ABC cancels "Last Resort," "Park Avenue"

[David]

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last-resort-856214

ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)

LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."

Both series however will continue to broadcast their initial
13-episode orders on Sundays and Thursdays, respectively.

The news was first reported by Deadline.com.

"Last Resort" and "666 Park Avenue" both posted a 1.3 rating among
adults 18-49 in their most recent telecasts, matching their series
lows.

Last year's time period holders "Charlie's Angels" and "Pan Am"
suffered similar fates as the former served up a 1.1 in said demo for
its final Thursday broadcast (11/10/11) while the latter - following
the more potent "Desperate Housewives" - actually outperformed "666"
in year-to-year comparisons (1.8 on 11/13/11).

[Obveeus]

"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last-resort-856214
>
> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
>
> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
> freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."
>
> Both series however will continue to broadcast their initial
> 13-episode orders on Sundays and Thursdays, respectively.

I am not surprised at all to see 666 cancelled as it is doing horribly. I
am a bit surprised to see LAST RESORT cancelled just because ABC has done so
poorly in the timeslot for so long.

[Rich]

David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:fmjda89l89sudako9...@4ax.com:

> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-aven

I wish the'd lasted the season, maybe they'll run them out, but Last
Resort was one of the few adult series on network TV.

[Dimensional Traveler]

ABC has not been quoted as saying "We give up. We admit that despite
our best efforts we were unable to make a show as stupid as 'Revolution'
and congratulate NBC on its ability to sink so much faster than us."


--
The 'Enterprise' crew in the 2009 Star Trek are adrenaline addicted,
hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with
methamphetamine, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate
wouldn't tolerate.

[JRStern]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:41:11 -0500, David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last-resort-856214
>
>ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"

... but soon to introduce:

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Rarest Slot


J.

[Ashton Crusher]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:10:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 11/16/2012 3:41 PM, David wrote:
>> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last-resort-856214
>>
>> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
>> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
>>
>> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
>> freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."
>>
>> Both series however will continue to broadcast their initial
>> 13-episode orders on Sundays and Thursdays, respectively.
>>
>> The news was first reported by Deadline.com.
>>
>> "Last Resort" and "666 Park Avenue" both posted a 1.3 rating among
>> adults 18-49 in their most recent telecasts, matching their series
>> lows.
>>
>> Last year's time period holders "Charlie's Angels" and "Pan Am"
>> suffered similar fates as the former served up a 1.1 in said demo for
>> its final Thursday broadcast (11/10/11) while the latter - following
>> the more potent "Desperate Housewives" - actually outperformed "666"
>> in year-to-year comparisons (1.8 on 11/13/11).
>>
>ABC has not been quoted as saying "We give up. We admit that despite
>our best efforts we were unable to make a show as stupid as 'Revolution'
>and congratulate NBC on its ability to sink so much faster than us."

How in god's name can Revolution continue and Last Resort get
cancelled!!!

[Barry Margolin]

In article <0vdea85qigdegk381...@4ax.com>,

Ashton Crusher <de...@moore.net> wrote:

> How in god's name can Revolution continue and Last Resort get
> cancelled!!!

Because more people are watching Revolution.

Blame the viewers, not the networks.

--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

[shawn]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:08:46 -0700, Ashton Crusher <de...@moore.net>
wrote:

ABC has better ratings for their shows than NBC so they feel better
about killing off a weak performer.

[Hunter]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:41:11 -0500, David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last-resort-856214
>
>ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
>By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
>
>LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
>freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."
>
>Both series however will continue to broadcast their initial
>13-episode orders on Sundays and Thursdays, respectively.
>
>The news was first reported by Deadline.com.
>
>"Last Resort" and "666 Park Avenue" both posted a 1.3 rating among
>adults 18-49 in their most recent telecasts, matching their series
>lows.

-----
Disapointed to see both go but not surprised. Both lost close to half
their audience since their premiers.:"666 Park Avenue" 6.9 million
down to 3.9 million. And "Last Resort" from 9.31 million to 5.68
million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/666_Park_Avenue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Resort_(U.S._TV_series)

>
>Last year's time period holders "Charlie's Angels" and "Pan Am"
>suffered similar fates as the former served up a 1.1 in said demo for
>its final Thursday broadcast (11/10/11) while the latter - following
>the more potent "Desperate Housewives" - actually outperformed "666"
>in year-to-year comparisons (1.8 on 11/13/11).

-----
"Pan Am" had some hope of coming back which didn't pan out. Niether
can be said of "Last Resort" and "666 Park Avenue".

------>Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907

[Stan Brown]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:41:11 -0500, David wrote:
> Both series however will continue to broadcast their initial
> 13-episode orders on Sundays and Thursdays, respectively.
>

And we know from experience how likely it is that that will actually
happen.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

[Michael Black]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012, Stan Brown wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:41:11 -0500, David wrote:
>> Both series however will continue to broadcast their initial
>> 13-episode orders on Sundays and Thursdays, respectively.
>>
>
> And we know from experience how likely it is that that will actually
> happen.
>

Next week it's probably off because of US Thanksgiving special
programming, then if they can find an excuse for a replacement the next
week, they should be okay. After that, people will assume it's missing
due to Christmas programming (yes indeed, one "local" radio station went
all Christmas music yesterday, it's that time of the year) and that will
give it about another month for people to forget about it.

Michael

[EGK]

Forget about what? :)

[Ian J. Ball]

In article <0vdea85qigdegk381...@4ax.com>,
Ashton Crusher <de...@moore.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:10:27 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >On 11/16/2012 3:41 PM, David wrote:
>
> >> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-l
> >> ast-resort-856214
> >>
> >> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
> >> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
> >>
> >> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
> >> freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."
> >>
> >> Both series however will continue to broadcast their initial
> >> 13-episode orders on Sundays and Thursdays, respectively.
> >>
> >> The news was first reported by Deadline.com.
> >>
> >> "Last Resort" and "666 Park Avenue" both posted a 1.3 rating among
> >> adults 18-49 in their most recent telecasts, matching their series
> >> lows.
>> >

> >ABC has not been quoted as saying "We give up. We admit that despite
> >our best efforts we were unable to make a show as stupid as 'Revolution'
> >and congratulate NBC on its ability to sink so much faster than us."
>
> How in god's name can Revolution continue and Last Resort get
> cancelled!!!

Because you guys are numbskulls - "Last Resort" is far dumber (and more
insultingly so) than "Revolution", the latter of which plays more like a
harmless 1970s Saturday morning kids show.

--
"Surf-crazed aliens... Of course." - Amber, "Alien Surf Girls",
Episode #1.1, "Wipeout".
Wait a minute... "Of course"?! "*Of course*"?!! Did I miss a step here??!!

[Michael Bowker]

Exactly!

[Ian J. Ball]

In article <fmjda89l89sudako9...@4ax.com>,
David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last

> -resort-856214
>
> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
>
> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
> freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."

That's really too bad in the case of "666 Park Avenue", which at least
seemed to come off like a series that had some idea where it was going.

I mean, they couldn't ignore that ratings I guess, but "666 P.A." was
actually pretty good.

> Both series however will continue to broadcast their initial
> 13-episode orders on Sundays and Thursdays, respectively.

I hope they don't renege on that... >:/


Ian (Well, this certainly f***s me over Thursdays at 8pm again - why
can't *any* of the networks manage to put *anything* good on at 8pm,
Monday through Thursday nights??!!... :/ )

[inf...@mindspring.com]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:39 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>In article <fmjda89l89sudako9...@4ax.com>,
> David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last
>> -resort-856214
>>
>> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
>> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
>>
>> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
>> freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."
>
>That's really too bad in the case of "666 Park Avenue", which at least
>seemed to come off like a series that had some idea where it was going.
>

I read somewhere that Sandy damaged many of their sets and that may
have been a factor - Not wanting to spend money to rebuild for a show
that was on the bubble.

[Mason Barge]

Bah! Revolution just has a younger cast. It is easily as stupid as Last
Resort. It's a CW show with some violence.

[Mason Barge]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:39 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>In article <fmjda89l89sudako9...@4ax.com>,
> David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last
>> -resort-856214
>>
>> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
>> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
>>
>> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
>> freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."
>
>That's really too bad in the case of "666 Park Avenue", which at least
>seemed to come off like a series that had some idea where it was going.
>
>I mean, they couldn't ignore that ratings I guess, but "666 P.A." was
>actually pretty good.

Exactly.

[Robin Miller]

Last Resort was completely crazy but it was probably my favorite new
show. I'm pretty bummed about this. Basically, all the dramas I like get
cancelled during or at the end of their first season. Last season I
liked Terra Nova, Missing, and Awake.

--Robin

[Stan Brown]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:39 -0800, Ian J. Ball wrote:

> Ian (Well, this certainly f***s me over Thursdays at 8pm again - why
> can't *any* of the networks manage to put *anything* good on at 8pm,
> Monday through Thursday nights??!!... :/ )

/Big Bang Theory/ has seen better days, but how can you characterize
/30 Rock/ as "nothing good/?

[Obveeus]

REVOLUTION is the highest rated new drama this season. it is in no danger
of being cancelled...even if it was on CBS.

[Obveeus]

"Robin Miller" <compl...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> I am not surprised at all to see 666 cancelled as it is doing horribly.
>> I
>> am a bit surprised to see LAST RESORT cancelled just because ABC has done
>> so
>> poorly in the timeslot for so long.
>
> Last Resort was completely crazy but it was probably my favorite new show.
> I'm pretty bummed about this. Basically, all the dramas I like get
> cancelled during or at the end of their first season. Last season I liked
> Terra Nova, Missing, and Awake.

Of all these shows, I'd most wish for more episodes of AWAKE.

[Obveeus]

"Mason Barge" <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:33:34 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
> <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>

>> Ashton Crusher <de...@moore.net> wrote:
>>> How in god's name can Revolution continue and Last Resort get
>>> cancelled!!!
>>
>>Because you guys are numbskulls - "Last Resort" is far dumber (and more
>>insultingly so) than "Revolution", the latter of which plays more like a
>>harmless 1970s Saturday morning kids show.
>
> Bah! Revolution just has a younger cast. It is easily as stupid as Last
> Resort.

Nope. LAST RESORT was winning the stupidity war hands down. Now, with it
being cancelled, the contest will have to be between REVOLUTION and
ARROW...and ARROW is winning that war for stupider show.

[Obveeus]

"Stan Brown" <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:41:11 -0500, David wrote:
>> Both series however will continue to broadcast their initial
>> 13-episode orders on Sundays and Thursdays, respectively.
>>
> And we know from experience how likely it is that that will actually
> happen.

I can see it happening. ABC can't dump their shows to Saturday burnoff
because they have College Football programmed there.

[Obveeus]

"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

> Ian (Well, this certainly f***s me over Thursdays at 8pm again - why
> can't *any* of the networks manage to put *anything* good on at 8pm,
> Monday through Thursday nights??!!... :/ )

MONDAY: HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER...then a half hour of nothing. On the
bright side, CARRIE DIARIES comes in January. ;-)
TUESDAY: yep...nothing.
WEDNESDAY: SURVIVOR, WHITNEY, THE NEIGHBORS, and ARROW. All watchable,
though ARROW makes me wince at the badness frequently.
THURSDAY: yep...nothing.
FRIDAY: nothing.
SATURDAY and SUNDAY: nothing aside from sports.

[Robin Miller]

I thought it was a fascinating premise. And the acting was good. But no
one ever watched it. Of course, odds are always against mid-season shows
to start with.

--Robin

[David Barnett]

In article <k88rq9$gvc$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
says...

I find ARROW more interesting & entertaining than
REVOLUTION.
I admit there are stupidities in both, but I ignore them.
REVOLUTION would appeal to me more if it dealt with the
pendants more than the trekking over the countryside & had
less brutality.

--
David Barnett

[Obveeus]

Yep. For lots of TV viewers, 'mid season replacement' equates with 'not
good enough for Fall season to don't bother sampling it.'

[Obveeus]

"David Barnett" <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> In article <k88rq9$gvc$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
> says...

>> Now, with it
>> being cancelled, the contest will have to be between REVOLUTION and
>> ARROW...and ARROW is winning that war for stupider show.
>
> I find ARROW more interesting & entertaining than
> REVOLUTION.
> I admit there are stupidities in both, but I ignore them.
> REVOLUTION would appeal to me more if it dealt with the
> pendants more than the trekking over the countryside & had
> less brutality.

I think that ARROW and LAST RESORT both have more brutality than REVOLUTION,
which is ironic given that the other two air two hours earlier in the
evening.

[David Barnett]

In article <k88u9v$h9$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
says...

How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
being branded in Revolution?
For me, brutality to women is far worse than brutality to
men.

Please note that I don't watch LAST RESORT and so I don't
know what brutality exists in that show.

--
David Barnett

[KoshN]

Nothing good on at 8PM?

MONDAY: HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER...then a half hour of nothing.

TUESDAY: NCIS.
WEDNESDAY: Yeah, not a damned thing.
THURSDAY: The Big Bang Theory, Two and a Half Men.
FRIDAY: Yeah, not a damned thing.
SATURDAY and SUNDAY: Yeah, not a damned thing.

KoshN

[Stan Brown]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:54:30 -0500, Robin Miller wrote:

>
> Obveeus wrote:

> > Of all these shows, I'd most wish for more episodes of AWAKE.
>
> I thought it was a fascinating premise. And the acting was good. But no
> one ever watched it. Of course, odds are always against mid-season shows
> to start with.

I would put /Awake/ and /Journeyman/ in the same class -- fascinating
premise, great execution, tiny audience.

It seems anything I like has a tiny audience: /Parenthood/, /666 Park
Avenue, /Partners/. (That's in descending order of quality: I
thought /Partners/ was popcorn, but good popcorn. /Parenthood/ is
right up there with /Homefront/ and /Friday Night Lights/, really
excellent shows that never got the audience they deserved.
/Parenthood/, at least, seems relatively safe for the moment because
NBC has nothing else to put on.

[Hunter]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:14:00 -0500, shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com>
wrote:

---
True. Revolution is the closest thing to a bona fide hit NBC has had
in the last five or so seasons, if not longer. Certainly not since the
Jay Leno disaster.

[David]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:04:25 -0500, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Bah! Revolution just has a younger cast. It is easily as stupid as Last
>Resort. It's a CW show with some violence.

Its not intelligently scripted or anything, but it's a decent
adventure serial. Kind of like what "Terra Nova" badly whiffed at last
season.

[David]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:15:13 -0500, Stan Brown
<the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:54:30 -0500, Robin Miller wrote:
>>
>> Obveeus wrote:
>
>> > Of all these shows, I'd most wish for more episodes of AWAKE.
>>
>> I thought it was a fascinating premise. And the acting was good. But no
>> one ever watched it. Of course, odds are always against mid-season shows
>> to start with.
>
>I would put /Awake/ and /Journeyman/ in the same class -- fascinating
>premise, great execution, tiny audience.

Both killed by people watching CBS shows they stopped enjoying a few
season prior.

[Ian J. Ball]

In article <k88rq9$gvc$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

No - "Revolution" is far dumber than "Arrow". The only thing on "Arrow"
that's pretty dumb is the ex-girlfriend, but being played by the
inexplicably hot Katie Cassidy I'm willing to overlook that.

[Ian J. Ball]

In article <MPG.2b11b8598...@news.individual.net>,

Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:39 -0800, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>
> > Ian (Well, this certainly f***s me over Thursdays at 8pm again - why
> > can't *any* of the networks manage to put *anything* good on at 8pm,
> > Monday through Thursday nights??!!... :/ )
>
> /Big Bang Theory/ has seen better days, but how can you characterize
> /30 Rock/ as "nothing good/?

With great ease?...


Ian (In the case of either show, though, it doesn't complete a full
hour - the shows each are paired with guarantees that they won't get my
"live" eyeballs during the hour...)

[Ian J. Ball]

In article <k88s6j$jfc$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Ian (Well, this certainly f***s me over Thursdays at 8pm again - why
> > can't *any* of the networks manage to put *anything* good on at 8pm,
> > Monday through Thursday nights??!!... :/ )
>
> MONDAY: HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER...then a half hour of nothing. On the
> bright side, CARRIE DIARIES comes in January. ;-)

HIMYM has been putrid for years. It's a measure of how bad that show's
gotten that I'd rather suffer through with "90210" on as "background
noise" while I do other things... :/

> TUESDAY: yep...nothing.
> WEDNESDAY: SURVIVOR, WHITNEY, THE NEIGHBORS, and ARROW. All watchable,
> though ARROW makes me wince at the badness frequently.

Forgot about "Arrow". But that's the only decent show on Wednesdays at
8pm - so, if "Arrow" ever gets moved... back to *nothin'*.

> THURSDAY: yep...nothing.
> FRIDAY: nothing.

Actually, Fridays are about to have "Nikita" back at 8pm, at least.

> SATURDAY and SUNDAY: nothing aside from sports.

Sunday has "Once Upon a Time" at 8pm (with "Amazing Race" as backup...).
OUaT is not what I'd call "good" in season #2, but at least it's
watchable... [shrug]

[David]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:31:05 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>In article <MPG.2b11b8598...@news.individual.net>,
> Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:39 -0800, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>
>> > Ian (Well, this certainly f***s me over Thursdays at 8pm again - why
>> > can't *any* of the networks manage to put *anything* good on at 8pm,
>> > Monday through Thursday nights??!!... :/ )
>>
>> /Big Bang Theory/ has seen better days, but how can you characterize
>> /30 Rock/ as "nothing good/?
>
>With great ease?...

It's uncalled for to measure every female comedy on TV against "Reba."

[Robin Miller]

Stan Brown wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:54:30 -0500, Robin Miller wrote:
>>
>> Obveeus wrote:
>
>>> Of all these shows, I'd most wish for more episodes of AWAKE.
>>
>> I thought it was a fascinating premise. And the acting was good. But no
>> one ever watched it. Of course, odds are always against mid-season shows
>> to start with.
>
> I would put /Awake/ and /Journeyman/ in the same class -- fascinating
> premise, great execution, tiny audience.

Good call. I liked Journeyman also. That was cancelled before Christmas,
if I remember correctly.

--Robin

[Adam H. Kerman]

With 666 Park Avenue cancelled, will Gavin let the network programming
executives out of the walls of the building that he had to trap to get
a commitment for the show in the first place?

[Adam H. Kerman]

Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:39 -0800, Ian J. Ball wrote:

>>Ian (Well, this certainly f***s me over Thursdays at 8pm again - why
>>can't *any* of the networks manage to put *anything* good on at 8pm,
>>Monday through Thursday nights??!!... :/ )

>/Big Bang Theory/ has seen better days, but how can you characterize
>/30 Rock/ as "nothing good/?

30 Rock has been fantastic this season. It's like the writers remembered
that the show was a comedy, or something. There was enough funny stuff on
the recent episode that even Hazel didn't kill it.

[Obveeus]

"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

> In article <k88rq9$gvc$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>> Nope. LAST RESORT was winning the stupidity war hands down. Now, with
>> it
>> being cancelled, the contest will have to be between REVOLUTION and
>> ARROW...and ARROW is winning that war for stupider show.
>
> No - "Revolution" is far dumber than "Arrow". The only thing on "Arrow"
> that's pretty dumb is the ex-girlfriend,

And a hero that is faster than a spray of speeding bullets.

> but being played by the
> inexplicably hot Katie Cassidy I'm willing to overlook that.

Hot? Maybe as hot as Mamie Gummer, but it is a close race.

[Obveeus]

"David Barnett" <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> In article <k88u9v$h9$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
> says...

>> I think that ARROW and LAST RESORT both have more brutality than
>> REVOLUTION,
>> which is ironic given that the other two air two hours earlier in the
>> evening.
>
> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> being branded in Revolution?
> For me, brutality to women is far worse than brutality to
> men.

Well, I'll agree that ARROW has avoided violence against women for the most
part, but that is also because the women are mostly portrayed as damsels in
distress. LAST RESORT had the female hostage of the mafia beat up a bit,
and the female politician gunned down but that show, too, tends to have the
executions and continuous hostage beatings reserved for the men. I'm not
perticularly inclined to think that violence doesn't count if it is against
men, though. Brutality is brutality.

[Obveeus]

"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> In article <k88s6j$jfc$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > Ian (Well, this certainly f***s me over Thursdays at 8pm again - why
>> > can't *any* of the networks manage to put *anything* good on at 8pm,
>> > Monday through Thursday nights??!!... :/ )
>>
>> MONDAY: HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER...then a half hour of nothing. On the
>> bright side, CARRIE DIARIES comes in January. ;-)
>
> HIMYM has been putrid for years. It's a measure of how bad that show's
> gotten that I'd rather suffer through with "90210" on as "background
> noise" while I do other things... :/

You have always preferred shows like 90210. It is a measure of your taste.

>> TUESDAY: yep...nothing.
>> WEDNESDAY: SURVIVOR, WHITNEY, THE NEIGHBORS, and ARROW. All watchable,
>> though ARROW makes me wince at the badness frequently.
>
> Forgot about "Arrow". But that's the only decent show on Wednesdays at
> 8pm - so, if "Arrow" ever gets moved... back to *nothin'*.

See...the worst of the 4 shows listed on Wednesday and it is the one you
like best.

>> THURSDAY: yep...nothing.
>> FRIDAY: nothing.
>
> Actually, Fridays are about to have "Nikita" back at 8pm, at least.

Like I said...nothing.

>> SATURDAY and SUNDAY: nothing aside from sports.
>
> Sunday has "Once Upon a Time" at 8pm (with "Amazing Race" as backup...).

I gave up on both of those...and THE SIMPSONS.

Mostly, I think the networks like to put the good shows on late so the
American public is sleep deprived.

[Bob(but not THAT Bob)]

David wrote:
>
> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last-resort-856214
>
> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)

Not enough people hated Last Resort enough - unlike those who watch
Revolution just to complain.

Doesn't NBC always tell viewers to go on Twitter (if there is such a
thing) during Revolution to discuss the show while it's on?

Even they know it's not worth paying much attention to!

[KoshN]

NBC has Grimm, and I think that qualifies as a bona fide hit.

KoshN

[Barry Margolin]

In article <50A846...@nowhere.com>,
"Bob(but not THAT Bob)" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> David wrote:
> >
> > http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-la

> > st-resort-856214
> >
> > ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
> > By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
>
> Not enough people hated Last Resort enough - unlike those who watch
> Revolution just to complain.
>
> Doesn't NBC always tell viewers to go on Twitter (if there is such a
> thing) during Revolution to discuss the show while it's on?

I think almost all shows are putting those bugs up these days.

--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

[Adam H. Kerman]

KoshN <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>NBC has Grimm, and I think that qualifies as a bona fide hit.

Impossible. Nielson "people meters" don't read Wessen.

[Michael Black]

Yes. I've been seeing them and wondering how they can expect to keep an
audience when everyone's busy tweeting about the show.

Yes, I realize the new internet means people with tablets and smartphones,
but I suddenly got DSL last month and while that does change things, the
reality is I find now that I can easily do something while watching tv I
do, and thus get distracted.

I am finding myself missing bits, even more than usual, because I've gone
off with my tablet to wikipedia to check something.

Michael

[BTR1701]

In article <MPG.2b12bbe6a...@news.bigpond.com>,

David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> In article <k88u9v$h9$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
> says...
> >
> > "David Barnett" <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <k88rq9$gvc$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
> > > says...
> > >> Now, with it
> > >> being cancelled, the contest will have to be between REVOLUTION and
> > >> ARROW...and ARROW is winning that war for stupider show.
> > >
> > > I find ARROW more interesting & entertaining than
> > > REVOLUTION.
> > > I admit there are stupidities in both, but I ignore them.
> > > REVOLUTION would appeal to me more if it dealt with the
> > > pendants more than the trekking over the countryside & had
> > > less brutality.
> >
> > I think that ARROW and LAST RESORT both have more brutality than
> > REVOLUTION,
> > which is ironic given that the other two air two hours earlier in the
> > evening.
>
> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> being branded in Revolution?
> For me, brutality to women is far worse than brutality to
> men.

Equality is equality. If women want to be in the armed forces, etc. it
comes with the territory. At that point, one person being brutalized
isn't any better or worse than another.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <76a36cf7-b078-4867...@googlegroups.com>,

MONDAY: BONES
TUESDAY: Nuttin'
WEDNESDAY: ARROW
THURSDAY: THE BIG BANG THEORY, LAST RESORT
FRIDAY: Nuttin'
SATURDAY: MERLIN
SUNDAY: nuttin'

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[anim8rFSK]

In article <MPG.2b12bbe6a...@news.bigpond.com>,

David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> In article <k88u9v$h9$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
> says...
> >
> > "David Barnett" <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <k88rq9$gvc$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
> > > says...
> > >> Now, with it
> > >> being cancelled, the contest will have to be between REVOLUTION and
> > >> ARROW...and ARROW is winning that war for stupider show.
> > >
> > > I find ARROW more interesting & entertaining than
> > > REVOLUTION.
> > > I admit there are stupidities in both, but I ignore them.
> > > REVOLUTION would appeal to me more if it dealt with the
> > > pendants more than the trekking over the countryside & had
> > > less brutality.
> >
> > I think that ARROW and LAST RESORT both have more brutality than
> > REVOLUTION,
> > which is ironic given that the other two air two hours earlier in the
> > evening.
>
> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> being branded in Revolution?

Well, she got over the branding *instantly*

> For me, brutality to women is far worse than brutality to
> men.
>
> Please note that I don't watch LAST RESORT and so I don't
> know what brutality exists in that show.

LAST RESORT nuked Annapolis and has killed several hundred million
people so far, presumably half of which were women, and an equal number
are probably dying horribly of radiation poisoning ...

[David Johnston]

On 11/17/2012 10:11 PM, anim8rFSK wrote:
>
>> Please note that I don't watch LAST RESORT and so I don't
>> know what brutality exists in that show.
>
> LAST RESORT nuked Annapolis

No it didn't.

[Hunter]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:38:15 -0800 (PST), KoshN
<macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>NBC has Grimm, and I think that qualifies as a bona fide hit.

-----
It is doing relatively well for NBC but I wouldn't call it a hit. In
fact I think if "Grimm" was on ABC or CBS I think it would've been on
the bubble at least:

Its pilot episode "Grimm" had 6.56 million viewers. In season one it
hit a low of 4.09 million viewers for the fifth episode. Since then
its viewership has hovered around five million on average:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grimm_episodes

Now with "Revolution"-that other NBC show with a guy named Monroe in
it-its' pilot episode had 11.65 million viewers, close to twice that
of "Grimm"s' debut. It has since falen to 7.1 million viewers the
season low with the trend still being down, but that is still doing
two million viewers better than "Grimm"'s avearge viewership this
season.or last. And "Revolutions"'s season low is still almost three
million viewers more than "Grimm"'s all time low

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Revolution_episodes#Episodes

As a comparison the just canceled "Last Resort" on ABC debuted with
9.31 million viewers and sank to 5.96 million viewers with this past
episode, the season low so far, but it is still a little better than
"Grimm" does at its best.

If "Last Resort" was on NBC I think it would likely still be in
production while if "Grimm" was on ABC it likely would've been
cancelled in its first season.

Incidently the other ABC show cancelled with "Last Resort" was "666
Park Avenue". It debuted with 6.90 million viewers and its last
episode had 3.90 million viewers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/666_Park_Avenue

I don't think even NBC would've been more tolerant, especially with
the expense of rebuilding the "SandY" damaged sets.

[shawn]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:44:31 -0700, David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
wrote:

Shush.. Don't disturb the delusional person. Just let him continue to
believe what he wants so long as he isn't hurting anyone. It won't
matter soon as ABC has launched the nukes on "Last Resort."

[Obveeus]

"Michael Black" <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012, Barry Margolin wrote:
>
>> "Bob(but not THAT Bob)" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> Doesn't NBC always tell viewers to go on Twitter (if there is such a
>>> thing) during Revolution to discuss the show while it's on?
>>
>> I think almost all shows are putting those bugs up these days.
>>
> Yes. I've been seeing them and wondering how they can expect to keep an
> audience when everyone's busy tweeting about the show.

First rule of Nielsen ratings: the meter doesn't count who is watching, it
just counts if the TV is on and who claims to be in the room with that TV.
If you spend the whole time tweeting about a show and miss half the plot,
that is a *win* for the network ratings. If you DVR the show so you can
carefully watch every single frame (and rewind frequently to catch any plot
point you miss), but FF past the commercials, that is a *lose* for the
network.

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
>> being branded in Revolution?
>
> Well, she got over the branding *instantly*

Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot (I
think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining her
wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as an
extra.

[Obveeus]

"shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote in message
news:l6uha8d012croimom...@4ax.com...

If you want to count off camera deaths, though, REVOLUTION easily has the
most, with the millions of Pakistanis killed in LAST RESORT following up.
Poor ARROW doesn't have much of any off camera deaths to boost its total.

[shawn]

Though most of the REVOLUTION deaths happened slowly over the
weeks/months/years following the power outage. With LAST RESORT the
Pakistanis went up all at once. Though we still don't know exactly who
was responsible for ordering that attack. It might have been the
President of the USA or it might be some other group that is
controlling him and is trying to kill the SEAL team. ARROW is limited
to just standard hand held weapons so far which gives it no chance to
catch up. Maybe they will have their version of the Joker, who will
come up with a poison to kill millions so that can catch up in the
death count. Still.. WIZARDS OF WAVERLY PLACE may beat them all.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k8avq1$7u3$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote in message
> news:l6uha8d012croimom...@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:44:31 -0700, David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On 11/17/2012 10:11 PM, anim8rFSK wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Please note that I don't watch LAST RESORT and so I don't
> >>>> know what brutality exists in that show.
> >>>
> >>> LAST RESORT nuked Annapolis
>

> If you want to count off camera deaths, though, REVOLUTION easily has the
> most, with the millions of Pakistanis killed in LAST RESORT following up.

Probably. Have we heard anybody omniscient say how many people died
after the blackout? Maybe they took all the bicycles and went south ...

[anim8rFSK]

In article <ab2ia8pqc5h3mm87v...@4ax.com>,

shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:45:03 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:l6uha8d012croimom...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:44:31 -0700, David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 11/17/2012 10:11 PM, anim8rFSK wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Please note that I don't watch LAST RESORT and so I don't
> >>>>> know what brutality exists in that show.
> >>>>
> >>>> LAST RESORT nuked Annapolis
> >>>
> >

> >If you want to count off camera deaths, though, REVOLUTION easily has the
> >most, with the millions of Pakistanis killed in LAST RESORT following up.
> >Poor ARROW doesn't have much of any off camera deaths to boost its total.
> >
>
> Though most of the REVOLUTION deaths happened slowly over the
> weeks/months/years following the power outage. With LAST RESORT the
> Pakistanis went up all at once. Though we still don't know exactly who
> was responsible for ordering that attack. It might have been the
> President of the USA or it might be some other group that is
> controlling him and is trying to kill the SEAL team. ARROW is limited
> to just standard hand held weapons so far which gives it no chance to
> catch up. Maybe they will have their version of the Joker, who will
> come up with a poison to kill millions so that can catch up in the
> death count. Still.. WIZARDS OF WAVERLY PLACE may beat them all.

Oooookay ... while Alex certainly kills (see Stevie) are we talking
about something that happened in the series or something that may happen
in the upcoming terrible reunion special?

And doesn't Janeway win EVERY contest? She killed everybody everywhere.

[William December Starr]

In article <k88u6s$vlf$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> said:

> "Robin Miller" <compl...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Obveeus wrote:
>>
>>> Of all these shows, I'd most wish for more episodes of AWAKE.
>>
>> I thought it was a fascinating premise. And the acting was
>> good. But no one ever watched it. Of course, odds are always
>> against mid-season shows to start with.
>

> Yep. For lots of TV viewers, 'mid season replacement' equates
> with 'not good enough for Fall season to don't bother sampling
> it.'

"and if it _is_ any good it's going to be one of those cult things
that doesn't get renewed, so I think I'll just avoid the heartbreak
altogether."

-- wds

[William December Starr]

In article <k89b44$dti$1...@dont-email.me>,

Robin Miller <compl...@invalid.com> said:

> Good call. I liked Journeyman also. That was cancelled
> before Christmas, if I remember correctly.

Yes: the last episode that aired was on Dec. 19, 2007.

Egad, has it been five years?

-- wds

[shawn]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:17:46 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:

If Alex dies in the upcoming reunion special I will forgive all that
has gone before.

>And doesn't Janeway win EVERY contest? She killed everybody everywhere.

True.. Janeway wins.. She must be related to Alex because she does it
without any concern for all the trillions that she must have killed.

[William December Starr]

In article <50a7001c$0$26891$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> said:

> ABC has not been quoted as saying "We give up. We admit that
> despite our best efforts we were unable to make a show as stupid
> as 'Revolution' and congratulate NBC on its ability to sink so
> much faster than us."

I was going to say that Fred's question about the Revolution/Last
Resort competition seems to have been answered, but I'm not sure
which way.

-- wds

[Professor Bubba]

In article <k8bfq0$eol$1...@panix2.panix.com>, William December Starr

I'm as surprised as you are. I liked Journeyman very much.

I've always appreciated that they had the courtesy to end the series
suitably. Counter-example: Lois & Clark.

[David Barnett]

In article <k89e8i$2ot$5...@news.albasani.net>,
a...@chinet.com says...
>
> With 666 Park Avenue cancelled, will Gavin let the network programming
> executives out of the walls of the building that he had to trap to get
> a commitment for the show in the first place?

LOL

--
David Barnett

[Stan Brown]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:17:52 -0500, shawn wrote:
> Though most of the REVOLUTION deaths happened slowly over the
> weeks/months/years following the power outage. With LAST RESORT the
> Pakistanis went up all at once. Though we still don't know exactly who
> was responsible for ordering that attack. It might have been the
> President of the USA

Highly unlikely. Did you miss the many references in the first two
or three episodes to the fact that the order did not come through
normal channels? If it had been the President, the order would have
come through normal channels, but it didn't so it wasn't.



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

[David Barnett]

In article <k89f1c$hf$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com

says...
>
> "David Barnett" <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>

> > In article <k88u9v$h9$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
> > says...

> >> I think that ARROW and LAST RESORT both have more brutality than
> >> REVOLUTION,
> >> which is ironic given that the other two air two hours earlier in the
> >> evening.
> >

> > How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> > being branded in Revolution?

> > For me, brutality to women is far worse than brutality to
> > men.
>

> Well, I'll agree that ARROW has avoided violence against women for the most
> part, but that is also because the women are mostly portrayed as damsels in
> distress. LAST RESORT had the female hostage of the mafia beat up a bit,
> and the female politician gunned down but that show, too, tends to have the
> executions and continuous hostage beatings reserved for the men. I'm not
> perticularly inclined to think that violence doesn't count if it is against
> men, though. Brutality is brutality.

I didn't say it didn't count.
As you say, "Brutality is brutality", and I don't like it.

--
David Barnett

[David Barnett]

In article <atropos-61FD50.20042617112012@news-
europe.giganews.com>, atr...@mac.com says...

I said "for me".
I don't deny your right to your opinion.

--
David Barnett

[David Barnett]

In article <anim8rfsk-EDCC07.22114917112012
@news.easynews.com>, anim...@cox.net says...

>
> In article <MPG.2b12bbe6a...@news.bigpond.com>,
> David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> > In article <k88u9v$h9$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
> > says...
> > >
> > > "David Barnett" <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <k88rq9$gvc$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
> > > > says...
> > > >> Now, with it
> > > >> being cancelled, the contest will have to be between REVOLUTION and
> > > >> ARROW...and ARROW is winning that war for stupider show.
> > > >
> > > > I find ARROW more interesting & entertaining than
> > > > REVOLUTION.
> > > > I admit there are stupidities in both, but I ignore them.
> > > > REVOLUTION would appeal to me more if it dealt with the
> > > > pendants more than the trekking over the countryside & had
> > > > less brutality.
> > >
> > > I think that ARROW and LAST RESORT both have more brutality than
> > > REVOLUTION,
> > > which is ironic given that the other two air two hours earlier in the
> > > evening.
> >
> > How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> > being branded in Revolution?
>
> Well, she got over the branding *instantly*

As I more or less pointed out in a previous post.
I don't think she would have in real life.
<snip as quoted in other posts>

--
David Barnett

[David Barnett]

In article <k8aua4$ucd$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
says...

I missed that bit or it didn't register with me.
Thanks for pointing it out.

--
David Barnett

[William December Starr]

In article <anim8rfsk-EDCC0...@news.easynews.com>,

anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> said:

> LAST RESORT nuked Annapolis and has killed several hundred million
> people so far, presumably half of which were women, and an equal
> number are probably dying horribly of radiation poisoning ...

Several hundred million? Did they wipe Pakistan entirely off the
map?

-- wds

[Adam H. Kerman]

William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:

It's too bad satellite channels are unable to find an audience for programs
whose seasons don't start in the fall and don't start during sweeps months
of broadcast stations.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k8bkl9$p7e$1...@panix2.panix.com>,

I thought they said 400 million? They showed 2 strikes.

Hmm. That's twice the population, isn't it. Maybe it was 40 million?
Or 4 ...

[anim8rFSK]

In article <MPG.2b13ffc4e...@news.bigpond.com>,

What he said.

[Harold Groot]

On 18 Nov 2012 16:40:57 -0500, wds...@panix.com (William December

No. Anim8rFSK simply is in error about what happened.

On the show, there were 2 nukes used against cities in Pakistan, with
reported casualties of over 4 million (dead, wounded, irradiated,
etc.). I think the actual number reported was 4.3 million, but I
don't recall for sure.

There was also a nuke sent by the Colorado that, while it was intended
to initially LOOK as if it was headed for Washington DC (very close to
Annapolis), was actually targeted 200 miles east of there (out to sea,
and presumably away from major shipping lanes). Possibly some fishing
vessels were affected, possibly some shipping that wasn't following
the major shipping lanes, maybe even some random navy vessel - but
casualties there would probably measure in the hundreds, not hundreds
of millions. Prevailing winds and ocean currents would move the
contaminated air/water away from the US.

[Robin Miller]

You know, I tend to be a little more interested in the mid-season shows
because I do think that networks tend to put their more "unusual" shows
there. You rarely see a show that's just another cop show start in
mid-season, for instance.

--Robin

[Professor Bubba]

In article <50a9824f...@news.west.earthlink.net>, Harold Groot

<que...@infionline.net> wrote:

> On 18 Nov 2012 16:40:57 -0500, wds...@panix.com (William December
> Starr) wrote:
>
> >In article <anim8rfsk-EDCC0...@news.easynews.com>,
> >anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> said:
> >
> >> LAST RESORT nuked Annapolis and has killed several hundred million
> >> people so far, presumably half of which were women, and an equal
> >> number are probably dying horribly of radiation poisoning ...
> >
> >Several hundred million? Did they wipe Pakistan entirely off the
> >map?
> >-- wds
>
> No. Anim8rFSK simply is in error about what happened.
>
> On the show, there were 2 nukes used against cities in Pakistan, with
> reported casualties of over 4 million (dead, wounded, irradiated,
> etc.). I think the actual number reported was 4.3 million, but I
> don't recall for sure.
>
> There was also a nuke sent by the Colorado that, while it was intended
> to initially LOOK as if it was headed for Washington DC (very close to
> Annapolis), was actually targeted 200 miles east of there (out to sea,
> and presumably away from major shipping lanes).

We all know that. What he's actually referring to are the visual cues
we were given in the episode as to where the target really was. We see
the mushroom cloud from the positions of the Washington Monument and
the Capitol, and the orientation of the Statue of Liberty. Someone
triangulated ground zero from that, and they say it turns out to be
approximately Annapolis, Maryland, a little over 30 miles from DC. I
haven,t done the math for myself, but the Washington POV shows the
mushroom cloud NE of the city. We know from dialogue that the missile
passed over Indiana on its way, so it had to have made a hard left
after it passed over the Washington Monument.

FWIW the cloud is very big for one that's supposed to be 200 miles away.

[Harold Groot]

That's one you really have to chalk up to Artistic License. They are
looking at making dramatic pictures that tell a story and not looking
at getting the triangulation perfect.

Very similar was the TV show Jericho (in 2006) where a mushroom cloud
over Denver was shown as being very impressibly visible roughly the
same 200 miles away to the east in the next state (Kansas). Same deal.
If it was completely out of sight, or if you could just see the
teeniest bit of the mushroom as a pinhead-sized speck on the horizon,
that just wouldn't carry the drama to the viewer.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <181120122257205268%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,

If you fire from Taratupa, you cross over Indiana on the way to
Annapolis. Which also puts them in the wrong ocean.

>
> FWIW the cloud is very big for one that's supposed to be 200 miles away.

What Bubba said.

[KoshN]

The numbers that mattter are the 18-49 number and share, not total viewers.

KoshN

[KoshN]

On Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:17:48 PM UTC-5, anim8rfsk wrote:
> And doesn't Janeway win EVERY contest? She killed everybody everywhere.

Her voice alone makes people's heads explode.

KoshN

[David Johnston]

On 11/19/2012 7:55 AM, KoshN wrote:
> The numbers that mattter are the 18-49 number and share, not total viewers.

People out of the sweet spot aren't totally discounted. They've got to
have somewhere to put the ads for adult diapers and seniors car insurance.

[Obveeus]

The people outside the sweet spot are totally discounted. They are not
worth even one red cent to the networks in primetime. Advertisers wishing
to reach that crowd can do it for far less money during the daytime TV
advertising or on geezer magnet networks such as the cable news channels,
Hallmark, AMC, etc...

[David Johnston]

Killing everyone to replace them with their exact duplicates does not
impress. Heck, every transporter does that.

[David Johnston]

On 11/18/2012 8:17 AM, Obveeus wrote:
> "Michael Black" <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012, Barry Margolin wrote:
>>
>>> "Bob(but not THAT Bob)" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> Doesn't NBC always tell viewers to go on Twitter (if there is such a
>>>> thing) during Revolution to discuss the show while it's on?
>>>
>>> I think almost all shows are putting those bugs up these days.
>>>
>> Yes. I've been seeing them and wondering how they can expect to keep an
>> audience when everyone's busy tweeting about the show.
>
> First rule of Nielsen ratings: the meter doesn't count who is watching, it
> just counts if the TV is on and who claims to be in the room with that TV.
> If you spend the whole time tweeting about a show and miss half the plot,
> that is a *win* for the network ratings.

And deserves to be. After all, those tweeters were still exposed to the
ads.

[Professor Bubba]

In article <k8dkuv$8ht$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

Obveeus is right about this. The older audience is utterly dismissed
in prime time. This may be changing a bit, since boomers aren't their
parents, and they spend money in different ways for different things,
but I don't think you'll see the upper limit of the range go past 54
any time soon. The broadcast networks' mass audience is shrinking, so
they have to grow it somehow, and establishing 18-54 as the sweet spot
is an easy way to do that. Advertisers know they're getting those
50-54s along with the 18-49s, but they don't want to pay extra for
them. As a wise man once said, "Free is better than cheap."

[Jim G.]

David sent the following on Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:41:11 -0500:
> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last-resort-856214
>
> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
>
> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
> freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."

I'd already pulled the plug on the resort, but the 666 news bums me out.
Still, after reading about the storm damage to the sets, it's not like I
didn't see this as being a real possibility.

But now that Locke is already in NYC, I wonder if he might hook back up
with Ben...

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really ready for this day to be over." -- Duke Crocker, HAVEN

[Jim G.]

Obveeus sent the following on Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:05:30 -0500:

>
> "Robin Miller" <compl...@invalid.com> wrote:
> > Obveeus wrote:

> >> "Robin Miller" <compl...@invalid.com> wrote:
> >>>> I am not surprised at all to see 666 cancelled as it is doing horribly.
> >>>> I
> >>>> am a bit surprised to see LAST RESORT cancelled just because ABC has
> >>>> done
> >>>> so
> >>>> poorly in the timeslot for so long.
> >>>
> >>> Last Resort was completely crazy but it was probably my favorite new
> >>> show.
> >>> I'm pretty bummed about this. Basically, all the dramas I like get
> >>> cancelled during or at the end of their first season. Last season I
> >>> liked
> >>> Terra Nova, Missing, and Awake.

> >>
> >> Of all these shows, I'd most wish for more episodes of AWAKE.
> >
> > I thought it was a fascinating premise. And the acting was good. But no
> > one ever watched it. Of course, odds are always against mid-season shows
> > to start with.
>
> Yep. For lots of TV viewers, 'mid season replacement' equates with 'not
> good enough for Fall season to don't bother sampling it.'

Is there anything particularly unfair about such a mindset?

[Jim G.]

Obveeus sent the following on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:19:30 -0500:

>
> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> >> being branded in Revolution?
> >
> > Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
>
> Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot (I
> think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining her
> wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as an
> extra.

Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
example...

[Jim G.]

Obveeus sent the following on Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:48:10 -0500:
>
> "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <k88rq9$gvc$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Nope. LAST RESORT was winning the stupidity war hands down. Now, with

> >> it
> >> being cancelled, the contest will have to be between REVOLUTION and
> >> ARROW...and ARROW is winning that war for stupider show.
> >

> > No - "Revolution" is far dumber than "Arrow". The only thing on "Arrow"
> > that's pretty dumb is the ex-girlfriend,
>
> And a hero that is faster than a spray of speeding bullets.

And bad guys who are armed, but who opt to take him on hand-to-hand. And
other armed guys who stand back and patiently wait their turn, rather
than just killing Ollie instantly.

[Jim G.]

Mason Barge sent the following on Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:05:16 -0500:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:39 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
> <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In article <fmjda89l89sudako9...@4ax.com>,
> > David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/11/16/abc-cancels-666-park-avenue-last

> >> -resort-856214
> >>
> >> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
> >> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
> >>
> >> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
> >> freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."
> >

> >That's really too bad in the case of "666 Park Avenue", which at least
> >seemed to come off like a series that had some idea where it was going.
> >
> >I mean, they couldn't ignore that ratings I guess, but "666 P.A." was
> >actually pretty good.
>
> Exactly.

Yep. So I've sampled four new shows this year. Two are gone by choice
(REVOLUTION and LAST RESORT) and one is gone via network decision (666
PARK AVENUE).

And if ARROW doesn't make some changes, it's likely that I'll be 0-for-4
soon.

And I'm about ready to give up on NCIS, which continues to just phone it
in. And I'm more or less just watching FRINGE for the closure that I
still don't really expect to get. And GRIMM has just gone on break.

It's a good thing I like books and sports...

[KoshN]

Is there anything particularly unfair about such a mindset? YES. Sometimes the network suit, who decided the show should be a midseason replacement, is an incompetent boob.

KoshN

[Professor Bubba]

In article <6kvka8hdq81kr7pg4...@4ax.com>, Jim G.

<jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> Obveeus sent the following on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:19:30 -0500:
> >
> > "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > >> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> > >> being branded in Revolution?
> > >
> > > Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
> >
> > Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot (I
> > think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining
> > her
> > wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as an
> > extra.
>
> Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
> focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
> her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
> example...

I don't think so. She was looking at her forearm, and the brand was
shown to be inflamed and oozing. It was a realistic depiction of a bad
burn.

This is not to be taken as a defense of the character, the actor, or
this show.

[Professor Bubba]

In article <vlvka8dh5cpqd4pai...@4ax.com>, Jim G.

<jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> And I'm about ready to give up on NCIS, which continues to just phone it
> in.

I gave up after the season premiere. The show has turned into a Xerox
machine, chugging out copies of "a petty officer is murdered" week
after week. It's just not interesting anymore.

[Stan Brown]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:04:07 GMT, Harold Groot wrote:
> On 18 Nov 2012 16:40:57 -0500, wds...@panix.com (William December
> Starr) wrote:
>

> > [quoted text muted]

> >
> >Several hundred million? Did they wipe Pakistan entirely off the
> >map?
> >-- wds
>
> No. Anim8rFSK simply is in error about what happened.
>

I'm shocked, SHOCKED!

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

[Stan Brown]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 22:57:20 -0500, Professor Bubba wrote:
> the Washington POV shows the
> mushroom cloud NE of the city. We know from dialogue that the missile
> passed over Indiana on its way, so it had to have made a hard left
> after it passed over the Washington Monument.
>

That reminds me of the /Seinfeld/ episode where Kramer and Newman
claimed Keith Hernandez had spit on them. Jerry did a re-enactment,
complete with the impossible angles, and declared, "That was one ...
MAGIC ... loogie."

[Stan Brown]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 22:57:20 -0500, Professor Bubba wrote:

> FWIW the cloud is very big for one that's supposed to be 200 miles away.
>

Yes, I thought that too. If it was a couple of miles high, it would
still be below the horizon. Artistic license, as you say.