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Garvin Yee
May 18, 2012, 2:21:51 PM5/18/12
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I have a laptop that has 64-bit Windows 7, but
it only has 3 Gigs of RAM, which I plan to increase
to at least 4 Gigs.
But I read you don't really see a big difference between
Windows 7 32-bit and 64-bit until you have at least 4 Gigs.
And I've seen many forums where people had problems with
the 64-bit version of Cubase 5, specifically with certain
VSTis, and many people ended up going back to the 32-bit
version, just using it in the 64-bit version of Windows 7.
But many of these comments were back in 2010, so I'm wondering
if the people who make Cubase have released fixes to most of
these problems?
it only has 3 Gigs of RAM, which I plan to increase
to at least 4 Gigs.
But I read you don't really see a big difference between
Windows 7 32-bit and 64-bit until you have at least 4 Gigs.
And I've seen many forums where people had problems with
the 64-bit version of Cubase 5, specifically with certain
VSTis, and many people ended up going back to the 32-bit
version, just using it in the 64-bit version of Windows 7.
But many of these comments were back in 2010, so I'm wondering
if the people who make Cubase have released fixes to most of
these problems?
Garvin Yee
May 18, 2012, 3:13:42 PM5/18/12
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have audio latency problems (dropouts, clicks and stuttering),
and that they recommended sticking with XP for audio work.
Don Pearce
May 18, 2012, 3:59:10 PM5/18/12
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sample latency.
d
bob
May 19, 2012, 12:04:08 AM5/19/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 19:59:10 GMT, sp...@spam.com (Don Pearce) wrote:
>>Also, someone mentioned that Windows Vista and 7 tend to
>>have audio latency problems (dropouts, clicks and stuttering),
>>and that they recommended sticking with XP for audio work.
>>
>
>I'm using win7, and my Asio driver cruises very comfortably with a 32
>sample latency.
>
>d
yup, using window 7 64 and cubase 6.0, and now 6.5, here for about 5
>>Also, someone mentioned that Windows Vista and 7 tend to
>>have audio latency problems (dropouts, clicks and stuttering),
>>and that they recommended sticking with XP for audio work.
>>
>
>I'm using win7, and my Asio driver cruises very comfortably with a 32
>sample latency.
>
>d
months and it's been perfect so far.
Garvin Yee
May 19, 2012, 12:40:15 AM5/19/12
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On May 18, 9:04 pm, bob <bo...@canada.com> wrote:
If you read here:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may05/articles/pcmusician.htm
They recommend making the first partition, on the faster data-
transfer, outer
rim of the HD, to be a "current project" partition, the second to be
the Windows OS partition, and the third to be where you store
older projects.
This makes your audio data transfer faster for current projects,
at the expense of Windows booting up slower.
Sounds like a good trade to me.....what do you guys think?
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may05/articles/pcmusician.htm
They recommend making the first partition, on the faster data-
transfer, outer
rim of the HD, to be a "current project" partition, the second to be
the Windows OS partition, and the third to be where you store
older projects.
This makes your audio data transfer faster for current projects,
at the expense of Windows booting up slower.
Sounds like a good trade to me.....what do you guys think?
Don Pearce
May 19, 2012, 1:42:59 AM5/19/12
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surfaces they are orders of magnitude faster than I'll ever need for
audio. And that is the sustained rate. Writing into the drive's cache
is blindingly fast.
d
swanny
May 19, 2012, 2:39:38 AM5/19/12
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I'd recommend a win+apps hdd, a project hdd and a library hdd. 3x1TB
drives should do it nicely. That's what I use anyway.
Bill
May 19, 2012, 7:45:50 PM5/19/12
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In message <LeHtr.6991$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
swanny <swa...@nospam.net> writes
But the OP said he is using a laptop.
I have experience with laptops and Windows 7, although not with Cubase,
and multiple HD's are difficult, if not impossible to arrange. There is
also the question of what other services need to be stopped to achieve a
smooth audio result.
In my case with the Win 7 64-bit machine, I had to find and install the
AMD/ATI usb "filter" (it's an Acer AMD-based machine), and normally kill
the wi-fi and the anti-virus software for audio sessions.
The 32-bit Win7 Intel-based Thinkpad needs a slightly different
approach, and is actually slightly more flakey.
One problem is that, by their very nature, laptops are usually multiple
purpose. Multiple purpose often = multiple problems.
--
Bill
swanny <swa...@nospam.net> writes
I have experience with laptops and Windows 7, although not with Cubase,
and multiple HD's are difficult, if not impossible to arrange. There is
also the question of what other services need to be stopped to achieve a
smooth audio result.
In my case with the Win 7 64-bit machine, I had to find and install the
AMD/ATI usb "filter" (it's an Acer AMD-based machine), and normally kill
the wi-fi and the anti-virus software for audio sessions.
The 32-bit Win7 Intel-based Thinkpad needs a slightly different
approach, and is actually slightly more flakey.
One problem is that, by their very nature, laptops are usually multiple
purpose. Multiple purpose often = multiple problems.
--
Bill
Trevor
May 20, 2012, 1:55:18 AM5/20/12
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"Bill" <Billa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Mh8E46Vu...@itsound.demon.co.uk...
>>If you really need to do this then it sounds like you need more hard
>>drives.
>>
>>I'd recommend a win+apps hdd, a project hdd and a library hdd. 3x1TB
>>drives should do it nicely. That's what I use anyway.
Right, I haven't partitioned hard drives for years since they became so
>>drives.
>>
>>I'd recommend a win+apps hdd, a project hdd and a library hdd. 3x1TB
>>drives should do it nicely. That's what I use anyway.
cheap and easy to simply add more instead
> But the OP said he is using a laptop.
>
> I have experience with laptops and Windows 7, although not with Cubase,
> and multiple HD's are difficult, if not impossible to arrange.
copy all data files to an external portable hard drive when the session is
over, copy them again to a backup drive, and delete them from the laptop. I
could also record directly to an external firewire drive, but that is one
more possible problem I'd rather avoid.
>There is
> also the question of what other services need to be stopped to achieve a
> smooth audio result.
> In my case with the Win 7 64-bit machine, I had to find and install the
> AMD/ATI usb "filter" (it's an Acer AMD-based machine), and normally kill
> the wi-fi and the anti-virus software for audio sessions.
internet (as I don't) then you don't need WiFi enabled or anti virus
software on the computer at all.
> One problem is that, by their very nature, laptops are usually multiple
> purpose. Multiple purpose often = multiple problems.
for recording purposes is the only smart thing to do IMO if you are at all
serious. I also have a dedicated desk top recording computer that does not
connect to the internet, or run office programs, for the same reasons.
Trevor.
Bill
May 20, 2012, 7:02:49 AM5/20/12
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In message <jpa0vk$b4e$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Trevor <tre...@home.net>
writes
firewire adapters could be used, but they always fall out at a crucial
moment when I try to use them. Dreadful design.
on my Thinkpad has to be turned off in device manager, not on its "Off"
switch).
The problem is that the people I work with are typically writers or
broadcast producers and journalists, and they use the laptop for other
things as well. They usually only want to carry the laptop, a small
recorder and probably a usb interface. There's enough junk with mics,
cables etc.
I suppose I'm OT as they don't usually use Cubase as far as I know.
recordist.
I suppose I should come clean and say that I use multiple machines.
--
Bill
writes
>> I have experience with laptops and Windows 7, although not with Cubase,
>> and multiple HD's are difficult, if not impossible to arrange.
>
>I record multi channel to my laptop all the time without problem, I simply
>copy all data files to an external portable hard drive when the session is
>over, copy them again to a backup drive, and delete them from the laptop. I
>could also record directly to an external firewire drive, but that is one
>more possible problem I'd rather avoid.
>
As I used to when I used a laptop with firewire. Now, ExpressCard
>> and multiple HD's are difficult, if not impossible to arrange.
>
>I record multi channel to my laptop all the time without problem, I simply
>copy all data files to an external portable hard drive when the session is
>over, copy them again to a backup drive, and delete them from the laptop. I
>could also record directly to an external firewire drive, but that is one
>more possible problem I'd rather avoid.
>
firewire adapters could be used, but they always fall out at a crucial
moment when I try to use them. Dreadful design.
>
>>There is
>> also the question of what other services need to be stopped to achieve a
>> smooth audio result.
>
>Easy if you use a dedicated computer.
Agreed, or if you have a checklist for what to turn off and how (eg wifi
>>There is
>> also the question of what other services need to be stopped to achieve a
>> smooth audio result.
>
>Easy if you use a dedicated computer.
on my Thinkpad has to be turned off in device manager, not on its "Off"
switch).
The problem is that the people I work with are typically writers or
broadcast producers and journalists, and they use the laptop for other
things as well. They usually only want to carry the laptop, a small
recorder and probably a usb interface. There's enough junk with mics,
cables etc.
I suppose I'm OT as they don't usually use Cubase as far as I know.
>
>> In my case with the Win 7 64-bit machine, I had to find and install the
>> AMD/ATI usb "filter" (it's an Acer AMD-based machine), and normally kill
>> the wi-fi and the anti-virus software for audio sessions.
>
>That's a minimum, but if you never connect your recording computer to the
>internet (as I don't) then you don't need WiFi enabled or anti virus
>software on the computer at all.
>
>
>> One problem is that, by their very nature, laptops are usually multiple
>> purpose. Multiple purpose often = multiple problems.
>
>OTOH by the very nature of todays cheap computer pricing, buying one just
>for recording purposes is the only smart thing to do IMO if you are at all
>serious. I also have a dedicated desk top recording computer that does not
>connect to the internet, or run office programs, for the same reasons.
>
Agreed. But maybe only if you are, or take with you, a dedicated sound
>> In my case with the Win 7 64-bit machine, I had to find and install the
>> AMD/ATI usb "filter" (it's an Acer AMD-based machine), and normally kill
>> the wi-fi and the anti-virus software for audio sessions.
>
>That's a minimum, but if you never connect your recording computer to the
>internet (as I don't) then you don't need WiFi enabled or anti virus
>software on the computer at all.
>
>
>> One problem is that, by their very nature, laptops are usually multiple
>> purpose. Multiple purpose often = multiple problems.
>
>OTOH by the very nature of todays cheap computer pricing, buying one just
>for recording purposes is the only smart thing to do IMO if you are at all
>serious. I also have a dedicated desk top recording computer that does not
>connect to the internet, or run office programs, for the same reasons.
>
recordist.
I suppose I should come clean and say that I use multiple machines.
--
Bill
Trevor
May 21, 2012, 12:18:46 AM5/21/12
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news:$dBInJZZ...@itsound.demon.co.uk...
little glue will fix the old card in place if you don't make it imposible to
chisel off.
>>>There is
>>> also the question of what other services need to be stopped to achieve a
>>> smooth audio result.
>>
>>Easy if you use a dedicated computer.
>
> Agreed, or if you have a checklist for what to turn off and how (eg wifi
> on my Thinkpad has to be turned off in device manager, not on its "Off"
> switch).
Right, and something you are bound to forget sometimes, or just something to
slow you down when you are in a hurry.
>>> One problem is that, by their very nature, laptops are usually multiple
>>> purpose. Multiple purpose often = multiple problems.
>>
>>OTOH by the very nature of todays cheap computer pricing, buying one just
>>for recording purposes is the only smart thing to do IMO if you are at all
>>serious. I also have a dedicated desk top recording computer that does not
>>connect to the internet, or run office programs, for the same reasons.
>>
> Agreed. But maybe only if you are, or take with you, a dedicated sound
> recordist.
Or at least want to do it properly yourself.
Trevor.
> As I used to when I used a laptop with firewire. Now, ExpressCard firewire
> adapters could be used, but they always fall out at a crucial moment when
> I try to use them. Dreadful design.
Even worse, most laptops no longer have express card slots anyway. But a
> adapters could be used, but they always fall out at a crucial moment when
> I try to use them. Dreadful design.
little glue will fix the old card in place if you don't make it imposible to
chisel off.
>>>There is
>>> also the question of what other services need to be stopped to achieve a
>>> smooth audio result.
>>
>>Easy if you use a dedicated computer.
>
> Agreed, or if you have a checklist for what to turn off and how (eg wifi
> on my Thinkpad has to be turned off in device manager, not on its "Off"
> switch).
slow you down when you are in a hurry.
>>> One problem is that, by their very nature, laptops are usually multiple
>>> purpose. Multiple purpose often = multiple problems.
>>
>>OTOH by the very nature of todays cheap computer pricing, buying one just
>>for recording purposes is the only smart thing to do IMO if you are at all
>>serious. I also have a dedicated desk top recording computer that does not
>>connect to the internet, or run office programs, for the same reasons.
>>
> Agreed. But maybe only if you are, or take with you, a dedicated sound
> recordist.
Trevor.
geoff
May 20, 2012, 2:29:51 AM5/20/12
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Bill wrote:
> I have experience with laptops and Windows 7, although not with
> Cubase, and multiple HD's are difficult, if not impossible to
> arrange.
Really ? I simply plug one in - USB3 (or 2) , eSATA, or Firewire, and it
> I have experience with laptops and Windows 7, although not with
> Cubase, and multiple HD's are difficult, if not impossible to
> arrange.
just works.
>There is also the question of what other services need to be
> stopped to achieve a smooth audio result.
powerful enough not to have to worry about suplerflous services like we did
in the days of Celerons and Pentium 4s.
Certainly kill AV.
geoff
Bill
May 21, 2012, 11:05:37 AM5/21/12
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In message <TJWdnYyI_YehfCTS...@giganews.com>, geoff
<ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> writes
reply. I'm really trying to put the point of view of those who are audio
pro's without being rec pro's.
laptop on 1996, when we recorded a religious service on a laptop running
Windows 3.11 and using Cool Edit. I remember the date well because of
the incident with the nun and the steel door ("We never close") that
resulted in the Cathedral organising a completely different standard
cable route for subsequent broadcasts and recordings.
Then I used old "genuine" pre-fire Acers and Thinkpads for years for
recording and also for testing studio desks and equipment, mainly using
the "good enough" on-board audio. These also provided firewire for
multi-track, and occasional usb.
The two main current machine I use both required far more care in
setting up than these older machines. It's things like ACPI power
saving, the inability to alter irq's in bios and so on that makes it so
much more complex.
The original old Win 3.11 Fujitsu had the huge advantage that you could
set it up in record at base, put it into standby mode, and when you got
to site, it was "instant on". Try that on a Vista machine. :-)
>Certainly kill AV.
>
Yes!
--
Bill
<ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> writes
>Bill wrote:
>
>> I have experience with laptops and Windows 7, although not with
>> Cubase, and multiple HD's are difficult, if not impossible to
>> arrange.
>
>Really ? I simply plug one in - USB3 (or 2) , eSATA, or Firewire, and it
>just works.
But this does involve another box, cable and mains cable. See my other
>
>> I have experience with laptops and Windows 7, although not with
>> Cubase, and multiple HD's are difficult, if not impossible to
>> arrange.
>
>Really ? I simply plug one in - USB3 (or 2) , eSATA, or Firewire, and it
>just works.
reply. I'm really trying to put the point of view of those who are audio
pro's without being rec pro's.
>
>>There is also the question of what other services need to be
>> stopped to achieve a smooth audio result.
>
>Um,, your iunfo might be a bit old. Most laptops that can run Win7 should be
>powerful enough not to have to worry about suplerflous services like we did
>in the days of Celerons and Pentium 4s.
>
This is exactly what I don't agree with. I started serious audio on a
>>There is also the question of what other services need to be
>> stopped to achieve a smooth audio result.
>
>Um,, your iunfo might be a bit old. Most laptops that can run Win7 should be
>powerful enough not to have to worry about suplerflous services like we did
>in the days of Celerons and Pentium 4s.
>
laptop on 1996, when we recorded a religious service on a laptop running
Windows 3.11 and using Cool Edit. I remember the date well because of
the incident with the nun and the steel door ("We never close") that
resulted in the Cathedral organising a completely different standard
cable route for subsequent broadcasts and recordings.
Then I used old "genuine" pre-fire Acers and Thinkpads for years for
recording and also for testing studio desks and equipment, mainly using
the "good enough" on-board audio. These also provided firewire for
multi-track, and occasional usb.
The two main current machine I use both required far more care in
setting up than these older machines. It's things like ACPI power
saving, the inability to alter irq's in bios and so on that makes it so
much more complex.
The original old Win 3.11 Fujitsu had the huge advantage that you could
set it up in record at base, put it into standby mode, and when you got
to site, it was "instant on". Try that on a Vista machine. :-)
>Certainly kill AV.
>
Yes!
--
Bill
geoff
May 20, 2012, 4:59:52 PM5/20/12
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Bill wrote:
> The two main current machine I use both required far more care in
> setting up than these older machines. It's things like ACPI power
> saving, the inability to alter irq's in bios and so on that makes it
> so much more complex.
It's the lack of necessity to dick with IRQs etc that makes it easier !
> The two main current machine I use both required far more care in
> setting up than these older machines. It's things like ACPI power
> saving, the inability to alter irq's in bios and so on that makes it
> so much more complex.
>
> The original old Win 3.11 Fujitsu had the huge advantage that you
> could set it up in record at base, put it into standby mode, and when
> you got to site, it was "instant on". Try that on a Vista machine. :-)
on though.
geoff
Bill
May 21, 2012, 7:53:14 PM5/21/12
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In message <g7ydnfFEN7m1MCfS...@giganews.com>, geoff
<ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> writes
the rare laptops where the bios allowed it, they could make usb audio
interfaces coexist with wifi without glitching. The wifi/USB clash is
the most common problem I've seen, and users on the road often need
wifi..
The original point that I failed to make very clearly was that the OP
was using a laptop and that, in my experience based on trying to rescue
other broadcasters, every laptop has to be treated as an individual
case. One has to test, diagnose, test and test again before recording
with any degree of confidence.
--
Bill
<ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> writes
>It's the lack of necessity to dick with IRQs etc that makes it easier !
There seems to be a small but consistent flow of people saying that with
the rare laptops where the bios allowed it, they could make usb audio
interfaces coexist with wifi without glitching. The wifi/USB clash is
the most common problem I've seen, and users on the road often need
wifi..
The original point that I failed to make very clearly was that the OP
was using a laptop and that, in my experience based on trying to rescue
other broadcasters, every laptop has to be treated as an individual
case. One has to test, diagnose, test and test again before recording
with any degree of confidence.
--
Bill
bob
May 22, 2012, 12:26:43 AM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 00:53:14 +0100, Bill <Billa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In message <g7ydnfFEN7m1MCfS...@giganews.com>, geoff
><ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> writes
>>It's the lack of necessity to dick with IRQs etc that makes it easier !
>
>There seems to be a small but consistent flow of people saying that with
>the rare laptops where the bios allowed it, they could make usb audio
>interfaces coexist with wifi without glitching. The wifi/USB clash is
>the most common problem I've seen, and users on the road often need
>wifi..
i had the same problem with firewire and wifi and didn't realize for
>In message <g7ydnfFEN7m1MCfS...@giganews.com>, geoff
><ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> writes
>>It's the lack of necessity to dick with IRQs etc that makes it easier !
>
>There seems to be a small but consistent flow of people saying that with
>the rare laptops where the bios allowed it, they could make usb audio
>interfaces coexist with wifi without glitching. The wifi/USB clash is
>the most common problem I've seen, and users on the road often need
>wifi..
far too long that i had to turn off the wifi AND the adapter
completely to make things run perfectly... stupid computers! maybe we
should all just sing to each other...
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