Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
From: "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:27:42 -0400
Local: Tues, Aug 10 2004 10:27 am
Subject: Re: Jitter- how low is enough?
news:cfaj3n$e18$1@news5.jaring.my
> Hi, Three words: AES preprint 4826. > Need some opinion on Jitter. More specifically: AES Preprint 4826 discusses this on page 23. It says that the threshold of However, at 4 kHz, the distortion products from 100 nanoseconds of jitter IOW, the distortion products from 4 KHz and 100 ns of jitter are about the We can see that the perceptiion of jitter is approximately controlled by the Extrapolating this to lower frequencies suggests that at 20 Hz, 20,000 ns (2 We can conclude that the worst case is for musical content at 20 KHz, and at > LCaudio XO3 jitter is around 5ppm. The natural basis for a jitter spec in ppm is the clock period, If the clock frequency is 44 KHz, then the natural basis for a ppm-based spec is about 22 microseconds. 5 times 10 to the minus 6, times 22 times 10 to the minus 6 is 110 times 10 to the minus twelfth. In 1/1000's the sequence goes seconds, milliseconds, microseconds, nanoseconds, picoseconds. 5 ppm at 44 KHz is something like 110 picoseconds (ps). > I am not sure if that is the same as 5ps. Calculations equate that with approximately 110 picseconds (ps). > My DAC's jitter, as per Stereophile is around 174ps. Per AES preprint 4826, the audibility of jitter varies with the frequency of the signal being modulated by the jitter. But, their audibility figures are given in nanoseconds which are 1000 times greater than picoseconds. The paper suggests strongly that the ear is most sensitive to jitter as applied to 20 KHz signals. At this point the threshold of audiblity is about 20,000 ps which is far less than 110 ps. IOW, 110 ps jitter is nit. > The sound heard thru the player is inferior as compared to hearing Let's look at this situation critically. > via the DAC. However, the sound heard thru DIP (Reclocking and jitter > reducer) then to the DAC is much better than without the DIP. > The question is, > If the DAC jitter is already around 174ps how could an external > reclocking device (DIP) reduce that? My statement of the situation: A sighted, non-time-synched, non-level-matched listening *test* wth no Somehow, the conclusion is reached that *any* and *all* perceived What's wrong with this picture, logically-speaking? With all due respect I'd say, just about everything is wrong with this > Moreover the transport clock's jitter is around 5ps unless others With all due respect I'd say that the listening tests described have about > component add up the jitter such as the cable. > Can any shed some light, pls. 6 times more uncontrolled variables than it would take to make assigning any technical cause to its outcome a pure and pristine, nearly science-free wild-ass guess. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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