Last Resort 11/15 (Spoiler)

[Charles H. Sampson]

O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
bunch of the enlisted girls.

While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
show is approaching the end for me.

Charlie
--
Nobody in this country got rich on his own. You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for. You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward. Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

[cloud dreamer]

On 16/11/2012 6:53 AM, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
> submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
> mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
> bunch of the enlisted girls.
>
> While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
> show is approaching the end for me.
>
> Charlie
>

That beach scene was between the girl and the Seal. Technically, he's
not a member of the crew. He was only getting a ride.

And officers having a beer with the "men" is not unheard of in the field.

And it all comes down to "what the CO doesn't know, won't hurt him."

If you think this kind of thing doesn't go on with troops in the field,
I have a surprise for you.

..

[Hunter]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:23:26 -0800, csam...@inetworld.net (Charles H.
Sampson) wrote:

> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
>submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
>mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
>bunch of the enlisted girls.

-----
It was to blow off steam and bond with the crew. An officer can have a
good time with her/his crew. It is not as if they were going to have a
lesbian make out party. And it is not exactly a normal
situation/mission. What is band is romantic laisons which Ironically
leads me to believe Cortez and Captain Chaplin had/have something
going in addition to her being a CIA agent. I doubted it was her last
week but it turned out to be true. On the other hand those really
were girl feet running away and she wasn't part of the conspiracy as I
suspected.

The Seal and Lt. Shepard technically aren't crew mates for those who
are wondering about they hooking up for a tryst.

>
> While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
>show is approaching the end for me.

-----
More specific please..

------>Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907

[Obveeus]

"cloud dreamer" <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
> On 16/11/2012 6:53 AM, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
>> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
>> submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
>> mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
>> bunch of the enlisted girls.
>>
>> While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
>> show is approaching the end for me.
>

> That beach scene was between the girl and the Seal. Technically, he's not
> a member of the crew. He was only getting a ride.
>
> And officers having a beer with the "men" is not unheard of in the field.
>
> And it all comes down to "what the CO doesn't know, won't hurt him."
>
> If you think this kind of thing doesn't go on with troops in the field, I
> have a surprise for you.

So, did anyone pick up a vibe that the Captain and the CIA mole have had
some sort of physical relationship in the past? I'm guessing that that was
how she got this sub assignment in the first place.

[Ian J. Ball]

In article <1ktmrpj.5dtoxs15ycq4mN%csam...@inetworld.net>,

csam...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) wrote:

> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
> submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
> mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
> bunch of the enlisted girls.
>
> While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
> show is approaching the end for me.

Totally agree - there was so much stupid in this episode, it's hard to
narrow it all down: 1) Lt. Daisy Betts with the girls (as you state), 2)
Daisy jumping the SEAL guy (and him jumping her when he's already got a
girl he likes), 3) the scene between the Capt. and Rodriguez (WTF was
*that*?!), 4) the lawyer guy not figuring out his cover was blown with
Scott Speedman's wife, and my personal fave: 5) WHY THE HELL IS THAT
LITTLE SHIT OF AN ISLAND THUG STILL ALIVE??!!

I'll keeping watching this show, cos... well, it either this or "Vampire
Diaries" and I actually find this show's stupidity less offensive.

But this show quickly raced to the bottom early this season - you know
you're at the bottom of the barrel when "Revolution" is a more
believable show... :/

--
"Surf-crazed aliens... Of course." - Amber, "Alien Surf Girls",
Episode #1.1, "Wipeout".
Wait a minute... "Of course"?! "*Of course*"?!! Did I miss a step here??!!

[Hunter]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:52:19 -0330, cloud dreamer
<red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:

>On 16/11/2012 6:53 AM, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
>> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
>> submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
>> mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
>> bunch of the enlisted girls.
>>
>> While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
>> show is approaching the end for me.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>
>
>That beach scene was between the girl and the Seal. Technically, he's
>not a member of the crew. He was only getting a ride.

----
True.

>
>And officers having a beer with the "men" is not unheard of in the field.

----
Especially in war time and the crew of the Colorado are technicaly at
war.

>
>And it all comes down to "what the CO doesn't know, won't hurt him."

-----
I don't think Chaplin would mind at all.

>
>If you think this kind of thing doesn't go on with troops in the field,
>I have a surprise for you.

------
All the time. As I said itis a way to blow off steam and bond with the
crew, especially after what they have gone through. ..

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k85eqr$m41$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

Yeah. Ptui.

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[anim8rFSK]

In article
<ijball-NO_SPAM-159...@news.eternal-september.org>,

"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1ktmrpj.5dtoxs15ycq4mN%csam...@inetworld.net>,
> csam...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) wrote:
>
> > O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
> > submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
> > mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
> > bunch of the enlisted girls.
> >
> > While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
> > show is approaching the end for me.

I just told Peachinski that LAST RESORT, REVOLUTION, and BEAUTY AND THE
BEAST may have all reached their 'too stupid to watch' thresholds.

>
> Totally agree - there was so much stupid in this episode, it's hard to
> narrow it all down: 1) Lt. Daisy Betts with the girls (as you state), 2)
> Daisy jumping the SEAL guy (and him jumping her when he's already got a
> girl he likes),

What we learned from this episode: If a girl lets down her hair, she's
'hot to trot'

3) the scene between the Capt. and Rodriguez (WTF was
> *that*?!),

Foreshadowing for something we never care to see?

4) the lawyer guy not figuring out his cover was blown with
> Scott Speedman's wife, and my personal fave: 5) WHY THE HELL IS THAT
> LITTLE SHIT OF AN ISLAND THUG STILL ALIVE??!!

3 times this ep they should have killed him, BEFORE he hobbled the
Terminator.

The reason they can't kill him is because the islanders will start
terrorizing them if he's dead? He's ALREADY kidnapping and murdering
your crew!!!

And, really, how many of the submariners were drug addicts that they're
a substantial part of this guy's business, after a week or two?

>
> I'll keeping watching this show, cos... well, it either this or "Vampire
> Diaries" and I actually find this show's stupidity less offensive.
>
> But this show quickly raced to the bottom early this season - you know
> you're at the bottom of the barrel when "Revolution" is a more
> believable show... :/

Um ... did you WATCH this week's REV yet?

Now, here's a question for you ... WHY do they assume they'll find the
key? WHY is she keeping the key?? The entire purpose was to cripple
the Colorado's missile firing capability, right? SO TOSS THE DAMN THING
OVERBOARD. Don't HIDE it. This isn't an immunity idol on Survivor! At
what point can the plan be to allow the Colorado to nuke the United
State again? And why is the OTHER key a target?

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <1ktmrpj.5dtoxs15ycq4mN%csam...@inetworld.net>,
>> csam...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) wrote:
>>
>> > O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
>> > submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
>> > mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
>> > bunch of the enlisted girls.
>> >
>> > While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now?
>> > This
>> > show is approaching the end for me.
>
> I just told Peachinski that LAST RESORT, REVOLUTION, and BEAUTY AND THE
> BEAST may have all reached their 'too stupid to watch' thresholds.

BatB hit that threshold in the first episode. LAST RESORT is still winning
the race for most stupid vs. REVOLUTION.

>> Totally agree - there was so much stupid in this episode, it's hard to
>> narrow it all down: 1) Lt. Daisy Betts with the girls (as you state), 2)
>> Daisy jumping the SEAL guy (and him jumping her when he's already got a
>> girl he likes),
>
> What we learned from this episode: If a girl lets down her hair, she's
> 'hot to trot'

I think that only works on SEALS. Normal men just want them to let their
top down.

> 3) the scene between the Capt. and Rodriguez (WTF was
>> *that*?!),
>
> Foreshadowing for something we never care to see?

Amen.

> 4) the lawyer guy not figuring out his cover was blown with
>> Scott Speedman's wife, and my personal fave: 5) WHY THE HELL IS THAT
>> LITTLE SHIT OF AN ISLAND THUG STILL ALIVE??!!
>
> 3 times this ep they should have killed him, BEFORE he hobbled the
> Terminator.
>
> The reason they can't kill him is because the islanders will start
> terrorizing them if he's dead? He's ALREADY kidnapping and murdering
> your crew!!!

Yep. At the point where the mafia kingpin assassinated that first hostage,
it should have been clear that he needed to die. Let the next mafia boss
decide if he wants to up the ante or play nice. And, of course, the
obvious: stop letting all the sub crew wander around the island and this
stuff wouldn't happen.

> And, really, how many of the submariners were drug addicts that they're
> a substantial part of this guy's business, after a week or two?

Most military people have substance abuse problems, so at least that part is
accurate...though I'd guess that alcohol, marijuana, and steroids are more
common than cocaine and um...what was it the C.O.B. is addicted too, again?
Morphine?

>> I'll keeping watching this show, cos... well, it either this or "Vampire
>> Diaries" and I actually find this show's stupidity less offensive.
>>
>> But this show quickly raced to the bottom early this season - you know
>> you're at the bottom of the barrel when "Revolution" is a more
>> believable show... :/
>
> Um ... did you WATCH this week's REV yet?

Still more substanative than LAST RESORT and LAST RESORT is set in a world
that should be much easier to portray realistically.

> Now, here's a question for you ... WHY do they assume they'll find the
> key? WHY is she keeping the key?? The entire purpose was to cripple
> the Colorado's missile firing capability, right? SO TOSS THE DAMN THING
> OVERBOARD. Don't HIDE it. This isn't an immunity idol on Survivor! At
> what point can the plan be to allow the Colorado to nuke the United
> State again? And why is the OTHER key a target?

This must tie into the concept that there is more than one 'faction' out
there in the political world. One group might want to disarm the Colorado
so that they can fire a missle at her and sink her while the doors are
closed, but the other group might want to obtain the second key so that they
can fire missiles at some intended target of their own (maybe with better
aim on Washington DC?)

[David Loewe, Jr.]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:23:26, csam...@inetworld.net (Charles H.
Sampson) wrote:

> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
>submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
>mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
>bunch of the enlisted girls.

There were boat functions of that type where everyone showed up when I
was on-board Michigan.

> While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
>show is approaching the end for me.

--
"And so it was that later
As the Miller told his tale
That her face, at first just ghostly
Turned a whiter shade of pale"
Keith Reid & Gary Brooker

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k866nn$f94$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <1ktmrpj.5dtoxs15ycq4mN%csam...@inetworld.net>,
> >> csam...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) wrote:
> >>
> >> > O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
> >> > submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
> >> > mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
> >> > bunch of the enlisted girls.
> >> >
> >> > While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now?
> >> > This
> >> > show is approaching the end for me.
> >
> > I just told Peachinski that LAST RESORT, REVOLUTION, and BEAUTY AND THE
> > BEAST may have all reached their 'too stupid to watch' thresholds.
>
> BatB hit that threshold in the first episode. LAST RESORT is still winning
> the race for most stupid vs. REVOLUTION.

I still think they're leap frogging every week, but LR is certainly
winning now.

>
> >> Totally agree - there was so much stupid in this episode, it's hard to
> >> narrow it all down: 1) Lt. Daisy Betts with the girls (as you state), 2)
> >> Daisy jumping the SEAL guy (and him jumping her when he's already got a
> >> girl he likes),
> >
> > What we learned from this episode: If a girl lets down her hair, she's
> > 'hot to trot'
>
> I think that only works on SEALS. Normal men just want them to let their
> top down.

I wish Dichen would put it back on; really sick of the tats.

>
> > 3) the scene between the Capt. and Rodriguez (WTF was
> >> *that*?!),
> >
> > Foreshadowing for something we never care to see?
>
> Amen.
>
> > 4) the lawyer guy not figuring out his cover was blown with
> >> Scott Speedman's wife, and my personal fave: 5) WHY THE HELL IS THAT
> >> LITTLE SHIT OF AN ISLAND THUG STILL ALIVE??!!
> >
> > 3 times this ep they should have killed him, BEFORE he hobbled the
> > Terminator.
> >
> > The reason they can't kill him is because the islanders will start
> > terrorizing them if he's dead? He's ALREADY kidnapping and murdering
> > your crew!!!
>
> Yep. At the point where the mafia kingpin assassinated that first hostage,
> it should have been clear that he needed to die. Let the next mafia boss
> decide if he wants to up the ante or play nice. And, of course, the
> obvious: stop letting all the sub crew wander around the island and this
> stuff wouldn't happen.
>
> > And, really, how many of the submariners were drug addicts that they're
> > a substantial part of this guy's business, after a week or two?
>
> Most military people have substance abuse problems, so at least that part is
> accurate...though I'd guess that alcohol, marijuana, and steroids are more
> common than cocaine and um...what was it the C.O.B. is addicted too, again?
> Morphine?

I thought he said Oxy, but I have no idea if you can get that in liquid
form. And how is any of this supposed to play out? He CRIPPLED the
Chief (who he magically divined had a substance abuse problem, and what
it was, and had one of every drug in the world in his pockets) so how is
the Chief supposed to come looking for more drugs?

>
> >> I'll keeping watching this show, cos... well, it either this or "Vampire
> >> Diaries" and I actually find this show's stupidity less offensive.
> >>
> >> But this show quickly raced to the bottom early this season - you know
> >> you're at the bottom of the barrel when "Revolution" is a more
> >> believable show... :/
> >
> > Um ... did you WATCH this week's REV yet?
>
> Still more substanative than LAST RESORT and LAST RESORT is set in a world
> that should be much easier to portray realistically.
>
> > Now, here's a question for you ... WHY do they assume they'll find the
> > key? WHY is she keeping the key?? The entire purpose was to cripple
> > the Colorado's missile firing capability, right? SO TOSS THE DAMN THING
> > OVERBOARD. Don't HIDE it. This isn't an immunity idol on Survivor! At
> > what point can the plan be to allow the Colorado to nuke the United
> > State again? And why is the OTHER key a target?
>
> This must tie into the concept that there is more than one 'faction' out
> there in the political world. One group might want to disarm the Colorado
> so that they can fire a missle at her and sink her while the doors are
> closed, but the other group might want to obtain the second key so that they
> can fire missiles at some intended target of their own (maybe with better
> aim on Washington DC?)

I just can't imagine.

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:38, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>Most military people have substance abuse problems,

Nonsense.

They get regularly (and randomly) tested for drugs - *especially* on
SSBNs like Colorado is supposed to be (that whole pesky nuclear weapons
in the workplace thing)

>so at least that part is
>accurate...though I'd guess that alcohol, marijuana, and steroids are more
>common than cocaine and um...what was it the C.O.B. is addicted too, again?
>Morphine?

A) He kicked the habit (but knows being injected may make him fall off
the wagon).

B) He got on it by volunteering for an experiment (which we have been
told about in a previous ep).

C) Fetanyl. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl
--
"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what
do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do
they?"
- George Carlin

[Hunter]

-----
Absolutely. When the two met privately-or rather she seeked him out-as
the rest of the crew were partying. Before that I did sense a special
relationship from when Cortez playfully put her sunglasses on Chaplin
in the crossing the equator ceremony in the pilot but I thought it was
a father daughter thing. Maybe she even knew his son, but I never
thought it was a romantic thing due to the wide difference in age
until that moment on the Island at night.

If the CIA figured that Chaplin a middle aged black sub commander
would go for a young pretty Latina tomboy they have truly made
pyschological profiling a hard science. :-) Mind you I don't blame
Chaplin at all; she is very pretty but talk about honey traps. (Yes I
know I am going against the grain by finding Jessica Camacho, who
plays Pilar Cortez very beautiful but I like cute tomboys).

From that I doubt the CIA deliberately gave her the mission to hook up
with the Captain. I am leaning that it happened naturally over the
three tours she has made in the submarine service, maybe all on his
boat in particular. If the CIA knew about it I can see them
encoraging it, but I doubt that the affair happened before she got to
the sub for Chaplin to assign her to it.

But admittedly a respected military officer falling for a much lower
ranked pretty female service woman happens. Just check recent
headlines. Funny how real life can coincide with fiction by sheer
luck. Remotely in this case of course.

[nera...@gmail.com]

I'm with you. it was truly bad when you have an African thug on an Indian Ocean island with a bunch of Hawaiians and Australians. and, the good guys kill a guy who clearly was the fall guy but don't kill the real bad guy? crap! and, the still living bad guy burns the feet of the super sailor? like no one will find this out? I have to watch just to see how utterly stupid it can get. and, I am betting real stupid is coming!,

[nera...@gmail.com]

ah crap. cancelled!

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> In article <k866nn$f94$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>> Most military people have substance abuse problems, so at least that part
>> is
>> accurate...though I'd guess that alcohol, marijuana, and steroids are
>> more
>> common than cocaine and um...what was it the C.O.B. is addicted too,
>> again?
>> Morphine?
>
> I thought he said Oxy, but I have no idea if you can get that in liquid
> form. And how is any of this supposed to play out? He CRIPPLED the
> Chief (who he magically divined had a substance abuse problem, and what
> it was, and had one of every drug in the world in his pockets) so how is
> the Chief supposed to come looking for more drugs?

If it needs to be injected, the C.O.B.s first problem will be finding a
syringe...assuming he can crawl back to civilization before dying. If he
was smart, he would let the medical team know instantly that evil mafia guy
injected him with something, but the way these shows work he will keep it
quiet AND keep using the rest of the supply he was given.

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:54:55, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

>"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

>> > And, really, how many of the submariners were drug addicts that they're
>> > a substantial part of this guy's business, after a week or two?
>>
>> Most military people have substance abuse problems, so at least that part is
>> accurate...though I'd guess that alcohol, marijuana, and steroids are more
>> common than cocaine and um...what was it the C.O.B. is addicted too, again?
>> Morphine?
>
>I thought he said Oxy, but I have no idea if you can get that in liquid
>form. And how is any of this supposed to play out? He CRIPPLED the
>Chief (who he magically divined had a substance abuse problem, and what
>it was, and had one of every drug in the world in his pockets) so how is
>the Chief supposed to come looking for more drugs?

He went through a veritable laundry list of drugs, including Oxy, before
settling on Fetanyl.
--
"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we
should thank God that such men lived."
George Smith Patton, Jr.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k86pbe$vkj$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

Sigh, yes, I actually said out loud to the screen "at least give him a
syringe!!!"

I still don't get the end game. Mafia guy doesn't want the Chief to
interfere with the lucrative submariner drug trade (given that
supposedly nothing is coming to the island, unless they're making their
own drugs on site, which I'm pretty sure they said they weren't, they
shouldn't be looking for a new market *anyway*) so he cripples him and
drugs him? Why? Why not just kill him? Why not just cripple him? Why
not just drug him? Any of these will either take him out of the
equation or possibly swing him to your side, but crippling AND
theoretically addicting him? What can this possibly hope to accomplish
except to make the guys that should be killing you every week even
madder?

[Stan Brown]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:23:26 -0800, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
>
> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
> submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
> mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
> bunch of the enlisted girls.
>
> While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
> show is approaching the end for me.

Then you'll be pleased to hear that ABC has just canceled it.
According to the AV Club, ABC has announced that the rest of the 13
episodes will be allowed to air, but we know from experience what
such promises from ABC are worth.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/abc-has-canceled-last-resort-and-666-
park-avenue,88863/

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

[EGK]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:48:15 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

>In article <k86pbe$vkj$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>wrote:

>> If it needs to be injected, the C.O.B.s first problem will be finding a
>> syringe...assuming he can crawl back to civilization before dying. If he
>> was smart, he would let the medical team know instantly that evil mafia guy
>> injected him with something, but the way these shows work he will keep it
>> quiet AND keep using the rest of the supply he was given.
>
>Sigh, yes, I actually said out loud to the screen "at least give him a
>syringe!!!"
>
>I still don't get the end game. Mafia guy doesn't want the Chief to
>interfere with the lucrative submariner drug trade (given that
>supposedly nothing is coming to the island, unless they're making their
>own drugs on site, which I'm pretty sure they said they weren't, they
>shouldn't be looking for a new market *anyway*) so he cripples him and
>drugs him? Why? Why not just kill him? Why not just cripple him? Why
>not just drug him? Any of these will either take him out of the
>equation or possibly swing him to your side, but crippling AND
>theoretically addicting him? What can this possibly hope to accomplish
>except to make the guys that should be killing you every week even
>madder?

Local drug kingpin sure doesn't seem afraid of the captain either. He just
saw one of his men shot and killed and he caught a bit of a beating and a
threat and that was it? They should have already killed him half a dozen
times to cement their power over the island. They have no problem shooting
and killing a representative from the US government though.

I'm really not all that sorry this show got cancelled already. It would
have made a great movie or mini-series but too many stupid things have to
keep happening to keep it going for long.

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:15, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

"They" did not do that. Admiral Shepard, who was part of the
delegation, shot her and SecDef Curry when the aide authorized the
trailing submarines to take a shot at Colorado which was had his
daughter on board.

I'll repeat this - they do a lot of stupid things, but you people seem
to have a lot of problems with stuff that is either standard
Navy/Submarine stuff or that *they* didn't do.

>I'm really not all that sorry this show got cancelled already. It would
>have made a great movie or mini-series but too many stupid things have to
>keep happening to keep it going for long.

--
"Time passes and you must move on,
Half the distance takes you twice as long
So you keep on singing for the sake of the song
After the thrill is gone."
Don Henley & Glenn Frey

[EGK]

"They" in this case are the writers of the show. They only keep Mr drug
kingpin alive for stupid plot reasons not because it makes sense.

>I'll repeat this - they do a lot of stupid things, but you people seem
>to have a lot of problems with stuff that is either standard
>Navy/Submarine stuff or that *they* didn't do.

Who is "you people"? Now that the show is cancelled we won't have to worry
about stupid things done on the show or about you bitching at "you people"
anymore.

[David Loewe, Jr.]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:37:49, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:49, "David V. Loewe, Jr"

><dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:15, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>>>Local drug kingpin sure doesn't seem afraid of the captain either. He just
>>>saw one of his men shot and killed and he caught a bit of a beating and a
>>>threat and that was it? They should have already killed him half a dozen
>>>times to cement their power over the island. They have no problem shooting
>>>and killing a representative from the US government though.
>>
>>"They" did not do that. Admiral Shepard, who was part of the
>>delegation, shot her and SecDef Curry when the aide authorized the
>>trailing submarines to take a shot at Colorado which was had his
>>daughter on board.
>
>"They" in this case are the writers of the show. They only keep Mr drug
>kingpin alive for stupid plot reasons not because it makes sense.

The writers of the show want "to cement their power over the island"?

Excuse me?!?

I don't mind you thinking I'm stupid, but don't talk to like I'm stupid
- especially while trying to blow smoke up my ass.


*If you truly meant "the writers," then you fucked up the wording so
badly that you fail English forever*.

>>I'll repeat this - they do a lot of stupid things, but you people seem
>>to have a lot of problems with stuff that is either standard
>>Navy/Submarine stuff or that *they* didn't do.
>
>Who is "you people"? Now that the show is cancelled we won't have to worry
>about stupid things done on the show or about you bitching at "you people"
>anymore.

"You people" = those who complain like small children on this NG over
stuff that is perfectly fine, is sensible or is SOP for what is being
depicted. Led by "Obveeus" and "anim."
--
"So, the clue gnomes merely stopped by for a cup of tea?"
-- 10/22/91, John S. Novak III

[EGK]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:11:32 -0600, "David Loewe, Jr."
<dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:37:49, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:49, "David V. Loewe, Jr"
>><dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:15, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>>>Local drug kingpin sure doesn't seem afraid of the captain either. He just
>>>>saw one of his men shot and killed and he caught a bit of a beating and a
>>>>threat and that was it? They should have already killed him half a dozen
>>>>times to cement their power over the island. They have no problem shooting
>>>>and killing a representative from the US government though.
>>>
>>>"They" did not do that. Admiral Shepard, who was part of the
>>>delegation, shot her and SecDef Curry when the aide authorized the
>>>trailing submarines to take a shot at Colorado which was had his
>>>daughter on board.
>>
>>"They" in this case are the writers of the show. They only keep Mr drug
>>kingpin alive for stupid plot reasons not because it makes sense.
>
>The writers of the show want "to cement their power over the island"?
>
>Excuse me?!?
>
>I don't mind you thinking I'm stupid, but don't talk to like I'm stupid
>- especially while trying to blow smoke up my ass.
>
>
>*If you truly meant "the writers," then you fucked up the wording so
>badly that you fail English forever*.

The earlier conversation was about the writing on the show. You get that
these aren't real people, right? You know you're not watching an actual
submarine crew, right? Someone is creating these stupid plots and animating
the characters with stupid actions and intentions. Just because you think
you know it all about what a real crew would do in such situations doesn't
make it any less stupid.

>>>I'll repeat this - they do a lot of stupid things, but you people seem
>>>to have a lot of problems with stuff that is either standard
>>>Navy/Submarine stuff or that *they* didn't do.
>>
>>Who is "you people"? Now that the show is cancelled we won't have to worry
>>about stupid things done on the show or about you bitching at "you people"
>>anymore.
>
>"You people" = those who complain like small children on this NG over
>stuff that is perfectly fine, is sensible or is SOP for what is being
>depicted. Led by "Obveeus" and "anim."

You mean like you're doing now because you think you know it's perfectly
fine?

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <k86pbe$vkj$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:

LASt RESORT:

>> If it needs to be injected, the C.O.B.s first problem will be finding a
>> syringe...assuming he can crawl back to civilization before dying. If
>> he
>> was smart, he would let the medical team know instantly that evil mafia
>> guy
>> injected him with something, but the way these shows work he will keep it
>> quiet AND keep using the rest of the supply he was given.
>
> Sigh, yes, I actually said out loud to the screen "at least give him a
> syringe!!!"
>
> I still don't get the end game. Mafia guy doesn't want the Chief to
> interfere with the lucrative submariner drug trade (given that
> supposedly nothing is coming to the island,

They abandoned that plotline one episode after using it. Now, the drug lord
can ferry people on and off the island as needed (that's how the French
mining guy left).

>unless they're making their
> own drugs on site, which I'm pretty sure they said they weren't, they
> shouldn't be looking for a new market *anyway*) so he cripples him and
> drugs him? Why? Why not just kill him? Why not just cripple him? Why
> not just drug him? Any of these will either take him out of the
> equation or possibly swing him to your side, but crippling AND
> theoretically addicting him? What can this possibly hope to accomplish
> except to make the guys that should be killing you every week even
> madder?

That is what should happen, but instead the C.O.B. will now help protect the
mafia guy so he can keep the supplies flowing.

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:47:24, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:11:32, "David Loewe, Jr."

Once again...

*If you truly meant "the writers," then you FUCKED UP THE WORDING so

badly that you fail English forever*.

>>>>I'll repeat this - they do a lot of stupid things, but you people seem
>>>>to have a lot of problems with stuff that is either standard
>>>>Navy/Submarine stuff or that *they* didn't do.
>>>
>>>Who is "you people"? Now that the show is cancelled we won't have to worry
>>>about stupid things done on the show or about you bitching at "you people"
>>>anymore.
>>
>>"You people" = those who complain like small children on this NG over
>>stuff that is perfectly fine, is sensible or is SOP for what is being
>>depicted. Led by "Obveeus" and "anim."
>
>You mean like you're doing now because you think you know it's perfectly
>fine?

Nope.
--
"The limit of the willing suspension of disbelief for a given element is
directly proportional to its degree of coolness."
- TV Tropes

[EGK]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:57:59 -0600, "David V. Loewe, Jr"

Like it's the first time anyone has ever miscommunication something on
usenet.

>>>>>I'll repeat this - they do a lot of stupid things, but you people seem
>>>>>to have a lot of problems with stuff that is either standard
>>>>>Navy/Submarine stuff or that *they* didn't do.
>>>>
>>>>Who is "you people"? Now that the show is cancelled we won't have to worry
>>>>about stupid things done on the show or about you bitching at "you people"
>>>>anymore.
>>>
>>>"You people" = those who complain like small children on this NG over
>>>stuff that is perfectly fine, is sensible or is SOP for what is being
>>>depicted. Led by "Obveeus" and "anim."
>>
>>You mean like you're doing now because you think you know it's perfectly
>>fine?
>
>Nope.

I guess you just miscommunication then yourself. Sure sounds like you're
behaving like a whiny little bitch.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k88rbg$ebd$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> > In article <k86pbe$vkj$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> LASt RESORT:
> >> If it needs to be injected, the C.O.B.s first problem will be finding a
> >> syringe...assuming he can crawl back to civilization before dying. If
> >> he
> >> was smart, he would let the medical team know instantly that evil mafia
> >> guy
> >> injected him with something, but the way these shows work he will keep it
> >> quiet AND keep using the rest of the supply he was given.
> >
> > Sigh, yes, I actually said out loud to the screen "at least give him a
> > syringe!!!"
> >
> > I still don't get the end game. Mafia guy doesn't want the Chief to
> > interfere with the lucrative submariner drug trade (given that
> > supposedly nothing is coming to the island,
>
> They abandoned that plotline one episode after using it. Now, the drug lord
> can ferry people on and off the island as needed (that's how the French
> mining guy left).

I'll believe the French guy made it off the island when we see him on
the mainland. More likely the Mafia guy just killed him.

>
> >unless they're making their
> > own drugs on site, which I'm pretty sure they said they weren't, they
> > shouldn't be looking for a new market *anyway*) so he cripples him and
> > drugs him? Why? Why not just kill him? Why not just cripple him? Why
> > not just drug him? Any of these will either take him out of the
> > equation or possibly swing him to your side, but crippling AND
> > theoretically addicting him? What can this possibly hope to accomplish
> > except to make the guys that should be killing you every week even
> > madder?
>
> That is what should happen, but instead the C.O.B. will now help protect the
> mafia guy so he can keep the supplies flowing.

While keeping secret his missing feet and/or new drug addiction.

[David Loewe, Jr.]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:07:34, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:57:59, "David V. Loewe, Jr"

Rarely is the source so clear.

>>>>>>I'll repeat this - they do a lot of stupid things, but you people seem
>>>>>>to have a lot of problems with stuff that is either standard
>>>>>>Navy/Submarine stuff or that *they* didn't do.
>>>>>
>>>>>Who is "you people"? Now that the show is cancelled we won't have to worry
>>>>>about stupid things done on the show or about you bitching at "you people"
>>>>>anymore.
>>>>
>>>>"You people" = those who complain like small children on this NG over
>>>>stuff that is perfectly fine, is sensible or is SOP for what is being
>>>>depicted. Led by "Obveeus" and "anim."
>>>
>>>You mean like you're doing now because you think you know it's perfectly
>>>fine?
>>
>>Nope.
>
>I guess you just miscommunication then yourself. Sure sounds like you're
>behaving like a whiny little bitch.

"miscommunication then"?!? WTF? Thanks for proving my point.

As for my tone, that is all in your head - and pretty standard for
Usenet. If Poster A points out that Poster B is reacting stupidly, one
of the classic reactions from Poster B is to claim that A is whinging.

It is *so* predictable. And amusing.
--
"Khan...I'm laughing at the superior intellect."
Admiral James T. Kirk

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:32:23, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

>"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>> > "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> LASt RESORT:

>> > unless they're making their
>> > own drugs on site, which I'm pretty sure they said they weren't, they
>> > shouldn't be looking for a new market *anyway*) so he cripples him and
>> > drugs him? Why? Why not just kill him? Why not just cripple him? Why
>> > not just drug him? Any of these will either take him out of the
>> > equation or possibly swing him to your side, but crippling AND
>> > theoretically addicting him? What can this possibly hope to accomplish
>> > except to make the guys that should be killing you every week even
>> > madder?
>>
>> That is what should happen, but instead the C.O.B. will now help protect the
>> mafia guy so he can keep the supplies flowing.
>
>While keeping secret his missing feet and/or new drug addiction.

The last shot of the COB showed that, while his feet were badly burned,
they were intact.
--
"Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist."
- Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <k88rbg$ebd$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:

>> LASt RESORT:

>> That is what should happen, but instead the C.O.B. will now help protect
>> the
>> mafia guy so he can keep the supplies flowing.
>
> While keeping secret his missing feet and/or new drug addiction.

Yep, though the C.O.B may have to fake an on-boat injury to explain the feet
injury since realistically he would not be able to stand at his post for
hours, even if he was drugged up to quench the pain.

[EGK]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:54:50 -0600, "David Loewe, Jr."

That was from the spell checker but keep acting like a whiny little bitch,
Mr Submariner.

>As for my tone, that is all in your head - and pretty standard for
>Usenet. If Poster A points out that Poster B is reacting stupidly, one
>of the classic reactions from Poster B is to claim that A is whinging.
>
>It is *so* predictable. And amusing.

You're right. You are very amusing.

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:35:32, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:54:50, "David Loewe, Jr."

Did you miss something?

>>>>>>>>I'll repeat this - they do a lot of stupid things, but you people seem
>>>>>>>>to have a lot of problems with stuff that is either standard
>>>>>>>>Navy/Submarine stuff or that *they* didn't do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Who is "you people"? Now that the show is cancelled we won't have to worry
>>>>>>>about stupid things done on the show or about you bitching at "you people"
>>>>>>>anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"You people" = those who complain like small children on this NG over
>>>>>>stuff that is perfectly fine, is sensible or is SOP for what is being
>>>>>>depicted. Led by "Obveeus" and "anim."
>>>>>
>>>>>You mean like you're doing now because you think you know it's perfectly
>>>>>fine?
>>>>
>>>>Nope.
>>>
>>>I guess you just miscommunication then yourself. Sure sounds like you're
>>>behaving like a whiny little bitch.
>>
>>"miscommunication then"?!? WTF? Thanks for proving my point.
>
>That was from the spell checker but keep acting like a whiny little bitch,
>Mr Submariner.

Too inattentive to keep track for yourself so you blame it on the
software. How pathetic.

>>As for my tone, that is all in your head - and pretty standard for
>>Usenet. If Poster A points out that Poster B is reacting stupidly, one
>>of the classic reactions from Poster B is to claim that A is whinging.
>>
>>It is *so* predictable. And amusing.
>
>You're right. You are very amusing.

Heh...
--
"Earth is the cradle of human kind, but one cannot live in a cradle
forever."
- Konstantin Tsiokovsky

[BTR1701]

In article <anim8rfsk-F3BDD...@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> In article <k85eqr$m41$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>

> wrote:
>
> > "cloud dreamer" <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:

> > > On 16/11/2012 6:53 AM, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
> > >> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
> > >> submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
> > >> mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
> > >> bunch of the enlisted girls.
> > >>
> > >> While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
> > >> show is approaching the end for me.
> > >

> > > That beach scene was between the girl and the Seal. Technically, he's not
> > > a member of the crew. He was only getting a ride.
> > >
> > > And officers having a beer with the "men" is not unheard of in the field.
> > >
> > > And it all comes down to "what the CO doesn't know, won't hurt him."
> > >
> > > If you think this kind of thing doesn't go on with troops in the field, I
> > > have a surprise for you.
> >
> > So, did anyone pick up a vibe that the Captain and the CIA mole have had
> > some sort of physical relationship in the past? I'm guessing that that was
> > how she got this sub assignment in the first place.
>

> Yeah. Ptui.

Holy crap. Why is that local mafia guy *still* alive?

I mean, they actually went to his lair and executed one of his goons on
the spot. If they're willing to do that, why don't they at least execute
the *right* one?

If my TV survives the run of this show, it'll be a miracle.

[BTR1701]

In article <jmdda8hujkgu4sv3c...@4ax.com>,

"David V. Loewe, Jr" <dave...@charter.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:38, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Most military people have substance abuse problems,
>
> Nonsense.

Of course it is but Obveeus will probably claim anyone who holds him to
that ridiculous statistic is nitpicking.

[BTR1701]

In article <anim8rfsk-6B72B...@news.easynews.com>,

anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> I wish Dichen would put it back on; really sick of the tats.

Were those freckles on her neck or some kind of pattern tattoo? They all
looked uniformly the same size, which freckles typically are not.

> I thought he said Oxy, but I have no idea if you can get that in liquid
> form. And how is any of this supposed to play out? He CRIPPLED the
> Chief (who he magically divined had a substance abuse problem, and what
> it was, and had one of every drug in the world in his pockets) so how is
> the Chief supposed to come looking for more drugs?

Or keep his injury a secret such that the captain won't come right back
and execute his ass?

Or maybe, like the rest of us, he's starting to realize the captain is
abjectly stupid and will only kill *other* guys while giving him 'just
one more chance'.

[BTR1701]

In article <s0ofa85ngqgqm85d9...@4ax.com>,

Fine, professor, then enlighten us as to how the whole local mafia guy
still being alive isn't the stupidest thing on network TV right now.

[Obveeus]

"BTR1701" <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> "David V. Loewe, Jr" <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:38, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Most military people have substance abuse problems,
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
> Of course it is but Obveeus will probably claim anyone who holds him to
> that ridiculous statistic is nitpicking.

Well, ok, 'most' was a slight exaggeration. According to this, it is only a
bit more than 1 in 4 returning soldiers...but then again that data is only
for alcohol abuse so someone would still need to add in the marijuana users,
steroid users, and the myriad of prescription drug users to see how close
the number came to the 50% mark.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/topics-in-brief/substance-abuse-among-military-veterans-their-families

[David Johnston]

On 11/19/2012 9:14 AM, Obveeus wrote:
> "BTR1701" <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>> "David V. Loewe, Jr" <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:38, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most military people have substance abuse problems,
>>>
>>> Nonsense.
>>
>> Of course it is but Obveeus will probably claim anyone who holds him to
>> that ridiculous statistic is nitpicking.
>
> Well, ok, 'most' was a slight exaggeration. According to this, it is only a
> bit more than 1 in 4 returning soldiers..

Soldiers probably have a higher proportion than sailors.

[Obveeus]

I would think so, but that would be because I always thought that sailors
(especially submariners) stayed on a boat for more than a few hours per day.
Our resident expert here on these things claims that a sub crew getting off
the boat daily while in the midst of an active nuclear war is standard
proceedure, though.

[David Johnston]

They aren't in the middle of an active nuclear war are they? Pakistan
got nuked and that was that.

[Obveeus]

"David Johnston" <Da...@block.net> wrote:

> On 11/19/2012 9:45 AM, Obveeus wrote:

>> I would think so, but that would be because I always thought that sailors
>> (especially submariners) stayed on a boat for more than a few hours per
>> day.
>> Our resident expert here on these things claims that a sub crew getting
>> off
>> the boat daily while in the midst of an active nuclear war is standard
>> proceedure, though.
>
> They aren't in the middle of an active nuclear war are they? Pakistan got
> nuked and that was that.

Pakistan and the US (just off the mainland)...and they keep opening their
doors for the world to see. I'm not sure how anyone could see the Colorado
as not being in an active war situation currently.

[shawn]

Because the writers said so. They've given us absolutely no reason to
explain why he is still alive. If they had done something like said he
is the only one that can navigate the reefs that provide a secret way
out of the blockade (no, that doesn't really exist) then maybe I could
see why he is still alive. Though even then I wouldn't let him walk
around free. But as it is they have this true wild card that is
killing people every week and the only reason for not killing him in
return is that the people "like" him. Yet we have no evidence that the
local populace would revolt if he was killed.

You know that is something the writers could have done if they were on
the ball. Have the mafia guy get arrested and then have the populace
refuse any help of the military and have them all come to where ever
he is being held to demand he be set free. At least that way there
would be some believability to the idea that he is still alive after
all that he's done directly or be responsible for.

[Dano]

"David Johnston" wrote in message news:k8do6m$o4m$3...@dont-email.me...

========================================

Why assume that? Pakistan IS a nuclear power you know.

[David Johnston]

I don't have to assume that. While I haven't been watching the show due
to the acute stupidity of the premise, if Pakistan was returning fire
with nukes it would have been mentioned in the threads. And of course
while Pakistan may have nuclear weapons, it does not have an
intercontinental delivery system with which to actually return fire.

[Dano]

"David Johnston" wrote in message news:k8dtbv$3b3$1...@dont-email.me...

=========================================

True enough...but they DO have other allies (as well as enemies) and the
fear is always of expansion of hostilities in any event..
Fortunately...this is completely uncharted ground. I can't imagine Paki's
neighbors are any too pleased about a nuclear cloud floating by.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k8dlta$fa4$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

The thing is, does this possibly apply to submariners? They're
routinely bottled up for weeks or months at a time. Even if they had a
problem going in, you'd think they'd be dry by the time they resurfaced.

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:anim8rfsk-D2146...@news.easynews.com...

I would have thought so (minus whatever steroids and such they sneak on
board), but our resident submariner expert here has made it clear that
expecting them to remain on board for more than a few hours at a time is not
realistic and does not really happen.

[Jim G.]

anim8rFSK sent the following on Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:52:09 -0700:
> In article
> <ijball-NO_SPAM-159...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <1ktmrpj.5dtoxs15ycq4mN%csam...@inetworld.net>,

> > csam...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) wrote:
> >
> > > O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
> > > submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
> > > mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
> > > bunch of the enlisted girls.
> > >
> > > While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
> > > show is approaching the end for me.
>

> I just told Peachinski that LAST RESORT,

Over for me.

> REVOLUTION,

Over for me.

> and BEAUTY AND THE
> BEAST

I never had the slightest interest in this one.

> may have all reached their 'too stupid to watch' thresholds.

You're much more patien^H^H^H^H^H^Hmasochistic than I am.

> > Totally agree - there was so much stupid in this episode, it's hard to
> > narrow it all down: 1) Lt. Daisy Betts with the girls (as you state), 2)
> > Daisy jumping the SEAL guy (and him jumping her when he's already got a
> > girl he likes),
>
> What we learned from this episode: If a girl lets down her hair, she's
> 'hot to trot'
>
> 3) the scene between the Capt. and Rodriguez (WTF was
> > *that*?!),
>
> Foreshadowing for something we never care to see?
>
> 4) the lawyer guy not figuring out his cover was blown with
> > Scott Speedman's wife, and my personal fave: 5) WHY THE HELL IS THAT
> > LITTLE SHIT OF AN ISLAND THUG STILL ALIVE??!!
>
> 3 times this ep they should have killed him, BEFORE he hobbled the
> Terminator.

Little Island Shit should have been dead before the second episode
ended. His handling was one of the bits of stupid that drove me away.

> The reason they can't kill him is because the islanders will start
> terrorizing them if he's dead? He's ALREADY kidnapping and murdering
> your crew!!!
>
> And, really, how many of the submariners were drug addicts that they're
> a substantial part of this guy's business, after a week or two?

Hollywood writers often like to project their own bad habits onto their
characters.

> > I'll keeping watching this show, cos... well, it either this or "Vampire
> > Diaries" and I actually find this show's stupidity less offensive.
> >
> > But this show quickly raced to the bottom early this season - you know
> > you're at the bottom of the barrel when "Revolution" is a more
> > believable show... :/
>
> Um ... did you WATCH this week's REV yet?
>
> Now, here's a question for you ... WHY do they assume they'll find the
> key? WHY is she keeping the key?? The entire purpose was to cripple
> the Colorado's missile firing capability, right? SO TOSS THE DAMN THING
> OVERBOARD. Don't HIDE it. This isn't an immunity idol on Survivor! At
> what point can the plan be to allow the Colorado to nuke the United
> State again? And why is the OTHER key a target?

Could it be that she realizes that they might need the missiles for
self-defense purposes at some point? Better to have 'em and not need 'em
than to need 'em and not have 'em, and all that.

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really ready for this day to be over." -- Duke Crocker, HAVEN

[William December Starr]

In article <k8dvla$j7i$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com> said:

> True enough...but they DO have other allies (as well as enemies)
> and the fear is always of expansion of hostilities in any event..
> Fortunately...this is completely uncharted ground. I can't
> imagine Paki's neighbors are any too pleased about a nuclear cloud
> floating by.

It probably depends on how much they hate Pakistan.

-- wds

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

I haven't said that they shouldn't kill Seurrat. I said the crew didn't
shoot the White House Aide and SecDef. Then EGK said he meant the
writers when he said "they" and I responded to that by pointing out he
said "they" about shooting said thug in a way that only made sense if
"they" were the crew, not the writers.

Seurrat should have been long dead by now and Chaplin should have taken
over the island and appointed someone to be his Viceroy (Sofie comes to
mind) that isn't a thuggish lunatic.

>isn't the stupidest thing on network TV right now.

I'm not qualified to say what is or is not THE most stupid thing on
network TV as I don't watch enough of it.

The whole premise of Dancing With The Stars seems rather stupid to me,
but I digress...
--
"Soldiers, when I give the command to fire, fire straight at my heart.
Wait for the order. It will be my last to you. I protest against my
condemnation. I have fought a hundred battles for France, and not
one against her ... Soldiers, Fire!"
- the Last Words of Michel Ney

[David Loewe, Jr.]

A) When *in port*.

B) Every *other* day.
--
"Just remember.....the back you stab today just might be attached to
the ass you have to kiss tomorrow."
- "Gamecock" on Nukeworker.com

[David V. Loewe, Jr]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:21:52, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:

>On 11/19/2012 10:25 AM, Dano wrote:
>> "David Johnston" wrote

That whole asymmetrical thing seems to have Obveeus (and Dano)
flummoxed. And, since Chaplin said on the air that had refused to fire
on Pakistan, Colorado and Sainte Marina are in no danger from Pakistan.
--
"Killing is not wrong if it's for a purpose, if it's to keep your nation
free or protect your buddy. One of the most noble things you can do is
kill the enemy."
- Major Douglas A. Zembiec

[David Loewe, Jr.]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:58:15, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote

>>> "BTR1701" <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> > "David V. Loewe, Jr" <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:38, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Most military people have substance abuse problems,
>>> >>
>>> >> Nonsense.
>>> >
>>> > Of course it is but Obveeus will probably claim anyone who holds him to
>>> > that ridiculous statistic is nitpicking.
>>>
>>> Well, ok, 'most' was a slight exaggeration. According to this, it is
>>> only a bit more than 1 in 4 returning soldiers...but then again that data is
>>> only for alcohol abuse so someone would still need to add in the marijuana
>>> users, steroid users, and the myriad of prescription drug users to see how close
>>> the number came to the 50% mark.
>>> http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/topics-in-brief/substance-abuse-among-military-veterans-their-families
>>
>> The thing is, does this possibly apply to submariners? They're
>> routinely bottled up for weeks or months at a time. Even if they had a
>> problem going in, you'd think they'd be dry by the time they resurfaced.
>
>I would have thought so (minus whatever steroids and such they sneak on
>board), but our resident submariner expert here has made it clear that
>expecting them to remain on board for more than a few hours at a time is not
>realistic and does not really happen.

Are you *really* THIS stupid?
--
"Why do we never get an answer
When we're knocking at the door
With a thousand million questions
About hate and death and war?"
David J. Hayward

[David Johnston]

On 11/19/2012 1:58 PM, Obveeus wrote:

> I would have thought so (minus whatever steroids and such they sneak on
> board), but our resident submariner expert here has made it clear that
> expecting them to remain on board for more than a few hours at a time is not
> realistic and does not really happen.
>
>

He said no such thing.

[BTR1701]

In article <k8dlta$fa4$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "BTR1701" <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> > "David V. Loewe, Jr" <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:38, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Most military people have substance abuse problems,
> >>
> >> Nonsense.
> >
> > Of course it is but Obveeus will probably claim anyone who holds him to
> > that ridiculous statistic is nitpicking.
>
> Well, ok, 'most' was a slight exaggeration. According to this, it is only a
> bit more than 1 in 4 returning soldiers...but then again that data is only
> for alcohol abuse so someone would still need to add in the marijuana users,
> steroid users, and the myriad of prescription drug users to see how close
> the number came to the 50% mark.

That and their definition of 'abuse' seems a little broad. Use does not
mean abuse.

[BTR1701]

In article <k8dov1$3oj$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

All I know is that Kirk wouldn't be giving anyone passes to Risa if the
Enterprise were in an analogous situation.

[Ashton Crusher]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:32:42 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"

<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>In article <1ktmrpj.5dtoxs15ycq4mN%csam...@inetworld.net>,
> csam...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) wrote:
>
>> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
>> submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
>> mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
>> bunch of the enlisted girls.
>>
>> While I'm asking questions, are the writers even trying now? This
>> show is approaching the end for me.
>

>Totally agree - there was so much stupid in this episode, it's hard to
>narrow it all down: 1) Lt. Daisy Betts with the girls (as you state), 2)
>Daisy jumping the SEAL guy (and him jumping her when he's already got a

>girl he likes), 3) the scene between the Capt. and Rodriguez (WTF was
>*that*?!), 4) the lawyer guy not figuring out his cover was blown with

>Scott Speedman's wife, and my personal fave: 5) WHY THE HELL IS THAT
>LITTLE SHIT OF AN ISLAND THUG STILL ALIVE??!!
>

>I'll keeping watching this show, cos... well, it either this or "Vampire
>Diaries" and I actually find this show's stupidity less offensive.
>
>But this show quickly raced to the bottom early this season - you know
>you're at the bottom of the barrel when "Revolution" is a more
>believable show... :/

Revolution is NOT more believable. It's also dull compared to LR.

[Dano]

"William December Starr" wrote in message
news:k8efnu$lcl$1...@panix2.panix.com...

=====================================

Even if we hated Canada...I don't think many Americans would be pleased much
to see nukes being fired into Ottawa.

Speaking only for myself...it wouldn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
You?

[anim8rFSK]

In article <ct0la81v35qaghn9e...@4ax.com>,

yeah, that crossed my mind

>
> > > I'll keeping watching this show, cos... well, it either this or "Vampire
> > > Diaries" and I actually find this show's stupidity less offensive.
> > >
> > > But this show quickly raced to the bottom early this season - you know
> > > you're at the bottom of the barrel when "Revolution" is a more
> > > believable show... :/
> >
> > Um ... did you WATCH this week's REV yet?
> >
> > Now, here's a question for you ... WHY do they assume they'll find the
> > key? WHY is she keeping the key?? The entire purpose was to cripple
> > the Colorado's missile firing capability, right? SO TOSS THE DAMN THING
> > OVERBOARD. Don't HIDE it. This isn't an immunity idol on Survivor! At
> > what point can the plan be to allow the Colorado to nuke the United
> > State again? And why is the OTHER key a target?
>
> Could it be that she realizes that they might need the missiles for
> self-defense purposes at some point? Better to have 'em and not need 'em
> than to need 'em and not have 'em, and all that.

She's a spy, and her mission was apparently to make sure the Colorado
could NOT nuke America again.

[Obveeus]

I'm not sure why you snipped the link, but it very clearly does not define
'use' as 'abuse'.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/topics-in-brief/substance-abuse-among-military-veterans-their-families

[Mason Barge]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:48:16 -0800, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <jmdda8hujkgu4sv3c...@4ax.com>,

> "David V. Loewe, Jr" <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:38, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Most military people have substance abuse problems,
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
>Of course it is but Obveeus will probably claim anyone who holds him to
>that ridiculous statistic is nitpicking.

I have to say, in Vietnam the pecentage of drug users at ranks E-5 and
below was around 95%, in my experience. I was there before the heroin
problem, I'm talking about marijuana, barbituates and stimulants.

Although actually, I didn't see stimulants used for recreation, just for
people pulling all-nighters for guard duty.

But after heroin became widely available, around 1971 maybe, they started
drug testing. I'm sure that cut into it by a lot.

[Jim G.]

anim8rFSK sent the following on Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:57:33 -0700:

> In article <ct0la81v35qaghn9e...@4ax.com>,
> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > anim8rFSK sent the following on Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:52:09 -0700:
> > >

> > > Now, here's a question for you ... WHY do they assume they'll find the
> > > key? WHY is she keeping the key?? The entire purpose was to cripple
> > > the Colorado's missile firing capability, right? SO TOSS THE DAMN THING
> > > OVERBOARD. Don't HIDE it. This isn't an immunity idol on Survivor! At
> > > what point can the plan be to allow the Colorado to nuke the United
> > > State again? And why is the OTHER key a target?
> >
> > Could it be that she realizes that they might need the missiles for
> > self-defense purposes at some point? Better to have 'em and not need 'em
> > than to need 'em and not have 'em, and all that.
>
> She's a spy, and her mission was apparently to make sure the Colorado
> could NOT nuke America again.

Ah. Got it. And she wasn't specifically told by her handlers to ensure
that the Colorado could be turned *back* into a missile platform at some
point?

[anim8rFSK]

In article <fah7b8tgg1josvvd5...@4ax.com>,

Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> anim8rFSK sent the following on Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:57:33 -0700:
> > In article <ct0la81v35qaghn9e...@4ax.com>,
> > Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > anim8rFSK sent the following on Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:52:09 -0700:
> > > >
> > > > Now, here's a question for you ... WHY do they assume they'll find the
> > > > key? WHY is she keeping the key?? The entire purpose was to cripple
> > > > the Colorado's missile firing capability, right? SO TOSS THE DAMN
> > > > THING
> > > > OVERBOARD. Don't HIDE it. This isn't an immunity idol on Survivor!
> > > > At
> > > > what point can the plan be to allow the Colorado to nuke the United
> > > > State again? And why is the OTHER key a target?
> > >
> > > Could it be that she realizes that they might need the missiles for
> > > self-defense purposes at some point? Better to have 'em and not need 'em
> > > than to need 'em and not have 'em, and all that.
> >
> > She's a spy, and her mission was apparently to make sure the Colorado
> > could NOT nuke America again.
>
> Ah. Got it. And she wasn't specifically told by her handlers to ensure
> that the Colorado could be turned *back* into a missile platform at some
> point?

Well, we have no idea what her orders were. I guess she *could* have
been told that, but really ...

[Jim G.]

anim8rFSK sent the following on Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:51:23 -0700:

I don't know why I'm trying to come up with excuses for the idiots who
write this thing, but I had to ask. Like I said before, if it were up to
me, there's no way that I'd burn my bridges with regard to being able to
use the nukes on that boat if push came to shove.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <kh2ab8l86nnfn4qei...@4ax.com>,

Except you need TWO keys, and she's only got one ... If I had both keys
I'd be more likely to keep them.

[Jim G.]

anim8rFSK sent the following on Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:13:13 -0700:

True, and I'm guessing that there was nothing to indicate that she'd
been told to get possession of *both* keys?

[Obveeus]

"Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> anim8rFSK sent the following on Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:13:13 -0700:
>>

>> Except you need TWO keys, and she's only got one ... If I had both keys
>> I'd be more likely to keep them.
>
> True, and I'm guessing that there was nothing to indicate that she'd
> been told to get possession of *both* keys?

We have no idea what her orders were, but the Captain at least realized that
loss of *both* keys would be an even bigger problem as he mentioned to his
side kick that his key could be next on the thief's agenda.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k98h8n$713$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

Was the exec on board? Because everybody was rendered unconscious but
her, so if both keys were there, there was no reason for her not to take
both keys ...

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message

news:anim8rfsk-CEAA2...@news.easynews.com...

He wasn't onboard. He was making whoopee with the French NATO chick.

Yes...yes...there are all kinds of times when they cannot really launch
because one or both keys are wandering around on the island.

[Hunter]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:45:37 -0800 (PST), nera...@gmail.com wrote:

>I'm with you. it was truly bad when you have an African thug on an Indian O=
>cean island with a bunch of Hawaiians and Australians.
-----
They maybe still in the Indian Ocean but I believe on the extreme
eastern edge of it very near the South Pacific if not in the South
Pacific.
>
> and, the good guys =
>kill a guy who clearly was the fall guy but don't kill the real bad guy?
------
On this I kind of agree that Julian should've been the one that was
killed.

He has killed one crewman, drugged the island, strapped a bomb to
another crewman to blow her up. I agree he should've been killed
certainly after it was learned that he was complicit in drugging the
island at least.
>
>crap! and, the still living bad guy burns the feet of the super sailor? like =
>no one will find this out?
-----
To the contrary he wants everyone to know. Prosser isn't "super
sailor", Attacking Prosser was a message, a way of saving face.

And Prosser is just the equivalent of a sergeant in the Army, a real
squared away sailor and example to the enlisted crew.
>
> I have to watch just to see how utterly stupid i=
>t can get. and, I am betting real stupid is coming!,
----
As mentioned above, Julian wants everyone to know, above all the
Captain. It is to reassert his power. After all, the Captain killed
one of his men in front of everyone of his gang. That could not go
unanswered. But now that he has done this Julian will have to run for
his life. I do think the Captain should've put up a fort like
perimeter around the town to prevent anymore crew abductions after the
incident of Cortex, Redman and Brannan being taken hostage.

------>Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k98uel$nth$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:anim8rfsk-CEAA2...@news.easynews.com...
> > In article <k98h8n$713$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> > anim8rFSK sent the following on Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:13:13 -0700:
> >> >>
> >> >> Except you need TWO keys, and she's only got one ... If I had both
> >> >> keys
> >> >> I'd be more likely to keep them.
> >> >
> >> > True, and I'm guessing that there was nothing to indicate that she'd
> >> > been told to get possession of *both* keys?
> >>
> >> We have no idea what her orders were, but the Captain at least realized
> >> that
> >> loss of *both* keys would be an even bigger problem as he mentioned to
> >> his
> >> side kick that his key could be next on the thief's agenda.
> >
> > Was the exec on board? Because everybody was rendered unconscious but
> > her, so if both keys were there, there was no reason for her not to take
> > both keys ...
>
> He wasn't onboard. He was making whoopee with the French NATO chick.

Oh, yeah. Ick.

>
> Yes...yes...there are all kinds of times when they cannot really launch
> because one or both keys are wandering around on the island.

Yeah, that's ... there must be some protocol for that, that you leave
your key in the locker or something when ashore.

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> In article <k98uel$nth$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message

>> > Was the exec on board? Because everybody was rendered unconscious but
>> > her, so if both keys were there, there was no reason for her not to
>> > take
>> > both keys ...
>>
>> He wasn't onboard. He was making whoopee with the French NATO chick.
>
> Oh, yeah. Ick.
>>
>> Yes...yes...there are all kinds of times when they cannot really launch
>> because one or both keys are wandering around on the island.
>
> Yeah, that's ... there must be some protocol for that, that you leave
> your key in the locker or something when ashore.

The keys are probably supposed to go back into the safe until the next set
of orders from high command required them to be taken out again, but the
Captain isn't following that protocol because he has to be ready to nuke
America on a moment's notice.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k9985v$5al$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>

Damn I hope this show ends with a mushroom cloud over Taratupa.

[Hunter]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:54:45 -0600, "David Loewe, Jr."
<dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:23:26, csam...@inetworld.net (Charles H.

>Sampson) wrote:
>
>> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
>>submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
>>mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
>>bunch of the enlisted girls.
>

>There were boat functions of that type where everyone showed up when I
>was on-board Michigan.
-----
Sure. Leaders don't isolate themselves from the men. You get close to
them..

[Hunter]

[Michael Black]

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012, Hunter wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:54:45 -0600, "David Loewe, Jr."
> <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:23:26, csam...@inetworld.net (Charles H.
>> Sampson) wrote:
>>
>>> O. k., is fraternization (between officers and men) allowed on
>>> submarines now? I'm not referring to the supposedly hot sex scene. I
>>> mean when the female lieutenant went on the beach-and-beer party with a
>>> bunch of the enlisted girls.
>>
>> There were boat functions of that type where everyone showed up when I
>> was on-board Michigan.
> -----
> Sure. Leaders don't isolate themselves from the men. You get close to
> them..
>

And isnt' a submarine a different situation? Everyone practically living
on each other's laps, some of the regimentation goes away (like when Rock
Hudson goes from one end of the sub to the other in "Ice Station Zebra",
he's basically walking through multiple rooms, and so apparently they
aren't expected to salute him every time he passes by). They have to live
together, which leaves some of the stuffiness off the boat. And probably
want to build up a level of "trust" when "on the beach".

A big ship is a whole different situation.

Michael

[Jim G.]

Obveeus sent the following on Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:40:54 -0500:

He should just hide it under a mattress on the sub. From what I can
gather, it's not like anyone sleeps aboard ship these days. :)

[Jim G.]

Obveeus sent the following on Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:25:55 -0500:

>
> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:anim8rfsk-CEAA2...@news.easynews.com...
> > In article <k98h8n$713$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> > anim8rFSK sent the following on Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:13:13 -0700:
> >> >>
> >> >> Except you need TWO keys, and she's only got one ... If I had both
> >> >> keys
> >> >> I'd be more likely to keep them.
> >> >
> >> > True, and I'm guessing that there was nothing to indicate that she'd
> >> > been told to get possession of *both* keys?
> >>
> >> We have no idea what her orders were, but the Captain at least realized
> >> that
> >> loss of *both* keys would be an even bigger problem as he mentioned to
> >> his
> >> side kick that his key could be next on the thief's agenda.
> >
> > Was the exec on board? Because everybody was rendered unconscious but
> > her, so if both keys were there, there was no reason for her not to take
> > both keys ...
>
> He wasn't onboard. He was making whoopee with the French NATO chick.

I'm shocked--SHOCKED!--to learn that those two ended up together.

> Yes...yes...there are all kinds of times when they cannot really launch
> because one or both keys are wandering around on the island.

Heh. Just confirm that Marcus is off the boat before attacking and it's
Game Over.