Once upon a midnight clear....
George M. Middius
'Twas the night before Kroodown, and all 'round Goose Puke
Hardly a truth could be found, except for this ruse:
The email with porn that the Kroo'd sworn was jake
He'd just now admitted to be a big fake.
The Kroo was ensconced in a big ball of snot
He prayed to his "God" for that one last big shot
To get into heaven and noT! burn in hell
And God said to Kroo, the trVth you can tell.
A wave of cold fear swept over the Kroo
Admit it he could, whate'er might ensue
"You lied like a dog!" they'd all yell in their glee
But Kroo could see now that the truth sets him free.
And so to the playpen the Kroo bravely went
The email he'd klaimed was by John lately sent
He now did admit was a big crock of lies
No porn had existed, and the Kroo was now wise.
To his "god" up in heaven the Kroo sent his plea
"Oh Lord, won't you please give your mercy to me?"
Then a shrill voice he heard in his red burning ear
"You're Arnii the Krooborg -- you can rot in your fear."
GeoSynch
> 'Twas the night before ...
Pathetic.
John Atkinson
wrote:
> 'Twas the night before Kroodown, and all 'round Goose Puke...
An oldie but goldie, George. But the foe seems long gone,
if not into that dark night, at least somewhere else.
But Harold Ferstler has reemerged, writing equipment
reports for AudioXpress under the title "Reliable Reviews."
Happy Holidays.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
MiNe 109
<f740e2b8-c9f7-4660...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
John Atkinson <stereo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Dec 24, 1:28�pm, George M. Middius <cmndr_geo...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > 'Twas the night before Kroodown, and all 'round Goose Puke...
>
> An oldie but goldie, George. But the foe seems long gone,
> if not into that dark night, at least somewhere else.
>
> But Harold Ferstler has reemerged, writing equipment
> reports for AudioXpress under the title "Reliable Reviews."
He's beating the same old drum, with ossified thoughts about level
matching, pink noise and even that Villchur live-vs-recorded string
quartet demo.
"Reliable." Gotta give him that!
Stephen
George M. Middius
John Atkinson said:
> > 'Twas the night before Kroodown, and all 'round Goose Puke...
>
> An oldie but goldie, George. But the foe seems long gone,
> if not into that dark night, at least somewhere else.
As fate would have it, the Beast dared to show its dirty-brown snout here
yesterday.
> But Harold Ferstler has reemerged, writing equipment
> reports for AudioXpress under the title "Reliable Reviews."
Retirement is like a circular saw with a broken OFF switch.
> Happy Holidays.
Same to you and all the other Normals.
George M. Middius
MiNe 109 said:
> > But Harold Ferstler has reemerged, writing equipment
> > reports for AudioXpress under the title "Reliable Reviews."
>
> He's beating the same old drum, with ossified thoughts about level
> matching, pink noise and even that Villchur live-vs-recorded string
> quartet demo.
Is that the one with the strings on the wrong side of the pit?
> "Reliable." Gotta give him that!
You're not supposed to be awake after reading two of them.
Gary Eickmeier
"John Atkinson" <stereo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:f740e2b8-c9f7-4660...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
Happy Holidays.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
John! Aligning yourself with The Middiot? Calling Howard Ferstler Harold?
Say it ain't so Joe!
Gary Eickmeier
MiNe 109
"Gary Eickmeier" <geic...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Merry Christmas to you too!
Stephen
Bret L
> On Dec 24, 1:28 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr_geo...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > 'Twas the night before Kroodown, and all 'round Goose Puke...
>
> An oldie but goldie, George. But the foe seems long gone,
> if not into that dark night, at least somewhere else.
>
> But Harold Ferstler has reemerged, writing equipment
> reports for AudioXpress under the title "Reliable Reviews."
AudioXPress is sadly in deep trouble as the number of people actually
interested in audio per se has diminished drastically. By comparison,
the high end saloon oriented journals are doing somewhat better
because there are still wealthy males who have to prove they have the
biggest dick in the neighborhood. So, high end equipment sales are
holding on-if anything the market at the very top is improving.
Also DCHA has to be well over 85 and my guess is that when he passes
AudioXPress will print its last issue. It will be a sad day indeed,
sadder all the more because most of you clowns have no idea why.
Ferstler
wrote:
Hi, John,
It is interesting to see that you are still a big wheel in what has
become a borderline moribund hobby.
As for me, I pretty quickly discovered that AudioXpress is sometimes
as goofy as Stereophile (I checked out some of the articles in their
archives), and so I have decided to call it quits with the outfit.
They indicated to me that they are a forum for a wide varietiy of
views, but I see that as being like inviting witch doctors to lecture
at medical conventions.They still have another review article of mine
in the pipeline and that will be it.
So relax, your deceptive little world should remain safe enough from
intrusions from Ferstler. Intrusions from reality are another matter,
of course.
PS: Don't bother trying to get a big-deal debate going here. I am not
going to waste my time with such things. Besides, you need to keep
your nose to the grindstone in order to save your magazine from
behaving like the incredible shrinking man.
Howard Ferstler
Ferstler
wrote:
> In article
> <f740e2b8-c9f7-4660-bdd3-c933547ca...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> John Atkinson <stereoedi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 24, 1:28 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr_geo...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > > 'Twas the night before Kroodown, and all 'round Goose Puke...
>
> > An oldie but goldie, George. But the foe seems long gone,
> > if not into that dark night, at least somewhere else.
>
> > But Harold Ferstler has reemerged, writing equipment
> > reports for AudioXpress under the title "Reliable Reviews."
>
> He's beating the same old drum, with ossified thoughts about level
> matching, pink noise and even that Villchur live-vs-recorded string
> quartet demo.
>
> "Reliable." Gotta give him that!
>
> Stephen
Yo, Stephen. Interesting to see that after me being away for months
and months you still have not found anything better to do with your
life than make smart-assed remarks about me on RAO. Yeah, I am
reliable, and I am also correct.
It is interesting that you found a relatively straightforward article
on setting up speaker levels for intelligent comparison work so "old
drum" in concept. How do you compare speakers, bucko? Do you bother to
level match at all, or do you just guesstimate and then revel in your
conclusions?
As for the Villchur demos, well, you have not a clue what you are
talking about.
Howard Ferstler
Ferstler
wrote:
> "John Atkinson" <stereoedi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Hi, Gary,
You must have time to kill if you are hanging around with these jerks.
Howard Ferstler
Boon
Wow, you sound like you're at the end of your rope.
Boon
You sound bitter. I think you might be able to grab my old job at
TONEAudio. Just don't expect to use me for a reference, Harold.
MiNe 109
<e3e304da-c041-4ff1...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Ferstler <fers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> They still have another review article of mine
> in the pipeline and that will be it.
That's a roundabout way of admitting you're out of ideas.
Stephen
MiNe 109
<94e8026b-51f4-4162...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Ferstler <fers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 24 2009, 5:35�pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr.com>
> wrote:
> > In article
> > <f740e2b8-c9f7-4660-bdd3-c933547ca...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> > �John Atkinson <stereoedi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 24, 1:28�pm, George M. Middius <cmndr_geo...@comcast.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 'Twas the night before Kroodown, and all 'round Goose Puke...
> >
> > > An oldie but goldie, George. But the foe seems long gone,
> > > if not into that dark night, at least somewhere else.
> >
> > > But Harold Ferstler has reemerged, writing equipment
> > > reports for AudioXpress under the title "Reliable Reviews."
> >
> > He's beating the same old drum, with ossified thoughts about level
> > matching, pink noise and even that Villchur live-vs-recorded string
> > quartet demo.
> >
> > "Reliable." Gotta give him that!
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Yo, Stephen. Interesting to see that after me being away for months
> and months you still have not found anything better to do with your
> life than make smart-assed remarks about me on RAO. Yeah, I am
> reliable, and I am also correct.
I made a bunch of other comments that hardly mentioned you at all.
> It is interesting that you found a relatively straightforward article
> on setting up speaker levels for intelligent comparison work so "old
> drum" in concept. How do you compare speakers, bucko? Do you bother to
> level match at all, or do you just guesstimate and then revel in your
> conclusions?
>
> As for the Villchur demos, well, you have not a clue what you are
> talking about.
That would be a failure of your powers of description if you really
think so.
Stephen
MiNe 109
<94e8026b-51f4-4162...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Ferstler <fers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How do you compare speakers, bucko? Do you bother to
> level match at all, or do you just guesstimate and then revel in your
> conclusions?
I don't churn my equipment. In my main system I'm happy with my Quads.
In the tv systems the differences are large enough that level-matching,
etc is too much trouble.
Stephen
Ferstler
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, I sound retired.
Howard Ferstler
Ferstler
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, the last thing I need is to get your old janitorial job.
Howard Ferstler
Ferstler
>
> - Show quoted text -
You are a paradigm of the modern audio expert and enthusiast. I'll bet
you have never done a refined comparison between speakers or between
amps in your life.
Howard Ferstler
Ferstler
>
> Ferstler <ferst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > How do you compare speakers, bucko? Do you bother to
> > level match at all, or do you just guesstimate and then revel in your
> > conclusions?
>
> I don't churn my equipment. In my main system I'm happy with my Quads.
> In the tv systems the differences are large enough that level-matching,
> etc is too much trouble.
>
> Stephen
Too much trouble?. Yep, you are a paradigm of the ignorance is bliss
audio buff.
Howard Ferstler
Ferstler
>
> Ferstler <ferst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > They still have another review article of mine
> > in the pipeline and that will be it.
>
> That's a roundabout way of admitting you're out of ideas.
>
> Stephen
Nope, I am out of patience. The hobby is dead, and it is that way
because of guys like you.
Howard Ferstler
Jenn
<663138dd-2aa6-4760...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>,
Ferstler <fers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Here's a clue, Howard: Most people who like listening to their audio
systems and to music haven't, never will, and don't care to.
Boon
No, you sound tired. Tired and dull, as always.
Boon
>
> Well, the last thing I need is to get your old janitorial job.
I'm sorry...I didn't catch that over the sound of you gnashing your
teeth.
Boon
> In article
> <663138dd-2aa6-4760-bdbb-a86d26cb5...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>,
Amen.
MiNe 109
If by that you mean I've never tried to guess if a string quartet in a
train station is miming or not, you're right.
Stephen
MiNe 109
<42d8622a-ddbd-4363...@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Ferstler <fers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's like Scottie with a new word.
Stephen
MiNe 109
<7cb42e08-9951-4cf9...@35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Ferstler <fers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I bought highly-regarded speakers and run them with inexpensive used
electronics. I prefer to spend my money on recordings and live music but
since I didn't try to do a double-blind level-matched comparo to choose
which hundred dollar center channel speaker to go with my hundred-fifty
dollar theater amp in a kitchen tv system I killed the hobby.
That's not a robust hobby you've got there.
Stephen
Jenn
Ferstler
> systems and to music haven't, never will, and don't care to.
Good point, at least as it relates to people like you. This is one
reason (not the only one, but at least one of the reasons) the hobby
has declined into the muddle it is today. There are two kinds of
primary embracers of the hobby as it now exists.
(1) The kind who go to Best Buy with a small budget, buy some packaged
gear, take it home and enjoy it in blissful ignorance. I actually
admire people like that.
(2) The kind who go to an audio salon with big bucks in hand and
purchase items that look good, sound maybe decent, and which were
possibly praised in some lunatic-fringe magazine report. For people
like this, audio is almost a religious experience that demands as
little rational behavior as possible.
Neither (1) nor (2) has any interest in understanding just why the
gear they have is good (or possibly not so good), with the underlying
motivation based upon blissful ignorance.The first group has many
other things on their minds than audio, and their lack of interest in
the details is actually quite normal. Sometimes blissful ignorance is
a good thing.
On the other hand, the second group continues to baffle me, because so
many of them spend large percentages of their respective net worths on
audio gear, and yet do not take the time to analyze whether or not
their cash outlays (or credit charges) are paying off in absolute
terms. No doubt, they are paying off in terms related to wishful
thinking and speculation, of course, but is that something that is
healthy for anyone? Is it normal for a person who is seriously
interested in a hobby to willfully be ignorant of some of the more
basic concepts around that hobby, or be lacking in any kind of
interest that involves knowing instead of believing? Audio is the only
hobby I know of where many of those supposedly interested in it are
not interested in digging any deeper into the details than what
speculation offers. If that is not the very definition of religion, I
do not know what else is. It is the only hobby I know of where so many
enthusiasts are utterly uninterested in basic epistemology.
Today, most so-called audio enthusiasts are paradigm know-nothings.
Perhaps 20 percent of them are on the ball and aware of the issues and
how to resolve them. The remaining 80 percent are jerks.
And for now I leave you jerks to your various tempests in teapots. I
may drop back in one of these days to again marvel that the same
people continue to rant, rave, and carp by banging on their keyboards.
Howard Ferstler
Harry Lavo
"Ferstler" <fers...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:787bac2f-1d4c-4c7e...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
Howard Ferstler
***************************************************************
Gosh, Howard, three "farewells" in the last hour. Wonderful to see you
back at your old trade.
Good old loveable Howard.
.....NOT.......
Ferstler
> Here's a clue, Howard: Most people who like listening to their audio
> systems and to music haven't, never will, and don't care to.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Good point, at least as it relates to people like you. This is one
Ferstler
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is comic. You are the guy who is here month after month,
voluntarily chained to his computer and ranting and railing, and you
call me, who just dropped in to check for insanity, tired and dull.
Howard Ferstler
Ferstler
>
> - Show quoted text -
Get a life. It is you who gnashes, given that you appear to be
obsessed with hanging around this place day in and day out.
Howard Ferstler
Jenn
<787bac2f-1d4c-4c7e...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Ferstler <fers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 4:55�pm, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article
> >
> > Here's a clue, Howard: �Most people who like listening to their audio
> > systems and to music haven't, never will, and don't care to.
>
> Good point, at least as it relates to people like you.
I think that it's true for the large set of people who listen to music
through their home audio systems. I would even say that it's true for
the smaller set of people who listen "seriously" at home through systems
in which they have a fairly substantial investment.
> This is one
> reason (not the only one, but at least one of the reasons) the hobby
> has declined into the muddle it is today.
Possibly. There are obviously several reasons that the hobby "ain't
what it used to be". The economy, expanded opportunities for home
entertainment, some stupid voodoo products that are a waste of money,
and of course, the iPod generation demanding instant music on the go,
very often stolen by illegal downloading.
> And for now I leave you jerks
For this third time this morning..
MiNe 109
<f6a0cbea-d2e6-4e25...@a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Ferstler <fers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It is you who gnashes,
An IKYABWAI! Well-played, sir! There's the wrecking-ball wit so admired.
Stephen
Harry Lavo
Howard Ferstler
*******************************************************************
Yes, it is a remarkable achievement, isn't it Howard, that you can call
forth that reaction in people after only a few posts.
Think on it.
Then perhaps disappear?
Boon
I'm not chained to my computer. I make a living on it, unlike you.
Boon
According to some of your friends, I'm the one who leaves for extended
periods of time. Perhaps you have me mixed up with someone else you
envy.
Clyde Slick
> In article
> <e3e304da-c041-4ff1-94b7-2def7a939...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Ferstler <ferst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > in the pipeline and that will be it.
>
>
> Stephen
More precisely, that he can't find any new ideas to steal.
Clyde Slick
I did one, that is one more than you did
olgeezer
> On Dec 24 2009, 5:14 pm, John Atkinson <stereoedi...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 24, 1:28 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr_geo...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > 'Twas the night before Kroodown, and all 'round Goose Puke...
>
> > An oldie but goldie, George. But the foe seems long gone,
> > if not into that dark night, at least somewhere else.
>
> > But Harold Ferstler has reemerged, writing equipment
> > reports for AudioXpress under the title "Reliable Reviews."
>
>
> > John Atkinson
> > Editor, Stereophile
>
>
> It is interesting to see that you are still a big wheel in what has
> become a borderline moribund hobby.
>
> As for me, I pretty quickly discovered that AudioXpress is sometimes
> as goofy as Stereophile (I checked out some of the articles in their
> archives), and so I have decided to call it quits with the outfit.
> They indicated to me that they are a forum for a wide varietiy of
> views, but I see that as being like inviting witch doctors to lecture
> in the pipeline and that will be it.
>
> intrusions from Ferstler. Intrusions from reality are another matter,
> of course.
>
> PS: Don't bother trying to get a big-deal debate going here. I am not
> going to waste my time with such things. Besides, you need to keep
> your nose to the grindstone in order to save your magazine from
> behaving like the incredible shrinking man.
>
> Howard Ferstler
Seems to me that allowing a wide range of viewpoints allows the
readership to make up their own minds. That they will, sometimes
choose unwisely is always a possibility, but it is also a challenge.
That you chose to run from the challenge is sad. Having the
witchdoctors speak at medical conventions would only show how lame the
witchdoctors are.
olgeezer
It is fortunate that the state of audio electronics is such that it
hardly matters which amp one buys. Loudspeakers are another subject
altogether and in most instances differences are obvious. They are
and will continue to be the biggest flaw in any audio system.
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
The "audio system" I see in most people's homes these days consists of
an iPod and a docking station. Most people also do not listen to music
on their home theaters. They watch movies.
The majority of those who actually do have and enjoy audio systems get
ridiculed by those who can't afford them for not running scientific
tests to prove that they really like what they like.
Isn't that a stupid situation?
Jenn
<2ab83e6a-85a1-406d...@r19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" <arty...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The "audio system" I see in most people's homes these days consists of
> an iPod and a docking station.
One of our contributors recently said (on another forum) that his mp3
player and Sony MDR-EX85 earbuds "provides sound competetive with any
hi-end system the industry can offer." That's an interesting statement,
I think.
ScottW
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" <artygu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The "audio system" I see in most people's homes these days consists of
> > an iPod and a docking station.
>
> One of our contributors recently said (on another forum) that his mp3
> player and Sony MDR-EX85 earbuds "provides sound competetive with any
> hi-end system the industry can offer." That's an interesting statement,
> I think.
The cost of a soundstage between your ears and one recreated in a
room
has always been orders of magnitude different in cost.
Most the current technical challenges of high end sound in a listening
room become
moot with earbuds/headphones.
Power requirements for live SPL levels are a small fraction of those
required
for a room. Room interactions are eliminated.
Multi-driver crossovers....gone.
Full range low distortion drivers from subsonic to supersonic
frequencies, no problem.
Only drawback is the discomfort of headphones/earbuds and the sound
field between the ears.
Every other objective measure of performance can be relatively cheaply
exceeded (unless you really want to feel the bass as well as hear it)
with
a personal listening system over the typical high end system.
Nothing really new here. The "high-end" doesn't offer performance
improvement to many youngsters who grow up accustomed to the drawbacks
of personal listening devices.
From their perspective a typical box speaker system can't give them
the sound quality they already have at a fraction of the cost.
ScottW
ScottW
Something the typical attendees of a medical convention don't want to
waste
their time on.
ScottW
Boon
want to call it. I've listened to the best of both worlds. The best
headphone systems allow you to hear deeper into a recording, and a
conventional loudspeaker systemis better at recreating the illusion of
a live performance in a three-dimensional space.
I own a couple of great cans (Grado GS-1000 and AKG 701 both modded
with Stefan Audio Arts Equinox cabling), but they're no substitute for
Harbeth Monitor 40s IMO. Plus, headphones can easily damage your
hearing if you aren't careful. Still, I see the advantages of both
sides.
Jenn
<3a7fd327-cfa4-464d...@l11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
ScottW <Scot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:03�am, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <2ab83e6a-85a1-406d-b244-9d50d4c7b...@r19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> > �"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" <artygu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The "audio system" I see in most people's homes these days consists of
> > > an iPod and a docking station.
> >
> > One of our contributors recently said (on another forum) that his mp3
> > player and Sony MDR-EX85 earbuds "provides sound competetive with any
> > hi-end system the industry can offer." �That's an interesting statement,
> > I think.
>
> The cost of a soundstage between your ears and one recreated in a
> room
> has always been orders of magnitude different in cost.
> Most the current technical challenges of high end sound in a listening
> room become
> moot with earbuds/headphones.
Unless, of course:
1. You don't want to listen with headphones
2. You are concerned with other aspects of home audio than just
soundstage.
>
> Power requirements for live SPL levels are a small fraction of those
> required
> for a room. Room interactions are eliminated.
> Multi-driver crossovers....gone.
> Full range low distortion drivers from subsonic to supersonic
> frequencies, no problem.
Really? You can get true bass with earbuds?
>
> Only drawback is the discomfort of headphones/earbuds and the sound
> field between the ears.
> Every other objective measure of performance can be relatively cheaply
> exceeded (unless you really want to feel the bass as well as hear it)
> with
> a personal listening system over the typical high end system.
>
> Nothing really new here. The "high-end" doesn't offer performance
> improvement to many youngsters who grow up accustomed to the drawbacks
> of personal listening devices.
> From their perspective a typical box speaker system can't give them
> the sound quality they already have at a fraction of the cost.
I would agree with that, given what their experience is of a "typical
box speaker."
ScottW
>
>
>
>
>
> ScottW <Scott...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 11:03 am, Jenn <jennconductsREMOVET...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <2ab83e6a-85a1-406d-b244-9d50d4c7b...@r19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" <artygu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The "audio system" I see in most people's homes these days consists of
> > > > an iPod and a docking station.
>
> > > One of our contributors recently said (on another forum) that his mp3
> > > player and Sony MDR-EX85 earbuds "provides sound competetive with any
> > > hi-end system the industry can offer." That's an interesting statement,
> > > I think.
>
> > The cost of a soundstage between your ears and one recreated in a
> > room
> > has always been orders of magnitude different in cost.
> > Most the current technical challenges of high end sound in a listening
> > room become
> > moot with earbuds/headphones.
>
> Unless, of course:
> 1. You don't want to listen with headphones
Then you'll have to pay lots more.
> 2. You are concerned with other aspects of home audio than just
> soundstage.
You misinterpret. Every audio reproduction (re)creates a soundstage.
The quality aspects of that soundstage in personal listening systems
typically exceed in almost any measure you can provide the quality of
sound measured from speakers.
FR (both flatness and range), distortion, dynamic range, peak SPL,
phase errors etc etc.
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>
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> > Power requirements for live SPL levels are a small fraction of those
> > required
> > for a room. Room interactions are eliminated.
> > Multi-driver crossovers....gone.
> > Full range low distortion drivers from subsonic to supersonic
> > frequencies, no problem.
>
> Really? You can get true bass with earbuds?
I dont' know what "true" bass means to you. My earbuds provide clear
solid output below my low hearing limit. They won't shake my gut if
that's "true bass" (which more often than not is a room mode rather
than reproduction of a musical event) but they will reproduce clearly
and effortlessly the organ on Rutter's Requiem.
I've read some of those notes are sub 20 hz.
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> > Only drawback is the discomfort of headphones/earbuds and the sound
> > field between the ears.
> > Every other objective measure of performance can be relatively cheaply
> > exceeded (unless you really want to feel the bass as well as hear it)
> > with
> > a personal listening system over the typical high end system.
>
> > Nothing really new here. The "high-end" doesn't offer performance
> > improvement to many youngsters who grow up accustomed to the drawbacks
> > of personal listening devices.
> > From their perspective a typical box speaker system can't give them
> > the sound quality they already have at a fraction of the cost.
>
> I would agree with that, given what their experience is of a "typical
> box speaker."
Go buy the Sansa clip or any other non-defective player (some
earlier Sansa efforts were defective in design) and some decent
earbuds. You might be surprised how exceptionally good the sound
really is and you don't have to spend a lot to get it. As I said...
$100 will do.
My only real point is that claiming that kids today aren't exposed to
hi-fidelity reproduction of music because they haven't been exposed to
"high-end" equipment
is BS. Most are experiencing music reproduction of far higher
fidelity than you seem to be aware of and is perhaps higher fidelity
than what you have experienced.
ScottW
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> Only drawback is the discomfort of headphones/earbuds and the sound
> field between the ears.
> Every other objective measure of performance can be relatively cheaply
> exceeded (unless you really want to feel the bass as well as hear it)
> with
> a personal listening system over the typical high end system.
Do you feel anything when you see a live performance? I know I do.
Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
LoL.