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From: suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
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Subject: Re: Fringe is building to something good (spoilers)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:30:18 -0700
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anim8rFSK wrote:
> In article <k7n3ri$8v...@dont-email.me>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>> suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> a...@chinet.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jazzyJack <jazzyjackki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally had a chance to catch up with last week's post-Etta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> episode.  The Observers' Borg-like nature could have been 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inserted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the show's continuity in any season. But I feel that saving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reveal for the last few episodes was nicely timed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And having Peter desperately experiment on himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was entirely consistent with the behaviors Walter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has often displayed. The experiment has to go wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I hope it won't be in the now-cliched manner of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter-loses-his-humanity-and-becomes-what-he-started-out-fighting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter becoming the "first Observer" would also be a tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, the emotional core of the story remains strong. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that was very Walter-like. I would predict that he becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first Observer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I never thought of that either.
>>>>>>>>>>> See, if Peter becomes Walter, he's got to break things. The mere 
>>>>>>>>>>> act of
>>>>>>>>>>> not inserting future tech into his brain would have made the 
>>>>>>>>>>> Observers
>>>>>>>>>>> vanish.
>>>>>>>>>>> This, of course, cannot be reconciled with how Peter was the key 
>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>> of the story based on Walter kidnapping him from the alternate 
>>>>>>>>>>> universe
>>>>>>>>>>> out of grief for the death of his own son.
>>>>>>>>>> Peter's important to the whole thing. By saving him as a boy,
>>>>>>>>>> it threw a monkey wrench in the Observers plans to take over
>>>>>>>>>> earth. That's why they've been trying to get rid of him - he's
>>>>>>>>>> the key to their demise.
>>>>>>>>> Well, yeah, but that happened to be due to the Machine that just 
>>>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>>>> to be created to work with his body and no one else's, still yet to
>>>>>>>>> be explained in a way that doesn't give me a headache.
>>>>>>>> We've gone beyond that; The Machine was for saving the two universes 
>>>>>>>> anyway, not destroying the Observers.
>>>>>>> You don't see Peter's created a paradox?
>>>>>>> I haven't seen "Through the Looking Glass and What Walter Found There",
>>>>>>> so these comments apply to the previous episode. I'd ask anyone 
>>>>>>> commenting
>>>>>>> on the later episode to start an unrelated thread.
>>>>>> I wasn't commenting about any particular episode really. Peter's created 
>>>>>> a paradox where? Last season or this one? Last season he disappeared 
>>>>> >from both universes and didn't exist, so he couldn't have met himself 
>>>>>> anywhere when he came back from between them or wherever he was. This 
>>>>>> year, hard to say yet.
>>>>> What do you think learning to use and then to recreate future tech is?
>>>>> That makes Peter the creator of the technology that gives The Observers
>>>>> their magical powers, tech he couldn't have created if he hadn't taken
>>>>> it from a corpse.
>>>> That's a paradox?
>>> The technology has no point of origin.
>> Hmmmm, will have to think on that. I always thought paradox was that a 
>> person couldn't be in the same place at the same time.
> 
> I'm always in the same place at the same time!

I meant two of oneself in the same place... silly boy.