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Mason Barge  
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 More options Oct 8 2012, 4:09 pm
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
From: Mason Barge <masonba...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 16:10:13 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2012 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: What Did You Watch? 2012-09-27 (Thursday)
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:53:50 -0500, "David Loewe, Jr."

<dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:00:55, Mason Barge <masonba...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:22:46, "David V. Loewe, Jr"
>><davelo...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:54:15, Mason Barge <masonba...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>Whatever else, how would the Captain know that he wasn't going to hurt
>>>>anyone by detonating a thermonuclear device, even if it WAS 200 miles out
>>>>in the Atlantic.

>>>>I'd say, he'd be likely to kill a lot of people,
>>>>not to mention, severely

>>>Who?  Good grief, you practically have to be under the thing at sea to
>>>be killed by it.

>>><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossroads>

>>>>impact the entire North Atlantic fishing industry.  

>>>How?

>>>Do you have any earthly idea how many nuclear tests were conducted by
>>>the US, UK and France in the Pacific without severely impacting the
>>>Pacific fishing industry?

>>><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_Uni...>

>>>Castle Bravo alone was over 30 times bigger than that W88.  Over 30 of
>>>the Pacific shots were larger than the W88.

>>><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Grapple>

>>><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moruroa>

>>>>Thousands of tons of severely radioactive plankton are going to end up
>>>>concentrated in the fish we love to eat.

>>>Nonsense.

>>Well, okay, I overstated the problem, but I still think it's bigger than
>>your total dismissal.  This wasn't an air burst, as you seem to assume. It
>>was at or below sea level.

>You are wrong.  I have been assuming a surface burst.

>>Do you know why Bikini could not be reinhabited after the testing?  It
>>wasn't because of ground radiation; it was because the natives' food
>>source, fish, was unsafe long after the surface/underwater testing had
>>occurred.

>In confined waters with lots of material available to activate.

That actually cuts the other way.  It was the lagoon that limited the
spread.

> The
>impact point seen on screen was 75 miles out into the open ocean (near
>the Gulf Stream) with nothing but water and dissolved minerals to
>activate.  The currents would carry that out away from land and disperse
>it throughout the North Atlantic.

I'm sure the commercial fishing industry will be disappointed to hear
that, and the huge mass of phytoplankton in the Gulf Stream will likely be
unhappy to hear they don't exist.

>Doses would be barely above background - if that.

Huh?  Doses would be lethal near the explosion and lower as you move away.
And doses of radioactive Polonium and ceseum are already higher, around
the world, due to radioactive fallout.

The problem is, large fish towards the top of the food chain, i.e. the
ones we eat, concentrate these chemicals.  Epipelgic teleosts, such as
herring and sardines, tend to have very high concentrations of Po 210.
Marine life can have 100,000 times the "background" concentration of Po
210 in the ambient seawater.


 
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