for the attn. of arny krueger, bill watkins and others
tony loban
marc phillips, michael gindi, some whack job in the u.k. and a waiter
in tennessee?
Arny Krueger
At least two whack jobs in the UK because AFAIK Bamborough still
maintains a residence there. Zelniker is also known to be a real
person.
Also some possibility that the ghost of Ed Shane is pulling strings,
somewhere in the background.
Paul B
> tony loban wrote:
>> do you think it possible that the entire 'resistance' is composed
>> of marc phillips, michael gindi, some whack job in the u.k. and a
>> waiter in tennessee?
> At least two whack jobs in the UK because AFAIK Bamborough still
> maintains a residence there. Zelniker is also known to be a real
> person.
Why are you dragging me and Glenn into this? We're not part of any 'resistance'.
I know you're angry at me for showing-up your latest lies, but there's absolutely no
point in making even more of a fool of yourself.
p
George M. Middius
Paul B said to Shit-for-Brains:
> Why are you dragging me and Glenn into this? We're not part of any 'resistance'.
I will confirm that statement. The most likely reason Mr. Shit
made this claim is that in the tortured confines of what's left of
his "mind," everybody who tells the truth about him is one of my
"acolytes." And if you're my "acolyte," naturally you're a member
of the Resistance.
BTW, the Resistance formally disbanded two years ago, after it
became clear the battle to expose Turdy for what he is had been
won. Most of the credit for that victory goes to Paul Bamborough,
John Atkinson, and Glenn Zelniker, none of whom ever purported to
belong to the Resistance.
It just goes to show that even if you treat Krooger with
undeserved courtesy and unwarranted politeness, you end up
receiving the same disgusting behavior as those of us who lay it
all out in the plainest possible language.
Anon E Mouse
Perspicace.
--
Anon E. Mouse
J Borg, Jr.
This is all in your peeble mind foolish one. Aint you concern about the
whereabouts of Twotsky? How long are ya gonna conceal your sexual
love for him? Are you and Doofus getting it on behind his back?
Shame on you.
J Borg, Jr.
Arny Krueger
"Paul B" <sp...@bamborough.com> wrote in message
news:agihkj$q7i$4...@helle.btinternet.com...
> "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote...
> > tony loban wrote:
> >> do you think it possible that the entire 'resistance' is
composed
> >> of marc phillips, michael gindi, some whack job in the u.k. and
a
> >> waiter in tennessee?
>
> > At least two whack jobs in the UK because AFAIK Bamborough still
> > maintains a residence there. Zelniker is also known to be a real
> > person.
>
> Why are you dragging me and Glenn into this? We're not part of
any 'resistance'.
Sure you are Mr. Bambough, the two of you have allied yourself with
Middius.
> I know you're angry at me for showing-up your latest lies, but
there's absolutely no
> point in making even more of a fool of yourself.
Don't confuse my pity for you with anger at you, Mr. Bamborough.
Bill Watkins
ar...@hotpop.com says...
I have reason per private email to believe Ed Shane has
been here all along.
Bill W.
Arny Krueger
"Bill Watkins" <so...@toomuch.spam.com> wrote in message
news:uipqlgi...@news.supernews.com...
Ed Shain is likely the one person on earth who has spent more
out-of-pocket cash than anybody else, to hurt me. I suspect that
should Middius ever think a non-maximally-hateful thought about me in
Ed's presence, Ed would be sure to do everything he could to put an
end to it. That's if Middius isn't one of Ed's sockpuppets.
Ed's so screwed up that the best revenge is just to let him live his
life in peace. He can do worse things to himself than I could ever
think up.
Ed said that he lurked here long before he first posted, so no reason
for him not to do the same thing after the fact.
Tom
>
> Sure you are Mr. Bambough, the two of you have allied yourself with
> Middius.
>
Arny - why do you do this? There is no one that agrees with you.
There is no one that supports you. You say stuff that you may or
may not believe. If you do believe it, you're the only one. What's
the point? What could your point possibly be? What do you hope to
accomplish? Do you have a reason for engaging in this silliness?
You're exactly like Greg Singh in this regard.
Do you think anyone thinks you win any debates against JA, PB or GZ?
Do YOU think you win the debates? It's just mindboggling that you
continue to engage these men for no apparent reason. Why not let
it go and stick to what you know. You could actually be a real
positive presence here. But these pointless debates are a waste.
There. I think that ought to do it.
Tom
>
> Perspicace.
Hey - good to hear from you Igon.
George M. Middius
Gummy said to Shit-for-Brains:
> Arny - why do you do this? There is no one that agrees with you.
> There is no one that supports you. You say stuff that you may or
> may not believe. If you do believe it, you're the only one. What's
> the point? What could your point possibly be? What do you hope to
> accomplish? Do you have a reason for engaging in this silliness?
> You're exactly like Greg Singh in this regard.
>
> Do you think anyone thinks you win any debates against JA, PB or GZ?
> Do YOU think you win the debates? It's just mindboggling that you
> continue to engage these men for no apparent reason. Why not let
> it go and stick to what you know. You could actually be a real
> positive presence here. But these pointless debates are a waste.
> There. I think that ought to do it.
I doubt it. I predict the most you'll get is something like this:
"Mr. Tom if thats your real name, its like you don't know who
really, pays the bills around here. ;-) Tom Mr. Tom would you like
to tell us what kind of computer you have to go with your "high end"
audio system? How many equalizers do you have? Its not about debate
with those guys. Its like I am bursting their bubble. Mr. Bamberry
is one of those old fashioned people who do their praying in their
living room and their serious listening in church. ;-)"
You might also get labeled as one of my "acolytes," but typically
Shit-for-Brains holds onto that one until the chickens have come
home to roost.
BTW, while we're on the subject of counting hands, your implication
that Krooger is less vile than Singh (or anyone else) puts you in a
very small minority.
Leon North
Here's hoping you have your snot proofing in place. That was a laudable
effort but, as history shows, it won't produce any positive results.
"Arny" suffers from an incurable cranial feces bloom. Nice try, though.
LN
Tom
>
> BTW, while we're on the subject of counting hands, your implication
> that Krooger is less vile than Singh (or anyone else) puts you in a
> very small minority.
That's your opinion. You go ahead and call for hands.
I think Arny is a whacko that likes to pull strings and push buttons.
He makes people mad. He doesn't hurt people.
I'm not so sure you aren't genuinely obsessed with him.
Arny Krueger
"Tom" <t...@spamthis.asshole> wrote in message
news:3D2D0D3C...@spamthis.asshole...
> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >
> > Sure you are Mr. Bamborough, the two of you have allied yourself
with
> > Middius.
> >
> > Don't confuse my pity for you with anger at you, Mr. Bamborough.
> Arny - why do you do this? There is no one that agrees with you.
OK Tom, you are blind.
> There is no one that supports you.
Prove it, Tom.
>You say stuff that you may or may not believe.
Tom, who elected you the judge of all?
> If you do believe it, you're the only one.
Prove it, Tom.
>What's the point?
The point Tom would be obvious to you if you weren't so biased.
>What could your point possibly be?
Bamborough's Usenet life is composed of attacks on me.
> What do you hope to accomplish?
Defend myself.
>Do you have a reason for engaging in this silliness?
When I'm so inclined, I defend myself against Bamborough's silly
attacks.
> You're exactly like Greg Singh in this regard.
You've got the shoe on the wrong foot, Tom. Bamborough doesn't HAVE
to obsess over me. He wouldn't have to attack me. Perhaps we could
even get along. But Bamborough came into RAO with a chip on his
shoulder, and I've knocked it of a time or three.
> Do you think anyone thinks you win any debates against JA, PB or
GZ?
Tom, most of what I write technically is way over your head. Besides
Tom, you hate my guts and always have. Since you are nothing like an
objective judge, do you think I worry for one moment about trying to
please you?
> Do YOU think you win the debates?
Of course. At the fact that people who hate me like you and
Bamborough, Tom make up lies and attack me and obsess over me shows
that in fact I'm accomplishing something that you don't like.
>It's just mindboggling that you
> continue to engage these men for no apparent reason.
It's mindboggling to me to think how Bamborough obsesses over me.
>Why not let it go and stick to what you know.
Tom, I do stick to what I know, and one thing I know is that you are
basically pretty technically clueless, and a lot of what I say shoots
way over your head.
>You could actually be a real positive presence here.
Tom, I am a real positive presence here. You are just to biased and
ignorant to correctly perceive it. My positive presence here is one
major reason that Bamborough, Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me. They
are jealous of my mind and they are all too frightened to take me on
technically.
> But these pointless debates are a waste.
Sure, and Zelniker, Bamborough and Atkinson always try to turn from
technical issues to personal attacks because they know that they
don't stand a chance.
> There. I think that ought to do it.
All it shows Tom, is how biased and ignorant you are. Thanks for
sharing...
;-)
Don Pearce
wrote:
>> There is no one that supports you.
>
>Prove it, Tom.
Anyone who supports Krueger in this matter, please sign below
..............................................................
.............................................................
.............................................................
............................................................
OK, proof here soon.
_____________________________
Telecommunications consultant
http://www.pearce.uk.com
Arny Krueger
"Tom" <t...@spamthis.asshole> wrote in message
> "George M. Middius" wrote:
> > BTW, while we're on the subject of counting hands, your
implication
> > that Krooger is less vile than Singh (or anyone else) puts you in
a
> > very small minority.
> That's your opinion. You go ahead and call for hands.
> I think Arny is a whacko that likes to pull strings and push
buttons.
I think that Tom is very judgmental and likes to attract attention to
himself by pulling my strings and pushing my buttons.
> He makes people mad.
The truth can hurt people who are liars or live lives full of silly
illusions.
> He doesn't hurt people.
Compared to Middius, I'm a pretty nice guy.
> I'm not so sure you aren't genuinely obsessed with him.
He surely is, but you've got a little thing of your own going, Tom.
Arny Krueger
"M S i g n a l . . . . ." <sig...@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:gihqiuod1s2r3te26...@4ax.com...
> "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote:
>
> >Also some possibility that the ghost of Ed Shane is pulling
strings,
> >somewhere in the background.
>
ghosts.
> They are just folklore, Arnold, ghosts don't exist. Even if they
did,
> Ed is alive and well.
Alive yes, but with the demons that drive him, I'd hardly say well.
> BTW.. do you hear voices in your head?
Only when I listen with headphones...
;-)
Yustabe Slim
"Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:xj6X8.1790$Qp3.60...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Ed Shain is likely the one person on earth who has spent more
> out-of-pocket cash than anybody else, to hurt me. I suspect that
> should Middius ever think a non-maximally-hateful thought about me
in
> Ed's presence, Ed would be sure to do everything he could to put an
> end to it. That's if Middius isn't one of Ed's sockpuppets.
>
> Ed's so screwed up that the best revenge is just to let him live his
> life in peace. He can do worse things to himself than I could ever
> think up.
>
> Ed said that he lurked here long before he first posted, so no
reason
> for him not to do the same thing after the fact.
>
>
Even paranoid people have real enemies.
The problem is figuring out which ones are real and which ones are
not.
Arny Krueger
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:04:02 GMT, "Arny Krueger"
> <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote:
>
>>> There is no one that supports you.
>>
>> Prove it, Tom.
>
> Anyone who supports Krueger in this matter, please sign below
It's really sad that Mr. Pearce is one of the better people around
here.
trotsky
Tom wrote:
>
> "George M. Middius" wrote:
> >
> > BTW, while we're on the subject of counting hands, your implication
> > that Krooger is less vile than Singh (or anyone else) puts you in a
> > very small minority.
>
> That's your opinion. You go ahead and call for hands.
> I think Arny is a whacko that likes to pull strings and push buttons.
> He makes people mad.
Wow, it took you three years to get here, Tommy. Baby steps!
He doesn't hurt people.
Not if you realize how much of a shithead he is. He sure as fuck ain't
no Christian.
> I'm not so sure you aren't genuinely obsessed with him.
No comment.
George M. Middius
Gummy said:
> > BTW, while we're on the subject of counting hands, your implication
> > that Krooger is less vile than Singh (or anyone else) puts you in a
> > very small minority.
> That's your opinion. You go ahead and call for hands.
> I think Arny is a whacko that likes to pull strings and push buttons.
> He makes people mad. He doesn't hurt people.
Uh-huh. And Greg is ..... what? Something radically different,
markedly more malevolent? It's all just words on Usenet.
Come to think of it, only Bwian McFarty has had any effect on people
in real life. He got Phoebe in trouble at work and he got at least
one person bounced from an ISP. He probably tried that particular
dirty trick with scads of people -- I know he tried it on me. Since
you're so desperate for a point of comparison that makes Krooger
look less vile, why don't you use Lyin' Bwian instead of Singh?
trotsky
Smurfies' basic lack of intelligence springs to mind.
Don Pearce
So that's nobody, then. OK, Tom, you have your proof.
d
George M. Middius
> >>> There is no one that supports you.
> >>Prove it, Tom.
> >Anyone who supports Krueger in this matter, please sign below
> >..............................................................
> >.............................................................
> >.............................................................
> >............................................................
> So that's nobody, then. OK, Tom, you have your proof.
Not necessarily. You have to wait until nightfall to see whether
slimy toony lobro will show himself.
Tom
> >You say stuff that you may or may not believe.
Arny Krueger responds:
>
> Tom, who elected you the judge of all?
Arny - do you see that it is absolutely impossible
to refute that statement? It cannot be false.
> >What's the point?
>
> The point Tom would be obvious to you if you weren't so biased.
I'm one of the few people that thinks you're only misguided.
Most of your detractors think you're vile and insane. Perhaps
someone that isn't "biased" will come forward and help us all
understand what your point is. Anyone? (BTW - who would that
be, Arn?)
> Tom, most of what I write technically is way over your head.
Like when you said, "The minimum voltage that you drop across a
regulator has to be a positive number!"
> ..Besides Tom, you hate my guts and always have.
That's an incorrect statement Arny. I'm trying to be helpful.
But I know in fact that it's a futile effort.
> > Do YOU think you win the debates?
>
> Of course. At the fact that people who hate me like you and
> Bamborough, Tom make up lies....
Please provide a reference to one lie.
> Tom, I do stick to what I know, and one thing I know is that you are
> basically pretty technically clueless.
At least I know that a negative voltage regulator drops negative
voltage.
> >You could actually be a real positive presence here.
>
> Tom, I am a real positive presence here. You are just to biased and
> ignorant to correctly perceive it.
I guess that you are the only one not so biased.
> My positive presence here is one
> major reason that Bamborough, Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me. They
> are jealous of my mind and they are all too frightened to take me on
> technically.
That's funny. Good one.
> > There. I think that ought to do it.
>
> All it shows Tom, is how biased and ignorant you are. Thanks for
> sharing...
It was humor, Arn. I guess you're too intelligent to get it.
Arny Krueger
"Don Pearce" <dona...@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
news:gt6riu4nfk3kaee73...@4ax.com...
> So that's nobody, then. OK, Tom, you have your proof.
Yeah sure, Mr. Pearce.
Why not try something even more hateful and phony?
Glenn Zelniker
[snip]
> Tom, I am a real positive presence here. You are just to biased and
> ignorant to correctly perceive it. My positive presence here is one
> major reason that Bamborough, Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me. They
> are jealous of my mind and they are all too frightened to take me on
> technically.
[snip]
Arny Krueger
> > "Tom" <t...@spamthis.asshole> wrote
> > >You say stuff that you may or may not believe.
> Arny Krueger responds:
> > Tom, who elected you the judge of all?
> Arny - do you see that it is absolutely impossible
> to refute that statement? It cannot be false.
Like so much of what you post "Tom" at its core it is a trivial
observation. In general people write a mixture of facts, opinions
and speculation. So what?
> > >What's the point?
> > The point Tom would be obvious to you if you weren't so biased.
> I'm one of the few people that thinks you're only misguided.
No Tom you are yet another know-nothing who thinks he knows
something. I'm trying to figure out what I did to unleash this great
snotstorm from you on this fine day. Care to share? Or would that
take more introspection than you can possibly muster?
> Most of your detractors think you're vile and insane.
That's how their minds work. Tom, why can't you tell the whole
story - that many of my detractors are vile and often do some pretty
insane things?
> Perhaps someone that isn't "biased" will come forward and help us
all
> understand what your point is. Anyone? (BTW - who would that
> be, Arn?)
Well Tom since you seem to think that you understand it *all* Tom,
why not explain to me how these people are advancing truth by lying?
They lie first foremost about who they are. They lie about my wife.
They lie about the circumstances of my son's death. They lie about my
beliefs. They lie about what they've written and they lie about what
I've written. They lie about my sex life. They lie about my wife's
sex life. I guess that counts as typical, sane behavior in your book,
eh Tom?
> > Tom, most of what I write technically is way over your head.
> Like when you said, "The minimum voltage that you drop across a
> regulator has to be a positive number!"
So what's your problem? It was true in the context it was said, which
was a discussion of a power supply whose output was a positive
voltage.
> > ..Besides Tom, you hate my guts and always have.
> That's an incorrect statement Arny.
Tom, you've always acted like you hate my guts and when people
accused you of hating me you didn't correct them.
>I'm trying to be helpful.
Tom, you are trying be helpful to people who want to destroy me. You
are trying to help people who want me to die.
Now in your twisted little mind that may be *helpful* but it begs the
question: "Helpful to who?" I know the answer - helpful to people who
want to destroy me and helpful to people who want me to die. By
implication Tom, you want to destroy me and you want me to die. OK,
so be it. Stand over there with Middius and/or Shane and/or Gindi.
You guys look good together!
;-)
> But I know in fact that it's a futile effort.
Which substantiates my belief that being helpful to me is not your
true goal, Tom. Your true goal is to help the people who want to
destroy me, and to help the people who simply say they want me to
die. You want me to hurt, so you will say just about anything in a
vain attempt to embarrass and humiliate me. OK, I can handle that.
Zippie hated me and wanted me to die. Derrida hated me and wanted me
to die. Middius hates me and wants me to die. Dormer hates me and
wants me to die. The list goes on, the beat goes on. What's new but
the names?
> > > Do YOU think you win the debates?
> > Of course. At the fact that people who hate me like you and
> > Bamborough, Tom make up lies....
> Please provide a reference to one lie.
Not worth my effort, Tom because of the fact that you have already
whitewashed so much garbage. You are one of the great unwashed that
the Bamboroughs and Atkinsons of the world entertain themselves by
misleading.
> > Tom, I do stick to what I know, and one thing I know is that you
are
> > basically pretty technically clueless.
> At least I know that a negative voltage regulator drops negative
voltage.
Of course Tom, and you think I don't? Would that have been a helpful
thing to bring up at that point in the discussion that you are
referencing? Would it clarified things more had I said that the sign
of the voltage dropped across a series regulator is the same as the
sign of its output?
How many regulated power supplies have you designed and built Tom?
How many produced negative voltages? I've built dozens, some of which
are still in daily operation. One of my negative regulated power
supply designs was even been published in an electronics magazine.
What's your point Tom? That you can pick irrelevant nits? That you
don't respect context?
> > >You could actually be a real positive presence here.
> > Tom, I am a real positive presence here. You are just to biased
and
> > ignorant to correctly perceive it.
> I guess that you are the only one not so biased.
Not at all. Some times it seems like there are only a few of us that
are trying to pull the discussion around here back to audio.
> > My positive presence here is one
> > major reason that Bamborough, Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me.
They
> > are jealous of my mind and they are all too frightened to take me
on
> > technically.
> That's funny. Good one.
Its not funny at all, Tom. When is the last time Atkinson, Bamborough
or Zelniker did anything helpful? Why is it that such a high
percentage of their postings are personal attacks against just one
person. Why are they so obsessed with me? Why is it that Zelniker is
supposed to be such an expert, but he can't bring himself to post
anything about audio?
> > > There. I think that ought to do it.
> > All it shows Tom, is how biased and ignorant you are. Thanks for
> > sharing...
> It was humor, Arn.
That's the way it is with you children. If someone criticizes what
you say, then it was a joke.
> I guess you're too intelligent to get it.
I guess I see through you too well, Tom. Why don't you share again
when you grow up and/or grow a brain? If you see some class offerings
related to critical thinking, please sign up!
Arny Krueger
"Glenn Zelniker" <gle...@z-sys.com> wrote in message
news:3D2DA23E...@z-sys.com...
> Arny Krueger wrote:
> [snip]
So Glenn, other than providing evidence that supports my point,
what's your point?
John Atkinson
> My positive presence here is one major reason that Bamborough,
> Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me. They are jealous of my mind and
> they are all too frightened to take me on technically.
Mr. Krueger!!! :-)
This one ranks up there with the witticism you cracked a week ago:
Arny Krueger (ar...@hotpop.com)wrote in the thread "Re: Attn: ScottW,
Joe D, Tom Nousaine, Howard, Surf, Paul Wagner, bfeng, et. al." on
2002-07-03 at 11:16:04 PST:
> Zelniker's got lots of problem with me. One of them is that he is
> so awed by my diverse technical background that he is totally
> chicken-scratch petrified of actually debating me on an audio topic.
That one had me choking!
Thanks for the comic relief.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Arny Krueger
> "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:<CCdX8.1794$8Y1.86...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
>> My positive presence here is one major reason that Bamborough,
>> Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me. They are jealous of my mind and
>> they are all too frightened to take me on technically.
>
> ROFL. Oh my aching sides. And they say you have no sense of humor,
> Mr. Krueger!!! :-)
Now you wouldn't be sarcastic or deceptive would you now, Mr.
Atkinson?
> This one ranks up there with the witticism you cracked a week ago:
> Arny Krueger (ar...@hotpop.com)wrote in the thread "Re: Attn:
ScottW,
> Joe D, Tom Nousaine, Howard, Surf, Paul Wagner, bfeng, et. al." on
> 2002-07-03 at 11:16:04 PST:
>> Zelniker's got lots of problem with me. One of them is that he is
>> so awed by my diverse technical background that he is totally
>> chicken-scratch petrified of actually debating me on an audio
>> topic.
> That one had me choking!
Too bad I can't come up with something that would have you thinking,
Mr. Atkinson. I don't think that such a thing exists.
> Thanks for the comic relief.
Thanks for the snot attack, little john!
;-)
Glenn Zelniker
> John Atkinson wrote:
> > "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> > news:<CCdX8.1794$8Y1.86...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
> >> My positive presence here is one major reason that Bamborough,
> >> Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me. They are jealous of my mind and
> >> they are all too frightened to take me on technically.
> >
> > ROFL. Oh my aching sides. And they say you have no sense of humor,
> > Mr. Krueger!!! :-)
>
> Now you wouldn't be sarcastic or deceptive would you now, Mr.
> Atkinson?
To the more sympathetic readers in the group, I apologize in
advance. I know I'm not supposed to argue with Arny because he's
disturbed, psychotic, mentally ill, etc. And I've taken to heart
your recommendations that when he's in the middle of one of his
meltdowns it's best to let him cool down. But he's just so nasty
and disgusting that I can't keep walking away from his trolls.
That said, I wish to respond in the same tone he has taken...
Arny, I have no desire to discuss technical matters with ever
again. You are uneducable and, frankly, you have nothing to
offer. With a few small exceptions that don't even come to mind
right now, there is not a single audio topic about which I don't
know considerably more than you. You wanna talk analog design,
mixed signal design, digital design, algorithms, processing
architectures, converter architectures, compression, filter
banks, detection, estimation, console design, modeling,
perception, stochastic processes, tracking, programming, DSPs,
programming, operating systems, editing models, measurement? You
wanna talk about how things work in the studio? In tracking,
mixing, or mastering? In the home studio? Sound for picture?
Broadcast? Forget it. I've got you clocked. You have nothing to
offer me; it won't be an interesting conversation. Sorry.
What little you do know is already quite well known. As for the
vast universe of audio things *unknown* to you, you are simply
not willing to learn from those you perceive as enemies. And I'm
an enemy *you* have made because, as I keep repeating, I agree
with much of your audio worldview when it comes to practical
matters -- the lack of need for higher resolution formats in the
home, the rightful place of computers for A/V, the superiority of
digital, the high quality of today's soundcards, the convenience
and quality of formats like MP3, WMA, and AAC, etc. It's your
prime directive to avoid admitting error at all costs that has
made an enemy of me. Your lying, disseminating, twisting,
slandering, lying, lying some more, and distorting are the most
egregious I've ever seen from an adult. You know you do it and
everyone else knows you do it, your friends included. Some of
them are extremely tolerant and sympathetic to your illness and
won't call you out in public, but make no mistake: they, too, are
well aware of your sickness and aren't fooled into thinking you
actually win your debates with your technical betters.
Furthermore, unlike you, RAO is not my life. You accuse me of
hitting and running. I accuse me of having a real company to run,
lots of real work to do, and a desire to have a life away from my
computer when I'm *not* at work. Having a technical discussion or
argument with you is a monumental waste of time and nearly every
single person on this group from every camp and every ideology
knows it.
So quit trolling me. If you mention my name I'll be there to slap
you down and expose your filthy lies and demonstrate your
technical incompetence to the group. OK?
Glenn Z
John Atkinson
> John Atkinson wrote:
> > "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> > news:<CCdX8.1794$8Y1.86...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
> >> My positive presence here is one major reason that Bamborough,
> >> Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me. They are jealous of my mind and
> >> they are all too frightened to take me on technically.
> >
> > ROFL. Oh my aching sides. And they say you have no sense of humor,
> > Mr. Krueger!!! :-)
>
> Now you wouldn't be sarcastic or deceptive would you now, Mr.
> Atkinson?
reading it aloud, keeping a straight face as you do so. :-)
Again thank you for providing some light relief in what was turning
out to be a stressful day.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Tom
>
> Gummy said:
>
> > I think Arny is a whacko that likes to pull strings and push buttons.
> > He makes people mad. He doesn't hurt people.
>
> Uh-huh. And Greg is ..... what? Something radically different,
> markedly more malevolent? It's all just words on Usenet.
Yes - Greg is markedly more malevolent. So is Sackman. So are you.
> Come to think of it, only Bwian McFarty has had any effect on people
> in real life. He got Phoebe in trouble at work and he got at least
> one person bounced from an ISP. He probably tried that particular
> dirty trick with scads of people -- I know he tried it on me. Since
> you're so desperate for a point of comparison that makes Krooger
> look less vile, why don't you use Lyin' Bwian instead of Singh?
I couldn't agree more. McCarty is by far the biggest asshole
this group has ever seen. He makes you and Greg look like
panda bears..... ooops.......
Don't worry. Arny will read this and pay it no mind. He's
sure I want to destroy him and that I wish him dead. Why else
would I dare to criticize him? To criticize him in the least
is to unleash a snotstorm. The man is a fruit.
Tom
>
> No Tom you are yet another know-nothing who thinks he knows
> something. I'm trying to figure out what I did to unleash this great
> snotstorm from you on this fine day. Care to share? Or would that
> take more introspection than you can possibly muster?
Introspection. That's funny. You don't have a clue, poor man.
Why don't you go build another world class negative voltage regulator.
And if the phone rings, answer it. It's probably NASA.
George M. Middius
Gummy lied:
> > > I think Arny is a whacko that likes to pull strings and push buttons.
> > > He makes people mad. He doesn't hurt people.
> > Uh-huh. And Greg is ..... what? Something radically different,
> > markedly more malevolent? It's all just words on Usenet.
> Yes - Greg is markedly more malevolent. So is Sackman. So are you.
You're a bit ... strange. What year are you living in now, anyway?
You implied Greggy tries "to hurt people". You then went on to imply
Art and I do that also. Why would you say that? Surely by "people"
you don't mean Krooger and Ferstler and Nousiane, right? What do you
mean by "hurt"? I think you actually mean "shock" or "affront".
> > Come to think of it, only Bwian McFarty has had any effect on people
> > in real life. He got Phoebe in trouble at work and he got at least
> > one person bounced from an ISP. He probably tried that particular
> > dirty trick with scads of people -- I know he tried it on me. Since
> > you're so desperate for a point of comparison that makes Krooger
> > look less vile, why don't you use Lyin' Bwian instead of Singh?
> I couldn't agree more. McCarty is by far the biggest asshole
> this group has ever seen. He makes you and Greg look like
> panda bears..... ooops.......
Kroo-kroo-ka-choo to you too.
> Don't worry. Arny will read this and pay it no mind. He's
> sure I want to destroy him and that I wish him dead. Why else
> would I dare to criticize him? To criticize him in the least
> is to unleash a snotstorm. The man is a fruit.
Are you sure he's not a fag? Anyway, welcome to the "nigger pile"™.
Tom
>
> You implied Greggy tries "to hurt people". You then went on to imply
> Art and I do that also.
Discussing this with you is about as productive as arguing with Arny.
> Are you sure he's not a fag?
ya think?
Yustabe Slim
"Tom" <t...@spamthis.asshole> wrote in message
> "George M. Middius" wrote:
> >
> > Gummy said:
> >
> > > That's your opinion. You go ahead and call for hands.
> > > I think Arny is a whacko that likes to pull strings and push
buttons.
> > > He makes people mad. He doesn't hurt people.
> >
> > Uh-huh. And Greg is ..... what? Something radically different,
> > markedly more malevolent? It's all just words on Usenet.
>
> Yes - Greg is markedly more malevolent. So is Sackman. So are you.
>
My malevolence is SOLELY focused upon one individual.
I bear ill will to no other individual but him.
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Joe Duffy
John Atkinson <stereophi...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>"Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>news:<CCdX8.1794$8Y1.86...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
>> My positive presence here is one major reason that Bamborough,
>> Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me. They are jealous of my mind and
>> they are all too frightened to take me on technically.
>
>ROFL. Oh my aching sides. And they say you have no sense of humor,
>Mr. Krueger!!! :-)
>
LOL!
Jealousy involves a 3rd party.
Exactly who controls your mind, that they
are jealous of?
Oh, envy, how green thou art.
Joe
Joe Duffy
Glenn Zelniker <gle...@z-sys.com> wrote:
>Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> John Atkinson wrote:
>> > "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>> > news:<CCdX8.1794$8Y1.86...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
>> >> My positive presence here is one major reason that Bamborough,
>> >> Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me. They are jealous of my mind and
>> >> they are all too frightened to take me on technically.
>> >
>> > ROFL. Oh my aching sides. And they say you have no sense of humor,
>> > Mr. Krueger!!! :-)
>>
>> Now you wouldn't be sarcastic or deceptive would you now, Mr.
>> Atkinson?
>
>To the more sympathetic readers in the group, I apologize in
>advance. I know I'm not supposed to argue with Arny because he's
>disturbed, psychotic, mentally ill, etc. And I've taken to heart
>your recommendations that when he's in the middle of one of his
>meltdowns it's best to let him cool down. But he's just so nasty
>and disgusting that I can't keep walking away from his trolls.
>
>That said, I wish to respond in the same tone he has taken...
>
>Arny, I have no desire to discuss technical matters with ever
>again. You are uneducable and, frankly, you have nothing to
Good call.
FWIW, I can understand your frustration
and in your shoes may have approached this
situation the same way.
Joe
Marc Phillips
ROTFLMAO!
Boon
Tony Clifton
I think that after a long time of lurking and reading Arny on this
newsgroup, I "get it", as they say. I think Arny's primary purpose
here is to be a clown. To say "Hey, look at me everydoby! Look at me
make a fool of myself for the millionth time! Laugh at my antics!
It'll make you feel better!" I'm not saying it's intentional mind you,
but there it is.
He said that he is nothing but a positive presence on this group, and
now I think I can understand what he meant by that. I don't think
someone like Arny was ever meant to be taken seriously. If we stop
taking Arny seriously, and just let his endless absurdities continue
to become self-evident, well you can't help laughing at that. And
laughter is good medicine...
George M. Middius
Tony Clifton said:
> I think that after a long time of lurking and reading Arny on this
> newsgroup, I "get it", as they say. ... [snip] ... If we stop
> taking Arny seriously, and just let his endless absurdities continue
> to become self-evident, well you can't help laughing at that. And
> laughter is good medicine...
Your logic is faulty. You just said it took you a long time of
lurking to "get it" (where "it" presumably stands for "the truth
about Krooger"). If you're anything like a typical Usenet browser
-- and I'm not saying you are typical -- then your "long time" is
ample testimony to the importance of refuting Mr. Shit's crapola
as soon as it appears. This is especially so for those few RAOers
who have actual standing in the audio industry.
Tony Clifton
> Your logic is faulty. You just said it took you a long time of
> lurking to "get it" (where "it" presumably stands for "the truth
> about Krooger"). If you're anything like a typical Usenet browser
> -- and I'm not saying you are typical -- then your "long time" is
> ample testimony to the importance of refuting Mr. Shit's crapola
> as soon as it appears. This is especially so for those few RAOers
> who have actual standing in the audio industry.
I don't know if I'm a 'typical usenet browser', because I don't know
what that is. If that means a well seasoned participant in the
newsgroups, then I'm certainly not. But I've learned a lot from
reading, and I can now understand why people might be hesitant to
share their opinions in such newsgroups like rec.audio.opinion. I know
that just one little opinion on this group means that someone will
take issue with it, which is more than enough to ellicit a firestorm
of defamation to rain down on your head. It seems that just posting
anything to it that someone could possibly take issue with is to risk
becoming embroiled in all kinds of nasty defamation attacks against
you, becoming the target of all manner of inane conspiracy theories as
to the integrity of your very identity, having your name debased and
every aspect of your character assaulted in any way possible. I think
that's what they might call a "dysfunctional newsgroup", in the trade.
So I don't know why I am now risking exposing myself to the
above-mentioned hazards by all the wackos on this group, but it isn't
to 'refute Mr. Shit's crapola' (and I by "Mr. Shit", I'll have to
assume you're referring to Arny Krueger). But since I don't think you
understood me, that was my point. "Mr. Shit" as you call him, seems to
do the best job of refuting his own 'crapola', just by being himself.
I've closely read the arguments from most interested parties, and I
don't think I'm alone out there in quickly realizing that Mr. Krueger
is simply not a reasonable man, and thereby, not to be taken
seriously, no matter how earnest he may appear to be at the onset. If
you take him too seriously, I think it's like cutting open a vein in
shark-infested waters. It seems that whenever Arny is being taken
seriously by someone who doesn't realize the extent of his madness, he
smells blood and starts circling around them, planning an attack.
Can't be anything positive to come out of that, can there?
I suggest that instead of feeding his grotesque ego, take him for what
he is, RAO's self-appointed "Court Jester", and I think you'll find
that the little chap can be quite an amusing and comical influence
around here. Since he won't leave the group, no matter how many voices
oppose him, at least then you all can finally make something positive
out of this troll's highly controversial and generally undesired
presence.
Leon North
"Arny", is that you?
LN
"Kick a borg for Jesus"
Tom
>
> ....I don't know if I'm a 'typical usenet browser'....
Tony - don't you have a really, really HOT-looking wife?
George M. Middius
Leon North said:
> > I suggest that instead of feeding his grotesque ego, take him for what
> > he is, RAO's self-appointed "Court Jester", and I think you'll find
> > that the little chap can be quite an amusing and comical influence
> > around here. Since he won't leave the group, no matter how many voices
> > oppose him, at least then you all can finally make something positive
> > out of this troll's highly controversial and generally undesired
> > presence.
>
> "Arny", is that you?
It sounds more like toony with a properly functioning keyboard.
Yustabe Slim
"Leon North" <leon_n...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3D2F55EC...@hotmail.com...
Remember what Arny himself has said.
A sockpuppet cannot be any smarter or more competent than the person
running him.
Tony Clifton's language abilities are far superior to those of
Krueger.
MDHJWH
> Leon North said:
Snip>at least then you all can finally make something positive
> > > out of this troll's highly controversial and generally undesired
How is a TROLL defined? No matter how many times I encounter it, I'm
never sure of it's exact meaning. I have assumed a troll is either
just someone who annoys the accuser or a poster who doesn't know what
they are talking about but insists they do. Am I anywhere near
understanding the term?
Ayn Marx
"Never underestimate the random cruelty of the Universe"
Tom
>
> How is a TROLL defined? No matter how many times I encounter it, I'm
> never sure of it's exact meaning. I have assumed a troll is either
> just someone who annoys the accuser or a poster who doesn't know what
> they are talking about but insists they do. Am I anywhere near
> understanding the term?
"Troll" is a fishing term. To troll is to dangle bait and wait
for a bite. It means the same thing here. A troll is one who
trolls.
Tony Clifton
> Tony Clifton wrote:
> >
> > ....I don't know if I'm a 'typical usenet browser'....
>
>
>
> Tony - don't you have a really, really HOT-looking wife?
<sigh>.... I hate it when I'm right. On the first day that I post on
this group, I express some reservations about doing so, stating that I
have been led to expect nothing less than a barrage of defamation and
wacko conspiracy theories for my trouble. You read this and how do you
people respond to my first messages? Not by intelligently addressing
any point that I raised in it that you have apparently taken issue
with for some reason unbeknownst to me, but by already attacking me
with pointless, immature defamation attacks on my family, whom you
know nothing about, and with paranoid conspiracy theories about my
identity from no less than three different people, who mumble their
usual tripe about "sockpuppets". In other words, you respond exactly
as I said you would, as does the proverbial Pavlovian dog.
And the odd thing I find about all of this, is not just that these
attacks are coming from people whom I did not attack personally, but
from those whom I've seen condemning Arny Krueger on a regular basis,
who's behaviour I was denouncing in my posts. People with such a poor
grip on reality, that they would have the cheek to suggest that I must
be Arny Kreuger under another guise, whilst I'm busy denouncing him.
If this is exemplary of the level of communication I can expect from
Krueger's opponents, God knows what I can expect next from Kreuger's
supporters. But don't worry, I'm not planning to stick around any
longer to find out. I get the message now.
I think you people are so battle-worn, you can't even tell an enemy
from an ally from a relatively objective observer. So just as I laid
it out in my last post, anyone that says anything that anyone takes
the slightest issue with becomes an enemy, risking all manner of
defamation and abuse, from men who act like bratty children when their
parents aren't around to reprimand them. No sane person wants to
subject themselves to this, so why you people want to alienate
everyone from posting on your newsgroup is a mystery to me. Especially
those you might have had something in common with. As I said in my
first messages, I knew I was making a mistake posting to this group,
and you've proven me right. Which is why I hate it when I'm right...
Yustabe Slim
"MDHJWH" <mdh...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:808df0f8.02071...@posting.google.com...
> George M. Middius <Glan...@ipo.net> wrote in message
news:<46muiugsomkbijuck...@4ax.com>...
> > Leon North said:
> Snip>at least then you all can finally make something positive
> > > > out of this troll's highly controversial and generally
undesired
> > > > presence.<< snip
> How is a TROLL defined? No matter how many times I encounter it, I'm
> never sure of it's exact meaning. I have assumed a troll is either
> just someone who annoys the accuser or a poster who doesn't know
what
> they are talking about but insists they do. Am I anywhere near
> understanding the term?
A troll is a master baiter.
Tom
> > >
> > > ....I don't know if I'm a 'typical usenet browser'....
> Tom <t...@spamthis.asshole> wrote...
> >
> > Tony - don't you have a really, really HOT-looking wife?
Tony Clifton wrote:
>
> <sigh>.... attacking me with pointless, immature defamation
> attacks on my family...
My bad. I'm sorry. Come on - tell us about your family.
Seriously, what did you expect? Did you think a new guy
was gonna come in here, make a few observations and make
everything all better? Are you a high-power executive
with an impressive track record for turning things around?
John Atkinson
> Did you think a new guy was gonna come in here, make a few
> observations and make everything all better?
presence since Tony Clifton started posting. :-)
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
George M. Middius
John Atkinson said:
> > Did you think a new guy was gonna come in here, make a few
> > observations and make everything all better?
>
> Well, to be fair r.a.o has been free of Arny Krueger's
> presence since Tony Clifton started posting. :-)
If Clifton is Krooger's "vacation" arranger, more power to him.
J Borg, Jr.
>Arny Krueger's
Hahahah! Now there's an omen plugged to the max
with his own bundle of contradictions.
JBorg, Jr.
"the good borg"
Yustabe Slim
"John Atkinson" <stereophi...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:9b0b3a02.02071...@posting.google.com...
When Arny comes back, maybe he'll take on Jerry whatshisname, formerly
of the WWF. Then he'll fake a broken leg and later die from a brain
cancer.
Zakhann
> "MDHJWH" <mdh...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:808df0f8.02071...@posting.google.com...
> > George M. Middius <Glan...@ipo.net> wrote in message
> news:<46muiugsomkbijuck...@4ax.com>...
> > > Leon North said:
> Snip>at least then you all can finally make something positive
> > > > > out of this troll's highly controversial and generally
> undesired
> > > > > presence.<< snip
> > How is a TROLL defined? No matter how many times I encounter it, I'm
> > never sure of it's exact meaning. I have assumed a troll is either
> > just someone who annoys the accuser or a poster who doesn't know
> what
> > they are talking about but insists they do. Am I anywhere near
> > understanding the term?
>
>
> A troll is a master baiter.
>
>
Zakhann
What standing do you have Minus?
Zakhann
> >
>
> >
> > Ed Shain is likely the one person on earth who has spent more
> > out-of-pocket cash than anybody else, to hurt me. I suspect that
> > should Middius ever think a non-maximally-hateful thought about me
> in
> > Ed's presence, Ed would be sure to do everything he could to put an
> > end to it. That's if Middius isn't one of Ed's sockpuppets.
> >
> > Ed's so screwed up that the best revenge is just to let him live his
> > life in peace. He can do worse things to himself than I could ever
> > think up.
> >
> > Ed said that he lurked here long before he first posted, so no
> reason
> > for him not to do the same thing after the fact.
> >
> >
>
> Even paranoid people have real enemies.
> The problem is figuring out which ones are real and which ones are
> not.
Hey Slime, you don't need to figure out anything, I'm your real
enemy. You and the rest of the members of "Our Gang"( knowledge of
audio challenged), you don't offer any knowledge to any of on audio,
you guys are some pigeons, all you do shit down on RAO and I hate
pigeon shit, I hate on my car and I hate it in RAO, I don't think any
audiophiles(not audio-fools) like the pigeon shit you go guys drop on
RAO.
Yustabe Slim
"Zakhann" <Zak...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:dbb39cce.02071...@posting.google.com...
So, your rehab program is over?
Or did you eject prematurely?
Either way, it didn't work.
Yustabe Slim
Too bad about your new paint job.
Marc Phillips
This sockpuppet once said that it was going to be on us "like a pit bull."
Somehow, two or three lame posts every couple of months wasn't what I was
expecting.
Boon
Marc Phillips
> Hey Slime, you don't need to figure out anything, I'm your real
>enemy. You and the rest of the members of "Our Gang"( knowledge of
>audio challenged), you don't offer any knowledge to any of on audio,
>you guys are some pigeons, all you do shit down on RAO and I hate
>pigeon shit, I hate on my car and I hate it in RAO, I don't think any
>audiophiles(not audio-fools) like the pigeon shit you go guys drop on
>RAO.
You write like a ten-year-old.
Boon
Tom
It was a nicely written post tho, wunnit? What he say?
Tom
>
> Tom <t...@spamthis.asshole> wrote ...
> > Did you think a new guy was gonna come in here, make a few
> > observations and make everything all better?
>
> Well, to be fair r.a.o has been free of Arny Krueger's
> presence since Tony Clifton started posting. :-)
Just coincidence. *I* drove him off. I was pretty rough on him.
George M. Middius
Gummy said:
> What he say?
This is a fine time to admit you don't know Krooglish.
Paul B
> Tom <t...@spamthis.asshole> wrote in message
news:<3D30428A...@spamthis.asshole>...
>> Did you think a new guy was gonna come in here, make a few
>> observations and make everything all better?
> Well, to be fair r.a.o has been free of Arny Krueger's
> presence since Tony Clifton started posting. :-)
And mine. This proves that we are both actually Krüger.
p
Arny Krueger
> So quit trolling me. If you mention my name I'll be there to slap
> you down and expose your filthy lies and demonstrate your
> technical incompetence to the group. OK?
Glenn Zelniker is paranoid.
Glenn Zelniker is technically incompetent,
Glenn Zelniker is a charlatan,
Glenn Zelniker is a closet golden ear.
Glenn Zelniker can't give proper answers to even the simplest
technical questions. Check his track record on RAO. RAHE and RAP.
There Mr. Zelniker, that should keep you busy for a while, my child.
;-)
Arny Krueger
> Well, to be fair r.a.o has been free of Arny Krueger's
> presence since Tony Clifton started posting. :-)
Mr. Atkinson, in this case, the truth is far simpler than your
paranoid fiction. I announced where I was going to be this weekend in
this message:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=jTeX8.1804%24oZ4.66891881%40new
ssvr15.news.prodigy.com>
Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:30:07 EDT
"We've been having wonderful weather here in
Michigan and I'm getting ready to motor off to Sleeping Bear Dunes to
spend an extended weekend with my family. It's my daughter's birthday
and this is how she wants to celebrate it. "
Clue number one:
Clue number two:
http://www.nps.gov/slbe/PRCG.htm
My precise nightly location was in or about walk-in campsites A6 &
A7. Because of the large number of family members present, we used
two adjacent campsites.
Clue number 3:
During the days, we vested among other places, locations (2) (3) (4),
(5), (6), (7) shown at http://www.nps.gov/slbe/ppmaps/slbemap1%2Epdf
, We also visited a number of nearby towns including Empire and
Travers City (last day of Cherry Festival).
It was a great weekend.
BTW, In case someone needs yet another clue, I was gone for an
extended weekend of camping, driving and hiking, and now I'm back!
;-)
Arny Krueger
>>>> My positive presence here is one major reason that Bamborough,
>>>> Atkinson, and Zelniker attack me. They are jealous of my mind
>>>> and they are all too frightened to take me on technically.
>>>
>>> ROFL. Oh my aching sides. And they say you have no sense of
>>> humor, Mr. Krueger!!! :-)
>>
>> Now you wouldn't be sarcastic or deceptive would you now, Mr.
>> Atkinson?
>
> No, I genuinely found your statement hilarious, Mr. Krueger. Try
> reading it aloud, keeping a straight face as you do so. :-)
>
> Again thank you for providing some light relief in what was
> turning out to be a stressful day.
Admit it Mr. Atkinson, you knew I was going to be gone this weekend
and you decided to bite me in the back while I wasn't around to
defend myself.
;-)
Powell
"Arny Krueger" wrote
> We also visited a number of nearby towns including
> Empire and Travers City (last day of Cherry Festival).
>
That's *Traverse* City... dote.
> ...I was gone for an extended weekend... and
> now I'm back!
>
Thanks for the warning, Arny.
Arny Krueger
"Powell" <hig...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:uj5staa...@corp.supernews.com...
> "Arny Krueger" wrote
> > We also visited a number of nearby towns including
> > Empire and Travers City (last day of Cherry Festival).
> That's *Traverse* City... dote.
Typo.
Anon E Mouse
On 12 Jul 2002, MDHJWH wrote:
> George M. Middius <Glan...@ipo.net> wrote in message news:<46muiugsomkbijuck...@4ax.com>...
> > Leon North said:
> Snip>at least then you all can finally make something positive
> > > > out of this troll's highly controversial and generally undesired
> > > > presence.<< snip
> How is a TROLL defined? No matter how many times I encounter it, I'm
> never sure of it's exact meaning. I have assumed a troll is either
> just someone who annoys the accuser or a poster who doesn't know what
> they are talking about but insists they do. Am I anywhere near
> understanding the term?
http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/index.html
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Anon E. Mouse
[Playing] "Malpractice" - Redman
Anon E Mouse
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Tom wrote:
> Anon E Mouse wrote:
> >
> > Perspicace.
>
> Hey - good to hear from you Igon.
Sorry but I left the dog in Hamburg for my vacation. And he does not read
Usenet anyway. He is into bier...
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Anon E. Mouse
Anon E Mouse
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:04:02 GMT, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> There is no one that supports you.
> >
> >Prove it, Tom.
>
> Anyone who supports Krueger in this matter, please sign below:
Sibastien McIntyre (Anon E. Mouse)
> ..............................................................
>
> .............................................................
>
> .............................................................
>
> ............................................................
>
> OK, proof here soon.
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Anon E. Mouse
John Atkinson
> John Atkinson wrote:
> > Again thank you for providing some light relief in what was
> > turning out to be a stressful day.
>
Not until long after I posted this message last Thursday, Mr. Krueger.
> and you decided to bite me in the back while I wasn't around to
> defend myself.
Mr. Krueger?
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Leon North
The only laughter with which he is familiar is the derisive kind. It's a handicap.
LN
trotsky
Clearly you need to be a fan of Marv Albert to get it.
John Atkinson
> John Atkinson wrote:
>
> > Well, to be fair r.a.o has been free of Arny Krueger's
> > presence since Tony Clifton started posting. :-)
>
> Mr. Atkinson, in this case, the truth is far simpler than your
> paranoid fiction.
indicating *joke* had something to do with this?
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Arny Krueger
"John Atkinson" <stereophi...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:9b0b3a02.02071...@posting.google.com...
Mr. Atkinson, I saw you trying to make a fool out of me while I was away and
couldn't defend myself. We all saw you. No amount of back-pedalling will
change that.
;-)
Yustabe Slim
Arny:
Do you know who Tony Clifton is/was?
Not 'our' Tony Clifton. I mean the ??real?? Tony Clifton.
John Atkinson
> "John Atkinson" <stereophi...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> news:9b0b3a02.02071...@posting.google.com...
> > "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:<K8BY8.740$UN2.19...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>...
> > > defend myself.
> >
> > How is my thanking you for making me laugh "biting you in the back,"
> > Mr. Krueger?
> >
> and couldn't defend myself. We all saw you. No amount of back-pedalling
> will change that. ;-)
different plane from my own. Other than the above posting in which I
commented that your sense of humor made me laugh -- posted, it should
be noted, on a day that you were also posting to r.a.o. -- I only posted
one message during the period you said you were away. Far from
back-pedalling, I'll reproduce the entire text of that message. Please
explain how it "makes a fool" out of you?
Begin quoted text:
-------------------------------------------------
message <9b0b3a02.02071...@posting.google.com>
From: John Atkinson (stereophi...@compuserve.com)
Subject: Re: for the attn. of arny krueger, bill watkins and others
Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
Date: 2002-07-13 17:20:23 PST
> Did you think a new guy was gonna come in here, make a few
> observations and make everything all better?
presence since Tony Clifton started posting. :-)
End quoted text
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Arny Krueger
Guess what John, you've been fooled again!
If you can look at the properties of the earlier (10:39 AM EDT)
post from me in this thread, it includes:
Path:
newssvr05.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!pos
tmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr16.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!934ff16b!n
ot-for-mail
(the first few entries will be different for people who use other
ISPs)
IOW, it was posted via a news server owned by the well-known US
Prodigy service which is how I usually post.
If you look at the post you just responded to (8:01 PM EDT) its
source path was:
Path:
newssvr05.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!nnt
p.flash.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!np0.iij.ad.jp!news.iij.ad.jp
!news.tocn.ne.jp!not-for-mail
(the first few entries will be different for people who use other
ISPs)
IOW the was posted via news.tocn.ne.jp which appears to be a
Japanese ISP. Their home page is http://www.tohknet.co.jp/index2.html
and from the map on that page, it appears that they serve the
Japanese Island of Honshu.
I notice a number of other forgeries on RAO with similar origins.
It does my heart good to see you fall for a trick by one of your own
supporters, Mr. Atkinson. You ought to get Middius to bring them
under closer control, though.
;-)
Anon E Mouse
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Arny Krueger wrote:
> [...]
>
> IOW the was posted via news.tocn.ne.jp which appears to be a
> Japanese ISP. Their home page is http://www.tohknet.co.jp/index2.html
> and from the map on that page, it appears that they serve the
> Japanese Island of Honshu.
>
> I notice a number of other forgeries on RAO with similar origins.
And it is easy to check why...
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Anon E. Mouse
Stephen McElroy
stereophi...@compuserve.com (John Atkinson) wrote:
> Well, to be fair r.a.o has been free of Arny Krueger's
> presence since Tony Clifton started posting. :-)
He was away supervising the name-change from "MacFrugals" to "Big!Lots".
Stephen
John Atkinson
> Guess what John, you've been fooled again!
be from the real Arny Krueger)
> I notice a number of other forgeries on RAO with similar origins.
my suspicions are aroused. In this case, as the forger had apparently
used your correct email address and had also done a passable job at
imitating your posting style, I had no reason to doubt the authenticity
of the message. In future I will always check the header info before
responding to one of your postings.
As for being fooled "again," was the posting where you accused Glenn
Zelniker's company of being bankrolled by "you-know-who" also a forgery?
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
George M. Middius
John Atkinson said to Shit-for-Brains:
> As for being fooled "again," was the posting where you accused Glenn
> Zelniker's company of being bankrolled by "you-know-who" also a forgery?
That bit of delusional ranting was almost certainly a genuine
Kroo-dropping. Google shows the message ID as
L8BY8.742$UN2.19...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com. Until getting
kicked off recently, Krooger had been using that news server for
qutie a while.
Zakhann
Hey Slime! Let me reset, YOU, MINUS, BA-FOON AND WEASEL ARE PIGEONS.
1)You contribute anything to RAO, since you don't know anything about
audio. All you do is drop shit all over RAO, just like a pigeons do
and I hate pigeon droppings, I hate it when it drops on my car and on
my back porch, I especially hate it when pigeon shit is coming from a
bunch pigeons who don't anything about audio.
Remember this, the A in RAO stands for audio.
ZAK attack is back.
Arny Krueger
> Tom <t...@spamthis.asshole> wrote in message
> news:<3D31F1AE...@spamthis.asshole>...
>> Yustabe Slim wrote:
>>> "Zakhann" <Zak...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:dbb39cce.02071...@posting.google.com...
>>>> "Yustabe Slim" <yusta...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:<3d2d6...@corp-news.newsgroups.com>...
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:xj6X8.1790$Qp3.60...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>>> Ed Shain is likely the one person on earth who has spent more
>>>>>> out-of-pocket cash than anybody else, to hurt me. I suspect
>>>>>> that should Middius ever think a non-maximally-hateful
>>>>>> thought about me in
>>>>>> Ed's presence, Ed would be sure to do everything he could to
>>>>>> put an end to it. That's if Middius isn't one of Ed's
>>>>>> sockpuppets.
>>>>>> Ed's so screwed up that the best revenge is just to let him
>>>>>> live his life in peace. He can do worse things to himself
>>>>>> than I could ever think up.
>>>>>> Ed said that he lurked here long before he first posted, so
>>>>>> no reason for him not to do the same thing after the fact.
>>>>> Even paranoid people have real enemies.
My biggest mistake through the whole past 6 years is underestimating
how far my enemies will go, and how low people will go to work with
them. JJ was probably the biggest disappointment.
>>>>> The problem is figuring out which ones are real and which
>>>>> ones are not.
It's amusing to try to do this, but unnecessary.
>>>> Hey Slime, you don't need to figure out anything, I'm your
>>>> real enemy.
Sackman claims he's going to buzz off.
>>>>You and the rest of the members of "Our Gang"(
>>>> knowledge of audio challenged), you don't offer any knowledge
>>>> to any of on audio,
That goes for "Tom" as well.
>>>>you guys are some pigeons, all you do sh*t
>>>> down on RAO and I hate pigeon shit, I hate on my car and I
>>>> hate it in RAO,
It is true that the Atkinson gang do little or nothing to promote
audio on RAO.
>>>> I don't think any audiophiles(not audio-
>>>> fools) like the pigeon shit you go guys drop on RAO.
One ironic aspect of the situation is how they try to use vinyl and
tubes to manipulate people. I'm quite sure that none of them really
care about vinyl or tubes except in terms of the way they can use
them as issues to manipulate people.
Another aspect is the absolute moral vacuum that they carry around
them. I'd really like to know which one of them first hit on the idea
of telling all those lies about my late son's death. Was it Atkinson?
Was it Shane? And that people like JJ and his brother-in-law would
lay down and sleep with this filthy crew, positively gags me.
>>> Too bad about your new paint job.
>> It was a nicely written post tho, wunnit? What he say?
> Hey Slime! Let me reset, YOU, MINUS, BA-FOON AND WEASEL ARE
> PIGEONS.
> 1)You contribute anything to RAO, since you don't know anything
> about audio.
In fact, audio knowledge is what scares The Resistance the most. It
points out the lies in their marketing and sales schemes. The more
people know about science and engineering, the more ludicrous much of
audio's high end appears to be.
> All you do is drop sh*t all over RAO, just like a
> pigeons do and I hate pigeon droppings, I hate it when it drops
> on my car and on my back porch, I especially hate it when pigeon
> shit is coming from a bunch pigeons who don't anything about
> audio.
For all the shilling and sockpuppetry, it has gained them nothing.
If their love of audio is so true and pure why all the lies, why all
the personal attacks, why all the sockpuppets, why all the shills?
> Remember this, the A in RAO stands for audio.
And for 6 years they've been fought to a standstill, and now they are
suffering reverses. Audio could be a great hobby, and on the other
audio newsgroups there is a lot of enthusiasm for the hobby. But, on
RAO The Resistance has turned Audio into a battle to the death.
John Atkinson
Message: <EQcZ8.1699$R24.44...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>
(NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.43.10.99)
> Another aspect is the absolute moral vacuum that they carry around
> them. I'd really like to know which one of them first hit on the idea
> of telling all those lies about my late son's death. Was it Atkinson?
comment I have made about the terrible death of your son Nate was to
express my condolences and synpathy in an e-mail to you at the time,
to which I later referred in a 1998 posting on r.a.o.:
(Stereophi...@compuserve.com) wrote in message news:7kfa5k$jve$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> And I have expressed my public sympathy on r.a.o. with your personal
>> tragedy. As a parent, I believe that the death of one's child is
>> possibly the greatest pain anyone can be called upon to bear.
For you now to use your personal tragedy as a troll to feed your
obsession with me is as sad a happening as I can imagine.
With great regret
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Arny Krueger
> "Arny Krueger" (ar...@hotpop.com) wrote in
> Message: <EQcZ8.1699$R24.44...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>
> (NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.43.10.99)
>> Another aspect is the absolute moral vacuum that they carry
>> around them. I'd really like to know which one of them first hit
>> on the idea of telling all those lies about my late son's death.
>> Was it Atkinson?
> Don't you get tired with your baseless trolling, Mr. Krueger.
Mr.Atkinson, don't you ever get tired of being so consistently
despicable that I consider you capable of doing such a thing?
As far as your kind words at one time go Mr. Atkinson, all I have to
do is pull up other similar words from people like Phillips, Middius,
Briggs, Weil, and Singh. Sackman is another perp of this obscenity,
but AFAIK he was hiding under some rock at the time of the tragedy.
Then I can pull up the evil things they said later on.
As usual, Mr. Atkinson, experience shows your alleged evidence means
little or nothing. Now, if you would have denounced the evil words
when they were spoken, and not subsequently been so effusive with
your praise some of the perps for their attacks on me, you might not
be so high on my *list*.
John Atkinson
> John Atkinson wrote:
>> "Arny Krueger" (ar...@hotpop.com) wrote in
>> Message: <EQcZ8.1699$R24.44...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>
>>> around them. I'd really like to know which one of them first hit
>>> on the idea of telling all those lies about my late son's death.
>>> Was it Atkinson?
>>
>> Don't you get tired with your baseless trolling, Mr. Krueger.
>
> Mr.Atkinson, don't you ever get tired of being so consistently
> despicable that I consider you capable of doing such a thing?
any of the accusations of bad behavior on my part. This results in
circular reasoning on your part, where your prior accusations of
bad behavior are subsequently used to justify further accusations,
as in this instance. I repeat: I have never said or done anything
that mocks the tragic death of your son. You have no reason, other
than your obsession with my activities, to ask such a demeaning
question as "Was it Atkinson?"
>> The only comment I have made about the terrible death of your son
>> at the time, to which I later referred in a 1998 posting on r.a.o.:
>> (Stereophi...@compuserve.com) wrote in message
>> news:7kfa5k$jve$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>>>> And I have expressed my public sympathy on r.a.o. with your personal
>>>> tragedy. As a parent, I believe that the death of one's child is
>>>> possibly the greatest pain anyone can be called upon to bear.
>
> do is pull up other similar words from people like Phillips, Middius,
> later on.
With respect Mr. Krueger, what do the actions of these people have to
do with me? Even if they are readers of Stereophile, that does not mean
I am responsible for their actions, nor are they responsible for mine.
And having read through some the threads to which you are referring, it
should be noted that Marc Phillips, at least initially, appeared also to
be sympathizing with you over your loss, and like me, was objecting your
self-pitying accusations that he had been mocking you on this matter.
> As usual, Mr. Atkinson, experience shows your alleged evidence means
> little or nothing.
I _ever_ expressed anything negative about the tragic death of your
son? When have I _ever_ encouraged others to mock this tragic event? All
I have done is to express my sympathies to you personally via e-mail and
in public on this newsgroup.
> Now, if you would have denounced the evil words when they were spoken...
I have done so in the past and will do so again. Attacks on people's
children and on people's personal tragedies are abhorrent.
> ...and not subsequently been so effusive with your praise some of the
> perps for their attacks on me, you might not be so high on my *list*.
not responsible for anyone's postings other than my own, and other people
are not responsible for anything I post. All I have done is correct your
public statements about Stereophile and about me when those statements
have been erroneous, and to offer specific criticisms of your website
when invited _by you_ to do so. Your inability to deal with opinions
contrary to your own, Mr. Krueger, your unwillingness to substantiate
your opinions, and your willingness to retreat into abusive behavior
rather than debate matters in a logical and polite manner have been
noted by many posters on many newsgroups.
>> For you now to use your personal tragedy as a troll to feed your
>> obsession with me is as sad a happening as I can imagine.
tragic as the premature death of your son as a newsgroup troll reveals
the pain you must feel. I seriously suggest that you are in need of
professional counseling, Mr. Krueger.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Arny Krueger
> In message <49pZ8.9324$9V.470...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>
> Arny Krueger (ar...@hotpop.com) wrote:
>> John Atkinson wrote:
>>> "Arny Krueger" (ar...@hotpop.com) wrote in
>>> Message: <EQcZ8.1699$R24.44...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>
>>>> Another aspect is the absolute moral vacuum that they carry
>>>> around them. I'd really like to know which one of them first
>>>> hit on the idea of telling all those lies about my late son's
>>>> death. Was it Atkinson?
>>>
>>> Don't you get tired with your baseless trolling, Mr. Krueger.
>>
>> Mr.Atkinson, don't you ever get tired of being so consistently
>> despicable that I consider you capable of doing such a thing?
> With respect, Mr. Krueger, you have so far refused to substantiate
> any of the accusations of bad behavior on my part.
Lie number one Mr. Atkinson: you don't respect me at all.
Jamie Benchimol
> John Atkinson wrote:
> > In message <49pZ8.9324$9V.470...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>
> > Arny Krueger (ar...@hotpop.com) wrote:
> >> John Atkinson wrote:
> >>> Message: <EQcZ8.1699$R24.44...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>
> >>>> around them. I'd really like to know which one of them first
> >>>> hit on the idea of telling all those lies about my late son's
> >>>> death. Was it Atkinson?
> >>>
> >>> Don't you get tired with your baseless trolling, Mr. Krueger.
> >>
> >> despicable that I consider you capable of doing such a thing?
>
> > With respect, Mr. Krueger, you have so far refused to substantiate
> > any of the accusations of bad behavior on my part.
>
> Lie number one Mr. Atkinson: you don't respect me at all.
....and this is how Mr. Krueger responds to your entire polite,
reasoned message Mr. Atkinson; with yet another paranoid and
unsubstantiated accusation. Unbelieveable. The same man who parrots
the phrase "prove it" over and over again in his diatribes against
others, is the same man who ignores complaints against him for his
many false and libelous accusations and assertions, and who simply
runs away from technical debates when he can not answer the questions
asked of him if he thinks it will compromise his position and cause
him to lose the debate.
Of course Mr. Krueger refuses to address your valild questions and
concerns because he can not do so without admitting his reprehensible
behavior on this group. As we have all seen on these audio groups, Mr.
Krueger never admits wrongdoing for his behavior. Even when that
behavior crosses a line so abhorrent as to accuse one of his many
perceived enemies of having spoken ill of his deceased child, when in
fact we all saw that you had expressed your condolences of this sad
occasion with great respect and sympathy, as have others that he has
targeted as his "enemies". I do not know of anyone on this group or
any of the other audio groups that would willingly and deceitfully use
the issue of their dead son as a means with which to disparage and
discredit their ideological opponents.
It is for this that I find the term "with respect" in addressing Mr.
Arny Krueger, quite incongruous. I suppose it is telling that you have
shown more respect, patience, tolerance and sympathy for Mr. Krueger
than any one else I have ever seen in his 6 years of trolling the
audio groups, and he yet he still tries to smear your good name by
deliberately trying to deceive people into thinking that you
disparaged the death of his son, when the truth and the record on
Google shows the exact opposite. These are the actions of a desperate,
hateful, bitter and paranoid man. Not a man deserving of our respect,
IMHO.
Michael McGindi
>Date: 7/18/2002 1:44 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8209b6fd.02071...@posting.google.com>
mmg
Michael McGindi
>Date: 7/18/2002 1:44 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8209b6fd.02071...@posting.google.com>
>
you, Boon? Is "Benchimol" a clever baseball reference? You always were the
smartest guy in the clique. ;-)
Btw, I'm enjoying reading all the audio related posts you have made in
Audioannex in the past couple of days. It's clear that you love to "talk about
audio".
mmg
Arny Krueger
> "Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:0wCZ8.9534$zW4.48...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
>> John Atkinson wrote:
>>> In message <49pZ8.9324$9V.470...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>
>>> Arny Krueger (ar...@hotpop.com) wrote:
>>>> John Atkinson wrote:
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" (ar...@hotpop.com) wrote in
>>>>> Message: <EQcZ8.1699$R24.44...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>
>>>>>> Another aspect is the absolute moral vacuum that they carry
>>>>>> around them. I'd really like to know which one of them first
>>>>>> hit on the idea of telling all those lies about my late son's
>>>>>> death. Was it Atkinson?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you get tired with your baseless trolling, Mr. Krueger.
>>>>
>>>> Mr.Atkinson, don't you ever get tired of being so consistently
>>>> despicable that I consider you capable of doing such a thing?
>>
>>> With respect, Mr. Krueger, you have so far refused to
>>> substantiate any of the accusations of bad behavior on my part.
>>
>> Lie number one Mr. Atkinson: you don't respect me at all.
>
> ....and this is how Mr. Krueger responds to your entire polite,
> reasoned message Mr. Atkinson; with yet another paranoid and
> unsubstantiated accusation.
If you had your eyes open the last week or so on RAO Mr. Benchimol,
you'd know all about the substantiation.
>Unbelieveable (sic). The same man who
> parrots the phrase "prove it" over and over again in his
> diatribes against others, is the same man who ignores complaints
> against him for his many false and libelous accusations and
> assertions, and who simply runs away from technical debates when
> he can not answer the questions asked of him if he thinks it will
> compromise his position and cause him to lose the debate.
You are obviously rather unclear about the basics of debating. Key to
any debate is some degree of mutual respect. As little respect as I
have for Mr. Atkinson, he has even less respect for me. Lately he's
been specializing in laughing off my posts. He's claimed that I don't
exist. He's repeatedly called me "insane". He's claimed that I've
never caught him doing anything wrong, when the fact of the matter is
that I caught him doing wrong to my wife so thoroughly that he had to
publicly apologize to me.
So where have you been, Mr. Benchimol? BTW nice handle. Interesting
that in searching a few tens of millions of names online, including
the records for the state you posted from, there isn't one
"Benchimol" among them. Dr. Gindi, I presume? ;-)
> Of course Mr. Krueger refuses to address your valild (sic)
questions and
> concerns because he can not do so without admitting his
> reprehensible behavior on this group.
I surely can, but since I'm probably talking to a sock puppet, a
made-up entity that is at its core a lie, why should I bother?
Arny Krueger
>> From: fireo...@yahoo.com (Jamie Benchimol)
>> Date: 7/18/2002 1:44 PM Central Daylight Time
>> ....and this is how Mr. Krueger responds to your entire polite,
>> reasoned message Mr. Atkinson; with yet another paranoid and
>> unsubstantiated accusation.
> Hmm...no prior posts to usenet, and your first post attacks
> Krueger. Is that you, Boon? Is "Benchimol" a clever baseball
> reference? You always were the smartest guy in the clique. ;-)
The propensity towards misspelled words seems to be very reminiscent
of "Leon North".
> Btw, I'm enjoying reading all the audio related posts you have
> made in Audioannex in the past couple of days. It's clear that
> you love to "talk about audio".
What handle is Phillips using over there today?
;-)
> mmg