Showtime developing Israeli military drama

[David]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/showtime-good-wife-michelle-robert-king-girls-with-guns-ridley-scott-366548

Showtime Developing Female-Led Military Drama From 'Good Wife'
Creators
by Lesley Goldberg

Showtime is going into business with the creators of The Good Wife.

The premium cable network is developing Girls With Guns, a female-led
military drama from Robert and Michelle King.

The working title drama revolves around two Los Angeles sisters whose
family moves to the one place in the world where women are drafted
into the military: Israel.

Ridley Scott and David Zucker will executive produce the effort for
Scott Free Productions alongside the Kings, who will pen the project
under their overall deal with CBS Television Studios. Girls With Guns
marks the duo's first new project from the Emmy-nominated Kings. The
Kings inked a three-year deal with CBS Television Studios in April.
Girls With Guns continues the Kings' relationship with Good Wife
producers Scott Free.

CBS' Good Wife, which returns for its fourth season in September, has
collected a Peabody Award in addition to SAG and Emmy series mentions,
collecting 21 Emmy nominations overall in its first three seasons.

The hourlong project comes as Showtime is nearing the end of its
signature drama, Dexter, which was renewed for what likely could be
the final two seasons of the Michael C. Hall starrer.

Girls With Guns comes days after Showtime announced development on a
female-fronted comedy from Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Marti Noxon,
which will help fill the void left by the departures of female-led
comedies Weeds and The Big C. The network is also developing Angie's
Body, a mob drama from Jodie Foster.

If ordered to series, the Noxon and Kings' vehicles could join the two
male-led dramas Showtime recently picked up -- Liev Schreiber's Ray
Donovan and the Michael Sheen effort Masters of Sex.

[Barry Margolin]

In article <bEu%r.1924$Vf1....@newsfe23.iad>,
IBDFW <IBD...@invalid.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:22:51 -0400, David wrote:
>
> > The working title drama revolves around two Los Angeles sisters whose
> > family moves to the one place in the world where women are drafted into
> > the military: Israel.
> >
>

> Ummmm... *US Citizens* who immigrate to country x? Where *NON CITIZENS*
> are being drafted? So is this the policy of the country listed or there
> more to this...

Israel's Law of Return says that Jews who emigrate to Israel are
immediately eligible for citizenship. If they become citizens, then
they're required to perform military service.

--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

[Obveeus]

"Barry Margolin" <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> IBDFW <IBD...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:22:51 -0400, David wrote:
>>
>> > The working title drama revolves around two Los Angeles sisters whose
>> > family moves to the one place in the world where women are drafted into
>> > the military: Israel.
>> >
>>
>> Ummmm... *US Citizens* who immigrate to country x? Where *NON CITIZENS*
>> are being drafted? So is this the policy of the country listed or there
>> more to this...
>
> Israel's Law of Return says that Jews who emigrate to Israel are
> immediately eligible for citizenship. If they become citizens, then
> they're required to perform military service.

Evereyone has to serve, unless they are Arabs or Christians or Hasidics or
etc... Still, it seems that the simple solution for these two sister (if
they did not want to join the Israeli military) is to *not* apply to be
Israeli citizens.

[Ed Stasiak]

> IBDFW

>
> Ummmm... *US Citizens* who immigrate to country x? Where
> *NON CITIZENS* are being drafted? So is this the policy of the
> country listed or there more to this...

I've read that American born, U.S. citizens of Greek decent can
be forcibly drafted into the Greek military if they reside in Greece
for longer than 6 months or so.

[Obveeus]

Greece has a military? If they are so worried about going bankrupt, that
seems like the first place to save money. Dissolve the military entirely.

[Mason Barge]

On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:07:35 GMT, IBDFW <IBD...@invalid.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:22:51 -0400, David wrote:
>

>> The working title drama revolves around two Los Angeles sisters whose
>> family moves to the one place in the world where women are drafted into
>> the military: Israel.
>>
>

>Ummmm... *US Citizens* who immigrate to country x? Where *NON CITIZENS*
>are being drafted? So is this the policy of the country listed or there
>more to this...
>

>Hmmm..sounds like payback for the Homeland deal.... depending on cast
>might get a sample....

You sound like you are under the mistaken assumption that only citizens of
a country are drafted into the military in time of war.

In most countries, including the United States, non-resident aliens are
subject to the draft. And I think, often, they are not even "permanent"
residents.

[Michael Black]

Does it work that way? Since the country belongs to every Jewish person,
do you really have a choice in the matter?

For that matter, if you move there, does the country let you live there
without becoming a citizen?

I seem to recall reading recently, a reminder, that in the US non-citizens
can be drafted, if there is a draft. I can't remember whether it was
about people working towards citizenship, or if illegal aliens can be
drafted too.

Michael

[Michael Black]

I suspect that might be more like citizens of another country but of Greek
descent have some claim to living in Greece that the average person
doesn't, and then someone who lives there more than 6 months (the Greek
descent allowing for that) may or will be drafted.

The US will apparently draft (if there is a draft) non-citizens, I can't
remember the specifics, but likely the same sort of thing.

A friend of mine, who came as a young child to Canada from Italy because
his father had some job here with ICAO, had some trouble on at least one
visit to Italy, they expecting him to serve in the military when he hadn't
been living in Italy for decades. I can't remember if he'd become a
Canadian citizen at that point, he'd clearly made a choice to live in
Canada. He had to get some special exemption to visit his parents once
they moved back to italy.

Michael

[Obveeus]

"Michael Black" <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, Obveeus wrote:
>> Evereyone has to serve, unless they are Arabs or Christians or Hasidics
>> or
>> etc... Still, it seems that the simple solution for these two sister (if
>> they did not want to join the Israeli military) is to *not* apply to be
>> Israeli citizens.
>>
> Does it work that way? Since the country belongs to every Jewish person,
> do you really have a choice in the matter?
> For that matter, if you move there, does the country let you live there
> without becoming a citizen?

I'm not really sure how much choice they have, though they certainly would
have the choice to move back to the USA when they turn 18. As it is, they
should just be glad that they are female. According to wiki, women are only
conscripted for 2 years of service while the men are forced to do 3
years...and the men are the only ones forced into actual 'combat' positions.

[Mason Barge]

On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:22:51 -0400, David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/showtime-good-wife-michelle-robert-king-girls-with-guns-ridley-scott-366548
>
>Showtime Developing Female-Led Military Drama From 'Good Wife'
>Creators
>by Lesley Goldberg
>
>Showtime is going into business with the creators of The Good Wife.
>
>The premium cable network is developing Girls With Guns, a female-led
>military drama from Robert and Michelle King.
>
>The working title drama revolves around two Los Angeles sisters whose
>family moves to the one place in the world where women are drafted
>into the military: Israel.

Is this going to be "G.I.Jane" or "Private Benjamin"?

[Ed Stasiak]

> Michael Black
> > Ed Stasiak

> >
> > I've read that American born, U.S. citizens of Greek decent can
> > be forcibly drafted into the Greek military if they reside in Greece
> > for longer than 6 months or so.
>
> I suspect that might be more like citizens of another country but
> of Greek descent have some claim to living in Greece that the
> average person doesn't, and then someone who lives there
> more than 6 months (the Greek descent allowing for that) may
> or will be drafted.

That's what I said.

> A friend of mine, who came as a young child to Canada from Italy

But the Greeks will draft you into the military even if you're a 4th
or 5th generation American-born citizen of the U.S. of A., all that
matters to them is your Greek ancestry no matter how far back
it goes.

This came up back in 2004 in rec.sports.olympics during the Athens
games where I called bullshit on the claim and was provided with
several links (no longer valid) proving me wrong, in addition to being
called a dickwad;

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.olympics/browse_frm/thread/f4b148632124f0eb/b928ffbc7c2a8721?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=estasiak+Greek#b928ffbc7c2a8721

[Mason Barge]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:48:40 GMT, IBDFW <IBD...@invalid.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:18:05 -0400, Mason Barge wrote:
>
>> In most countries, including the United States, non-resident aliens are
>> subject to the draft. And I think, often, they are not even "permanent"
>> residents.
>

>No I am referring to *mandatory* or *compulsory* service in a military
>for a country your not a citizen of... not the same as draft, and even
>then I would question applying drafts to *immigrants* unless they are
>*permanent resident aliens* ie: posses in the case of the US a green card.
>
>Countries like israel, Sweden etc. have compulsory service, thats fine
>as long as it applies to *their* citizens. Applying it to resident
>aliens would be dangerous and if I lived in a country like that you can
>be sure that no child of mine would serve in a countries military I was
>not a citizen of. I am not a citizen of that country I am visitor, long
>term visitor, *not a citizen*.

The draft is just compulsory military service that applies to only a
portion of the population, decided by lottery.

And if you live in the US, you *do* live in a country that, at least
legally, is empowered to compel military service of non-citizens.

Heck, in the Civil War, Irishmen got drafted right off the ships.

[Obveeus]

"Mason Barge" <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And if you live in the US, you *do* live in a country that, at least
> legally, is empowered to compel military service of non-citizens.

...and joining up in the military is actually a good way to become a
citizen.

[David Barnett]

In article <dqqv381cpk1fqggp8...@4ax.com>,
mason...@gmail.com says...

Sounds more like "G.I.Jane" to me.

--
David Barnett

[Obveeus]

"David Barnett" <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> mason...@gmail.com says...

>> >http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/showtime-good-wife-michelle-robert-king-girls-with-guns-ridley-scott-366548
>> >
>> >Showtime Developing Female-Led Military Drama From 'Good Wife'
>> >Creators

...

>> >The working title drama revolves around two Los Angeles sisters whose
>> >family moves to the one place in the world where women are drafted
>> >into the military: Israel.
>>
>> Is this going to be "G.I.Jane" or "Private Benjamin"?
>
> Sounds more like "G.I.Jane" to me.

The part of me that is currently watching PRISONERS OF WAR sees the
'Israeli' connection and pictures a grittier version of G.I. JANE.
The part of me that read the words 'THE GOOD WIFE" is picturing PRIVATE
BENJAMIN.

Given this is Showtime, it will probably end up being PRIVATE BENGAMIN with
nudity.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <MPG.2aac1264...@news.bigpond.com>,

Stupid stupid movie title, given that the character wasn't a "G.I" ...

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[Steve Bartman]

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:00:26 GMT, IBDFW <IBD...@invalid.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:53:50 -0400, Mason Barge wrote:
>
>> The draft is just compulsory military service that applies to only a
>> portion of the population, decided by lottery.
>

>Nice twist on definition.. Compulsory service is not a draft.

You are aware the US had a non-wartime draft for decades in the 20th
C., right?

>
>> And if you live in the US, you *do* live in a country that, at least
>> legally, is empowered to compel military service of non-citizens.
>

>Cite the CFR please.

I think this is still the law . . .

US Code
TITLE 50, APPENDIX App. > MILITARY > ACT > § 453

§ 453. Registration
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this title [sections 451 to 471a
of this Appendix] it shall be the duty of every male citizen of the
United States, and every other male person residing in the United
States, who, on the day or days fixed for the first or any subsequent
registration, is between the ages of eighteen and twenty-six, to
present himself for and submit to registration at such time or times
and place or places, and in such manner, as shall be determined by
proclamation of the President and by rules and regulations prescribed
hereunder. The provisions of this section shall not be applicable to
any alien lawfully admitted to the United States as a nonimmigrant
under section 101(a)(15) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as
amended (66 Stat. 163; 8 U.S.C. 1101), for so long as he continues to
maintain a lawful nonimmigrant status in the United States.


TITLE 50, APPENDIX App. > MILITARY > ACT > § 454

§ 454. Persons liable for training and service
(a) Age limits; training in National Security Training Corps; physical
and mental fitness; adequate training facilities; assignment to
stations and units; training period; medical specialist categories
Except as otherwise provided in this title [sections 451 to 471a of
this Appendix], every person required to register pursuant to section
3 of this title [section 453 of this Appendix] who is between the ages
of eighteen years and six months and twenty-six years, at the time
fixed for his registration, or who attains the age of eighteen years
and six months after having been required to register pursuant to
section 3 of this title [section 453 of this Appendix], or who is
otherwise liable as provided in section 6 (h) of this title [section
456 (h) of this Appendix], shall be liable for training and service in
the Armed Forces of the United States: Provided, That each registrant
shall be immediately liable for classification and examination, and
shall, as soon as practicable following his registration, be so
classified and examined, both physically and mentally, in order to
determine his availability for induction for training and service in
the Armed Forces: Provided further, That, notwithstanding any other
provision of law, any registrant who has failed or refused to report
for induction shall continue to remain liable for induction and when
available shall be immediately inducted. The President is authorized,
from time to time, whether or not a state of war exists, to select and
induct into the Armed Forces of the United States for training and
service in the manner provided in this title [said sections]
(including but not limited to selection and induction by age group or
age groups) such number of persons as may be required to provide and
maintain the strength of the Armed Forces.


Steve

[Michael Black]

On Sat, 1 Sep 2012, IBDFW wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:11:29 -0400, Obveeus wrote:
>
>> Evereyone has to serve, unless they are Arabs or Christians or Hasidics
>> or etc... Still, it seems that the simple solution for these two sister
>> (if they did not want to join the Israeli military) is to *not* apply to
>> be Israeli citizens.
>

> Thats what I am getting at...
>
> Does this apply to Resident Aliens or what ever term the israelis use...
>
> Same for draft?
>
> Same for compulsory service? Which is *NOT* the same as a draft! A draft
> is done in war at time of need. Compulsory service is required service of
> all say all HS graduates for x years or what ever..
>
>
The US kept the draft going in the fifties through the Vietnam war. I
can't remember if it stopped after WWII and then started up for Korea, or
just kept going. Which is why Elvis got drafted and gave up him music
career for movies. As Viet Nam heated up, they never had to introduce a
draft. It was the one time the US had a peacetime draft.

Then it stopped as Vietnam war down.

But never fear, the US has had a draft registration since July of 1980, as
a male turns 18 they are supposed to go to the post office and register.
The first people who had to register are now too old to be drafted.
Initially if you refused to register and made a fuss, you did end up going
to trial. People were convicted, I'm not sure how much time they served
if any. It's been too long. Nowadays I dont' think you can do anything to
be charged, but of course there are things you can't do (I think like
educational funding, I'm not sure exactly what) if you aren't registered,
so those who don't are punished indirectly.

"Compulsory service" varies. Note that in the Switzerland and Israeli,
it's less about keeping the armies fortified as it is to ensure that there
is a large pool of people who have been trained who can come running when
needed. I seem to recall the UK had "compulsory service" where the boys
had to do time in the military, I don't know if that's still in effect.

Michael

[Mason Barge]

On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 20:19:30 GMT, IBDFW <IBD...@invalid.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 18:41:00 -0500, Steve Bartman wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:00:26 GMT, IBDFW <IBD...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:53:50 -0400, Mason Barge wrote:
>>>
>>>> The draft is just compulsory military service that applies to only a
>>>> portion of the population, decided by lottery.
>>>
>>>Nice twist on definition.. Compulsory service is not a draft.
>>
>> You are aware the US had a non-wartime draft for decades in the 20th C.,
>> right?
>
>

>Yes... and still draft is NOT compulsory service.

The draft is absolutely compulsory service.

I think what you mean to say is that it is not universal compulsory
service.

[Steve Bartman]

On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 20:19:30 GMT, IBDFW <IBD...@invalid.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 18:41:00 -0500, Steve Bartman wrote:
>

>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:00:26 GMT, IBDFW <IBD...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:53:50 -0400, Mason Barge wrote:
>>>
>>>> The draft is just compulsory military service that applies to only a
>>>> portion of the population, decided by lottery.
>>>
>>>Nice twist on definition.. Compulsory service is not a draft.
>>
>> You are aware the US had a non-wartime draft for decades in the 20th C.,
>> right?
>
>

>Yes... and still draft is NOT compulsory service.

What Mason said.

>
>Interesting.. but for 99% of the resident aliens most are here just to
>move get the freedom they don't have in country x.

The freedom to work? Maybe. I would dispute your 99% though. There are
lots of visa types for skilled workers. And a lot are married to
citizens.

they don't assimilate
>like immigrants of the past, have no interest in being citizens, and no
>allegiance to the US.... so drafting them would be a real prize for the
>US Military...a prize they don't need.

We haven't had a draft since 1973. If we ever need one again it'll be
different than last time. Currently we have many non-citizens serving
in our active wars and from everything I've heard they've done a
magnificent job.

>Plus in the most litigious country on the planet and universe, the US...
>I can see this being tested in court.

On what basis exactly?


Steve

[hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com]

On Sep 1, 9:04 pm, Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:

> The US kept the draft going in the fifties through the Vietnam war.  I
> can't remember if it stopped after WWII and then started up for Korea, or
> just kept going.

When WW II ended draft calls dropped dramatically, but there was still
a draft. There was great civilian pressure to 'bring the boys home'
as soon as the war ended. This was a problem because troops were
needed for occupation duty and transportation did not have enough
capacity to bring everyone home at once.

The author of a personal memoir, "From Dits to Bits", wrote about
being drafted at the end of the war.

Physicist Richard Feynman had a draft exemption while working at Los
Alamos, but was called in after the war. He tricked the psychiatrist;
and he wrote about it in his memoir.

During the Vietnam era, it was relatively easy for a college educated
person to get an exemption from the draft--first for being a student,
second by working in an "essential" job. "Essential" had a very broad
definition. (I believe teachers were exempt). It certainly was not
100%--plenty of grads did get drafted--but they were better off than
the population as a whole.

Around 1970 they decided to tighten up on that, but draft calls became
low that it didn't matter; then the draft was discontinued altogether.


If the draft is ever reinstated I suspect women will be included.

As an aside, today's military outsources a lot of tasks to civilian
contractors instead of using soldiers.

[Mason Barge]

On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 22:47:41 GMT, IBDFW <IBD...@invalid.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 17:19:33 -0400, Mason Barge wrote:
>> The draft is absolutely compulsory service.
>>
>> I think what you mean to say is that it is not universal compulsory
>> service.
>

>No you want to combine, alter, twist the definitions for your own use and
>benefit.
>
>Compulsory service is one form of military service required of all
>persons of a group set by the government or whom ever..
>
>Draft means its a lottery where persons registered in the lottery may or
>*may not* be called to serve depending on the need for a draft war, hot
>or cold, some sort of mass retirement, low enlistment what ever... There
>is a chance that those in the draft pool may not be draft, in a war, not
>likely, its simply a matter of time, but there is a chance....
>
>COMPULSORY SERVICE = you serve, period.
>
>I like the phrase some one else used on another thread... "Any sentient
>human would understand this."

Shouting doesn't make you right. I assure you I am sentient and am able
to understand what you say.

I googled "compulsory military service definition" and here is the start
of what I got in the Free Dictionary:

"Compulsory enrollment and induction into the military service.

Conscription is commonly known as the draft, but the concepts are not
exactly the same. Conscription is the compulsory induction of individuals
into the Armed Services, whereas the draft is the procedure by which
individuals are chosen for conscription. Men within a certain age group
must register with the Selective Service for possible conscription, but
conscription itself was suspended in 1973."

I have no doubt someone has used the term to mean what you say it means.
But the general use of the term seems to be that "compulsory" means
compulsory and "universal" means everyone.