In article <6kvka8hdq81kr7pg4pr73a7e67cmier...@4ax.com>,
Jim G. <jimgy...@geemail.com.invalid> said:
[ re Tracy Spiridakos ]
> Could that have just been another example of the actress losing
> her focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take
> because of her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the
> wrong times, for example...
So "Last Resort" was doing just about as well as "Grimm" among the
18-49 year olds when it was canceled and "Revolution" is doing around
twice as well of both, especially "Last Resort".
In any event, a hour long show on a major broadcast network that gets
only 4.5 to 5 million total viewers per week would be in real trouble
if viewership falls lower than that.
------>Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
> > > David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > >> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> > >> being branded in Revolution?
> > > Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
> > Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot (I > > think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining > > her > > wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as an > > extra.
> Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
> focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
> her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
> example...
LOL! I've noticed she sort of smiles randomly.
-- "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
>> > > David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> > >> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
>> > >> being branded in Revolution?
>> > > Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
>> > Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot (I >> > think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining >> > her >> > wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as an >> > extra.
>> Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
>> focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
>> her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
>> example...
>LOL! I've noticed she sort of smiles randomly.
I wonder if she's reacting to something off screen. That's something a
good director would notice and mention to her.
"Hunter (Hunter)" <buffhun...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Actually "Grimm" and "Last Resort" were close in the 18-49 catagory.
> Stats for each of their most recent episodes
> "Grimm" 18-49: 1.7/5 with 5.21 million total viewers
> "Last Resort": 18-49: 1.2/4 with 5.68 million total viewers
1.2 is not *close* to 1.7. That 1.2 would require a 40%+ increase in ratings just to pull even with the 1.7.
> Obveeus sent the following on Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:48:10 -0500:
> > "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article <k88rq9$gv...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Nope. LAST RESORT was winning the stupidity war hands down. Now, with > > >> it
> > >> being cancelled, the contest will have to be between REVOLUTION and
> > >> ARROW...and ARROW is winning that war for stupider show.
> > > No - "Revolution" is far dumber than "Arrow". The only thing on "Arrow"
> > > that's pretty dumb is the ex-girlfriend,
> > And a hero that is faster than a spray of speeding bullets.
> And bad guys who are armed, but who opt to take him on hand-to-hand. And
> other armed guys who stand back and patiently wait their turn, rather
> than just killing Ollie instantly.
A "Stan" was mentioned in the last episode I watche3d!
> >> > > David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >> > >> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> >> > >> being branded in Revolution?
> >> > > Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
> >> > Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot > >> > (I > >> > think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining > >> > her > >> > wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as > >> > an > >> > extra.
> >> Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
> >> focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
> >> her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
> >> example...
> >LOL! I've noticed she sort of smiles randomly.
> I wonder if she's reacting to something off screen. That's something a
> good director would notice and mention to her.
We'll be sure to mention that if they get a good director. :P
Sadly, I think it's something along the lines of 'squirrel' or 'shiny'
-- "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
>> >> > > David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >> > >> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
>> >> > >> being branded in Revolution?
>> >> > > Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
>> >> > Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot >> >> > (I >> >> > think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining >> >> > her >> >> > wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as >> >> > an >> >> > extra.
>> >> Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
>> >> focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
>> >> her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
>> >> example...
>> >LOL! I've noticed she sort of smiles randomly.
>> I wonder if she's reacting to something off screen. That's something a
>> good director would notice and mention to her.
>We'll be sure to mention that if they get a good director. :P
>Sadly, I think it's something along the lines of 'squirrel' or 'shiny'
What's worse is the 'shiny squirrel' might only exist in her mind so
she could smile in the midst of watching her brother and mother be
tortured.
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:34:55 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net>
>> wrote:
REVOLUTION:
>> I wonder if she's reacting to something off screen. That's something a
>> good director would notice and mention to her.
> We'll be sure to mention that if they get a good director. :P
> Sadly, I think it's something along the lines of 'squirrel' or 'shiny'
Could be, but it also could be that she is just having trouble keeping a straight face while delivering the dialog they have given her.
In article <k8doi2$vp...@dont-email.me>,
David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>> And doesn't Janeway win EVERY contest? She killed everybody everywhere.
>Killing everyone to replace them with their exact duplicates does not >impress. Heck, every transporter does that.
In Doctor Who in "Logopolis" the Master destroyed a good chunk of the
universe. This didn't happen in a parallel dimension or other such cheat and
it wasn't reversed by the end of the show, so it's a good candidate.
-- Ken Arromdee / arromdee_AT_rahul.net / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee
Obi-wan Kenobi: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
Yoda: "Do or do not. There is no 'try'."
In article <k8gtc1$bs...@blue-new.rahul.net>,
arrom...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
> In article <k8doi2$vp...@dont-email.me>,
> David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
> >> And doesn't Janeway win EVERY contest? She killed everybody everywhere.
> >Killing everyone to replace them with their exact duplicates does not > >impress. Heck, every transporter does that.
> In Doctor Who in "Logopolis" the Master destroyed a good chunk of the
> universe. This didn't happen in a parallel dimension or other such cheat and
> it wasn't reversed by the end of the show, so it's a good candidate.
Janeway reset time itself killing everybody everywhere, but you raise an interesting point ... did she only kill everybody in our universe, or in the entire Trek multiverse as well? If the latter, then she killed an infinite number of people and wins, or at the very worst ties.
-- "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
> In article <k8gtc1$bs...@blue-new.rahul.net>,
> arrom...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
>> In article <k8doi2$vp...@dont-email.me>,
>> David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>>>> And doesn't Janeway win EVERY contest? She killed everybody everywhere.
>>> Killing everyone to replace them with their exact duplicates does not
>>> impress. Heck, every transporter does that.
>> In Doctor Who in "Logopolis" the Master destroyed a good chunk of the
>> universe. This didn't happen in a parallel dimension or other such cheat and
>> it wasn't reversed by the end of the show, so it's a good candidate.
> Janeway reset time itself killing everybody everywhere,
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:13:30 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>"Hunter (Hunter)" <buffhun...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> Actually "Grimm" and "Last Resort" were close in the 18-49 catagory.
>> Stats for each of their most recent episodes
>> "Grimm" 18-49: 1.7/5 with 5.21 million total viewers
>> "Last Resort": 18-49: 1.2/4 with 5.68 million total viewers
>1.2 is not *close* to 1.7. That 1.2 would require a 40%+ increase in >ratings just to pull even with the 1.7.
----
Compared to the 2.6 "Revolution" is getting, it is. "Last Resort" is
closer to "Grimm" than " Grimm" is to "Revolution".
------>Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
>>>> David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
>>>>> being branded in Revolution?
>>>> Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
>>> Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot (I
>>> think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining
>>> her
>>> wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as an
>>> extra.
>> Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
>> focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
>> her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
>> example...
> LOL! I've noticed she sort of smiles randomly.
Its like she has a nervous reaction. I.E., she's scared shitless of something.
-- The 'Enterprise' crew in the 2009 Star Trek are adrenaline addicted, hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with methamphetamine, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate wouldn't tolerate.
>Mason Barge sent the following on Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:05:16 -0500:
>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:39 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
>> <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>> >In article <fmjda89l89sudako94l5gl1suehltj6...@4ax.com>,
>> > David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
>> >> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
>> >> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
>> >> freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."
>> >That's really too bad in the case of "666 Park Avenue", which at least >> >seemed to come off like a series that had some idea where it was going.
>> >I mean, they couldn't ignore that ratings I guess, but "666 P.A." was >> >actually pretty good.
>> Exactly.
>Yep. So I've sampled four new shows this year. Two are gone by choice
>(REVOLUTION and LAST RESORT) and one is gone via network decision (666
>PARK AVENUE).
>And if ARROW doesn't make some changes, it's likely that I'll be 0-for-4
>soon.
I made it through 10 minutes of Arrow. 2.5 eps of Revolution, maybe 3.5
or 4 of Last Resort. So, 0 for 4 here. Well, I mean, I watched one
episode of Mob Doctor and sampled some other crap.
I did get HBO, though, and the History Channel seems to be trying to renew
its charter.
>And I'm about ready to give up on NCIS, which continues to just phone it
>in. And I'm more or less just watching FRINGE for the closure that I
>still don't really expect to get. And GRIMM has just gone on break.
Stan Brown sent the following on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:12:23 -0500:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:17:52 -0500, shawn wrote:
> > Though most of the REVOLUTION deaths happened slowly over the
> > weeks/months/years following the power outage. With LAST RESORT the
> > Pakistanis went up all at once. Though we still don't know exactly who
> > was responsible for ordering that attack. It might have been the
> > President of the USA
> Highly unlikely. Did you miss the many references in the first two > or three episodes to the fact that the order did not come through > normal channels? If it had been the President, the order would have > come through normal channels, but it didn't so it wasn't.
Well, if I'm the president and I'm behind this, the *last* thing I'd do
is to send the orders through the normal channels that would lead
directly back to me.
-- Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really ready for this day to be over." -- Duke Crocker, HAVEN
> > > > David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > > >> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> > > >> being branded in Revolution?
> > > > Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
> > > Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot (I > > > think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining
> > > her > > > wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as an > > > extra.
> > Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
> > focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
> > her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
> > example...
> I don't think so. She was looking at her forearm, and the brand was
> shown to be inflamed and oozing. It was a realistic depiction of a bad
> burn.
Fair enough.
> This is not to be taken as a defense of the character, the actor, or
> this show.
Heh. Understood.
-- Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really ready for this day to be over." -- Duke Crocker, HAVEN
William December Starr sent the following on 19 Nov 2012 19:09:14 -0500:
> In article <6kvka8hdq81kr7pg4pr73a7e67cmier...@4ax.com>,
> Jim G. <jimgy...@geemail.com.invalid> said:
> [ re Tracy Spiridakos ]
> > Could that have just been another example of the actress losing
> > her focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take
> > because of her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the
> > wrong times, for example...
> Do you remembere where you read that?
Multiple places, and I thought that it was brought up here, as well. The
other places I'm most likely to read something about the show are at the
Den of Geek and IGN sites. In any case, it wasn't just one isolated
comment from one person; there's been a pattern of such comments.
-- Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really ready for this day to be over." -- Duke Crocker, HAVEN
> > > > David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > > >> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> > > >> being branded in Revolution?
> > > > Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
> > > Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot (I > > > think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining > > > her > > > wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as an > > > extra.
> > Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
> > focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
> > her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
> > example...
> LOL! I've noticed she sort of smiles randomly.
Okay, that's two of you who've at least *suggested* that I didn't pick
up this tidbit here. Interesting. I must have picked up on it at the web
haunts that I visit for recaps and the like.
-- Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really ready for this day to be over." -- Duke Crocker, HAVEN
> > >> > > David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > >> > >> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> > >> > >> being branded in Revolution?
> > >> > > Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
> > >> > Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead shot > > >> > (I > > >> > think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was examining > > >> > her > > >> > wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot as > > >> > an > > >> > extra.
> > >> Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
> > >> focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
> > >> her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
> > >> example...
> > >LOL! I've noticed she sort of smiles randomly.
> > I wonder if she's reacting to something off screen. That's something a
> > good director would notice and mention to her.
> We'll be sure to mention that if they get a good director. :P
Heh. You're a mean one.
> Sadly, I think it's something along the lines of 'squirrel' or 'shiny'
It's not fair to assume that all attractive women are ditzes, but I get
the sense that it's a safe assumption in this case. :)
-- Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really ready for this day to be over." -- Duke Crocker, HAVEN
> In article <3lvka89illagc7qge62qpdj9v7a04tj...@4ax.com>, > jimgy...@geemail.com.invalid says...
> > Obveeus sent the following on Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:48:10 -0500:
> > > "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> > > > In article <k88rq9$gv...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> Nope. LAST RESORT was winning the stupidity war hands down. Now, with > > > >> it
> > > >> being cancelled, the contest will have to be between REVOLUTION and
> > > >> ARROW...and ARROW is winning that war for stupider show.
> > > > No - "Revolution" is far dumber than "Arrow". The only thing on "Arrow"
> > > > that's pretty dumb is the ex-girlfriend,
> > > And a hero that is faster than a spray of speeding bullets.
> > And bad guys who are armed, but who opt to take him on hand-to-hand. And
> > other armed guys who stand back and patiently wait their turn, rather
> > than just killing Ollie instantly.
> A "Stan" was mentioned in the last episode I watche3d!
Now we just have to get them to a Seattle Mariners baseball game...
-- Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really ready for this day to be over." -- Duke Crocker, HAVEN
Professor Bubba sent the following on Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:22:40 -0500:
> In article <vlvka8dh5cpqd4paibtgta63v6s99vn...@4ax.com>, Jim G.
> <jimgy...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > And I'm about ready to give up on NCIS, which continues to just phone it
> > in.
> I gave up after the season premiere. The show has turned into a Xerox
> machine, chugging out copies of "a petty officer is murdered" week
> after week. It's just not interesting anymore.
Yeah, I agree. Even if JLC hadn't come along and polluted last season,
it still would have been a boring and unoriginal year. And this season
has been just more of the same. If there were an overabundance of other
things that I was wanting to watch at this point, then NCIS would be the
first to go. But there's not, so I keep watching, although I don't
bother to record it and I'm often only half-watching while I do other
things. (And this is, without any doubt, the only show where I will
deliberately do that.)
-- Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really ready for this day to be over." -- Duke Crocker, HAVEN
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:06:10 -0600, Jim G. <jimgy...@geemail.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >Mason Barge sent the following on Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:05:16 -0500:
> >> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:36:39 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
> >> <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> ABC Cancels "666 Park Avenue," "Last Resort"
> >> >> By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
> >> >> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- ABC has pulled the plug on its
> >> >> freshman dramas "666 Park Avenue" and "Last Resort."
> >> >That's really too bad in the case of "666 Park Avenue", which at least > >> >seemed to come off like a series that had some idea where it was going.
> >> >I mean, they couldn't ignore that ratings I guess, but "666 P.A." was > >> >actually pretty good.
> >> Exactly.
> >Yep. So I've sampled four new shows this year. Two are gone by choice
> >(REVOLUTION and LAST RESORT) and one is gone via network decision (666
> >PARK AVENUE).
> >And if ARROW doesn't make some changes, it's likely that I'll be 0-for-4
> >soon.
> I made it through 10 minutes of Arrow.
Making me more patient than you, and by a long shot.
> 2.5 eps of Revolution, maybe
Making us pretty much dead-even, IIRC.
> 3.5
> or 4 of Last Resort.
Making you more patient than me, but not by much.
> So, 0 for 4 here.
And making me, for better or worse, far more patient than you. But to be
fair, ARROW is another show that's only on my viewing list because
there's simply such a dearth of good skiffy stuff out there at the
moment. Heck, I'm only watching seven shows a week, and at least two of
those would be dropped in an instant if there was an abundance of good
alternatives to replace them.
> Well, I mean, I watched one
> episode of Mob Doctor and sampled some other crap.
Generally speaking, I don't sample stuff. Either I know that I'm gonna
want to like it and see it do well, or I just stay away entirely.
> I did get HBO, though, and the History Channel seems to be trying to renew
> its charter.
I don't get HBO, but I can enjoy both GAME OF THRONES and TRUE BLOOD
thanks to friends who watch a lot more stuff than me and who have the
channel. Plus I recall reading here of at least one other upcoming show
on HBO that sounds really interesting.
As for HIST and the like, I've grown tired of looking for the occasional
pearl in the pig sty and rarely visit any of them, given that they all
seem to blur together these days. Talk about dumbing down...
> >And I'm about ready to give up on NCIS, which continues to just phone it
> >in. And I'm more or less just watching FRINGE for the closure that I
> >still don't really expect to get. And GRIMM has just gone on break.
> >It's a good thing I like books and sports...
> Ditto.
I'm pretty happy with the state of affairs in South Bend, IN, these
days. Champaign, IL is another story, though (but the new hoops coach
seems to have potential).
-- Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really ready for this day to be over." -- Duke Crocker, HAVEN
> Stan Brown sent the following on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:12:23 -0500:
>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:17:52 -0500, shawn wrote:
>>> Though most of the REVOLUTION deaths happened slowly over the
>>> weeks/months/years following the power outage. With LAST RESORT the
>>> Pakistanis went up all at once. Though we still don't know exactly who
>>> was responsible for ordering that attack. It might have been the
>>> President of the USA
>> Highly unlikely. Did you miss the many references in the first two
>> or three episodes to the fact that the order did not come through
>> normal channels? If it had been the President, the order would have
>> come through normal channels, but it didn't so it wasn't.
> Well, if I'm the president and I'm behind this, the *last* thing I'd do
> is to send the orders through the normal channels that would lead
> directly back to me.
> anim8rFSK sent the following on Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:05:33 -0700:
> > In article <0nfma8ls3ev9s3p7licd62vsp7doibg...@4ax.com>,
> > shawn <nanoflo...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:34:55 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >In article <6kvka8hdq81kr7pg4pr73a7e67cmier...@4ax.com>,
> > > > Jim G. <jimgy...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > >> Obveeus sent the following on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:19:30 -0500:
> > > >> > > David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > > >> > >> How can you say that when, for instance, we saw a woman
> > > >> > >> being branded in Revolution?
> > > >> > > Well, she got over the branding *instantly*
> > > >> > Not quite 100%. In the last episode there was a distant overhead > > > >> > shot > > > >> > (I > > > >> > think they were all sitting around a campfire) and Charlie was > > > >> > examining > > > >> > her > > > >> > wrist. It was actually a cool little tidbit to sneak into the shot > > > >> > as > > > >> > an > > > >> > extra.
> > > >> Could that have just been another example of the actress losing her
> > > >> focus and the director not wanting to do yet another take because of
> > > >> her? I've read that she has a habit of smiling at the wrong times, for
> > > >> example...
> > > >LOL! I've noticed she sort of smiles randomly.
> > > I wonder if she's reacting to something off screen. That's something a
> > > good director would notice and mention to her.
> > We'll be sure to mention that if they get a good director. :P
> Heh. You're a mean one.
> > Sadly, I think it's something along the lines of 'squirrel' or 'shiny'
> It's not fair to assume that all attractive women are ditzes, but I get
> the sense that it's a safe assumption in this case. :)
Q: Why are attractive women ditzy?
A: Because they CAN be!
Note that 'Attractive women are ditzy' does not prove 'ditzy women are attractive' in any way shape or form - see Clodreamer.
-- "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
