Revolution - Am I the only one....

[Dimensional Traveler]

I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
"re-imagining" the American Revolution?

--
The 'Enterprise' crew in the 2009 Star Trek are adrenaline addicted,
hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with caffeine
pills, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate wouldn't
tolerate.

[Arthur Lipscomb]

On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
>

I don't think there's a lot of thinking involved.


I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map of the
post blackout U.S.


http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/

[Obveeus]

"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
>> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
>> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?

> I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map of the post
> blackout U.S.
>
> http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/

Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at all.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <506ba5f5$0$71182$742e...@news.sonic.net>,

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?

I honestly can't figure out what he's doing, or which side represents
what.

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k4g9ku$vl0$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

It's not even a real republic anyway.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k4g9dc$su3$1...@dont-email.me>,

It's amazing that people are holding gigantic areas like that without
power. You'd think most states would be SMALLER.

[Hunter]

On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:42:00 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

>I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
>getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
>"re-imagining" the American Revolution?

----
Refering to Nora's resistance force who stated blatantly that she
wants to reestablish the United States, yes.

------>Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907

[Obveeus]

We should really build a wall between the countries so we can simply refer
to them as 'beyond the wall'.

[cloud dreamer]

Fine. We'll keep our oil (we're your biggest supplier), our electricity
(if you're in the NE, you have a chance that your power comes from my
province), our lumber, our iron ore, our gold, our diamonds and
radioactive isotopes for hospitals....etc etc.

No doubt China will happily take it all.

;]

[Professor Bubba]

In article <k4g9ku$vl0$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

Sure it matters. People from the former U.S. seem to have appropriated
lots and lots of Canada. BTW this map appears to have been drawn from
one seen in the background in a scene from the show. This shows the
map on set:

<http://goo.gl/Myq8z>

Somebody's commented that the Mormons should have some kind of
organization going in the so-called Wasteland. I'd agree with that.

[Obveeus]

"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:

> In article <k4g9ku$vl0$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> > On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> >> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only
>> >> one
>> >> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
>> >> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
>>
>> > I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map of the
>> > post
>> > blackout U.S.
>> >
>> > http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
>>
>> Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at all.
>
> Sure it matters. People from the former U.S. seem to have appropriated
> lots and lots of Canada.

A bit of coastline, but most of Canada is simply unmarked, making it less
important than even the stuff marked 'Wasteland'.

> BTW this map appears to have been drawn from
> one seen in the background in a scene from the show. This shows the
> map on set:
>
> <http://goo.gl/Myq8z>
>
> Somebody's commented that the Mormons should have some kind of
> organization going in the so-called Wasteland. I'd agree with that.

Maybe that is why it is called 'Wasteland'?

[Obveeus]

"cloud dreamer" <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
> On 03/10/2012 9:10 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> In article <k4g9ku$vl0$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>>> wrote:

>>>>> http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
>>>>
>>>> Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at all.
>>>
>>> It's not even a real republic anyway.
>>
>> We should really build a wall between the countries so we can simply
>> refer
>> to them as 'beyond the wall'.
>
>
> Fine.

The long winter is coming.

[cloud dreamer]

Well. We'll be warm burning all that oil.

;P

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k4h87k$fub$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

Isn't that the set-up in 'Game of Thrones'?

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k4hbqc$5s7$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

Clod (aka Peachy) has her blubber to keep her warm.

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <k4h87k$fub$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>> > In article <k4g9ku$vl0$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> >> > On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> >> >> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
>> >> >> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
>> >>
>> >> > I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map of the
>> >> > post
>> >> > blackout U.S.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
>> >>
>> >> Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at
>> >> all.
>> >
>> > It's not even a real republic anyway.
>>
>> We should really build a wall between the countries so we can simply
>> refer
>> to them as 'beyond the wall'.
>
> Isn't that the set-up in 'Game of Thrones'?

That was the reference I was aiming at.

[BTR1701]

In article <031020120830272327%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,

Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:

> In article <k4g9ku$vl0$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> > > On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > >> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
> > >> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
> > >> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
> >
> > > I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map
> > > of the post blackout U.S.
> > >
> > > http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
> >
> > Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at all.

> Sure it matters. People from the former U.S. seem to have appropriated
> lots and lots of Canada.

According to that map, only tiny bits of the overall whole have been
appropriated.

> Somebody's commented that the Mormons should have some kind of
> organization going in the so-called Wasteland. I'd agree with that.

I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
interfere with the status quo.

And the West Coast empire was misnamed. It should have been the UCSR--
Union of California Socialist Republics.

[BTR1701]

In article <k4hbnu$5bt$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

Wonder what makes it a wasteland? Is something supposed to have happened
out there or is it just a comment on the fact that it's a desert.

[David Johnston]

On 10/3/2012 6:19 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> On 03/10/2012 9:10 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> In article <k4g9ku$vl0$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>>> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
>>>>>> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map of the
>>>>> post
>>>>> blackout U.S.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
>>>>
>>>> Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at all.
>>>
>>> It's not even a real republic anyway.
>>
>> We should really build a wall between the countries so we can simply
>> refer
>> to them as 'beyond the wall'.
>>
>>
>
>
> Fine. We'll keep our oil

You are missing the humourous reference to "Game of Thrones". The
correct responce would have been to warn him that "winter is coming".

[Obveeus]

"BTR1701" <atr...@mac.com> wrote in message
news:atropos-6E007F...@news-europe.giganews.com...

Some desert, but also a good chunk of the Rocky Mountains.

[cloud dreamer]

My head is in Walking Dead mode....it won't be back in GOT mode for
another six months...

..

[Obveeus]

So, I should have been making references to how all the people in Canada are
off peeing in fields since the electricity went out?

[Obveeus]

[cloud dreamer]

Nope. References to how we're braining everyone who comes over the wall
for our oil.

..

[Professor Bubba]

In article <atropos-6B64DB...@news-europe.giganews.com>,

BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <031020120830272327%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <k4g9ku$vl0$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> > > > On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > > >> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
> > > >> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
> > > >> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
> > >
> > > > I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map
> > > > of the post blackout U.S.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
> > >
> > > Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at all.
>
> > Sure it matters. People from the former U.S. seem to have appropriated
> > lots and lots of Canada.
>
> According to that map, only tiny bits of the overall whole have been
> appropriated.

The U.S. took the best bits. For instance, it took Vancouver, just in
case TV production starts up again.

> > Somebody's commented that the Mormons should have some kind of
> > organization going in the so-called Wasteland. I'd agree with that.
>
> I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
> interfere with the status quo.

I noticed that, too, and that Texas is bigger. I liked that.

> And the West Coast empire was misnamed. It should have been the UCSR--
> Union of California Socialist Republics.

California is threatening to fly apart at the seams even now. The idea
that it could not only hold together but get even bigger is ridiculous,
unless there's a hell of an army running things there.

[tenworld]

On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:54:37 PM UTC-7, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
> On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>
> > I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
>
> > getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
>

> > "re-imagining" the American Revolutiion

>
> I don't think there's a lot of thinking involved.

I think this is attempting to be a hybrid of Hunger Games and LOST

[shawn]

Texas has taken over a few of the neighboring states while Georgia
heads up the federation of southeastern states.

[shawn]

Maybe it's called the Wasteland because there isn't anyone in charge.
With the other territories it's obvious that there must be some form
of governing authoritity, but perhaps that didn't form in the
Wasteland area. Part of the reason could be because it's territory no
one wants.

[Dano]

"tenworld" wrote in message
news:0d5f2c08-7fde-4796...@googlegroups.com...

=========================================

So what? You know...you can play this game with EVERYTHING on TV...most
anything in ANY medium in fact.

Damn that's a tired...sorry assed complaint. I'm sure it's been heard since
Shakespearian times.

[BTR1701]

In article <031020121246341571%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,

Actually, it's probably the Mexican drug cartels who moved in and locked
the place the down.

California-- now with more beheadings!

[BTR1701]

In article <0NadnUF_KL_S9_HN...@supernews.com>,

Why the frak would anyone want Canadia's oil when everything in which
it's used no longer works?

[Tony Calguire]

shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote in
news:huro68p48c0pcuolo...@4ax.com:

>
> Maybe it's called the Wasteland because there isn't anyone in charge.
> With the other territories it's obvious that there must be some form
> of governing authoritity, but perhaps that didn't form in the
> Wasteland area. Part of the reason could be because it's territory no
> one wants.
>

But the Mormons are really prepared for this sort of thing in real life.
It's part of the religion and culture. They would be one of the stronger
and more cohesive societies in some kind of disaster like this.

[cloud dreamer]

And when they get hungry, they just eat their neighbours.

..

[Obveeus]

"BTR1701" <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

> cloud dreamer <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:

>> Nope. References to how we're braining everyone who comes over the wall
>> for our oil.
>
> Why the frak would anyone want Canadia's oil when everything in which
> it's used no longer works?

Oil could still come in handy for building moats and lubricating the
guillotine, I suppose.

[Obveeus]

Mormons are supposed to have 6 months of food stored in their house. Still,
that wouldn't be very useful in this situation as all it would do would be
delay the inevitable mass dieoff by 6 months.

[Obveeus]

"shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:33:51 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>Wonder what makes it a wasteland? Is something supposed to have happened
>>out there or is it just a comment on the fact that it's a desert.
>
> Maybe it's called the Wasteland because there isn't anyone in charge.

It could be as that would make a nice setup for 'Wild West' episodes and
fits with cultural stereotypes.

> With the other territories it's obvious that there must be some form
> of governing authoritity, but perhaps that didn't form in the
> Wasteland area. Part of the reason could be because it's territory no
> one wants.

I wouldn't want to live in the Arizona desert in the summer, but once
electricity is gone living in/near the Rocky Mountains could come in handy
since there would be decent water supplies and reasonable summer
temperatures. No Air Conditioning might be the reason that places like
Chicago descended into riots and everyone killing each other.

[cloud dreamer]

And if your neighbours start feeding you at 5 1/2 months, I'd be worried.

;]

[Obveeus]

"shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:32:44 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
>>interfere with the status quo.
> Texas has taken over a few of the neighboring states

If any of those territories represents a Mexican takeover, it would be
Texas.

>while Georgia heads up the federation of southeastern states.

Sure, but that is also the zombie territory.

[BTR1701]

In article <k4i34q$4k5$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:32:44 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

> >>I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
> >>interfere with the status quo.

> > Texas has taken over a few of the neighboring states
>
> If any of those territories represents a Mexican takeover,
> it would be Texas.

We fought 'em off and kicked their asses with no power before. We'd do
it again.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k4i2pf$24j$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

Huh. It used to be a year. Is downgrading from 12 to 6 months
optimistic or pessimistic?

[Professor Bubba]

In article <k4i2pf$24j$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

I think it's a year. IIRC, Mormon newlyweds routinely get loans from
local banks to buy that year's worth of supplies, which are packaged
for them by wholesalers. It's like a mortgage, and it's really not a
bad idea.

[Professor Bubba]

In article <atropos-1AC07A...@news-europe.giganews.com>,

There's not a chance that Texas was or could be reconquered by Mexico.

It's interesting (now that you've made me look) that while the U.S. has
spread a bit into Canada and Mexico, neither Canada nor Mexico has
spread into the former U.S., not even a little.

The "Wasteland" thing is also interesting. As others have pointed out,
there's nothing "wastelandy" about the Rockies. The name must have
been imposed from outside. I mean, who the hell is going to call their
own country "Wasteland"? It's like naming your country New Toilet. It
may *be* a toilet, but that's the kind of thing natives don't admit to
outsiders. My guess is that Wasteland is what the Monroe Republicans
(and perhaps others) call it, and that's because not much is known
about it. It may also have to do with the fact that Wasteland was
named by scriptwriters in southern California.

I wonder how the mapmaker knows about all the borders, too. There must
be *some* sort of continent-wide communication going on, even if it's
just Pony Express. (I'm not even going to ask how they can defend all
those borders.)

[BTR1701]

In article <anim8rfsk-A6489...@news.easynews.com>,

It means they'd have six months longer than everyone else to try and get
a workable food production system going.

[Obveeus]

Is it a year? Ah well, I eat more than other people so I'd still be through
it in 6 months.

[Obveeus]

"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <k4i34q$4k5$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:32:44 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
>> > >>interfere with the status quo.
>>
>> > > Texas has taken over a few of the neighboring states
>> >
>> > If any of those territories represents a Mexican takeover,
>> > it would be Texas.
>>
>> We fought 'em off and kicked their asses with no power before. We'd do
>> it again.
>
>
> There's not a chance that Texas was or could be reconquered by Mexico.

It is really sad that you Texan types believe that, in spite of all the
evidence to the contrary that exists right now. Can't you tell you are
already being invaded and already losing?

> It's interesting (now that you've made me look) that while the U.S. has
> spread a bit into Canada and Mexico, neither Canada nor Mexico has
> spread into the former U.S., not even a little.

Interesting or just proof that this show is made by (and for) Americans?

> The "Wasteland" thing is also interesting. As others have pointed out,
> there's nothing "wastelandy" about the Rockies. The name must have
> been imposed from outside. I mean, who the hell is going to call their
> own country "Wasteland"? It's like naming your country New Toilet. It
> may *be* a toilet, but that's the kind of thing natives don't admit to
> outsiders. My guess is that Wasteland is what the Monroe Republicans
> (and perhaps others) call it, and that's because not much is known
> about it. It may also have to do with the fact that Wasteland was
> named by scriptwriters in southern California.

Maybe 'Wasteland' is a place where all the power is still working and the
name 'Wasteland' is like when Iceland was named - just to throw people off.
Hey, go to 'Greenland' instead...wink...wink.

> I wonder how the mapmaker knows about all the borders, too. There must
> be *some* sort of continent-wide communication going on, even if it's
> just Pony Express. (I'm not even going to ask how they can defend all
> those borders.)

The borders probably ebb and flow continuously but for map purposes you have
to draw the line somewhere.

[BTR1701]

In article <k4iaq2$muo$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
> > BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <k4i34q$4k5$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:32:44 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > >>I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
> >> > >>interfere with the status quo.
> >>
> >> > > Texas has taken over a few of the neighboring states
> >> >
> >> > If any of those territories represents a Mexican takeover,
> >> > it would be Texas.
> >>
> >> We fought 'em off and kicked their asses with no power before. We'd do
> >> it again.
> >
> >
> > There's not a chance that Texas was or could be reconquered by Mexico.
>
> It is really sad that you Texan types believe that, in spite of all the
> evidence to the contrary that exists right now. Can't you tell you are
> already being invaded and already losing?

Only because it's not a shooting war; we're just being legally prevented
from fighting back. With no federal judges and no Supreme Court
requiring us to put up with that invasion, it could be stopped rather
quickly.

Even without electricity, the Texans would have all the ammo stocks and
provisions of all the military bases in Texas, something the Mexicans
would sorely lack.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k4iae8$kql$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

Google returns people prepackaging both 6 months and a year.

I've often wondered about this. Is the food yummy, so that you eat on
it and replenish it? Does it expire? Do you throw it out and by fresh
every year? Or throw a party and use three months and replace that
quarterly?

[shawn]

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:32:38 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>

I think that depends on what sort of food you are storing. Some foods
like beans and rice could be stored indefinitely so long as they are
being stored properly. Other stuff like Mountain House can have
between a ten year to twenty five year shelf life. So you will need to
either toss it or use it eventually but there's no reason to rush.
http://www.mountainhouse.com/shelf_lif.cfm

[cloud dreamer]

On 03/10/2012 4:43 PM, Obveeus wrote:

Ah, that explains why so much survival food/supplies come from Utah
(along with the warning of the difference in air pressure and the effect
it can have on some products).

The way I see it, if a community as a whole had a year's worth of food,
there's a lot they can do in that year to prepare for the end of that
food. Time enough to construct greenhouses and time enough to haul in a
harvest from existing farms etc. No panic on food in the immediate
future gives stability and the ability to do something.

I think the key is that the community has to work as a whole. If only
one family out of a street of 20 had enough food to last them that long,
the other twenty would shoot them in their sleep and steal the food.
Without a group effort to produce food, individual families will die.

As Dr. Sheppard used to say...live together or die alone.

..

[Obveeus]

The Mormons I have known tended to fill the pantry with a huge amount of
food, then eat the oldest stuff while replacing it with newer stuff. that
way, the expiration date items mostly got used...and what didn't was donate
to food banks after it expired. :-/

[Obveeus]

"cloud dreamer" <red...@reuse.com> wrote:

> Ah, that explains why so much survival food/supplies come from Utah (along
> with the warning of the difference in air pressure and the effect it can
> have on some products).

I once had a bag of potato chips explode in the back of the car while
driving up into the mountains to go camping.

> The way I see it, if a community as a whole had a year's worth of food,
> there's a lot they can do in that year to prepare for the end of that
> food. Time enough to construct greenhouses and time enough to haul in a
> harvest from existing farms etc. No panic on food in the immediate future
> gives stability and the ability to do something.
>
> I think the key is that the community has to work as a whole. If only one
> family out of a street of 20 had enough food to last them that long, the
> other twenty would shoot them in their sleep and steal the food. Without a
> group effort to produce food, individual families will die.

Yep...and lots of families do not do it (costs too much, takes up too much
room, etc...) Plus, there are still large numbers of people in Utah that
are not Mormons.

[Ed Stasiak]

> Arthur Lipscomb

>
> I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map
> of the post blackout U.S.

I'm not buying the idea of five large nations only 15 years after
the SHTF, I'd expect the political situation to be dozens of small
sized nations (most no larger then a county) with large areas
of no-mans-land in between.

[Ed Stasiak]

> Obveeus
> > BTR1701

> >
> > Why the frak would anyone want Canadia's oil when everything
> > in which it's used no longer works?
>
> Oil could still come in handy for building moats and lubricating the
> guillotine, I suppose.

The existing oil wells could be pumped via steam, wind or horse
power and the oil could be refined (on a much smaller scale) to
make kerosene, which was first produce in the 9th century and
was the primary product of the early oil industry.

[Professor Bubba]

In article <k4iaq2$muo$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:

> > There's not a chance that Texas was or could be reconquered by Mexico.
>
> It is really sad that you Texan types believe that, in spite of all the
> evidence to the contrary that exists right now. Can't you tell you are
> already being invaded and already losing?

I'm not from Texas and I don't live there. I'm in Maryland.

[Professor Bubba]

In article
<73a905f0-f675-4d44...@c2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, Ed

FWIW I agree with you. I think the republics would be smaller, much
more numerous, and more defendable.

I wonder how many people are left in North America?

[Obveeus]

Why would they need kerosene when they have 20,000,000,000,000 burning
candles lying around? Are you trying to throw gas on the fire?

[BTR1701]

In article <k4iikn$7k4$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "cloud dreamer" <red...@reuse.com> wrote:
>
> > Ah, that explains why so much survival food/supplies come from Utah (along
> > with the warning of the difference in air pressure and the effect it can
> > have on some products).
>
> I once had a bag of potato chips explode in the back of the car while
> driving up into the mountains to go camping.

Same thing happened to me on my drive out to L.A. from D.C. last year. I
had a box in the back of the SUV full of all the stuff the movers
wouldn't pack-- mostly household cleaning stuff-- and my big bottle of
Clorox suddenly ruptured as I crossed over the Rocky Mountains,
somewhere around Vail, and I had to make a pit stop and clean up the
mess. I made sure to loosen the caps on all the other bottles and cans
so the pressure could easily equalize for the rest of the trip.

[BTR1701]

In article <anim8rfsk-67212...@news.easynews.com>,

anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> I've often wondered about this. Is the food yummy, so that you eat on
> it and replenish it? Does it expire? Do you throw it out and by fresh
> every year? Or throw a party and use three months and replace that
> quarterly?

Back when I was regularly doing overseas advances, the Air Force would
hand out MREs to us as we boarded the cargo planes. We'd usually get
two-- one for the flight over, one for the flight back-- and I would
routinely save them and just snack on stuff I brought with me in my
carry-on. Those things will literally last forever and most of them
aren't all that bad tasting. Now I have several shelves full of them in
pantry for that just-in-case scenario. Two weeks if I ate regularly, a
month or more if I really rationed myself.

[Arthur Lipscomb]

I was also expecting the warlords' territory to be *much* smaller.
Perhaps it's a marketing thing. There are hundreds of warlords who
simply don't have the clout or inclination to put their name on a map
combined with large areas of unoccupied territory that can be easily
claimed because no one else wants.

> I wonder how many people are left in North America?
>

I wonder what the opening narration means by the cities were abandoned
when in the pilot they went to the city of Chicago which was clearly
still occupied. Then in the latest episodes we see people who
supposedly left the cities apparently living right on the border between
city and wilderness (or city park) in tents.

[Jim G.]

Arthur Lipscomb sent the following on Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:54:38 -0700:
> On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
> > getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
> > "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
> >
>
>
> I don't think there's a lot of thinking involved.

>
>
> I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map of the
> post blackout U.S.
>
>

> http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/

Wow. Someone actually cares enough about this mess to create a domain
and spend time on mapping things out?

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"Get down off the cross. We need the wood." -- Pete Lattimer, WAREHOUSE 13

[Jim G.]

Obveeus sent the following on Tue, 2 Oct 2012 22:58:37 -0400:

>
> "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> > On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
> >> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
> >> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
>

> > I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map of the post
> > blackout U.S.
> >
> > http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
>

> Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at all.

If all the lights went out in Canada, would anyone else in the world
even notice it to begin with? :)

[Jim G.]

anim8rFSK sent the following on Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:25:29 -0700:

I think it has something to do with the Canadian exchange rate.

[Jim G.]

Obveeus sent the following on Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:18:10 -0400:
> No Air Conditioning might be the reason that places like
> Chicago descended into riots and everyone killing each other.

Chicago is well on its way already, even *with* air-conditioning.
There's been no shortage of work for the homicide cops this year...

[Jim G.]

BTR1701 sent the following on Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:48:04 -0700:
> In article <031020121246341571%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <atropos-6B64DB...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
> > BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <031020120830272327%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> > > Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <k4g9ku$vl0$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>

> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> > > > > > On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > > > > >> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only
> > > > > >> one
> > > > > >> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
> > > > > >> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map
> > > > > > of the post blackout U.S.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
> > > > >
> > > > > Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at all.
> > >

> > > > Sure it matters. People from the former U.S. seem to have appropriated
> > > > lots and lots of Canada.
> > >
> > > According to that map, only tiny bits of the overall whole have been
> > > appropriated.
> >
> > The U.S. took the best bits. For instance, it took Vancouver, just in
> > case TV production starts up again.
> >
> > > > Somebody's commented that the Mormons should have some kind of
> > > > organization going in the so-called Wasteland. I'd agree with that.

> > >
> > > I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
> > > interfere with the status quo.
> >

> > I noticed that, too, and that Texas is bigger. I liked that.
> >
> > > And the West Coast empire was misnamed. It should have been the UCSR--
> > > Union of California Socialist Republics.
> >
> > California is threatening to fly apart at the seams even now. The idea
> > that it could not only hold together but get even bigger is ridiculous,
> > unless there's a hell of an army running things there.
>
> Actually, it's probably the Mexican drug cartels who moved in and locked
> the place the down.

I'd be more inclined to guess it was Cubans taking a swim and then
taking over.

[Jim G.]

Obveeus sent the following on Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:19:53 -0400:

>
> "shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:32:44 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

> >>I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
> >>interfere with the status quo.

> > Texas has taken over a few of the neighboring states
>
> If any of those territories represents a Mexican takeover, it would be
> Texas.

They'd be crazy to take on the Texans. OTOH, California would just roll
over for them, and it's not as if the rest of the company would be in a
hurry to die for a bunch of Hollywood liberals...

> >while Georgia heads up the federation of southeastern states.
>
> Sure, but that is also the zombie territory.

Which raises a good question. How would this whole loss of energy thing
affect zombies?

[Your Name]

In article <5ujr68t0btnavje0n...@4ax.com>, Jim G.

<jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Obveeus sent the following on Tue, 2 Oct 2012 22:58:37 -0400:
> > "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> > > On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only one
> > >> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
> > >> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
> >
> > > I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map of the post
> > > blackout U.S.
> > >
> > > http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
> >
> > Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at all.
>
> If all the lights went out in Canada, would anyone else in the world
> even notice it to begin with? :)

All the lights could go out in the entire world except USA and most
Americans wouldn't even notice. ;-)

[Greg Hanson]

Until the economy abruptly imploded.

[William December Starr]

In article <vtjr68dg42j74pf6v...@4ax.com>,

Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> said:

>> http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
>
> Wow. Someone actually cares enough about this mess to create a
> domain and spend time on mapping things out?

It says "Copyright 2012 Revolution TV - Fansite for NBC TV Show
Revolution" but it looks like professionally produced property of
the studio or the network, rather than anybody's labor of love.
(I.e., "fansite" meaning "for the fans" rather than "by fans.")

Also, the map is apparently one that's used on-set; if so then it
wasn't specially produced as secondary material.

-- wds

[Dano]

"Your Name" wrote in message
news:YourName-051...@203-118-187-21.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz...

=====================================

Oh, I doubt it would be long before we did. Like when we could no longer
fill up our vehicles...or would be paying three times as much when we could
get gas. When those products (like iPads)we're used to paying 500 bucks for
are suddenly 2 grand because the lights went out in China where Apple has
them made. Get the picture?

[shawn]

Cubans smimming to California? Why aren't they dominating the Olympic
swimming events if they are capable of feats like that.

[shawn]

On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:22:41 -0500, Jim G.
<jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

>Obveeus sent the following on Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:19:53 -0400:
>>
>> "shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:32:44 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >>I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
>> >>interfere with the status quo.
>> > Texas has taken over a few of the neighboring states
>>
>> If any of those territories represents a Mexican takeover, it would be
>> Texas.
>
>They'd be crazy to take on the Texans. OTOH, California would just roll
>over for them, and it's not as if the rest of the company would be in a
>hurry to die for a bunch of Hollywood liberals...
>
>> >while Georgia heads up the federation of southeastern states.
>>
>> Sure, but that is also the zombie territory.
>
>Which raises a good question. How would this whole loss of energy thing
>affect zombies?

Probably not a bit since zombies seem to defy every bit of physics and
biology that we think should apply to any formerly living body. They
seem to have their own bit of reality that cloaks their body.

[BTR1701]

You're always such a ray of sunshine.

[Mason Barge]

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:33:51 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <k4hbnu$5bt$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>wrote:

>
>> "Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <k4g9ku$vl0$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >

>> >> "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> >> > On 10/2/2012 7:42 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> >> >> I just finished watching the second episode of this. Am I the only
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> getting the feeling the the idiot in charge of this thinks he's
>> >> >> "re-imagining" the American Revolution?
>> >>
>> >> > I'm not sure how authentic this is, but here's a possible map of the
>> >> > post
>> >> > blackout U.S.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.revolution-show.com/map-of-revolution-monroe-republic/
>> >>
>> >> Even 15 years after the blackout, Canada doesn't seem to matter at all.
>> >

>> > Sure it matters. People from the former U.S. seem to have appropriated
>> > lots and lots of Canada.
>>

>> A bit of coastline, but most of Canada is simply unmarked, making it less
>> important than even the stuff marked 'Wasteland'.
>>
>> > BTW this map appears to have been drawn from
>> > one seen in the background in a scene from the show. This shows the
>> > map on set:
>> >
>> > <http://goo.gl/Myq8z>

>> >
>> > Somebody's commented that the Mormons should have some kind of
>> > organization going in the so-called Wasteland. I'd agree with that.
>>

>> Maybe that is why it is called 'Wasteland'?
>
>Wonder what makes it a wasteland? Is something supposed to have happened
>out there or is it just a comment on the fact that it's a desert.

Nobody goes there, I bet, because there is no shortage of bullets.

[Mason Barge]

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:15:14 -0400, shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:32:38 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>

>wrote:
>
>>In article <k4iae8$kql$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>>wrote:
>>

>>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > In article <k4i2pf$24j$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "cloud dreamer" <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>>> >> > On 03/10/2012 4:02 PM, Tony Calguire wrote:
>>> >> >> But the Mormons are really prepared for this sort of thing in real
>>> >> >> life.
>>> >> >> It's part of the religion and culture. They would be one of the
>>> >> >> stronger
>>> >> >> and more cohesive societies in some kind of disaster like this.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > And when they get hungry, they just eat their neighbours.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mormons are supposed to have 6 months of food stored in their house.
>>> >> Still,
>>> >> that wouldn't be very useful in this situation as all it would do would
>>> >> be
>>> >> delay the inevitable mass dieoff by 6 months.
>>> >
>>> > Huh. It used to be a year. Is downgrading from 12 to 6 months
>>> > optimistic or pessimistic?
>>>

>>> Is it a year? Ah well, I eat more than other people so I'd still be through
>>> it in 6 months.
>>
>>Google returns people prepackaging both 6 months and a year.
>>

>>I've often wondered about this. Is the food yummy, so that you eat on
>>it and replenish it? Does it expire? Do you throw it out and by fresh
>>every year? Or throw a party and use three months and replace that
>>quarterly?
>

>I think that depends on what sort of food you are storing. Some foods
>like beans and rice could be stored indefinitely so long as they are
>being stored properly. Other stuff like Mountain House can have
>between a ten year to twenty five year shelf life. So you will need to
>either toss it or use it eventually but there's no reason to rush.
>http://www.mountainhouse.com/shelf_lif.cfm

That's exactly what I'd have. Dried beans and rice. And some
multivitamins.

[Mason Barge]

On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:22:41 -0500, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid>
wrote:

>Obveeus sent the following on Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:18:10 -0400:
>> No Air Conditioning might be the reason that places like
>> Chicago descended into riots and everyone killing each other.
>
>Chicago is well on its way already, even *with* air-conditioning.
>There's been no shortage of work for the homicide cops this year...

Well, it's very appropriate to the show, since the massive spike is
apparently due to gang killings.

I just got back from there today and it was all over the papers. Something
like 25% of the homicide victims were in the same gang.

I think it was called the "Cubs".

[Mason Barge]

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:40:53 -0400, Professor Bubba
<bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:

>In article <atropos-1AC07A...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
>BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <k4i34q$4k5$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>> wrote:

>>
>> > "shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:32:44 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
>> > >>interfere with the status quo.
>>
>> > > Texas has taken over a few of the neighboring states
>> >
>> > If any of those territories represents a Mexican takeover,
>> > it would be Texas.
>>

>> We fought 'em off and kicked their asses with no power before. We'd do
>> it again.

>
>
>There's not a chance that Texas was or could be reconquered by Mexico.
>

>It's interesting (now that you've made me look) that while the U.S. has
>spread a bit into Canada and Mexico, neither Canada nor Mexico has
>spread into the former U.S., not even a little.
>
>The "Wasteland" thing is also interesting. As others have pointed out,
>there's nothing "wastelandy" about the Rockies.

And it would be a heck of a lot less so once all the dams and irrigation
stopped sucking the rivers dry.

[Mason Barge]

On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:22:41 -0500, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid>
wrote:

>Obveeus sent the following on Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:19:53 -0400:
>>
>> "shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:32:44 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >>I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
>> >>interfere with the status quo.
>> > Texas has taken over a few of the neighboring states
>>
>> If any of those territories represents a Mexican takeover, it would be
>> Texas.
>
>They'd be crazy to take on the Texans. OTOH, California would just roll
>over for them, and it's not as if the rest of the company would be in a
>hurry to die for a bunch of Hollywood liberals...
>
>> >while Georgia heads up the federation of southeastern states.
>>
>> Sure, but that is also the zombie territory.
>
>Which raises a good question. How would this whole loss of energy thing
>affect zombies?

They wouldn't have zombies in this show. It would make it too realistic.

[tenworld]

On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:06:54 AM UTC-7, Dano wrote:
> "tenworld" wrote in message
> I think this is attempting to be a hybrid of Hunger Games and LOST
>
>
> So what? You know...you can play this game with EVERYTHING on TV...most
>
> anything in ANY medium in fact.
>
I wasnt complaining, I liked both of those but they also both have weak disappointing endings. Hopefully Revolution will end in something worth
celebrating with fireworks so to speak.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <243s689di4610krnh...@4ax.com>,

Okay, I asked.

It did used to be a year, but now it's less; the theory being that a
year is tougher to buy and store.

There's no fixed rule for what sort of stuff people have. The friend I
asked keeps stuff they eat anyway, they just keep a lot of it on hand,
and are constantly using and replenishing. But he has relatives that
have huge stockpiles of stuff that they never touch locked up - mostly
things they think won't perish, like flour.

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[anim8rFSK]

In article <v1kr68h3k0obu3ob4...@4ax.com>,

Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> Obveeus sent the following on Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:19:53 -0400:
> >
> > "shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:32:44 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> > >>I like how Texas is still just Texas. We apparently didn't let anyone
> > >>interfere with the status quo.
> > > Texas has taken over a few of the neighboring states
> >
> > If any of those territories represents a Mexican takeover, it would be
> > Texas.
>
> They'd be crazy to take on the Texans. OTOH, California would just roll
> over for them, and it's not as if the rest of the company would be in a
> hurry to die for a bunch of Hollywood liberals...
>
> > >while Georgia heads up the federation of southeastern states.
> >
> > Sure, but that is also the zombie territory.
>
> Which raises a good question. How would this whole loss of energy thing
> affect zombies?

Zombies use natural electricity so they'd be okay. The Frankenstein
creature arguably uses artificial electricity ... yes, it comes from
lightning, but it's stored in what are effectively man made batteries
(see the electrodes in his neck) and we already know those don't work.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <1vjr68lvedt06ba3a...@4ax.com>,

Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> anim8rFSK sent the following on Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:25:29 -0700:
> > In article <k4i2pf$24j$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "cloud dreamer" <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
> > > > On 03/10/2012 4:02 PM, Tony Calguire wrote:
> > > >> But the Mormons are really prepared for this sort of thing in real
> > > >> life.
> > > >> It's part of the religion and culture. They would be one of the
> > > >> stronger
> > > >> and more cohesive societies in some kind of disaster like this.
> > > >
> > > > And when they get hungry, they just eat their neighbours.
> > >
> > > Mormons are supposed to have 6 months of food stored in their house.
> > > Still,
> > > that wouldn't be very useful in this situation as all it would do would
> > > be
> > > delay the inevitable mass dieoff by 6 months.
> >
> > Huh. It used to be a year. Is downgrading from 12 to 6 months
> > optimistic or pessimistic?
>
> I think it has something to do with the Canadian exchange rate.

What are we exchanging the Canadians *for*?

[Your Name]

In article <anim8rfsk-95003...@news.easynews.com>, anim8rFSK

Whatever it is, at least it's raising the average IQ level in both
countries. ;-)

[anim8rFSK]

In article <b0hp68t28q66dvukn...@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:32:38 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <k4iae8$kql$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> >wrote:
> >

> >> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <k4i2pf$24j$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "cloud dreamer" <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On 03/10/2012 4:02 PM, Tony Calguire wrote:
> >> >> >> But the Mormons are really prepared for this sort of thing in real
> >> >> >> life.
> >> >> >> It's part of the religion and culture. They would be one of the
> >> >> >> stronger
> >> >> >> and more cohesive societies in some kind of disaster like this.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And when they get hungry, they just eat their neighbours.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mormons are supposed to have 6 months of food stored in their house.
> >> >> Still,
> >> >> that wouldn't be very useful in this situation as all it would do would
> >> >> be
> >> >> delay the inevitable mass dieoff by 6 months.
> >> >
> >> > Huh. It used to be a year. Is downgrading from 12 to 6 months
> >> > optimistic or pessimistic?
> >>

> >> Is it a year? Ah well, I eat more than other people so I'd still be
> >> through
> >> it in 6 months.
> >
> >Google returns people prepackaging both 6 months and a year.
> >
> >I've often wondered about this. Is the food yummy, so that you eat on
> >it and replenish it? Does it expire? Do you throw it out and by fresh
> >every year? Or throw a party and use three months and replace that
> >quarterly?
>
> I think that depends on what sort of food you are storing. Some foods
> like beans and rice could be stored indefinitely so long as they are
> being stored properly. Other stuff like Mountain House can have
> between a ten year to twenty five year shelf life. So you will need to
> either toss it or use it eventually but there's no reason to rush.
> http://www.mountainhouse.com/shelf_lif.cfm

"our shelf life is at least 7 years from the date of manufacture as long
as the pouch is stored unopened in a cool area. After 7 years a change
in flavor and appearance may be noticed. For best results, avoid
prolonged storage at temperatures above 75? F (24? C)."

Assuming artificial electricity failed, it's going to be hard to meet
those storage requirements in Phoenix.

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 10/3/2012 8:33 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <k4hbnu$5bt$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>

The desert goes all the way to the Pacific, so that can't be it.

--
The 'Enterprise' crew in the 2009 Star Trek are adrenaline addicted,
hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with caffeine
pills, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate wouldn't
tolerate.

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 10/3/2012 12:13 PM, Obveeus wrote:
> "cloud dreamer" <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>> On 03/10/2012 4:02 PM, Tony Calguire wrote:
>>> But the Mormons are really prepared for this sort of thing in real life.
>>> It's part of the religion and culture. They would be one of the stronger
>>> and more cohesive societies in some kind of disaster like this.
>>
>> And when they get hungry, they just eat their neighbours.
>
> Mormons are supposed to have 6 months of food stored in their house. Still,
> that wouldn't be very useful in this situation as all it would do would be
> delay the inevitable mass dieoff by 6 months.
>

Motivated, organized people can do a LOT in six months.

[Your Name]

On 10/3/2012 12:13 PM, Obveeus wrote:
> "cloud dreamer" <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>> On 03/10/2012 4:02 PM, Tony Calguire wrote:
>>> But the Mormons are really prepared for this sort of thing in real life.
>>> It's part of the religion and culture. They would be one of the stronger
>>> and more cohesive societies in some kind of disaster like this.
>>
>> And when they get hungry, they just eat their neighbours.
>
> Mormons are supposed to have 6 months of food stored in their house.

<snip>

It's just a shame that they only have electric stoves, ovens, and can
openers though. ;-)

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> Zombies use natural electricity so they'd be okay. The Frankenstein
> creature arguably uses artificial electricity ... yes, it comes from
> lightning, but it's stored in what are effectively man made batteries
> (see the electrodes in his neck) and we already know those don't work.

What if Frankenstein had an amulet around his neck? Would he be able to run
all the time or only at the 'random' times when the amulet remotely
activated?

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k4mh54$3ra$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

I'd be more concerned with, if you turn on the amulet, do you have to
turn it OFF again, or does it have an auto shut off timer? So if Big
Frankie is walking around with the amulet around his neck, and it turns
off, will he have time to turn it back on? Does pushing the button a
second time while it's still on make it stay on longer or turn it off?
Does he have the reflex speed and time to turn it off and back on
quickly to keep himself going?

Hey, why didn't we see every third person drop dead on the spot because
pacemakers stopped working, like in THE CORE?

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> In article <k4mh54$3ra$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Zombies use natural electricity so they'd be okay. The Frankenstein
>> > creature arguably uses artificial electricity ... yes, it comes from
>> > lightning, but it's stored in what are effectively man made batteries
>> > (see the electrodes in his neck) and we already know those don't work.
>>
>> What if Frankenstein had an amulet around his neck? Would he be able to
>> run
>> all the time or only at the 'random' times when the amulet remotely
>> activated?
>
> I'd be more concerned with, if you turn on the amulet, do you have to
> turn it OFF again, or does it have an auto shut off timer?

I'd be more concerned with carrying it around when it can turn on
unexpectedly and everyone nearby would notice. How did dead dad manage to
carry this thing around for 15 yeards without girlfriend or computer geek
noticing?

> So if Big
> Frankie is walking around with the amulet around his neck, and it turns
> off, will he have time to turn it back on?

I doubt it. That pink cellphone lost power so suddenly that it didn't even
have time to look like it was trying to shut off.

> Does pushing the button a
> second time while it's still on make it stay on longer or turn it off?

I hatwe tose motion sensors lights. I have one...and I have to remember to
walk in front of it and flap my arms once every five minutes or I end up in
the dark.

> Does he have the reflex speed and time to turn it off and back on
> quickly to keep himself going?

That would make Frankenstein a perptual motion machine which would defy the
laws of physics.

> Hey, why didn't we see every third person drop dead on the spot because
> pacemakers stopped working, like in THE CORE?

This is what happens when you live in Scottsdale. In most parts of the US,
every third person does not have a pacemaker.

[cloud dreamer]

On 05/10/2012 12:26 PM, Obveeus wrote:

>
>> Hey, why didn't we see every third person drop dead on the spot because
>> pacemakers stopped working, like in THE CORE?
>
> This is what happens when you live in Scottsdale. In most parts of the US,
> every third person does not have a pacemaker.

And we didn't get a crowd shot when the power went off like in the Core.
Two or three collapsing in a wide shot of a crowded city street in the
Core is plausible. So far, the only "crowd" shot we've seen is the
highway when most were in their cars. (And don't some pacemakers only
fire if needed? So some might last a while before their pacemaker fails.
Just like with insulin-dependent diabetics. Unless they figure out how
to extract it from pigs or sheep, their days are numbered).

And yeah, a crowd shot of a lawn bowling tournament in Scottsdale would
be priceless.

..

[shawn]

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 10:56:32 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>
>"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <k4mh54$3ra$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Zombies use natural electricity so they'd be okay. The Frankenstein
>>> > creature arguably uses artificial electricity ... yes, it comes from
>>> > lightning, but it's stored in what are effectively man made batteries
>>> > (see the electrodes in his neck) and we already know those don't work.
>>>
>>> What if Frankenstein had an amulet around his neck? Would he be able to
>>> run
>>> all the time or only at the 'random' times when the amulet remotely
>>> activated?
>>
>> I'd be more concerned with, if you turn on the amulet, do you have to
>> turn it OFF again, or does it have an auto shut off timer?
>
>I'd be more concerned with carrying it around when it can turn on
>unexpectedly and everyone nearby would notice. How did dead dad manage to
>carry this thing around for 15 yeards without girlfriend or computer geek
>noticing?

I think perhaps Googleguy has a defective amulet and that's why it is
turning off and on. Perhaps he damaged it during his travel time away
from home?

>
>> So if Big
>> Frankie is walking around with the amulet around his neck, and it turns
>> off, will he have time to turn it back on?
>
>I doubt it. That pink cellphone lost power so suddenly that it didn't even
>have time to look like it was trying to shut off.
>
>> Does pushing the button a
>> second time while it's still on make it stay on longer or turn it off?

We really don't know much about the amulets at this point.

>
>I hatwe tose motion sensors lights. I have one...and I have to remember to
>walk in front of it and flap my arms once every five minutes or I end up in
>the dark.

So it has too short a time frame.. Maybe a 30 minute timer (though
that still means it can go off when you are still in the room and it
stays on much longer after you leave the room.)

>> Does he have the reflex speed and time to turn it off and back on
>> quickly to keep himself going?
>
>That would make Frankenstein a perptual motion machine which would defy the
>laws of physics.

Umm... A dampening field that prevents all man made electricity and
seems to have a momentum dampening effect and is easily disrupted by
little amulets that apparently provide their own power when activated
even in the middle of a dampening field.

>> Hey, why didn't we see every third person drop dead on the spot because
>> pacemakers stopped working, like in THE CORE?
>
>This is what happens when you live in Scottsdale. In most parts of the US,
>every third person does not have a pacemaker.

And even all of those that do have pacemakers don't suddenly collapse
if the pacemaker fails.

[shawn]

On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 18:08:00 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>

Not really. Store it in pits or basements or holes dug in the ground
and it should be easy to keep the contents cool. At least as long as
you aren't trying to live in the same pit/hole as the storage area.

[cloud dreamer]

On 05/10/2012 1:04 PM, shawn wrote:

>
> I think perhaps Googleguy has a defective amulet and that's why it is
> turning off and on. Perhaps he damaged it during his travel time away
> from home?

IIRC, it only turned on then turned off. Perhaps it sensed the
electronic device nearby and reacted but it's only programmed to do that
the first time. A fail-safe that was worked into it by the dad in case
he died.

And dead dad could have disabled any electronics in his little
cul-de-sac to prevent accidental activation.

As you say, we don't know enough yet about the amulet.

..

[cloud dreamer]

Yup. I store my Mountain House in a storage area under my front porch.
It's not a cold room but it doesn't go above 17 C even on the hottest
day in the summer. The crawlspace in my last house averaged 8 to 10
degrees even in the summer.

Mountain House tastes pretty good too. Far better than MREs. Just got a
load of oxygen absorbers and mylar bags this week to store some rice and
that now.

..

[anim8rFSK]

In article <mhvt68hs9j5jhfgji...@4ax.com>,

We tend to have a shortage of pits and basements around here, and, once
the artificial electricity fails, we're going to have a hell of a time
making them.

We do have that big National Guard bunker that's underground/dug into
the side of a mountain. I wonder what it's interior temperature is when
it's 125? outside?

LOL
Google says
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080531135533AAawFyC
and the 'resolved answer' is
"nobody seems to know"

And here's some scary people
http://www.motherearthnews.com/forums/forum.aspx?boardid=1202&g=posts&t=1
00194

Jesus. Our record high is 167f. I really didn't need to know that. :(

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k4msf0$cfu$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>

Now, now, weren't all the people that dropped dead in THE CORE on the
East Coast someplace?

[anim8rFSK]

In article <g7vt68d9rpmlouf72...@4ax.com>,

I beg to differ! Have you not *seen* THE CORE? The center of the Earth
(aka THE CORE) spontaneously stops spinning causing natural EMPs (not
the artificial EMPs we generate) causing anyone with a pacemaker to fall
over dead like somebody just flipped an off switch.

[Obveeus]

"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Jesus. Our record high is 167f. I really didn't need to know that. :(

122 according to:
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/psr/climate/extremeTemps.php

[Obveeus]

No idea. I do remember the film being really lame, though.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k4n0m1$86p$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

yeah, that's 'within the city limits'

I got my figure from a gov site too; it's for the whole state. Said the
record high was 167F (didn't say where) and the record low was -40F in
the White Mountains ...