Religion is a disease
Martin Phipps
people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
Martin
Möbius Pretzel
> Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
consciouness disease.
Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
to hate others and think that they are better.
(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
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> Martin
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why do so few grasp the big picture? well, it's that need, as you say, to
blame something or someone. Can't be Marty Phipps, so it must be something
else. Of course, Marty is incapable of grasping that he's doing the very
thing he's caliming to be opposed to.
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>> Martin
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Lucifer
While it is true that that does happen, religion tends to be the worst
example of this, and leads to problems where there would otherwise be
none. A line I've used before is this;
To refuse to fight religion as there are other sources of evil in the
world is like refusing to fight malaria because yellow fever is also
unpleasant.
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General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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> > Martin
Bill Kawalec
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Möbius Pretzel wrote:
> Martin Phipps wrote:
> > Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> > people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> > heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
> .
>
> The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
> consciouness disease.
>
> Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
> to hate others and think that they are better.
>
> (i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
While it is true that that does happen, religion tends to be the worst
example of this, and leads to problems where there would otherwise be
none. A line I've used before is this;
To refuse to fight religion as there are other sources of evil in the
world is like refusing to fight malaria because yellow fever is also
unpleasant.
...thus proving that you're just another douchebag. PLEASE, mr. l, tell me
what's the difference between your hate for religion, and the hate that SOME
religious folks have for gays?? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, mr.
brainless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bill Kawalec wrote:
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> Möbius Pretzel wrote:
> > Martin Phipps wrote:
> > > Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> > > people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> > > heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
> > .
> >
> > The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
> > consciouness disease.
> >
> > Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
> > to hate others and think that they are better.
> >
> > (i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
>
> While it is true that that does happen, religion tends to be the worst
> example of this, and leads to problems where there would otherwise be
> none. A line I've used before is this;
>
> To refuse to fight religion as there are other sources of evil in the
> world is like refusing to fight malaria because yellow fever is also
> unpleasant.
>
>
>
> ...thus proving that you're just another douchebag. PLEASE, mr. l, tell me
> what's the difference between your hate for religion, and the hate that SOME
> religious folks have for gays?? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, mr.
> brainless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are going to use ad homs, you might as well make them either
witty or elegant. Yours were neither.
I hate people who hate, they hate people for doing what they want to do
with eachother, affecting no one else. If they stopped hating, so I
would not in turn hate them. It's as simple as that.
Incidentally, while I do hate fundies, and the institution of religion,
typically I do not hate individual members of most religions. I would
never go beyond words in these issues, something the homophobic fundies
do frequently.
Raymond
Möbius Pretzel wrote:
> Martin Phipps wrote:
> > Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> > people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> > heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
> The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
> consciouness disease.
>
> Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
> to hate others and think that they are better.
> (i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
RE:
'... humans would find another pretense to hate others
and think that they are better..."
Very true.
Which came first ? Did not religion evolve from
human differences and fear of strangers [ 'xenophobia' ]
Did religion create original nationalism and racism?
Racism?
In its modern form, racism evolved in tandem with European exploration
and conquest of ... usually under the guise of xenophobia, the fear of
strangers.
In the Christian nationalist vision of America, non-believers would be
free to worship as they choose, as long as they know their place
"While it is true that the United States of America was founded on the
sacred principle of religious freedom for all, that liberty was never
intended to exalt other religions to the level that Christianity holds
in our country's heritage...Our founders expected that Christianity --
and no other religion -- would receive support from the government as
long as that support did not violate peoples' consciences and their
right to worship. They would have found utterly incredible the idea
that all religions, including paganism, be treated with equal
deference."
...Religious institutions exist to maintain particular threads
of social integrity.
Christianity is a religion. Christian nationalism is a political
program, and there is nothing sacred about it.
For discussion:
See; What is Christian nationalism?
By Michelle Goldberg
topic: Church/State Separation
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/11/151212/239
Harvard panel sets aside plan on religion
By Marcella Bombardieri, Globe Staff | December 13, 2006
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/12/13/harvard_panel_sets_aside_plan_on_religion/
Professors designing a new curriculum for undergraduates at Harvard
University have rescinded their proposal that all students take a class
dealing with religion.
Harvard made waves in October when the task force released a
preliminary redesign for general education -- the requirements imposed
on students outside their major -- that included a category called
"reason and faith."
The original proposal said students often struggle to make sense of the
relationship between their own religious beliefs and the secular and
intellectual world they encounter in college.
It also noted that wars are fought in the name of religion and that the
topic is central to some of the most contentious contemporary debates,
over evolution, stem-cell research, and same-sex marriage. It said
"reason and faith" courses were not meant to be "religious
apologetics," but examinations of cultural and social context.
Professors in Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences have spent the
last two months debating the general education proposal, which
emphasizes what students need to know to be responsible citizens in
society. Several professors had objected to the religion category,
saying that it gave too much emphasis to only one of many important
forces shaping the world.
"If this is meant to educate students about the role of religion in
history and current affairs, why isn't it just a part of the 'US and
the World' requirement?" asked psychology professor Steven Pinker in
October in an essay in the Harvard Crimson Oct. 27. "Religion is an
important force, to be sure, but so are nationalism, ethnicity,
socialism, markets, nepotism, class, and globalization. Why single
religion out among all the major forces in history?"
Alison Simmons, a philosophy professor and cochairwoman of the general
education task force, said her group did not make the switch because of
objections to the topic. Rather, she said, they were convinced by their
colleagues that the subject would be adequately covered by other
categories, including the moral reasoning requirement and requirements
covering society in the United States and abroad.
"What it means to be a human being" is an attempt to cover important
aspects of the humanities that received less focus in the original
proposal, Simmons said, and is not meant as a direct substitute for
religion.
The move is sure to disappoint people both inside and outside Harvard
who were excited to see the subject considered for elevation to an
important place in the curriculum.
"I think secular and liberal Harvard rebelled," government professor
Harvey Mansfield, one of the campus's most outspoken conservatives,
said last night.
The task force plans to release a final proposal in January. The entire
arts and sciences faculty will then decide whether and how to implement
their report.
Marcella Bombardieri can be reached at bomba...@globe.com.
© Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.
> > http://www.nobeliefs.com
> > Martin
duke
>Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
>people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
>heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
Wow, you clearly know nothing about God.
duke, American-American
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Martin Phipps
> On 24 Dec 2006 03:02:40 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> >people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> >heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
> Wow, you clearly know nothing about God.
God is fiction.
Martin
Dale Houstman
duke wrote:
> On 24 Dec 2006 03:02:40 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
>>people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
>>heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
>
> Wow, you clearly know nothing about God.
>
Neither do religionists, because God is an imaginary construct. But the
question isn't about that bearded chimera, but about the all-too-human
religions that leave historical evidence behind them. Unfortunately, the
facts in that case are plain to see: religion has no better track record
in making the world a "better place" than the basest sort of drunken
Rotarian with anger issues. Religion just simply fails to deliver on all
its little nosegays of promises.
dmh
Martin Willett
You are making a claim that in effect there is a defined amount of evil
action which much exist in the world which is shared about among the
available causes. A moment's thought would reveal this idea to be worth
less than a boil on a baboon's bum.
If you remove causes of conflict you will remove conflict, not shift
that necessary conflict on *to be caused by something else*.
If you imagine a group of GIs under fire from the Viet Cong you will not
expect to find them bickering among themselves about race, class or
accent. But neither will you expect them to be throwing grenades at each
other over those differences the moment the common enemy goes away.
Religion can act like the common enemy to unite people in a single
struggle but it is farcical to expect that the amount of grief religion
causes would be caused by some other factor because the quota of evil
and murder was not being fulfilled.
The history of mankind is a story of uniting into bigger and bigger
groups, spreading the definition of "us" ever wider and more diffusely.
Only a tiny handful of inner city gang members today have a life of
violence, insecurity and short life expectancy to compare with that of
our distant ancestors and primitive people today.
Just imagine a generic "tribesman". What is he carrying? A spear and
shield by any chance? Not some luxury consumer goods. When you live in a
small band attack and sudden death is an ever-present danger not just
"in times of war" but for your whole life and throughout the entire life
experience of every person you have ever met.
We have put aside differences and got on with not killing each other. It
is not true to suggest that violence, intolerance and hatred is a pie of
a fixed size. We have made that pie smaller. Getting rid of religion
could make that pie smaller still.
--
Martin Willett
Don Martin
People always have done this, and, so long as they were in smallish
groups, managed only to kill off fairly few folks in the process--the
border skirmish level of conflict is pretty much imposed upon them by
their numbers. Religion is a social organizing force, and patently is
capable of drawing the "us" into nations and supernations of millions
against the "them" of equivalent numbers. We have probably always had
war of one sort or another, but I doubt that _world_ wars are possible
without faith. considering the multinational character of them, the
crusades themselves may be considered early world wars. Catchy title,
"crusade", isn't it?
Religion offers a rather phoney unifying "solution" to racism: god
loves everybody, we are told, even if your skin is the wrong color. So
we spread the word to the unwashed, often by force and intimidation,
and then encourage them to attend their "own" churches. Blacks have
often commented that the most segregation in the U.S. occurs on Sunday
mornings.
Murden
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I've seen way too many clothing and food drives for the needy, groups
visiting hospitals, and billions of dollars collected to be sent to the poor
both here and abroad to not be thankful that people are trying to "love
their neighbor." Yes, many are doing it in God's name. Whether god is real
or not, that is a good thing.
F Parella
duke wrote:
> On 24 Dec 2006 03:02:40 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> >people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> >heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
> Wow, you clearly know nothing about God.
Which god are you talking about? The god of the Bible is the most
idiotic fantasy mankind has ever concocted.
Andrealphus
this:
Although I tend to agree, and I'm sure that the recipients of that aid could
care less why people are gathering it, it always strikes me as a bit
strange. What would happen if tomorrow, in the unlikely event, that
someone provided proof positive, undeniable evidence that God didn't exist.
Would these people suddenly become less generous? Would they stop helping
the poor and needy? Would the world just fall apart (worse than it already
is)? I often wonder about these things.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
F Parella
That's okay, it delivers in the next life. Hey, these miserable
wretches have got to be earning some sort of reward in some distant
future by invoking some invisible being.
Anthony Cerrato
"Raymond" <Bluer...@aol.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> Did religion create original nationalism and racism?
Yes--certainly in large part.
Gawd...I hate you all! :)
...tonyC
[snip]
BTR1701
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On 24 Dec 2006 03:02:40 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> >people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> >heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
> Wow, you clearly know nothing about God.
And you clearly didn't read what he wrote. He didn't say anything about
god. He was talking about religion.
There is a difference.
Dale Houstman
Many many non-believers give to and are employed in charity work also.
People are selfish or giving whether or not religion is involved.
Christianity didn't invent the "human heart" or even particularly do it
any better than anyone else. For every religious charity worker there
are a hundred "religious" leaders and blind followers who fatten
themselves at the table, and destroy people's health and well-being in
the name of their deity. There are good believers and bad believers,
just as there are good non-believers and bad non-believers. The absebce
of organized religions in the world wouldn't change the blance much one
way or the other. Meanehile the centralized "organization" in organized
religion does as much damage to the world as the centralized
"organization" in any other organized corporation.
dmh
Martin Phipps
The crusades, the jihads, the Salem witch trials, the Spanish
inquisition, 9/11, suicide bombings, the stoning of adulterers, the
slaughter of those who refused to convert, they were all done in God's
name. God is a fiction and an evil one at that.
Martin
Don Martin
> The crusades, the jihads, the Salem witch trials, the Spanish
> inquisition, 9/11, suicide bombings, the stoning of adulterers, the
> slaughter of those who refused to convert, they were all done in God's
> name. God is a fiction and an evil one at that.
In literature, on of the defining characteristics of melodrama is that
the action is begun by the villain (in tragedy, it is begun by the
protagonist). Since most people seem to see and live their lives as a
sort of soap opera, it is no wonder that the divine villain is
important to them.
Martin Phipps
> Möbius Pretzel wrote:
> > Martin Phipps wrote:
> > > Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> > > people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> > > heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
> > The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
> > consciouness disease.
> >
> > Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
> > to hate others and think that they are better.
>
> > (i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
>
> RE:
> '... humans would find another pretense to hate others
> and think that they are better..."
>
> Very true.
>
> Which came first ? Did not religion evolve from
> human differences and fear of strangers [ 'xenophobia' ]
>
> Did religion create original nationalism and racism?
No. Religion is not the only reason people hate each other. But
hatred feeds hatred. The only cure to hatred is reason. Logic tells
us that we are all brothers. Religion tells people that they are the
"chosen ones".
Martin
lora...@cs.com
You are part of God's grand plan also..
He determined to also create screw-ups.
Yuri Nassol
The emergence of absolute belief systems, whether they are organized on a
grand scale like Christianity or Islam or part of some small set of village
mythology, is explained classically by the need of humankind needs to fill
voids in knowledge. The ignorance of a more fantastic phenomenon requires
an equally fantastic description of the supernatural forces behind it. Of
course ignorance is the child of hate and fear too.
However, none of these facts excuses the asshole who crossposted this to
the Beatles and TV groups. I'll damn him if God won't.
Don Martin
> However, none of these facts excuses the asshole who crossposted this to
> the Beatles and TV groups. I'll damn him if God won't.
It is good to know that _somebody_ is on the job!
Raymond
No mention of the Buddhist ?
Is it a religion?
Buddhism is a religion with millions of followers in the United States,
including traditionally Buddhist Asian Americans as well as non-Asians,
many of whom are converts. The U.S. presents a strikingly new and
different environment for Buddhists, leading to a unique history and a
continuing process of development as Buddhism and America come to grips
with each other.
Though there is no blind faith, one might argue whether there is no
worshipping of images etc., in Buddhism.
Buddhists do not worship an image expecting worldly or spiritual
favors, but pay their reverence to what it represents.
An understanding Buddhist, in offering flowers and incense to an image,
designedly makes himself feel that he is in the presence of the living
Buddha and thereby gains inspiration from his noble personality and
breathes deep his boundless compassion. He tries to follow the Buddha's
noble example.
The starting point of Buddhism is reasoning or understanding, or
samma-ditthi.
To the seekers of truth the Buddha says:
"Do not accept anything on (mere) hearsay -- (i.e., thinking that thus
have we heard it for a long time). Do not accept anything by mere
tradition -- (i.e., thinking that it has thus been handed down through
many generations). Do not accept anything on account of mere rumors --
(i.e., by believing what others say without any investigation). Do not
accept anything just because it accords with your scriptures. Do not
accept anything by mere suppositions. Do not accept anything by mere
inference. Do not accept anything by merely considering the reasons. Do
not accept anything merely because it agrees with your pre-conceived
notions. Do not accept anything merely because it seems acceptable --
(i.e., thinking that as the speaker seems to be a good person his words
should be accepted). Do not accept anything thinking that the ascetic
is respected by us (therefore it is right to accept his word).
"But when you know for yourselves -- these things are immoral, these
things are blameworthy, these things are censured by the wise, these
things, when performed and undertaken conduce to ruin and sorrow --
then indeed do you reject them.
In Buddhism there is not, as in most other religions, an Almighty God
to be obeyed and feared. The Buddha does not believe in a cosmic
potentate, omniscient and omnipresent. In Buddhism there are no divine
revelations or divine messengers. A Buddhist is, therefore, not
subservient to any higher supernatural power which controls his
destinies and which arbitrarily rewards and punishes. Since Buddhists
do not believe in revelations of a divine being Buddhism does not claim
the monopoly of truth and does not condemn any other religion. But
Buddhism recognizes the infinite latent possibilities of man and
teaches that man can gain deliverance from suffering by his own efforts
independent of divine help or mediating priests
Buddhism cannot, therefore, strictly be called a religion because it is
neither a system of faith and worship, nor "the outward act or form by
which men indicate their recognition of the existence of a God or gods
having power over their own destiny to whom obedience, service, and
honor are due."
If, by religion, is meant "a teaching which takes a view of life that
is more than superficial, a teaching which looks into life and not
merely at it, a teaching which furnishes men with a guide to conduct
that is in accord with this its in-look, a teaching which enables those
who give it heed to face life with fortitude and death with
serenity,"[6] or a system to get rid of the ills of life, then it is
certainly a religion of religions.
SEE Buddhism in a nutshell:
http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell03.htm
Buddhism in the United States
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_America
KenStahl
It might be worth mentioning that even within Buddhism the
Buddha is not considered a god. There are many gods in the
Buddhist religion, but the Sidathra Guatama is not one of
them. He was merely an exalted teacher who was a great teacher.
If your want a see a traditional Buddhist blow his top
though, just mention something about reverencing the Dorje
Shugden. It will be good for at least a fifteen minute rant
while you sit and chuckle at how easy it was to yank his chain.
--
Life is a journey. You don't get to start at the end.
Don Martin
>
> No mention of the Buddhist ?
>
> Is it a religion?
It is certainly not an otherworldly monotheism like christianity or
islam, but a far more healthy affair entirely. At least I have not
heard of Buddhists waging war against infidels, and they do not seem to
work to convert others, though they seem to attract quite a few seeking
personal serenity.
BanderStern
>On 24 Dec 2006 03:02:40 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
>>people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
>>heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
>Wow, you clearly know nothing about God.
>
There's nothing to know...
Yuri Nassol
My sentiments entirely.
I was not being flattering in talking of Christianity and Islam as
religions.
Lookingglass
the case today in some countries. 'Nationalism' and 'Racism' existed in the
same soup as the 'State'...I refer to ancient 'tribal' history.
Even today here in the US, folks keep refering to the myth that ...'Our
ancestors founded this country on *these* (read Christian) particular
beliefs'...exclusive of all the *other* beliefs. And yet we live in a
country of 'religious freedom'. What is unfortunate is the seperation
between the church (read Christian) and State is being worn down in favor of
the Christian Fundamentalists. I do not want them running our country...if
they get in power, the non-believers are in for some trouble.
I have access to some world news sources like the BBC, a Russian news
channel, a German news channel...though no Al-Jezeera yet... ;^) A German
program I watched talked about the resurgance of 'faith' in
America...religious faith. A Catholic, a Proestant, and an Eastern
Orthodox(ian?)...NO Islamics. Their focus was the recent visit of the Pope
to Turkey, where he met with Orthodox representatives. They panel was
discussing the re-unification of the two branches of Christianity. The
Protestant was pretty much ignored...perhaps because they are located in the
West and are of little concern to the new Pope...he will 'deal' with them
later! There was further discussion as to how to re-Evangelize Europe...they
like what they see in the US. !!! Particularly the BIG churches where you
can drop off the kids and go for a swim...!!! A 'something for everyone
community".
I, for one, am concerned. Monopoly in economy...monopoly in belief!
Lookingglass
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Careful...your 'faith' is showing. Changing the subject to 'bash' your
opponent, when you can't get your way is childish. Hypocrite.
nob...@junk.min.net
>Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
>people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
>heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
Actually, Judaism teaches that righteous gentiles go to heaven. Perhaps
that's why Judaism isn't a prosletyzing religion, and was never spread at
the point of a sword (which may explain why there are so few Jews in the
world, whereas the religions which sprung from Judaism both have billions
of adherents total in their various sects.
Alan
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Lookingglass
"Don Martin" <drdon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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We seem to always be looking for scapegoats!
To paraphrase the Buddhists...All life is sorrowful. Life is tough, but
worth living. My partner told me once that the best one can hope for in
LIFE, is to become a 'good' person. Give sustenance to those that need it,
and don't become a 'shit stain' yourself. (Hey! If Rabelais can use the
word, so can I.)
nob...@junk.min.net
>> I've seen way too many clothing and food drives for the needy, groups
>> visiting hospitals, and billions of dollars collected to be sent to the poor
>> both here and abroad to not be thankful that people are trying to "love
>> their neighbor." Yes, many are doing it in God's name. Whether god is real
>> or not, that is a good thing.
>The crusades, the jihads, the Salem witch trials, the Spanish
>inquisition, 9/11, suicide bombings, the stoning of adulterers, the
>slaughter of those who refused to convert, they were all done in God's
>name. God is a fiction and an evil one at that.
Religion is like every other human endeavour or invention - it can be used
or abused, depending on the individual. Much good is and has been done in
God's name by religious people, and much evil is and has been done by
other religious people in the name of God. Just like computers - people
write software that benefits others, while other people write viruses and
trojans. The computer isn't good or evil, the users are.
Lookingglass
"F Parella" <f_pa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166971632....@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Which god are you talking about? The god of the Bible is the most
> idiotic fantasy mankind has ever concocted.
Well...Priapus comes close (sorry!). Is he a god? If not he should be.
Anyone that can achieve what he does, deserves a hand (sorry...again!).
Steve Newport
Lookingglass
>
> It is certainly not an otherworldly monotheism like christianity or
> islam, but a far more healthy affair entirely. At least I have not
> heard of Buddhists waging war against infidels, and they do not seem to
> work to convert others, though they seem to attract quite a few seeking
> personal serenity.
...god damn those passive aggressive people.
;^)
Funny, they attract more and more folks everyday. I have witnessed this
myself.
Lookingglass
been taught since childhood...the 'thing' they hang on to... is
untrue...particularly when part of that 'system' of belief teaches that if
you DO NOT follow the established precepts, you will be "damned to
Hell"...or a variation of that theme.
I am a born-again atheist and a recovering Catholic. I began questioning my
'faith' many years ago, but it took a 'leap of faith' to get past that
condemning mind-set that is instilled us as a child. I understand how a
person of faith can be torn between that belief and the 'cold truth' that is
presented to him/her in real time. It is an absolute clash of nature.
"Check your brains at the door and pick up your crayons!" is a favorite
quote by a local radio personality with a show about GOD and all the related
subjects every Sunday morning. I believe he is the product of a Jesuit
Seminary...but most folk forgive him! He is a 'thinking' believer...!?! I
wouldn't care to get caught between his ears...I don't know how he makes
that work. But he has fun with the 'true-believers' that call into his
show...and we listeners get a kick out of it as well. But for all that, he
IS a believer. Go figure.
I don't think anyone appreciates being made a fool of...I didn't appreciate
it as I 'grew up'. It is a bitter pill to swallow.
I was pissed...for a very long time.
fishandchips
Bush won't listen to anyone, but talks to God. THAT is scary
>
> www.Shemakhan.com
Möbius Pretzel
> Bush won't listen to anyone, but talks to God. THAT is scary
.
Talking to god is not so scary.
What's scary is that Bush says god talks to him.
fishandchips
either way, Bush will have turkey grease dripping down his stuttering
chin as our boy's and girl's dodge bullets. I wonder what god tells
him........"good job son" ? I know his father doesn't.
get...@1upandup.com
Martin Phipps wrote:
> Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
>
> Martin
Why are religious people such trolls?
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Date: Sun, Dec 24 2006 6:43 pm
Email: "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com>
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Seriously.
People, stop feeding the troll!
Martin
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Yes Martin, why are you such a religious troll?
- Rich
Martin Phipps
I'm not a troll. I just like to imagine there are neither countries
nor religion and nothing to kill or die for. Come on, it's easy if you
try! You may say I'm a dreamer but I beet I'm not the only one. :)
Martin
Don Martin
Lookingglass wrote:
> "F Parella" <f_pa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1166971632....@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Which god are you talking about? The god of the Bible is the most
> > idiotic fantasy mankind has ever concocted.
>
>
> Well...Priapus comes close (sorry!). Is he a god? If not he should be.
He is. Ancestor to the scarecrow, too. (Perhaps Vulcan was the
progenitor of the Tin woodman).
> Anyone that can achieve what he does, deserves a hand (sorry...again!).
And a hearty round of clap . . . . .
Bill Kawalec
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"Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bill Kawalec wrote:
> "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1166960291.5...@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>
> Möbius Pretzel wrote:
> > Martin Phipps wrote:
> > > Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> > > people that they are better than others and that only they are going
> > > to
> > > heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
> > .
> >
> > The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
> > consciouness disease.
> >
> > Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
> > to hate others and think that they are better.
> >
> > (i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
>
> While it is true that that does happen, religion tends to be the worst
> example of this, and leads to problems where there would otherwise be
> none. A line I've used before is this;
>
> To refuse to fight religion as there are other sources of evil in the
> world is like refusing to fight malaria because yellow fever is also
> unpleasant.
>
>
>
> ...thus proving that you're just another douchebag. PLEASE, mr. l, tell me
> what's the difference between your hate for religion, and the hate that
> SOME
> religious folks have for gays?? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, mr.
> brainless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are going to use ad homs, you might as well make them either
witty or elegant. Yours were neither.
I hate people who hate, they hate people for doing what they want to do
with eachother, affecting no one else. If they stopped hating, so I
would not in turn hate them. It's as simple as that.
Incidentally, while I do hate fundies, and the institution of religion,
typically I do not hate individual members of most religions. I would
never go beyond words in these issues, something the homophobic fundies
do frequently.
yer so full-o-shit you stink.
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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> I never read email at the Yahoo address!
>
>
>
>
> --
> I never read email at the Yahoo address!
>
> --
>
> Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
> General Purpose Igor
>
> The Anti-Theist
>
> Convicted by Earthquack
>
> "Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > http://www.nobeliefs.com
> > >
> > > Martin
Bill Kawalec
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get...@1upandup.com
Martin Phipps wrote:
> get...@1upandup.com wrote:
> > Martin Phipps wrote:
> > > Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> > > people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> > > heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
> > >
> > > http://www.nobeliefs.com
> > >
> > > Martin
> I'm not a troll. I just like to imagine there are neither countries
> nor religion and nothing to kill or die for. Come on, it's easy if you
> try! You may say I'm a dreamer but I beet I'm not the only one. :)
>
> Martin
You do the above trolling rant, and also post for people not to troll
about religion. Look at what you posted to. What does rec.arts.tv
have to do about it? I can understand MAYBE the beatles with the song
"Imagine", but rec.arts.tv? Come on.
Also, if there is nothing you would die for, then there is nothing you
are living for, outside of the desire to keep living. Being willing to
die for something doesn't mean you go about taking out other people
with you.
- Rich
William December Starr
duke <duckg...@cox.net> said:
> Wow, you clearly know nothing about God.
He seems to know exactly as much as everybody else does.
--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
bob young
Martin Phipps wrote:
> Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
Yep in the next world war that could well be called 'The First Religious
Nuclear World War' a war that may well wipe out half of humanity in the
name of imaginary gods.
>
>
> http://www.nobeliefs.com
>
> Martin
Lookingglass
> Lookingglass wrote:
>> Well...Priapus comes close (sorry!). Is he a god? If not he should be.
> He is. Ancestor to the scarecrow, too. (Perhaps Vulcan was the
> progenitor of the Tin woodman).
Sorry...I didn't see a 'smiley' after that statement. Is this a 'true' fact?
Don Martin
Let us hope the destruction may be confined to the imaginary half (but
we know that hope is wan).
Michael Gray
<M0bius_0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1166958677.5...@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>
>Martin Phipps wrote:
>> Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
>> people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
>> heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
>The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
>consciouness disease.
>
>Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
>to hate others and think that they are better.
>
>(i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
So, by that reasoning, we should not have wiped out smallpox, as it
was "replaced" by other diseases????!!!
Bob help us all if this type of "reasoning" is widespread!
--
Don Martin
I don't _do_ smileys. And yes, apart from the speculation about Vulcan,
it is true. Priapus figures were placed in fields to encourage
fertility; as the christians came in, the figures were first draped a
bit more modestly (though what is there to be modest about with a
6-foot phallus I'll never know), and then became more humanoid,
evolving into a device to discourage birds.
It probably did not work all that well either way.
Lookingglass
;^) Thank you! I was not aware of this 'fact'...though my Golden Bough is
close at hand.
paris...@gmail.com
> > The type of religion you describe is an *effect* of a human
> > consciouness disease.
> >
> > Were there no religion, humans would find another pretense
> > to hate others and think that they are better.
> >
> > (i.e. racism, nationalism, etc.)
> You are making a claim that in effect there is a defined amount of evil
> action which much exist in the world which is shared about among the
> available causes.
Not necessarily (speaking on behalf of the original poster, Möbius
Pretzel).
> If you remove causes of conflict you will remove conflict, not shift
> that necessary conflict on *to be caused by something else*.
Okay, this gives me some leverage to qualify my previous comment.
Möbius is not claiming a finite and clearly-defined quantity of "evil"
on this planet. S/he is suggesting that the *causations* of conflict
exist within "human consciousness". Further, s/he is suggesting that
until these causations are transmuted into a form whose physical
emanations are "non-conflict", then "conflict" will continue to exist.
> Just imagine a generic "tribesman". What is he carrying? A spear and
shield by any chance? <
The purpose of the spear may not be to create war......it may be to
catch food.
> We have put aside differences and got on with not killing each other. It
is not true to suggest that violence, intolerance and hatred is a pie
of
a fixed size. We have made that pie smaller. Getting rid of religion
could make that pie smaller still. <
:) Beautifully put.
However, I maintain - in agreement with Möbius - that *causations*
within human consciousness are the catalysts for divisive "output",
like Religion, Nationalism, Racism, etc. And that until those *causes*
are transmuted, their *effects* will continue to manifest.
But I also feel society has made the "hatred pie" smaller by bring
(relative) prosperity into the hands of many. For example, many of us
don't endure life-threatening struggle to obtain, say, water, food, or
security for our kids.
But should that change - and I feel this is consistent with the essays
on American culture on your site - and the Earth's resources become
dangerously scarce (and human population continues to grow), we - as a
species - will be anything but compassionate towards each other.
Which saddens me, because I truly want to believe that.......
"The history of mankind is a story of uniting into bigger and bigger
groups, spreading the definition of "us" ever wider and more
diffusely."
.....has only good consequences.
Cheers,
Jason
IBen Getiner
Martin Phipps wrote:
> Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
>
> Martin
What a shallow little asshole YOU fucking are.....
IBen Getiner
Martin Phipps
Such language!
Was there a point you were trying to make? If not then shut the hell
up.
Martin
TookieLives
"IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com> wrote:
> What a shallow little asshole YOU fucking are.....
And yet still not shallower than *ANY* religious person.
Religion is for idiots.
Bill Kawalec
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"Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Martin Phipps
Martin
mcnews
Martin Phipps wrote:
> Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
> http://www.nobeliefs.com
>
> Martin
keep your eye on newt gingrich next year...
IBen Getiner
Lookingglass wrote:
> At one time in our past, religion and the state were one...and it is still
> the case today in some countries. 'Nationalism' and 'Racism' existed in the
> same soup as the 'State'...I refer to ancient 'tribal' history.
>
Oh, you're so advanced now-days, thought aren't you? Higher up on your
'evolutionary scale', no doubt.. Thinks we all should be so we can all
can be as empty as you.
> Even today here in the US, folks keep refering to the myth that ...'Our
> ancestors founded this country on *these* (read Christian) particular
> beliefs'...exclusive of all the *other* beliefs.
But you just said....... "At one time in our past, religion and the
state were one". LOL..!! Make up your wishy-washy mind, you brazen
little hypocrite!
> And yet we live in a
> country of 'religious freedom'. What is unfortunate is the seperation
> between the church (read Christian) and State is being worn down in favor of
> the Christian Fundamentalists.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
Congress has made no law establishing any particular religion. As you
are fully aware, the Founders were deeply concerned about the
establishment of a state-instituted religion, since they themselves had
fled their own native homeland for this very reason (hence the
truthfulness of your "At one time in our past, religion and the state
were one" observation). The way it must read to support your
interpretation would be: "Congress shall make no law concerning any
particular religion". Not an establishment thereof. Your views are
thereby irrelevant.
Because you are an atheist-secularist who fears the establishment of a
common code of morality, you have taken the reality of a simple
statement and twisted it to fit your own perverted ideology. You are
not unlike the homosexual who reasons that it must be natural to use
his rectum as a vagina since it will indeed accommodate a penis. He
twist the designs of nature in order that he might understand his
world... You twist the intentions of a group of men (the overwhelming
majority of whom were believers in God) in order to make said
intentions conform to your own perverted, id-inspired hope for the
future. You are both perverters of the truth. And just as there is only
one truth, there is, and forever shall be, only one code of morality.
See.... I've been around a while, sucker. And I remember what life was
like here before you vermin boll-weevils crapped in our drinking water
> I do not want them running our country...
It is not your country. It never was. Never will be, either.
> if they get in power, the non-believers are in for some trouble.
>
Like what? We don't care what you do, just so long as you do it behind
closed doors. The problem with you people is... you want to teach your
lying evil filth to our children. And we shan't have any more of that.
You'll have to kill us all, you know. And you will..
IBen Getiner
KenStahl
Good idea.
--
Life is a journey. You don't get to start at the end.
omare...@aol.com
Sean Carroll
> Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
Well, making everyone die *would* be the quickest way to get them to Heaven.
Killing people is no big deal if you believe life is just a dress
rehearsal for something more important.
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
'Just 'cause he says I hit him doesn't make it true. Watch. "I am
surrounded by naked cheerleaders." See?' --Dr Gregory House
Sean Carroll
> On 24 Dec 2006 03:02:40 -0800, "Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
>>people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
>>heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
> Wow, you clearly know nothing about God.
He didn't say anything about God. Only about religion.
Sean Carroll
> Möbius Pretzel wrote:
>>Talking to god is not so scary.
>>What's scary is that Bush says god talks to him.
'When you talk to God, it's prayer. When God talks to you, it's
schizophrenia.'
> either way, Bush will have turkey grease dripping down his stuttering
> chin as our boy's and girl's dodge bullets.
Many fired by Dick Cheney.
William December Starr
"IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com> said:
> Because you are an atheist-secularist who fears the establishment
> of a common code of morality,
Wouldn't you, if it didn't agree with your own such code?
> you have taken the reality of a simple statement and twisted it to
> fit your own perverted ideology. You are not unlike the
> homosexual who reasons that it must be natural to use his rectum
> as a vagina since it will indeed accommodate a penis. He twist
> the designs of nature in order that he might understand his
> world...
You say that like there's something wrong with that. You _do_
know that there's nothing at all morally wrong, per se, in
"twisting" or even "defying" the "designs of nature," right?
Right?
> You twist the intentions of a group of men (the overwhelming
> majority of whom were believers in God) in order to make said
> intentions conform to your own perverted, id-inspired hope for the
> future. You are both perverters of the truth. And just as there is
> only one truth, there is, and forever shall be, only one code of
> morality.
You sure say crazy things. Are you a crazy person?
Lava
> > majority of whom were believers in God) in order to make said
> > intentions conform to your own perverted, id-inspired hope for the
> > future. You are both perverters of the truth. And just as there is
> > only one truth, there is, and forever shall be, only one code of
> > morality.
>
> You sure say crazy things. Are you a crazy person?
>
> --
> William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
>
afterlife. The party in power has the most sway (be thay Xtian, or born
thousands of years before our current popular Gods). What many people fear
about atheism is that they think those who don't believe in God are
hopeless.
They honestly believe they have no morals. Athiests know better. They
conform to society because that is what humans are. But above anything they
do not believe any any one story to offer hope. They hope that today, and
reality, and true life is better than hope-filled and bs filled afterlife.
Go with what you know. At least that is what I believe.
Why not focus on everyday life and living that to the fullest than some hope
and made up stories that have been passed down and rewritten numerous times.
Can we not be more concerned about our current life, a life that we have
right now as you are reading this that some other life that has never been
proven and that holds us in fear if we believe in it...an afterlife that
makes us jump through hoops to get to...when we have life..right now.
Too deep I'm guessing for the average Usenet reader? Just throwing it out
there.
Lava
Martin Phipps
> When it is all said in done...all God offers is hope.
And so many of us hope they can live out our lives in peace without
some crusader or jihadist killing us.
Martin
leo sgouros
I suspect your chances of dying in a religion free country higher than
the chances of you dying in America with religion-you know, falling off
a boat, falling out of an airplane, earthquakes, fires, murder, eating
pisoned taco's-just as long as you all worry about the wrong
threats..oh wait, perhaps you dont live in america, where you have a
right to simply ignore religion?I know I do.
Some peace you got, sparky.
Martin Phipps
> Martin Phipps wrote:
> > Lava wrote:
> >
> > > When it is all said in done...all God offers is hope.
> >
> > And so many of us hope they can live out our lives in peace without
> > some crusader or jihadist killing us.
>
> the chances of you dying in America with religion-you know, falling off
> a boat, falling out of an airplane, earthquakes, fires, murder, eating
> pisoned taco's-just as long as you all worry about the wrong
> threats..oh wait, perhaps you dont live in america, where you have a
> right to simply ignore religion?I know I do.
> Some peace you got, sparky.
After September 11th, a lot of people were afraid to fly. Do you
remember why?
Martin
Lava
I'm not going to live my life in fear of that. Just like I wont' live my
life in fear of lightening bolts. I understand peoples fear and I
understand the fear people have of atheists. They are ignorant. They don't
understand and don't want to understand. Fear is one of the base human
emotions. I can't find fault with people who have to create up dream worlds
to deal with life. Without hope we are nothing really.
Lava
KenStahl
I would have taken a flight the next day if there was one.
As it was, my next business trip wasn't until October and I
just went to the airport and got on the plane just like I
have hundreds of times before. It wasn't a big deal for me.
In the annals of history, 9/11 will really not have any
particular meaning except for serving as an excuse for Bush
to start a war.
No One
> Martin Phipps wrote:
>
> > Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith, all monothesist religions teach
> > people that they are better than others and that only they are going to
> > heaven. Religion may yet be the death of us all.
>
> Well, making everyone die *would* be the quickest way to get them to Heaven.
>
> Killing people is no big deal if you believe life is just a dress
> rehearsal for something more important.
Not if you are a musician - cutting the dress rehearsal short can be a
disaster on opening night. :-)
IBen Getiner
William December Starr wrote:
> In article <1167386095.2...@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com> said:
>
> > Because you are an atheist-secularist who fears the establishment
> > of a common code of morality,
>
> Wouldn't you, if it didn't agree with your own such code?
>
I'm sorry, but you see... I am not a sewer rat, so I can't even be sure
that you people HAVE any such code.
> > you have taken the reality of a simple statement and twisted it to
> > fit your own perverted ideology. You are not unlike the
> > homosexual who reasons that it must be natural to use his rectum
> > as a vagina since it will indeed accommodate a penis. He twist
> > the designs of nature in order that he might understand his
> > world...
>
> You say that like there's something wrong with that.
> You _do_
> know that there's nothing at all morally wrong, per se, in
> "twisting" or even "defying" the "designs of nature," right?
>
> Right?
>
That depends upon whether or not your particular perversion offends our
code of morality...
> > You twist the intentions of a group of men (the overwhelming
> > majority of whom were believers in God) in order to make said
> > intentions conform to your own perverted, id-inspired hope for the
> > future. You are both perverters of the truth. And just as there is
> > only one truth, there is, and forever shall be, only one code of
> > morality.
>
> You sure say crazy things. Are you a crazy person?
>
Ahh yes, but you cared enough to write! How telling...
IBen Getiner
Zaven
and baby do I got the itch!
Sounds like a great intro for a song!
William December Starr
"IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com> said:
> William December Starr wrote:
>> In article <1167386095.2...@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> "IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com> said:
>>
>>> Because you are an atheist-secularist who fears the
>>> establishment of a common code of morality,
>>
>> Wouldn't you, if it didn't agree with your own such code?
>
> I'm sorry, but you see... I am not a sewer rat, so I can't even be
> sure that you people HAVE any such code.
Atheists aren't sewer rats either. If you think that they are then
your ability to accurately perceive reality is in grave doubt.
[ *snip* ]
>> You _do_ know that there's nothing at all morally wrong, per se,
>> in "twisting" or even "defying" the "designs of nature," right?
>>
>> Right?
>
> That depends upon whether or not your particular perversion
> offends our code of morality...
No it doesn't. There is nothing wrong, per se, in "twisting" or
even "defying" the "designs of nature." If your code of morality
holds otherwise, it is defective.
IBen Getiner
William December Starr wrote:
> In article <1167693510.4...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> "IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com> said:
>
> > William December Starr wrote:
> >> In article <1167386095.2...@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> "IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com> said:
> >>
> >>> Because you are an atheist-secularist who fears the
> >>> establishment of a common code of morality,
> >>
> >> Wouldn't you, if it didn't agree with your own such code?
> >
> > I'm sorry, but you see... I am not a sewer rat, so I can't even be
> > sure that you people HAVE any such code.
>
> Atheists aren't sewer rats either. If you think that they are then
> your ability to accurately perceive reality is in grave doubt.
>
I wasn't talking about atheists. Atheists are a rat of a different
colour. I was talking about sodomite-queers...
And talk about crazy....
29,700+ posts in the last 84 months (roughly 12 postings each and every
day for the last SEVEN YEARS) equals a no-life LOZER-KOOK. Stew away in
your tiny little world, you fucking weirdo. Read my truths, shake your
inept little fist and stew away. It's my pleasure, believe me....
IBen Getiner
LC
Schizophrenic with a healthy dose of OCD, insane troll "IBen Getiner"
<Lapp...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1167904452.0...@31g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> William December Starr wrote:
>> In article <1167693510.4...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
>> "IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com> said:
>> > William December Starr wrote:
>> >> In article <1167386095.2...@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> "IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com> said:
>> >>> Because you are an atheist-secularist who fears the
>> >>> establishment of a common code of morality,
>> >> Wouldn't you, if it didn't agree with your own such code?
>> > I'm sorry, but you see... I am not a sewer rat, so I can't even be
>> > sure that you people HAVE any such code.
>> Atheists aren't sewer rats either. If you think that they are then
>> your ability to accurately perceive reality is in grave doubt.
> I wasn't talking about atheists. Atheists are a rat of a different
> colour. I was talking about sodomite-queers...
> And talk about crazy....
> 29,700+ posts in the last 84 months (roughly 12 postings each and every
> day for the last SEVEN YEARS) equals a no-life LOZER-KOOK.
Do you really want to play 'pot, kettle, black', IBen?
Ms. Getiner, via her quiver of sockpuppets has *at least* as many posts over
the same period. Most just as bitter and vitriolic as this one.
Here's just a few of his 'altered egos':
From: "IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com>
From: "Rabbi Getiner" <onepr...@hotmail.com>
From: "J Young" <youngo...@aol.com>
From: "Jon Young" <jdyo...@volcanomail.com>
From: "Auric Hellman" <adhe...@volcanomail.com>
From: "'quack-quack'" <quack-qu...@hotmail.com>
From: "simon sez" <simo...@volcanomail.com>
From: "son of simon" <sonof...@volcanomail.com>
From: "the other simon" <sonof...@volcanomail.com>
From: "the Professor" <unive...@volcanomail.com>
From: "Lord Howard Hertz" <lordhow...@fastmail.fm>
From: hithera...@aol.com (The Nice Mean Man)
From: HITHER...@aol.com (The Nice Mean Man)
From: "LC ( lappcatt )" <LCi...@bluebottle.com>
From: "Loose Cannon" <loosec...@hotmail.com>
From: plhum...@hotmail.com (Loose Cannon)
From: "incredible J" <incre...@bluebottle.com>
From: "the good Doctor" apartm...@aol.com
From: "loose cannon" <loos...@aol.com>
From: <supera...@hotmail.com>
> Stew away in your tiny little world, you fucking weirdo.
Still haven't come to grips with that 'projection' thing, eh?
LC~ Loves watching "IBen" shoot himself in the foot...
"Do you know what I do late at nite after I've burped my say over one
and all on usenet? I read my own Google library. I pick and choose the
ones I think are the most damning and the most wry, and then I send
them to the wife, or even to my folks or the kids! I'm even building a
custom IBen Getiner library that I hope to feature one day on my own
personal IBen Getiner web site!"
From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappc...@aol.com>, just another weirdo stewing away in
his tiny little world...
Message-ID: <1148554670.9...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Sean Carroll
> keep your eye on newt gingrich next year...
Yeah, witches have been using eye of newt for centuries.
Oh, ON. Never mind.
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
'Pinkies are supposed to be pink, right? They're not called grayies.'
--Dr Gregory House