josephson c42 as rock drum overheads?

chetatkinsdiet

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Jan 20, 2004, 11:15:23 PM1/20/04

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Anyone...sorry to repost about the c42...I tried to hijack the last
thread that was primarily talking about acoustic guitar. If anyone
has any experience or thoughts on this compared to say 184's or 451's,
jump on in...
later,
m

David Josephson

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Jan 22, 2004, 2:56:12 AM1/22/04

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The C42 was intended for more distant pickups than close-up. I think
that the flatttering comparisons people have made with respect to the
KM84 might be due to the C42's excellent off-axis response tracking,
which is what we were aiming for. It is definitely a brighter sound
than the KM84, particularly close-up, and might be too bright for
some people. EQ helps. But really we were intending it for more distant
pickups like ensemble work, overall stereo pickups, drum overheads, etc.
and in this application the slight HF boost on-axis makes the whole
stereo picture sound more balanced.

--
Josephson Engineering / Santa Cruz CA / www.josephson.com

chetatkinsdiet

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Jan 22, 2004, 9:33:43 AM1/22/04

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Thanks David...that sounds about right....a little brighter than the
KM84's, but not so bright as the 184's. I'm not interested in close
micing situations, mainly just for drum overheads and the like. The
more I hear about them, the more I think they are just what I'm
looking for.
Thanks again,
m

Garthrr

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Jan 22, 2004, 10:14:13 AM1/22/04

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In article <de2778.040122...@posting.google.com>,
mwood5...@yahoo.com (chetatkinsdiet) writes:

If you try thm out in that app I would love to hear what you think of em.

Garth~

"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

Stephen Boyke

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Jan 22, 2004, 11:12:07 AM1/22/04

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in article de2778.040122...@posting.google.com, chetatkinsdiet at
mwood5...@yahoo.com wrote on 1/22/04 6:33 AM:

I would say the C42s are brighter than the KM184s, particularly in a
close mic setting (18" to 2').
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Stephen Boyke

A. & G. Reiswig

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Jan 22, 2004, 11:27:13 AM1/22/04

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I just A/B'd some C42s against KM-184s, along with my good friend Alan
Whiteside. He also described the Neumanns as brighter, which surprised the
heck out of me. What I heard was that the C42s had more "air" and "sizzle,"
two words which I tend to equate with brightness. The mids sounded somewhat
scooped by comparison with the Nuemanns (to me). All of this was with the
mics in the same location close micing an acoustic guitar.

Oops...I think we're hijacking BACK the thread. Sorry: no comment on the
drum OH application.

Regards,

George Reiswig
Song of the River Music

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Tim Terral

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Jan 22, 2004, 1:24:17 PM1/22/04

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Hey David,

I have a C42 that I am getting ready to try out for our next project,
which is an acoustic/bluegrass/folk album. I usually close mic my
guitar (12-14th fret, 6-8" out with mic aimed toward sound hole). I
realize that experimentation will ultimately tell the story, but are
you suggesting trying the mic further out may give better results? I
stereo mic and have tried my Soundelux U195 at about 18" out in front
of the guitar with my other SD mic close miced.

Thanks.
Tim T

chetatkinsdiet

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Jan 22, 2004, 8:33:59 PM1/22/04

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haha...don't mind a bit, I just wanted to hear about other
applications other than acoustic guitar. Keep em coming...
It's just really funny to me that there are so many variations on what
people are hearing with these mics. Some say brighter than 184's,
some say not so much. Another says brighter when closer. Wow....it
really kind of makes you think that since we all hear EVERYTHING so
differently, how can we ever trust another person's aural evaluation
of any piece of gear? I guess we can just read specs and freq
charts...they NEVER lie.....
later,
m

A. & G. Reiswig

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Jan 23, 2004, 12:14:54 AM1/23/04

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That was pretty much my point, not well-made. It's either that we hear
things differently or our words in describing what we hear are different.

When I say "bright," I think a bump between maybe 4kHz and 8kHz. Someone
else might think bright applies to something around 2kHz. Big difference.

George Reiswig
Song of the River Music

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Joshua David

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Jan 23, 2004, 2:34:06 PM1/23/04

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hi there,
i have a pair of josephson c42's that are my primary drum overhead mic
pair. they replaced a pair of neumann km-184's, which i felt were much
"harsher", the josephsons are more "airy" to my ears and maybe a bit
more "focused" and (for lack of a better term) more 3d (depth and
clarity). i felt it was a huge upgrade from the 184's. although, as
usual, ymmv.
i also used the josephsons on the top and bottom of a djembe track
last week and was very pleased with the results.
i find that they are very useful mics on..
drum overheads,
acoustic guitar ( sometimes combined with a t.h.e. kp-6m),
snare ( combined with a beyer 201 or shure sm57),
toms,
percussion (congas and djembe come to mind).
and other acoustic instruments (depending on what you're after).
i hope this helps...
good luck,
joshua
p.s. you could give mercenary a call, and try them out... if you hate
them, they'll take 'em back (although, i doubt you'll hate 'em).

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