physical optical patchbay?
Scott Evans
patchbay that worked physically, i.e. you use optical cables up front
to patch things -- no computing involved. Sounds like a great idea to
me... a friend and I were just wondering why nobody makes one.
The Alesis guy thought they were made by Horizon, but I can't find any
such thing on their website. Anybody heard of or seen one of these?
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morrison
lightpipe/optical splitter they had in development went belly up. I could
use one, too. Seems simple enough.....
Kevin Morrison
Scott Evans wrote in message ...
Scott Evans
> Hello Scott......I actually contacted Horizon about this but the
> lightpipe/optical splitter they had in development went belly up.
Ah. Great.
Was it a splitter, or an actual patchbay? All I'd want is a very
simple patchbay. No normalling (since that would require splitting
the signal). It would be completely passive and yep, it seems pretty
simple.
For me, it would solve the issue of delay induced by running ADAT
cables through a digital soundcard -- just repatch to do track
bouncing. It would also make it possible to connect my ADATs,
my DAT deck, my CD player, and maybe even my MD player to a
1- or 2-input digi card. Pretty nice for such a simple concept.
DAn
optic networking, perhaps you should investigate products that are used by
the computer netwroking industry, I have seen fiber patch pannels
(networking patch bays) where you use fiber patch cables to connect Input A
to Input B, sounds more and more like a patch bay every second....
Hope this helps..
Dan
Scott Evans wrote in message ...
Murph
> At AES, an Alesis rep told me that he was sure he had seen an optical
> patchbay that worked physically, i.e. you use optical cables up front
> to patch things -- no computing involved. Sounds like a great idea to
> me... a friend and I were just wondering why nobody makes one.
>
> The Alesis guy thought they were made by Horizon, but I can't find any
> such thing on their website. Anybody heard of or seen one of these?
>
>
>
> --
> scott evans
> g...@antisleep.com
> http://www.antisleep.com
I posted that very question here a few months ago. I would love to find
something like that. A very simple device, conceptually at least. Would
make my life a lot less complicated!
Garthrr
tonew...@mindspring.com (Murph) writes:
>I posted that very question here a few months ago. I would love to find
>something like that. A very simple device, conceptually at least. Would
>make my life a lot less complicated!
Ditto for me. I just need to be able to choose between 2 optical cables and
I've spent about $700 on two boxes which were supposed to but will not do what
I want, at least in the 20 bit world.
Garth
"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney
peter
I believe fostex make an optical patchbay for not to much money, also
midiman have a digital patchbay, a little more expensive and I think it is
only coax...
I'm also looking for a digital patchbay, both optical and coax with
capability up to 24bit 96khz...but have not yet come across such a device.
Which were the ones you bought ?
Peter.
Garthrr <gar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Garthrr
writes:
>Hi garth,
>I believe fostex make an optical patchbay for not to much money, also
>midiman have a digital patchbay, a little more expensive and I think it is
>only coax...
>I'm also looking for a digital patchbay, both optical and coax with
>capability up to 24bit 96khz...but have not yet come across such a device.
>Which were the ones you bought ?
>
>Peter.
Hi Peter,
I bought the Midiman digipatch 12 by 6 and the Fostex both! I ended up using
the Midiman for other 16 bit stuff and it works great for that. The Fostex is
sitting around in the box. I'll probably find a use for it.
The problem with both units was that when trying to pass signal (even dithered
to 16 bits) from my Apogee Rosetta to my 20 bit adats there was always a
crackly noise present. Under no circumstances could I make it work properly.
Fostex finally admitted on the phone that their model would not work with the
20 bit adats.
The Midiman unit is cool and will accept optical and coax. It is programable
and holds a number of presets. The Fostex unit is ok too but is configured
differently and doesnt store any presets but its cheaper too.
I'm sure someone will see a need here and fill it.
Tor Magne Hallibakken
http://www.z-sys.com/
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Garthrr <gar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article
<tonewheels-29...@user-37kbamv.dialup.mindspring.com>,
> tonew...@mindspring.com (Murph) writes:
>
> >I posted that very question here a few months ago. I would love to find
> >something like that. A very simple device, conceptually at least. Would
> >make my life a lot less complicated!
>
> Ditto for me. I just need to be able to choose between 2 optical cables
and
> I've spent about $700 on two boxes which were supposed to but will not do
what
> I want, at least in the 20 bit world.
ord...@yahoo.com
Check out Black Box Summer 99 catalog, page 436, they have:
12 port SC (6 duplex) 1U patch bay (PN: JPM365A) $349.95
24 port SC (12 duplex) 1U patch bay (PN: JPM375A) $462.95
48 port SC (24 duplex) 2U patch bay (PN: JPM355A) $839.95
Note: SC is the connector used on ADAT lightpipe and SPDIF optical.
Simple, not inexpensive though, point to point optical patchbay. If you
don't like it, return it, Black Box has a very liberal return policy.
>I posted that very question here a few months ago. I would love to find
> >something like that. A very simple device, conceptually at least.
Would
> >make my life a lot less complicated!
>
> Ditto for me. I just need to be able to choose between 2 optical
cables and
> I've spent about $700 on two boxes which were supposed to but will
not do what
> I want, at least in the 20 bit world.
> Garth
-------------------
Mike Cook
Ordinary Management
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Before you buy.
Glenn Zelniker
> Hi garth,
> I believe fostex make an optical patchbay for not to much money, also
> midiman have a digital patchbay, a little more expensive and I think it is
> only coax...
> I'm also looking for a digital patchbay, both optical and coax with
> capability up to 24bit 96khz...but have not yet come across such a device.
> Which were the ones you bought ?
>
The Z-Systems Digital Detangler will do exactly what you want. AES/EBU,
coaxial, optical,... you name it. 24/96 is no problem, either. Have a look at
www.z-sys.com or call us at 352.371.0990.
Glenn @ Z-Systems
Scott Evans
> Check out Black Box Summer 99 catalog, page 436, they have:
Thanks, Mike. I've never heard of Black Box -- got any contact info?
ord...@yahoo.com
Their toll free order number is 877-877-2269 (BBOX), tech support/pre-
sales is 724-746-5500, and their web site is http://www.blackbox.com .
> Thanks, Mike. I've never heard of Black Box -- got any contact info?
-------------------
Dale Farmer
>
> Scott;
>
> Their toll free order number is 877-877-2269 (BBOX), tech support/pre-
> sales is 724-746-5500, and their web site is http://www.blackbox.com .
>
> > Thanks, Mike. I've never heard of Black Box -- got any contact info?
>
Warning; Black Box has a habit of charging a premium price. If
your need is not urgent, you can generally find the same product
available
for less money elsewhere. But they have everything in their catalog
in stock and will overnight it with no problems. Quality is generally
pretty high, and for some of the weird stuff, nobody else will have it.
They are very big in the computer field.
--Dale
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remove the antispam from the return address to E-mail me.
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>
> In article <uhfkg7...@antisleep.com>, Scott Evans <g...@antisleep.com> wrote:
>
> > At AES, an Alesis rep told me that he was sure he had seen an optical
> > patchbay that worked physically, i.e. you use optical cables up front
> > to patch things -- no computing involved. Sounds like a great idea to
> > me... a friend and I were just wondering why nobody makes one.
> >
> > The Alesis guy thought they were made by Horizon, but I can't find any
> > such thing on their website. Anybody heard of or seen one of these?
> >
We used one as part of the Interop show network a few years ago.
I think the company was Lanhopper, but my memory is vague. It had
something like 24 pairs of SC jacks, and sets of computer controlled
precision mirrors would reflect the light from any jack to any jack.
Very expensive, hundreds of kilobucks. I don't know if they are still
being made, and you can do the same thing with a panel full of fiber
connectors and a handful of two foot patch cables for a lot less money.
Look in the data communications catalogs. Cable Express and the like.
mystical
Are you certain the "SC" connector is the same as a Toslink connector.
I've tried to find this in writing but have had no luck.
thanks,
Steven Paglierani
Garth et all;
Check out Black Box Summer 99 catalog, page 436, they have:
12 port SC (6 duplex) 1U patch bay (PN: JPM365A) $349.95
Chris Notton
>
>
Sorry in advance if I have foot in mouth as I have just picked up this
thread. Why not just mount a few passive Toshiba couplers on a 1U panel?
I used to sell just such a product but sales were so underwhelming I
stopped making them. 10 x Toslink socket on a 1U. used to cost about £75
Pip pip
--
Chris Notton
}<////(*>
GabeHorn
patching problems and physically it did. Sonically though, I keep getting
drop outs and other weird artifacts. Lo and behold, fostex, at AES said
that, yeah, their is a problem with the DP8 and Adats. Still has me
bewildered that they would build something with the Adat protocol that won't
work with the Adats. At least they're gonna give me my money back.
til then,
Gabe
peter wrote in message <7svi81$hjo$1...@news0.skynet.be>...
>Hi garth,
>I believe fostex make an optical patchbay for not to much money, also
>midiman have a digital patchbay, a little more expensive and I think it is
>only coax...
>I'm also looking for a digital patchbay, both optical and coax with
>capability up to 24bit 96khz...but have not yet come across such a device.
>Which were the ones you bought ?
>
>Peter.
>
>Garthrr <gar...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:19990930071628...@ngol06.aol.com...
>> In article
><tonewheels-29...@user-37kbamv.dialup.mindspring.com>,
>> tonew...@mindspring.com (Murph) writes:
>>
>> >I posted that very question here a few months ago. I would love to find
>> >something like that. A very simple device, conceptually at least. Would
>> >make my life a lot less complicated!
>>
>> Ditto for me. I just need to be able to choose between 2 optical cables
>and
>> I've spent about $700 on two boxes which were supposed to but will not do
>what
>> I want, at least in the 20 bit world.
>> Garth
>>
>>
ord...@yahoo.com
If anyone sees it for less, please post to let us know. I was using
Black Box as an example (since they have a nice catalog).
> Warning; Black Box has a habit of charging a premium price. If
> your need is not urgent, you can generally find the same product
> available
> for less money elsewhere.
-------------------
Steve Roitstein
Rock solid. It just works.
Oh, use the shortest cables you can.
--
Steve Roitstein
Riot Music, Miami
st...@riotmusic.com
Glenn Zelniker
> I bought the fostex patch bay thinking it would solve all my digital
> patching problems and physically it did. Sonically though, I keep getting
> drop outs and other weird artifacts. Lo and behold, fostex, at AES said
> that, yeah, their is a problem with the DP8 and Adats. Still has me
> bewildered that they would build something with the Adat protocol that won't
> work with the Adats. At least they're gonna give me my money back.
I hate to keep chiming in with the same response every time, but we make exactly
what you're looking for here. The 8x8 or 16x16 Digital Detangler can be
equipped with optical inputs and outputs that can handle either good
old-fashioned S/PDIF optical or ADAT optical formats. We've been making these
things for years and they work just fine with ADATs -- no drop-outs or other
weird noises. Have a look at http://www.z-sys.com/pp_detm.html (or just go to
www.z-sys.com and navigate to the page).
BTW, the only reason such a box wouldn't work properly is poor understanding of
proper layout, grounding, and routing. At its core, the box need only receive
the optical signal, route/switch it, and re-transmit it. If it doesn't work,
chances are that so much noise/jitter has been accumulated during the trip
through the box that the device downstream can't even lock to the received
signal. I'll elaborate if anyone cares.
Glenn @ Z-Systems
peter
Would you also care to post prices per configuration ? I can't find any
price on your website.
Regards,
Peter.
Glenn Zelniker <gle...@z-sys.com> wrote in message
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Scott Evans
> Sorry in advance if I have foot in mouth as I have just picked up this
> thread. Why not just mount a few passive Toshiba couplers on a 1U panel?
> I used to sell just such a product but sales were so underwhelming I
> stopped making them. 10 x Toslink socket on a 1U.
ding! That's exactly what I meant to start with. Got any old stock
kicking around?
ord...@yahoo.com
Oops, sorry! I think a lot of people were confused because your product
description web page does not have the words "ADAT lightpipe" on it. I
know when I saw AES/EBU and SPDIF coaxial I thought that it ONLY
handled those, since there was no mention of the lightpipe.
> The 8x8 or 16x16 Digital Detangler can be
> equipped with optical inputs and outputs that can handle either good
> old-fashioned S/PDIF optical or ADAT optical formats. <snip>
Chris Notton
> ch...@keylight.prestel.co.uk (Chris Notton) writes:
> > Sorry in advance if I have foot in mouth as I have just picked up this
> > thread. Why not just mount a few passive Toshiba couplers on a 1U panel?
> > I used to sell just such a product but sales were so underwhelming I
> > stopped making them. 10 x Toslink socket on a 1U.
>
> ding! That's exactly what I meant to start with. Got any old stock
> kicking around?
>
>
Only got a couple left. As I said I don't really use 'em any more as I
mostly just make custom lengths of Toslink/Lightpipe cables for people
like Soundtracs. Just buy em from any Toshiba fibre-optic supplier. They
are called something like TOCA150 and used to cost about £2.50 or about
$4.--
Chris Notton
}<////(*>
gpg
DigiPatch 12X6
6 Coaxial Inputs and 6 Optical Inputs Routed to 6 Paired Coaxial and Optical
Outputs.
www.midiman.net
I saw it for $319. at http://www.zzounds.com/
morrison <ultr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Scott......I actually contacted Horizon about this but the
> lightpipe/optical splitter they had in development went belly up. I could
> use one, too. Seems simple enough.....
>
> Kevin Morrison
>
> Scott Evans wrote in message ...
> >At AES, an Alesis rep told me that he was sure he had seen an optical
> >patchbay that worked physically, i.e. you use optical cables up front
> >to patch things -- no computing involved. Sounds like a great idea to
> >me... a friend and I were just wondering why nobody makes one.
> >
> >The Alesis guy thought they were made by Horizon, but I can't find any
> >such thing on their website. Anybody heard of or seen one of these?
> >
> >
> >
ord...@yahoo.com
Problem not solved, the DigiPatch doesn't route lightpipe data. For
Toslink / SP/DIF stuff I'm sure it's fine. The original question was
with regards to ADATs (lightpipe) data.
> Problem solved!
>
> DigiPatch 12X6
>
> 6 Coaxial Inputs and 6 Optical Inputs Routed to 6 Paired Coaxial and
Optical
> Outputs.
>
> www.midiman.net
> I saw it for $319. at http://www.zzounds.com/
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ord...@yahoo.com
DAn
inexpensive format converters exist? Would having a "real" patch bay work?
Im thinking that it should be realtivly inexpensive and simple to build a
fiber optic patch bay where you actualy connect any two fiber ports with a
fiber patch cable. No automation, no conversion, just physical connections
(in this case the media being fiber) Fiber St conectors are inexpensive,
and glass fiber is cheap, a piece of aluminium drilled to fit the st
conectors is cheaper yet...
How much would you pay for something like this.... $100. $200... obviously
not much more than that..
The unknown to me is the "standard" fiber interface for audio equipment...
does anyone know where I can find out more about the actual fiber connectors
used in audio equipment?
Thanks
Dan
gpg wrote in message ...
>Problem solved!
>
>DigiPatch 12X6
>
>6 Coaxial Inputs and 6 Optical Inputs Routed to 6 Paired Coaxial and
Optical
>Outputs.
>
>www.midiman.net
>I saw it for $319. at http://www.zzounds.com/
>
>
>
Bob Smith
>
> GRP;
>
> Problem not solved, the DigiPatch doesn't route lightpipe data. For
> Toslink / SP/DIF stuff I'm sure it's fine. The original question was
> with regards to ADATs (lightpipe) data.
>
Gosh, that's news to me. I route ADAT lightpipe with the DigiPatch
between a Yamaha 03d with the CD8-AT interface, a Frontier Designs
Wavecenter for the PC and a DA-38 with the IF-TAD interface. I have been
sending 8 channels bidirectionally and simultaneously via this router
for about a year now. No one told me it doesn't work. All those
transfers and mixes must have been my imagination. Who woulda thunk.
bobs
Amateur Recordist
--
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rsm...@bsstudios.com
http://www.bsstudios.com
Chris Kress
transmission. It didn't work with my 02R or my Apogees. Call their tech
support. Keep looking for the physical type, and let me know if you find
it. I saw one before from Full Comapss. I called them and they did not
have access to it.
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Chris Notton
> Im thinking of an idea... do you NEED coxial to Optical conversion? Do
> inexpensive format converters exist? Would having a "real" patch bay work?
> Im thinking that it should be realtivly inexpensive and simple to build a
> fiber optic patch bay where you actualy connect any two fiber ports with a
> fiber patch cable. No automation, no conversion, just physical connections
> (in this case the media being fiber) Fiber St conectors are inexpensive,
> and glass fiber is cheap, a piece of aluminium drilled to fit the st
> conectors is cheaper yet...
>
> How much would you pay for something like this.... $100. $200... obviously
It is simple, just buy some Toshiba couplers, mount them on a panel, snap
your Toslinks in the back, use short Toslink patch-cords to join them up
round the front, Hey presto. I used to make one, sold 30 in two years,
gave up!
I have tried splitting/paralleling a Toslink by shaving the fibre to fit
two fibres in one plug. It does work but it is too much of a pain-in-the-
ass to produce commercially
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}<////(*>
Julian Standen
Found it !! Studiospares (UK) 10 way optical patch, connect on front, routes
out via back (?)
Jules
mystical
Steven Paglierani
Blind Joni
Can someone post the website here.
John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Albany, NY
"Survivor of the Slums"
Chris Notton
> Got a URL or number for these guys?
>
> Steven Paglierani
>
> Julian Standen wrote:
> >
> > I've seen one somewhere lets keep in touch...
> >
> > Found it !! Studiospares (UK) 10 way optical patch, connect on front, routes
> > out via back (?)
--
Chris Notton
}<////(*>
Mike Rivers
> >Studiospares (UK)
>
> Can someone post the website here.
I think your boot is full of piss. Please turn it upside down and
read the instructions for removing that piss. They are printed on the
heel.
Whenever I think about asking a question like yours, I first try
putting www. in front of the company name in question and .com after
it, and plugging that into my web browser. It works most of the time,
including this time.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mri...@d-and-d.com)
Chris Notton
blin...@aol.com says...
> >Studiospares (UK)
>
> Can someone post the website here.
>
> SOS Recording Studio
> Albany, NY
> "Survivor of the Slums"
>
Send an Email to James he is the guy who deals with the fibre-optic
stuff.
--
Chris Notton
}<////(*>
Julian Standen
Julian Standen
I think I found a studio by the way Chris
Jules