OT: Paul Ryan for VP

[S. Ross Newport]

Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.

*********************************
Pets are life enriching. TV ratings are not.

[cloud dreamer]

On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.

Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.

..


--

I told you so. You damned fools.

- H.G. Wells

[Ubiquitous]

>Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.

Alas, all the Democrats can do is offer fear-mongering and smears.

And you posted this off-topic article here because?

--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."

[Ubiquitous]

>Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.

Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.

--
"Admittedly, conservatives give as good as they get. The difference
between us and [leftists] is that we can argue as well as inveigh.
They can only hurl invectives." -- Don Feder

[S. Ross Newport]

From: dont.a...@the.messenger (cloud dreamer) Now you have two

neanderthals on the Republican ticket.

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SN: Gives Democrats-- gays and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.

[Irish Mike]

Romney/Ryan are great news for Seniors and their best hope for a secure
future. OTOH, Ryan is very bad news for Obama and his failed economic
record. The key is for Romney/Ryan to leave Obama and his attack dogs to
their Chicago-style gutter politics and get the American people focused on
the critical issues. Which are 40+ straight months of over 8%
unemployment under Obama, the fact that Obama has added $5 trillion
dollars to the national debt , that he pissed away $ hundreds of billions
on his failed stimulus, Solyndra and other boondoggles.

Romney/Ryan - Repeal Obamacare, put Americans back to work, balance the
budget and restore the American economy.

Irish Mike

What terrifies Democrats is having to defend Obama's miserable record,
failed economic policies and lack of leadership. Which is why they are
working so hard to encourage class warfare in this country.

[Irish Mike]

On Aug 11 2012 12:47 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:

> On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> > Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>
>
>
> Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.

By "neandeerthals" you mean Americans Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan that have
actually had real private sector jobs, understand how to create private
sector jobs and know how to control spending and restore the American
economy.

What terrifies Democrats is having to defend Obama's miserable record,
failed economic policies and lack of leadership. Which is why they are
working so hard to encourage class warfare in this country.

Irish Mike

[Irish Mike]

On Aug 11 2012 5:39 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:

> >Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>
> Alas, all the Democrats can do is offer fear-mongering and smears.

[David Johnston]

On 8/11/2012 9:47 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
>> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>
>
>
> Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
>
> ..
>
>

Romney is a lot of things but he's no neanderthal.

[S. Ross Newport]

From: Da...@block.net (David Johnston)

Romney is a lot of things

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SN: Very few of them positive.

[JRStern]

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:00:05 -0400, Newpor...@webtv.net (S. Ross
Newport) wrote:

>Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.

You're happy, I'm happy, must be a great choice.

Find a tv-site commentary to make this thread on-topic and we can go
at it.

J.

[cloud dreamer]

True. After reading Hominids and Humans....I'd have to rate Romney more
along the lines of a slug.

[trotsky]

On 8/11/12 10:47 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
>> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>
>
>
> Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.

You're being kind--I would bet at least $5 that Ryan doesn't have
opposing thumbs.

[trotsky]

On 8/11/12 3:39 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>
> Alas, all the Democrats can do is offer fear-mongering and smears.

When will you bet getting to the part that's TV related, Ubi?

[trotsky]

Cro Magnon, then Whatever gets you through the night, Johnston.

[trotsky]

On 8/11/12 10:04 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> On 11/08/2012 8:58 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 8/11/2012 9:47 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>> On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
>>>> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
>>>
>>> ..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Romney is a lot of things but he's no neanderthal.
>
>
> True. After reading Hominids and Humans....I'd have to rate Romney more
> along the lines of a slug.

With the caveat that slugs are more decisive than Romney.

[cloud dreamer]

But just as slimy.

..

--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us

[Professor Bubba]

In article <w7WdneqqDbqOE7rN...@mchsi.com>, trotsky

Mitt Romney is two bolts in the neck away from Herman Munster, except
that Herman had a much better laugh.

[suzeeq]

Heh. A friend of mine and his father, both dyed in the wool lifelong
Republicans are voting for Obama. Romney doesn't have any substance and
the party is overrun with teapartiers who don't represent what these
gentlemen believe in. Romney and the Tea Party are doing the Republican
side much more harm than good.

[trotsky]

And left some mighty big shoes to fill!

[Professor Bubba]

In article <k08elo$6lj$1...@dont-email.me>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
wrote:

The GOP downticket is in trouble. The party is currently looking at
the loss of 20-25 House seats, and the number is growing. I'm old
enough to remember 1964, when Republicans preferred to go down in
flames rather than appeal to the center.

Romney's already lost; you could feel the air suddenly go out of the
campaign three or four weeks ago, and the convention hasn't even
happened yet. Obama was vulnerable this year; what's going on now must
be driving the GOP leadership nuts.

For his part, Ryan is running for 2016. All he has to do this year is
not screw up and continue to be a good soldier. He can do that, and
that's really all he has to do. He's certainly not a disastrous
choice, as Quayle and Palin were.

[Dano]

"suzeeq" wrote in message news:k08elo$6lj$1...@dont-email.me...

=============================================

The biggest problem Obama has is the deep seated hatred that still exists
and is carefully cultivated in certain elements of the electorate. Far from
a majority...it's still an important factor. It practically guarantees
Romney a certain percentage to start off with.

[cloud dreamer]

Gotta watch out now....once the Republicans realize just how badly
they're going to get beat, their corporate overlords might cause an
economic crash. That would be about the only thing that could dent Obama
at this point.

[Dano]

"cloud dreamer" wrote in message
news:K4-dnc0IwZnzWbrN...@supernews.com...

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Let's not get TOO cocky. It's still way early. They're going to spend a
boatload of money into this battle. We haven't even begun to see the
onslaught of TV advertising you can expect. Repeat lies long enough and a
certain percentage will believe. There is still deep dissatisfaction out
there. If the Repubs ever figure out that the best course for them is to
encourage their own base...to get out the vote for them, rather than this
thinly veiled attempt to suppress the vote for the other side...

[suzeeq]

True, but there's a lot of conservative but moderate Republican voters
who are really turned off by what their party represents in this
election. My friend's father is in his 70s and is really upset by
Republican promises to change or do away with social security. He has
some other retirement income, but not much.

[S. Ross Newport]

From: JRS...@foobar.invalid (JRStern)

Find a tv-site commentary to make this thread on-topic

--------------------------------------
SN: This has to be one of the top TV stories today. Romney makes his
intentions very clear.

[cloud dreamer]

And apparently Ryan wants to completely do away with Medicare.

What a way to make friends with your base.

[S. Ross Newport]

in his 70s and is really upset by Republican promises to change or do

away with social security. And apparently Ryan wants to completely do
away with Medicare.
-----------------------------------------
SN: Will this put Florida back in play? Still, I fear Republicans might
still be able to buy this election.

[Mason Barge]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 09:16:10 -0600, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:

>Dano wrote:
>> "suzeeq" wrote in message news:k08elo$6lj$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> Professor Bubba wrote:
>>> In article <w7WdneqqDbqOE7rN...@mchsi.com>, trotsky
>>> <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/11/12 6:28 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>> On 8/11/2012 9:47 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
>>>>>>> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Romney is a lot of things but he's no neanderthal.
>>>> Cro Magnon, then Whatever gets you through the night, Johnston.
>>>
>>> Mitt Romney is two bolts in the neck away from Herman Munster, except
>>> that Herman had a much better laugh.
>>
>> Heh. A friend of mine and his father, both dyed in the wool lifelong
>> Republicans are voting for Obama. Romney doesn't have any substance and
>> the party is overrun with teapartiers who don't represent what these
>> gentlemen believe in. Romney and the Tea Party are doing the Republican
>> side much more harm than good.
>>

>True, but there's a lot of conservative but moderate Republican voters
>who are really turned off by what their party represents in this
>election. My friend's father is in his 70s and is really upset by
>Republican promises to change or do away with social security. He has
>some other retirement income, but not much.

Well, it's a lot of reasons. I'm not all that crazy about Obama and would
gladly vote for a good Republican candidate, but the Republican Party has
completely lost touch with fiscal reality.

Whenever a party is driven by its more extremist sections, it becomes
downright dangerous. The Repulbicans have descended into a
head-in-the-sand reactionary posture because the "Tea Party" screams so
loud.

When a Republican candidate has the sense to say, plain and simple, that
"I think social security and Medicare need to be protected at all costs"
or something like that, to squelch all these ridiculous rumors, I might
pay more attention.

Do Romeny and his new running mate think normal people cannot see that the
US was in good financial shape in 2000, and then came the Bush tax cuts,
and now we have simultanous horrendous debt and an economic crash? I
mean, they keep talking about government being too big, but everytime they
get into power, spending *increases*.

[Dano]

"Mason Barge" wrote in message
news:ntlf285ffsv1sg497...@4ax.com...

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They ALL claim they're different. Against all evidence to the contrary. I
still urge al to not take this election for granted. Obama's greatest enemy
is apathy and lack of enthusiasm from his own base. I think many moderates
may well stay home. And Obama could have the same thing happen with his own
supporters if they get overconfident. That could make this a tighter race
than we might ordinarily think.

[Irish Mike]

On Aug 12 2012 12:15 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:

> From: JRS...@foobar.invalid (JRStern)
> Find a tv-site commentary to make this thread on-topic
> --------------------------------------
> SN: This has to be one of the top TV stories today. Romney makes his
> intentions very clear.

I agree bucko. Romney/Ryan - Repeal Obamacare, put Americans back to

work, balance the budget and restore the American economy.

Irish Mike

[erilar]

In article <28496-50...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>,

Newpor...@webtv.net (S. Ross Newport) wrote:

TRY to find anything else! It's not as if there were Olympics coverage
worth watching on NBC today, and all the new channels are talking about
nothing but Ryan and Romney.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[erilar]

In article <k06pqt$n4p$1...@dont-email.me>,

No, he's an elitist snob.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[erilar]

In article <k08fn4$en8$1...@dont-email.me>, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> The biggest problem Obama has is the deep seated hatred that still exists
> and is carefully cultivated in certain elements of the electorate. Far from
> a majority...it's still an important factor. It practically guarantees
> Romney a certain percentage to start off with.

In other words, declared and undeclared racists.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[suzeeq]

They've lost touch with a lot of conservative voter's realities too...

> Whenever a party is driven by its more extremist sections, it becomes
> downright dangerous. The Repulbicans have descended into a
> head-in-the-sand reactionary posture because the "Tea Party" screams so
> loud.

Yep.

> When a Republican candidate has the sense to say, plain and simple, that
> "I think social security and Medicare need to be protected at all costs"
> or something like that, to squelch all these ridiculous rumors, I might
> pay more attention.
>
> Do Romeny and his new running mate think normal people cannot see that the
> US was in good financial shape in 2000, and then came the Bush tax cuts,
> and now we have simultanous horrendous debt and an economic crash? I
> mean, they keep talking about government being too big, but everytime they
> get into power, spending *increases*.

They still think Democrats are evil. Or don't have long enough memories.
It seems to me that Republicans actually increase the size of
government, and by cutting taxes they increase the debt.

[Dano]

"erilar" wrote in message
news:drache-C3C318....@news.eternal-september.org...

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He's also willfully clueless as to how "the other half" (really one percent)
actually lives...or should I say survives. I'll bet he never has had even a
friend...or of course a family member...who was not in that exclusive world
of his. Cripes. The guy didn't even recognize a donut.

[Irish Mike]

On Aug 12 2012 3:14 PM, Dano wrote:

> "erilar" wrote in message
> news:drache-C3C318....@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> In article <k06pqt$n4p$1...@dont-email.me>,
> David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>
> > On 8/11/2012 9:47 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> > > On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> > >> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
> > >
> > > ..
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Romney is a lot of things but he's no neanderthal.
>
> No, he's an elitist snob.
>
> =========================================
>
> He's also willfully clueless as to how "the other half" (really one percent)
> actually lives...or should I say survives.

There is a clueless buffoon in the White House right now who doesn't know,
or care, how working Americans live and struggle to survive. Romney and
Ryan have both understand how the private sector works, because they've
worked real jobs. Which is a hell of a lot more than Obama can say.

[David Johnston]

On 8/12/2012 5:05 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 8/11/12 6:28 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 8/11/2012 9:47 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>> On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
>>>> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
>>>
>>> ..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Romney is a lot of things but he's no neanderthal.
>
>
> Cro Magnon,

Ryan is a true idealogue. Romney is a weather vane.

[trotsky]

Johnston, the obvious response here is that you are retarded. When Ryan
is busy being an "idealogue" is he a) a Randian atheist, or b) a
practicing Catholic? Hint: he's alluded to both and you can't be both.
My conclusion? He's just another lying GOP piece of crap.

Come on, an atheist and a Mormon? How far has the GOP sunk from their
"core values"? THEY DON'T STAND FOR ANYTHING.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k06g0m$q0o$2...@dont-email.me>,

Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> >Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
>

> Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.


So what you're saying is, Clodreamer is wrong?

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[S. Ross Newport]

From: ad7...@webnntp.invalid (Irish Mike) Romney/Ryan are great news
for Seniors and their best hope for a secure future.
--------------------------------------
SN: Where's that troll-o-meter when you need it?

[S. Ross Newport]

From: ad7...@webnntp.invalid (Irish Mike) Romney/Ryan - put Americans

back to work, balance the budget

----------------------------------------
SN: You really are brainwashed.

[S. Ross Newport]

From: mason...@gmail.com (Mason Barge) the Republican Party has

completely lost touch with fiscal reality.
Whenever a party is driven by its more extremist sections, it becomes
downright dangerous. The Repulbicans have descended into a
head-in-the-sand reactionary posture because the "Tea Party" screams so

loud. Do Romney and his new running mate think normal people cannot see

that the US was in good financial shape in 2000, and then came the Bush
tax cuts, and now we have simultanous horrendous debt and an economic
crash?

----------------------------------------------
SN: Normal people won't be voting for them.

[cloud dreamer]

On 13/08/2012 3:44 AM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> From: ad7...@webnntp.invalid (Irish Mike) Romney/Ryan are great news
> for Seniors and their best hope for a secure future.
> --------------------------------------
> SN: Where's that troll-o-meter when you need it?

You don't need a meter. You need an air-sickness bag.

Someone should tell seniors that Romney will make them donate 10% of
their income to the Mormon Church.

[Irish Mike]

On Aug 13 2012 9:34 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:

> On 13/08/2012 3:44 AM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> > From: ad7...@webnntp.invalid (Irish Mike) Romney/Ryan are great news
> > for Seniors and their best hope for a secure future.
> > --------------------------------------
> > SN: Where's that troll-o-meter when you need it?
>
>
> You don't need a meter. You need an air-sickness bag.
>
> Someone should tell seniors that Romney will make them donate 10% of
> their income to the Mormon Church.

Well Obama and the Democrats have lied to seniors about everything else,
might as well lie to them about religion as well. BTW, do you think Obama
should tell seniors that Obnamacare will cut $700 billion from their
medical benefits? LOL. Didn't think so.

Irish Mike

Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. If you voted for
Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
prove you're not an idiot.

[S. Ross Newport]

From: TJM...@really.small.penis (cloud dreamer) You don't need a

meter. You need an air-sickness bag.
Someone should tell seniors

--------------------------------------
SN: I just read a Chuck Todd piece in which he says Romney can't win
without Florida.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <hfgnf9x...@news.ezprovider.com>,

So what you're saying then is that Clodreamer is an insane liar?

[trotsky]

Either that or you're just a couple of loser anonyshits that are afraid
the truth.

[Mason Barge]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 12:25:21 -0500, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid>
wrote:

Absolutely and unquestionably. On the other hand, he would get votes from
black voters simply because of his race, except that they tend to vote
heavily Democratic anyway.

And also, white racists tend to vote hevaily Republican. So really, it
isn't so much a matter of changing people's votes as increasing the
emotionalism of the campaign.

If you have candidates of different races, the dialogue is going to be
even stupider than usual.

[Mason Barge]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 12:55:24 -0600, David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
wrote:

Congratulations on the only post in this thread worth reading.

[Dano]

"Mason Barge" wrote in message

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I think you'd find blind hate is a swell motivator to get the vote out.
That's why...even if a candidate won't embrace that openly or fully...they
will shrink at actually taking it on and speaking against it. McCain came
close when he balked at going along with the worst of it. Look where that
got him.

[Dano]

"Mason Barge" wrote in message

news:1nai28daq3usevkb9...@4ax.com...

=====================================

Gee. Thanks. But I guess you're counting your own. :)

[Irish Mike]

On Aug 13 2012 11:57 AM, S. Ross Newport wrote:

> From: TJM...@really.small.penis (cloud dreamer) You don't need a
> meter. You need an air-sickness bag.
> Someone should tell seniors
> --------------------------------------
> SN: I just read a Chuck Todd piece in which he says Romney can't win
> without Florida.

There are several swing states that Romney can not win without. But then,
neither can Obama.
However, in spite all of the lies, distortions and gutter attacks the
Democrats have hurled at
Romney, he still has one advantage. Obama's miserable record, failed

economic policies and lack of leadership.

Irish Mike

[Tom]

On Aug 13, 9:44 am, "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Aug 13 2012 9:34 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>
> > On 13/08/2012 3:44 AM, S. Ross Newport wrote:

> > > From: ad7c...@webnntp.invalid (Irish Mike) Romney/Ryan are great news

> > > for Seniors and their best hope for a secure future.
> > > --------------------------------------
> > > SN: Where's that troll-o-meter when you need it?
>
> > You don't need a meter. You need an air-sickness bag.
>
> > Someone should tell seniors that Romney will make them donate 10% of
> > their income to the Mormon Church.
>
> Well Obama and the Democrats have lied to seniors about everything else,
> might as well lie to them about religion as well.  BTW, do you think Obama
> should tell seniors that Obnamacare will cut $700 billion from their
> medical benefits?  LOL.  Didn't think so.
>
> Irish Mike
>

Cite?

Tom

[Tom]

Well, not really. He's a life-long government employee, received
Social Secirity benefits and his family's business is almost
completely dependent on government spending.

> Romney is a weather vane.

Yep... never points in the same direction twice.

Tom

[Tom]

On Aug 12, 1:37 pm, "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Aug 12 2012 3:14 PM, Dano wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "erilar"  wrote in message
> >news:drache-C3C318....@news.eternal-september.org...
>

> > In article <k06pqt$n4...@dont-email.me>,

> > David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>
> > > On 8/11/2012 9:47 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> > > > On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> > > >> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>
> > > > Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
>
> > > >   ..
>
> > > Romney is a lot of things but he's no neanderthal.
>
> > No, he's an elitist snob.
>
> > =========================================
>
> > He's also willfully clueless as to how "the other half" (really one percent)
> > actually lives...or should I say survives.
>
> There is a clueless buffoon in the White House right now who doesn't know,
> or care, how working Americans live and struggle to survive.  Romney and
> Ryan have both understand how the private sector works, because they've
> worked real jobs.  Which is a hell of a lot more than Obama can say.
>
> Romney/Ryan - Repeal Obamacare, put Americans back to work, balance the
> budget and restore the American economy.
>
> Irish Mike
>

OK, Idiot Mike, listen up... Mr. Ryan has hel two private sector jobs
in his entire life... he worked at McDonald's when he was a kid and he
breifly worked for his family's road building business as a "marketing
consultant." He, much like Michelle Bachmann, has been a government
employee all of his adult life.

He also was on the tax payer dole after his father died; receiving
Social Security survivor benefits.

Finally, his family's business is almost completely dependent on
government spending.

He doesn't pass the laugh test and you don't pass the smell test.

Do you ever know what you're talking about?

Tom

[Adam H. Kerman]

Tom <drs...@aol.com> wrote:

>OK, Idiot Mike, listen up... Mr. Ryan has hel two private sector jobs
>in his entire life... he worked at McDonald's when he was a kid and he
>breifly worked for his family's road building business as a "marketing
>consultant." He, much like Michelle Bachmann, has been a government
>employee all of his adult life.

Well, he worked at two think tanks between periods when he was a
congressional staffer for Jack Kemp. In college, his education was
steered in a particular direction.

>He also was on the tax payer dole after his father died; receiving
>Social Security survivor benefits.

>Finally, his family's business is almost completely dependent on
>government spending.

It should be noted that his grandfather was a lawyer, and his father
wasn't in the heavy contracting business either; forgot what he did.

Ryan's been heavily groomed his whole adult life.

[trotsky]

Then why does his hair look so bad?

[Adam H. Kerman]

trots wrote something funny.

[Dano]

"Tom" wrote in message
news:dd46f01d-a9af-42dc...@k21g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

OK, Idiot Mike, listen up... Mr. Ryan has hel two private sector jobs
in his entire life... he worked at McDonald's when he was a kid and he
breifly worked for his family's road building business as a "marketing
consultant." He, much like Michelle Bachmann, has been a government
employee all of his adult life.

============================================

Another hard working Republican from a "working class" background.

These stories are heart warming examples of the American Dream. Fellows who
came from such "modest" backgrounds...self made men...who worked their ways
up against all odds.

Yeah. Right.

Of course Social Security payments he got after his dad died helped pay for
college for him. Now he looks for way to deny them to others. Even those
who can't afford Colorado ski trips as youths.

[Barb May]

Irish Mike wrote:
> BTW, do you
> think Obama should tell seniors that Obnamacare will cut $700 billion
> from their medical benefits? LOL.

Mike doesn't know when he's lying.

The $700 billion is a cut in the rate of increase, not a cut to existing
benefits and it's cut from payments to providers, not benefits.

Meanwhile Ryan's plan will replace Medicare with a voucher system that
starts out inadequate and over time is reduced to almost nothing --
effectively eliminating Medicare.

--
Barb

[Adam H. Kerman]

Barb May <bar...@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>Irish Mike wrote:

>>BTW, do you
>>think Obama should tell seniors that Obnamacare will cut $700 billion
>>from their medical benefits? LOL.

>Mike doesn't know when he's lying.

>The $700 billion is a cut in the rate of increase, not a cut to existing
>benefits and it's cut from payments to providers, not benefits.

I know I'm being trolled here, but how do you cut payments without cutting
benefits? For instance, Obamacare chose winners and losers. Hospitals were
the huge winners. Doctors? The losers. Would a senior prefer getting adequate
care from his doctor so maybe he puts off going to the hospital as long
as possible?

>Meanwhile Ryan's plan will replace Medicare with a voucher system that
>starts out inadequate and over time is reduced to almost nothing --
>effectively eliminating Medicare.

I think Medicare and Social security pension should be means tested. I
think welfare should be given in the form of cash benefits, like the old
negative income tax suggested in the 1960s by Milton Friedman, and not
services. Let the poor chose which services to buy.

Government, with trillions of debt, is too stupid to tell poor people
how to manage their welfare payments.

[trotsky]

You didn't.

[Tom]

On Aug 13, 12:13 pm, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

> Tom <drso...@aol.com> wrote:
> >OK, Idiot Mike, listen up... Mr. Ryan has hel two private sector jobs
> >in his entire life... he worked at McDonald's when he was a kid and he
> >breifly worked for his family's road building business as a "marketing
> >consultant." He, much like Michelle Bachmann, has been a government
> >employee all of his adult life.
>
> Well, he worked at two think tanks between periods when he was a
> congressional staffer for Jack Kemp. In college, his education was
> steered in a particular direction.

The source I read said he was an intern at that time... thanks for the
update.

> >He also was on the tax payer dole after his father died; receiving
> >Social Security survivor benefits.
> >Finally, his family's business is almost completely dependent on
> >government spending.
>
> It should be noted that his grandfather was a lawyer, and his father
> wasn't in the heavy contracting business either; forgot what he did.

All I could find was his father died at home only because his
secretary called looking for him because "clients" were at his office
for an appointment.

>
> Ryan's been heavily groomed his whole adult life.

Yes he has.

Tom

[Adam H. Kerman]

That worked out as I didn't attempt any jokes. Can you give us an estimated
time at which you'll be shutting the fuck up, trots?

[Adam H. Kerman]

Tom <drs...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Aug 13, 12:13 pm, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Tom <drso...@aol.com> wrote:

>>>[Paul Ryan] also was on the tax payer dole after his father died; receiving

>>>Social Security survivor benefits.
>>>Finally, his family's business is almost completely dependent on
>>>government spending.

>>It should be noted that his grandfather was a lawyer, and his father
>>wasn't in the heavy contracting business either; forgot what he did.

>All I could find was his father died at home only because his
>secretary called looking for him because "clients" were at his office
>for an appointment.

Hm. I read that Paul, then age 12, found the body.

[Mason Barge]

So it's true?

[Mason Barge]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:42:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom <drs...@aol.com> wrote:

>On Aug 12, 1:55 pm, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On 8/12/2012 5:05 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 8/11/12 6:28 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> >> On 8/11/2012 9:47 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>> >>> On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
>> >>>> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>>
>> >>> Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
>>
>> >>>   ..
>>
>> >> Romney is a lot of things but he's no neanderthal.
>>
>> > Cro Magnon,
>>
>> Ryan is a true idealogue.
>
>Well, not really. He's a life-long government employee, received
>Social Secirity benefits and his family's business is almost
>completely dependent on government spending.

How is that, in any way shape or form, not consistent with being an
"idealogue"?

[Not Sure]

On Aug 13, 9:04 am, trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
> On 8/13/12 11:01 AM, anim8rFSK wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > In article <hfgnf9xsse....@news.ezprovider.com>,

> >   "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> On Aug 13 2012 9:34 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>
> >>> On 13/08/2012 3:44 AM, S. Ross Newport wrote:

> >>>> From: ad7c...@webnntp.invalid (Irish Mike) Romney/Ryan are great news

> >>>> for Seniors and their best hope for a secure future.
> >>>> --------------------------------------
> >>>> SN: Where's that troll-o-meter when you need it?
>
> >>> You don't need a meter. You need an air-sickness bag.
>
> >>> Someone should tell seniors that Romney will make them donate 10% of
> >>> their income to the Mormon Church.
>
> >> Well Obama and the Democrats have lied to seniors about everything else,
> >> might as well lie to them about religion as well.  BTW, do you think Obama
> >> should tell seniors that Obnamacare will cut $700 billion from their
> >> medical benefits?  LOL.  Didn't think so.
>
> >> Irish Mike
>
> >> Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country.  If you voted for
> >> Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
> >> prove you're not an idiot.
>
> > So what you're saying then is that Clodreamer is an insane liar?
>
> Either that or you're just a couple of loser anonyshits that are afraid
> the truth.

Afraid the truth? Learn English, dipshit :)

[Not Sure]

On Aug 12, 7:46 am, Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> In article <k08elo$6l...@dont-email.me>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Professor Bubba wrote:
> > > In article <w7WdneqqDbqOE7rNnZ2dnUVZ_sSdn...@mchsi.com>, trotsky

> > > <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On 8/11/12 6:28 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> > >>> On 8/11/2012 9:47 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> > >>>> On 11/08/2012 12:30 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> > >>>>> Gives Democrats-- and seniors, especially-- a lot to work with.
>
> > >>>> Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
>
> > >>>>   ..
>
> > >>> Romney is a lot of things but he's no neanderthal.
>

> > >> Cro Magnon, then  Whatever gets you through the night, Johnston.
>
> > > Mitt Romney is two bolts in the neck away from Herman Munster, except
> > > that Herman had a much better laugh.
>
> > Heh. A friend of mine and his father, both dyed in the wool lifelong
> > Republicans are voting for Obama. Romney doesn't have any substance and
> > the party is overrun with teapartiers who don't represent what these
> > gentlemen believe in. Romney and the Tea Party are doing the Republican
> > side much more harm than good.
>
> The GOP downticket is in trouble.  The party is currently looking at
> the loss of 20-25 House seats, and the number is growing.

No they're not. But continue getting hysterical all the same :)

 I'm old
> enough to remember 1964, when Republicans preferred to go down in
> flames rather than appeal to the center.
>
> Romney's already lost; you could feel the air suddenly go out of the
> campaign three or four weeks ago, and the convention hasn't even
> happened yet.  Obama was vulnerable this year; what's going on now must
> be driving the GOP leadership nuts.
>
> For his part, Ryan is running for 2016.  All he has to do this year is
> not screw up and continue to be a good soldier.  He can do that, and
> that's really all he has to do.  He's certainly not a disastrous
> choice, as Quayle and Palin were.

[Dano]

"Mason Barge" wrote in message

news:qtri28tc5m8n6r3bp...@4ax.com...

==========================================

Maybe it's not. But it surely makes him a hypocrite and a greedy ingrate in
my book.

[Barb May]

Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Barb May <bar...@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>> Irish Mike wrote:
>
>>> BTW, do you
>>> think Obama should tell seniors that Obnamacare will cut $700
>>> billion from their medical benefits? LOL.
>
>> Mike doesn't know when he's lying.
>
>> The $700 billion is a cut in the rate of increase, not a cut to
>> existing benefits and it's cut from payments to providers, not
>> benefits.
>
> I know I'm being trolled here,

Oh please. Don't flatter yourself.

> but how do you cut payments without
> cutting benefits?

1. By cutting "fraud, waste and abuse." And yes, that is just an exuse
for not giving specifics, but OTOH there is a lot of fraud, waste and
abuse that can be cut. I'll give an example: many seniors will call 911
and ask for an ambulance to come to their house just because they don't
want to go to the emergency room and wait in line. Here's another
example: Companies that advertise that you can get one of those scooters
(etc) if you want one (regardless of actual need) at no cost to you.
Here's one more example: Much of the Medicare billing near the end of
life is wasted on people who don't get any benefit from it, because
providers see Medicare patients as cash cows. We're spending way too
much on end of life care that could be used on preventative care.

2. Reducing payments to providers for specific treatments is not the
same as cutting benefits.
3. Reducing planned increases in payments to providers are not "cuts."

The down side to #2 & #3 is that more providers will refuse to accept
Medicare patients, but some trade-offs will be necessary in order to
achieve the cuts.

Obamacare actually increases healthcare coverage for seniors by
eliminating the "donut hole"
as well as out-of-pocket costs for annual wellness visits, some cancer
screenings and other preventive services.

Ryan's plan actually keeps the cuts but he uses the money for "deficit
reduction" which, since his plan actually increases the deficit, means
that he is really using the money to finance his tax cuts for the
wealthy. And of course since he wants to eliminate Obamacare, he would
be eliminating the donut hole coverage, wellness visits, cancer
screenings, and other preventative services.

> For instance, Obamacare chose winners and losers.
> Hospitals were the huge winners. Doctors? The losers.

The biggest winners are the insurance and pharma companies.

> Would a senior
> prefer getting adequate care from his doctor so maybe he puts off
> going to the hospital as long
> as possible?

Everyone would prefer that, including the uninsured. The question is,
how best to pay for it without going broke.

>
>> Meanwhile Ryan's plan will replace Medicare with a voucher system
>> that starts out inadequate and over time is reduced to almost
>> nothing -- effectively eliminating Medicare.
>
> I think Medicare and Social security pension should be means tested. I
> think welfare should be given in the form of cash benefits, like the
> old negative income tax suggested in the 1960s by Milton Friedman,
> and not services. Let the poor chose which services to buy.
>
> Government, with trillions of debt, is too stupid to tell poor people
> how to manage their welfare payments.

Government is not totally incompetent at providing benefits when
politicians aren't involved. Meanwhile, many poor people don't make good
choices when you just hand them money. If you want to do that it'll have
to be phased in slowly.

--
Barb

[Tom]

On Aug 13, 4:21 pm, Mason Barge <masonba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "idealogue"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I find it hard to reconcile his belief in small, limited government
while being a lifelong government employee. The two concepts seem to
be contradictory. I also find it contradictory that the family
business is dependent on the government, when, as Ronald Reagan said,
"Gummint is the problem."

It just seems to me that Mr. Ryan wants it both ways without having to
admit it.

Tom

[Tom]

> my book.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah, there's that, too.

Tom

[S. Ross Newport]

From: mason...@gmail.com (Mason Barge) the only post in this thread
worth reading.
--------------------------------------
SN: I strongly disagree with that.

*********************************
Pets are life enriching. TV ratings are not.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Barb May <bar...@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Barb May <bar...@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:
>>>Irish Mike wrote:

>>>>BTW, do you
>>>>think Obama should tell seniors that Obnamacare will cut $700
>>>>billion from their medical benefits? LOL.

>>>Mike doesn't know when he's lying.

>>>The $700 billion is a cut in the rate of increase, not a cut to
>>>existing benefits and it's cut from payments to providers, not
>>>benefits.

>>I know I'm being trolled here,

>Oh please. Don't flatter yourself.

You weren't trolling just me, but I'm the only one who bit.

>>but how do you cut payments without cutting benefits?

>1. By cutting "fraud, waste and abuse."

Hahahahahahahahahaha

If we cut waste, fraud, and abuse from the Pentagon budget, there might
be enough money to increase domestic civilian spending by 1/3, if
spent wisely, which it never is.

>2. Reducing payments to providers for specific treatments is not the
>same as cutting benefits.

So, you're just repeating back what you said without answering the question.
I didn't actually expect a decent answer, so you didn't disappoint.

Some hospitals face a situation in which they must keep surgeons on call
to provide emergency services, but they can't afford to keep surgeons
with the right specialty on call for common traumas treated on an
emergency basis.

That would be cardiovascular surgeons and neurosurgeons.

A patient with head and neck trauma is brought in for emergency surgery.
He's seen by a general surgeon, whose skills are adequate to keeping the
patient alive, but not good enough to avoid serious outcomes, and the
patient may survive with a poor quality of life. This is, in part, the
fault of insurance companies and especially Medicare/Medicaid, which
insurance companies tend to slavishly follow, so payments for a certain
type of surgery are inadequate to cover the actual cost of giving the
patient the treatment he needs. Therefore, the patient doesn't get
what he needs.

But keep denying that payment reductions aren't equivalent to
cutting benefits. Obamacare does fuckall for cutting the basic cost
of treatment, and really isn't intended to.

>3. Reducing planned increases in payments to providers are not "cuts."

Same comment, given that this is irrelevant in a system in which costs
aren't controlled.

>The down side to #2 & #3 is that more providers will refuse to accept
>Medicare patients, but some trade-offs will be necessary in order to
>achieve the cuts.

And when those providers are doctors? It's actually worth paying doctors
more so that patients receive adequate care, again, putting off as long
as possible hospitalization when inevitable.

>Obamacare actually increases healthcare coverage for seniors by
>eliminating the "donut hole"

That applied to drugs, nothing else. Seniors on Medicare supplements
weren't subject to the donut hole, and those for whom drugs were truly
unaffordable were on Medicaid. It rather shifts monies around among
plans seniors are typically on. Will it make the supplemental plans cheaper?
Possibly. Does it make any difference if the drugs are charged to a Medicare
versus a Medicaid plan? No.

>as well as out-of-pocket costs for annual wellness visits, some cancer
>screenings and other preventive services.

It's not at all clear that doctors, themselves, will be making more money
for these visits, given the way they are subject to charge limits, which
cuts the visits short.

Cancer screenings, well, that's money to hospitals, isn't it.

>Ryan's plan actually keeps the cuts but he uses the money for "deficit
>reduction" which, since his plan actually increases the deficit, means
>that he is really using the money to finance his tax cuts for the
>wealthy. And of course since he wants to eliminate Obamacare, he would
>be eliminating the donut hole coverage, wellness visits, cancer
>screenings, and other preventative services.

>>For instance, Obamacare chose winners and losers.
>>Hospitals were the huge winners. Doctors? The losers.

>The biggest winners are the insurance and pharma companies.

I don't see insurance companies as the winners, given that they'll be
forced to take patients as policyholders who will cost them real money.

Big drugs? Yeah, given that they still get out of the federal government
negotiating mass purchases, sigh.

>>Would a senior
>>prefer getting adequate care from his doctor so maybe he puts off
>>going to the hospital as long
>>as possible?

>Everyone would prefer that, including the uninsured. The question is,
>how best to pay for it without going broke.

No, the question is Why don't we reduce hospital payments and give more
money to doctors for clinic visits as that would save the system money
in the long run? Not to mention giving patients better outcomes...

But who cares. Patients don't have lobbies as powerful as the lobby for
big hospitals.

>>>Meanwhile Ryan's plan will replace Medicare with a voucher system
>>>that starts out inadequate and over time is reduced to almost
>>>nothing -- effectively eliminating Medicare.

>>I think Medicare and Social security pension should be means tested. I
>>think welfare should be given in the form of cash benefits, like the
>>old negative income tax suggested in the 1960s by Milton Friedman,
>>and not services. Let the poor chose which services to buy.

>>Government, with trillions of debt, is too stupid to tell poor people
>>how to manage their welfare payments.

>Government is not totally incompetent at providing benefits when
>politicians aren't involved.

I'm unfamiliar with how Congress can pass a law creating a program
without politicians being involved. This isn't France, in which Napolean
could impose a new code of law by fiat.

>Meanwhile, many poor people don't make good choices when you just hand
>them money. If you want to do that it'll have to be phased in slowly.

I like your "The poor are lazy and stupid" theory. When lots of powerful
people begin thinking that way, it leads to horrors like eugenics.

Yes, a few of them will gamble or take drugs, in lieu of buying food,
clothing and shelter. I'd rather assume that they are adults who'd like
to be part of the middle class, except for unemployment problems, and could
use a bit of cash till they get back on their feet.

I'd like to think that giving them cash will allow them to make their own
decisions and behave like normal consumers. For instance, with cash in
lieu of Section 8 vouchers, they'll demand better housing, instead of a
landlord charging market rent to the tenant plus a supplement from the
housing authority to provide housing in a building that's been inadequately
maintained for years. Cash in lieu of food stamps, they should have a
choice of grocery stores to shop in. Cash in lieu of Medicaid, they could
get better doctors and maybe buy their own health insurance. But let them
make decisions for themselves. Once they learn basic life lessons, maybe
they'll work their way into the middle class... and remain there.

This'll create massive unemployment among welfare bureaucrats and
social workers who aren't qualified for private sector jobs, but oh well.

[S. Ross Newport]

From: ad7...@webnntp.invalid (Irish Mike) <<<SN: I just read a Chuck

Todd piece in which he says Romney can't win without Florida.>>>

------------------------------------

There are several swing states that Romney can not win without. But
then, neither can Obama.

-------------------------------------
SN: Actually, there is a scenario with Obama winning without Florida.

[trotsky]

I find that all this talk about Ryan further proves my point that nobody
has a goddamned thing to say about Romney. He must be the least
interesting candidate in history.

[trotsky]

On 8/13/12 9:32 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> From: mason...@gmail.com (Mason Barge) the only post in this thread
> worth reading.
> --------------------------------------
> SN: I strongly disagree with that.

Has "Mason" ever said anything worth agreeing with?

[trotsky]

On 8/13/12 9:57 AM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> From: TJM...@really.small.penis (cloud dreamer) You don't need a

> meter. You need an air-sickness bag.
> Someone should tell seniors

> --------------------------------------

> SN: I just read a Chuck Todd piece in which he says Romney can't win
> without Florida.

Yes, but Ryan is sure to bring in the bad hair vote.

[trotsky]

On 8/11/12 6:51 PM, anim8rFSK wrote:
>
> In article <k06g0m$q0o$2...@dont-email.me>,

> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>>> Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
>>

>> Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
>
>
> So what you're saying is, Clodreamer is wrong?



It's a tough call, but I would say that Anim8r is the most consistently
useless poster on this group.

[S. Ross Newport]

From: gms...@email.com (trotsky)

It's a tough call, but I would say that Anim8r is the most consistently
useless poster on this group.

-----------------------------------------
SN: He's definitely on the short list.

[S. Ross Newport]

From: gms...@email.com (trotsky)

all this talk about Ryan further proves my point that nobody has a
goddamned thing to say about Romney

----------------------------------------
SN: Except "who knows which Romney we'd be getting?" This pick suggests
the worst one possible.

[Tom]

On Aug 14, 8:36 am, trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
> On 8/13/12 9:57 AM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
>

> > From: TJM....@really.small.penis (cloud dreamer) You don't need a
> > meter. You need an air-sickness bag.
> > Someone should tell seniors
> > --------------------------------------
> > SN: I just read a Chuck Todd piece in which he says Romney can't win
> > without Florida.
>
> Yes, but Ryan is sure to bring in the bad hair vote.

I think you're on to something...

http://tinyurl.com/3fjbv4e

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/3/29/7f6182ba-3c0d-4055-8554-95cd1c157055.jpg

Tom

[cloud dreamer]

On 14/08/2012 12:43 PM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> From: gms...@email.com (trotsky)
> all this talk about Ryan further proves my point that nobody has a
> goddamned thing to say about Romney
> ----------------------------------------
> SN: Except "who knows which Romney we'd be getting?" This pick suggests
> the worst one possible.

Yeah. The one that will legislate a mandatory 10% donation from
everyone's income to the Mormon church.

;]


--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us

[trotsky]

On 8/14/12 10:13 AM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> From: gms...@email.com (trotsky)
> all this talk about Ryan further proves my point that nobody has a
> goddamned thing to say about Romney
> ----------------------------------------
> SN: Except "who knows which Romney we'd be getting?" This pick suggests
> the worst one possible.

That's the only thing I find interesting about him: if he was still the
same guy as he was as Gov. of Massachusetts, he could conceivably give
Obama a run for his money. Now that he's in Etch-A-Sketch mode,
however, I just see a bunch of Pavlov's Dogs voting for him and nothing
else.

[trotsky]

On 8/14/12 10:15 AM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> From: gms...@email.com (trotsky)
> It's a tough call, but I would say that Anim8r is the most consistently
> useless poster on this group.
> -----------------------------------------
> SN: He's definitely on the short list.

It's a tough choice, but I think he wins by the sheer volume of
horseshit he posts. We tend to ignore it because he's such a loser, but
I think he posts significantly more than any of the other contenders.

[cloud dreamer]

I'd third that sentiment.

..

[Mason Barge]

I see. So it's more what I would call hypocritical. Not practicing what
one preaches.

[Remysun]

On Aug 13, 11:22 pm, NewportsRe...@webtv.net (S. Ross Newport) wrote:
> From: ad7c...@webnntp.invalid (Irish Mike) <<<SN: I just read a Chuck

> Todd piece in which he says Romney can't win without Florida.>>>
> ------------------------------------
> There are several swing states that Romney can not win without. But
> then, neither can Obama.
> -------------------------------------
> SN: Actually, there is a scenario with Obama winning without Florida.

The main thing is incumbent advantage. Obama won the key swing states
and then some, so an 89 electoral swing is needed, and is probably
very hard to accomplish. Romney/Ryan is an attack at two Demo
strongholds, but might be the embarassment if they can't turn neither
over, a la Gore could have won if he held his home state of Tennessee.

[BTR1701]

In article <mImdnfk397eJG7fN...@supernews.com>,

cloud dreamer <TJM...@really.small.penis> wrote:

> On 14/08/2012 2:31 PM, trotsky wrote:
> > On 8/14/12 10:15 AM, S. Ross Newport wrote:
> >> From: gms...@email.com (trotsky)
> >> It's a tough call, but I would say that Anim8r is the most consistently
> >> useless poster on this group.
> >> -----------------------------------------
> >> SN: He's definitely on the short list.
> >
> >
> > It's a tough choice, but I think he wins by the sheer volume of
> > horseshit he posts. We tend to ignore it because he's such a loser, but
> > I think he posts significantly more than any of the other contenders.
> >
>
> I'd third that sentiment.

Then again, you're always wrong.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <atropos-DC268B...@news-europe.giganews.com>,

The only way Clodreamer could be wronger would be if she were agreeing
with Trotsky.

Oh. Wait ...

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[trotsky]

Asshole alert.

x2

[Tom]

On Aug 14, 1:01 pm, Mason Barge <masonba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> one preaches.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, yeah, I guess so. Shouldn't an idealogue be a true believer and
avoid being a hypocrite?

Maybe we're just debating semantics now.

Tom

[David Barnett]

In article <atropos-DC268B.13190514082012@news-
europe.giganews.com>, atr...@mac.com says...

LOL

I like anim8r's posts, but there are a lot of other
posters I like also.
If there is a big thread I mainly read anim8r's posts in
it, and don't bother with a lot of the other posts (in
it).

--
David Barnett

[anim8rFSK]

In article <MPG.2a95b5eee...@news.bigpond.com>,

Yay me! :)

[Ubiquitous]

anim...@cox.net wrote:
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

>> >Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
>>
>> Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
>
>So what you're saying is, Clodreamer is wrong?

Isn't she always?

--
"The sky was low and heavy, like the brow of a retarded child."

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k0fov6$fit$7...@dont-email.me>,

Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> anim...@cox.net wrote:
> > Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
> >> >Not surprising. Now you have two neanderthals on the Republican ticket.
> >>
> >> Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
> >
> >So what you're saying is, Clodreamer is wrong?
>
> Isn't she always?

so far

[Mason Barge]

Yay ewe! There are like 3 1/2 people who don't like you, me, or anybody
else except perhaps each other and who almost never have anything to say
about television.

[S. Ross Newport]

Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
So what you're saying is, Clodreamer is wrong? Isn't she always?

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SN: This shit is SO tired.