
> woudn't be "Great songs, awful singer."
Wonderfully stated. Are you spying on me? You see, I have been back and
forth
recently with just screw it and get a "Wrecking Crew" in here from L.A. or
something
and even if I have to replace my own parts. :-( I have decided to do this
and am looking for personnel.
Royalties for retirement. Yep that's the ticket and thank you Mike. I think
I will just sell out. <g>