Speaking of tubes

[hank alrich]

http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.com/2012/01/31/make-your-own-tubes



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[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 09:00:49 -0800, walk...@nv.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.com/2012/01/31/make-your-own-tubes

$20,000,000 in 1955
$500,000 in 1985
$29,000 now

And parts left for just 5,000 octal valves.

A couple more years and they will be paying us to take it away.

Anyone with more money than sense?

d

[Mike Rivers]

On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote:
> http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.com/2012/01/31/make-your-own-tubes

The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there
when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason
GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy
metals rules made it darn near impossible.


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[Scott Dorsey]

Mike Rivers <mri...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
>On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote:
>> http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.com/2012/01/31/make-your-own-tubes
>
>The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there
>when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason
>GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy
>metals rules made it darn near impossible.

I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor
manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even
in California.
--scott

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"Scott Dorsey" <klu...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:jghbmb$e7$1...@panix2.panix.com...

> Mike Rivers <mri...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
>>On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote:
>>> http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.com/2012/01/31/make-your-own-tubes
>>
>>The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there
>>when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason
>>GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy
>>metals rules made it darn near impossible.
>
> I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor
> manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even
> in California.

Yes, but they have a far larger market to pay for their pollution control
efforts.

[rrus...@hotmail.com]

On Feb 3, 1:31 pm, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@cocmast.net> wrote:
> "Scott Dorsey" <klu...@panix.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jghbmb$e7$1...@panix2.panix.com...
>

> > Mike Rivers  <mriv...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
> >>On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote:
> >>>http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.com/2012/01/31/make-your-own-tubes
>
> >>The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there
> >>when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason
> >>GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy
> >>metals rules made it darn near impossible.
>
> > I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor
> > manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even
> > in California.
>
> Yes, but they have a far larger market to pay for their pollution control
> efforts.

The overall demand for new tubes worldwide is sufficient to
manufacture them but not under US environmental law, especially in
California. However, almost all the people who would want to do so and
have the money live in California or in the Northeast. Intel and other
semiconductor companies have their fabs there for the benefit of the
executive staff-they make their most important and cutting edge stuff
close to the office. It gets disbursed worldwide as the new stuff
comes in to replace it.

Sooner or later California will go too far, but it might be later
rather than sooner. People will put up with a lot to be where fashion
and prestiege rule.

[Mike Rivers]

On 2/3/2012 2:14 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor
> manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even
> in California.

True, but they have more money than Groove Tubes. And now
that Groove Tubes is owned by Fender and Aspen is no longer
running the show, there's really no incentive to start up a
tube factory.

[Scott Dorsey]

Mike Rivers <mri...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
>On 2/3/2012 2:14 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor
>> manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even
>> in California.
>
>True, but they have more money than Groove Tubes. And now
>that Groove Tubes is owned by Fender and Aspen is no longer
>running the show, there's really no incentive to start up a
>tube factory.

I think that latter part has more to do with it than anything else.

[rrus...@hotmail.com]

On Feb 4, 5:02 pm, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

> Mike Rivers  <mriv...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2/3/2012 2:14 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
> >> I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor
> >> manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even
> >> in California.
>
> >True, but they have more money than Groove Tubes. And now
> >that Groove Tubes is owned by Fender and Aspen is no longer
> >running the show, there's really no incentive to start up a
> >tube factory.
>
> I think that latter part has more to do with it than anything else.
> --scott

Yes, fender is a marketing vs. manufacturing company now. If people
will pay such sums for their crappy guitars though, who can blame
them?

[Arny Krueger]

<rrus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 3, 1:31 pm, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@cocmast.net> wrote:
> "Scott Dorsey" <klu...@panix.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jghbmb$e7$1...@panix2.panix.com...
>
> > Mike Rivers <mriv...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
> >>On 2/3/2012 12:00 PM, hank alrich wrote:
> >>>http://prorecordingworkshop.lefora.com/2012/01/31/make-your-own-tubes
>
> >>The reason why Groove Tubes didn't start making tubes there
> >>when they bought the facilities was probably the same reason
> >>GE stopped making them - EPA toxic materials and heavy
> >>metals rules made it darn near impossible.
>
> > I can't imagine anything using more toxic stuff than semiconductor
> > manufacture, though, and Intel's got plenty of stuff going on, even
> > in California.
>
> Yes, but they have a far larger market to pay for their pollution control
> efforts.

> The overall demand for new tubes worldwide is sufficient to
> manufacture them but not under US environmental law, especially in
> California.

I can believe that!

> However, almost all the people who would want to do so and
> have the money live in California or in the Northeast.

Seems strange.

> Intel and other
> semiconductor companies have their fabs there for the benefit of the
> executive staff-they make their most important and cutting edge stuff
> close to the office. It gets disbursed worldwide as the new stuff
> comes in to replace it.

> Sooner or later California will go too far, but it might be later
> rather than sooner. People will put up with a lot to be where fashion
> and prestiege rule.

I've spent a fair amount of time in California, and it appears to me to be
an environmentally fragile place. In the Midwest we have tons of rain and
water to wash our mistakes away, and we still have serious problems. Remove
the rain and water, and its got to be a very hard row to hoe. Not so much
for the East coast, but there the population density is very high. Every
place you might want to squat is in someone else's back yard.

[Les Cargill]

Agriculture in California depends on massive infusions of water. When
Jimmy Carter tried to make them pay what they'd agreed to pay for the
water, he didn't get reelected for some reason...

> Not so much
> for the East coast, but there the population density is very high. Every
> place you might want to squat is in someone else's back yard.
>
>

Fly over New Jersey some time. It's mostly empty. Outside
of the NYC-DC megalopolis, there's a thin crust of humans gathered
around the water.

--
Les Cargill

[Arny Krueger]

"Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:jgrq1q$rpj$1...@dont-email.me...

>> Not so much
>> for the East coast, but there the population density is very high. Every
>> place you might want to squat is in someone else's back yard.

> Fly over New Jersey some time. It's mostly empty. Outside
> of the NYC-DC megalopolis, there's a thin crust of humans gathered around
> the water.

Don't have to do that much these days, as we have Google Earth and Google
Maps.

It is a matter of perspective. I see no part of NJ that is more than maybe 2
miles from a road. You can stretch that out to 5 miles or more in the UP of
Michigan. Then check say Nevada or western Ontario. Offhand, maybe 10-20
miles in places. In western Ontario north of Lake Superior once you cross
highway 11, there are no roads until you get to Russia which looks pretty
road free until you get close to China or Korea.