TMC UNDERGROUND:
"The Born Losers"/
Having stumped without success to sell their screenplay Billy Jack, Tom Laughlin and Delores Taylor dropped their half-breed hero into the middle of a quickly-written script tailored for the exploitation market. With the success of Roger Corman's The Wild Angels (1966), biker flicks were all the rage and more than a few bright lights of the nascent New Hollywood toiled in the requisite leathers and dirty denim. The Born Losers came early in the cycle, in the boom year of 1967, alongside Hells Angels on Wheels with Jack Nicholson and Devil's Angels with John Cassavetes. Its unexpected success that summer wrought The Glory Stompers (1968) with Dennis Hopper, The Cycle Savages (1969) with Bruce Dern, The Rebel Rousers (1970) with Dern and Nicholson, and Angel Unchained (1970) with Don Stroud, to name but a few titles in this surprisingly expansive subgenre.
Based on a pair of high profile 1964 news items - the slaying of New York bar manager Kitty Genovese and the Hells Angels alleged intimidation of teenaged rape victims in Monterey ? The Born Losers was distributed by American International Pictures and wound up being their biggest moneymaker until The Amityville Horror (1979) a decade later. Despite its basis in fact, the film quotes from the granddaddy of all biker films, The Wild One (1953) before branching out to straddle the rape/revenge/vigilante drama typified by Walking Tall (1973) and Death Wish (1974). With minor alterations, The Born Losers could easily have been rewritten as a standard western, with Billy Jack recast as the archetypal Outsider who must defend Civilization from the caprices of Disorder. Back in the day, its seemingly reactionary civic mindedness was no doubt good for business.
Independently financed by Laughlin and Taylor for $150,000, The Born Losers ran out of money mid-production and was rescued by Samuel Arkoff and American International Pictures, who put up $300,000 to finish the film. The San Fernando motorcycle club The Devil's Disciples filled out the ranks of the film's make-believe gang and extra motorcycles were loaned out by Sears, which Laughlin hid behind the Harleys.
Although Jane Russell was contracted to work for one day only, Laughlin was forced to shut down production for ten days when he suffered a burst appendix. In order to get the proper emotion out of Russell for one scene, Laughlin called for a meal break just before shooting it, hoping the delay would drive the actress into a rage. The ploy worked and Russell thanked Laughlin, calling him a "clever son of a bitch."
Its box office success cuts The Born Losers little slack from cult movie aficionados, churlish over the film's association with the mega-successful Billy Jack (1971) and its preachy sequels, The Trial of Billy Jack (1974) and Billy Jack Goes to Washington (1977). To this day, kung fu fans remain chuffed that Tom Laughlin was doubled for all displays of hapkido by karate master Bong Soo Han. On the performance front, Laughlin has also taken his share of lumps for his stoic acting style. However studied in Steve McQueen cool, Laughlin pulls it off and is an engaging and understated leading man ? particularly in The Born Losers, which isn't as weighed down, as were the subsequent Billy Jack films, with the burden of Importance.
The Born Losers has aged better than a number of the subgenre's "classics." A central concern with the value of family haunts the script, which opens not with the Born Losers riding into a strange town to wreak havoc but returning to the hometown of leader Danny Carmody (Jeremy Slate), with whom Billy has some past history of unnamed grievances. Although he is the villain of the piece, Danny is nicely shaded as a charismatic group leader, surprisingly slow to retaliate against a teen driver whose VW bug bumps his bike until the idiot unwisely lips off. Later, Danny saves his kid brother from a beating by their brutish father and is also shown to keep a wife and son in a conventional (and seemingly happy) suburban home. However sociopathic, the Losers represent the film's only functional family while Billy Jack and sardonic heroine Vicky Barrington (Elizabeth James, spending half the film in an Ursula Andress white bikini) are depicted as alienated, disenfranchised, going it alone and suffering for it. However heroically etched, Billy has given up on life and it takes the Born Losers to draw him out.
THE WALKING DEAD:
A marathon of both seasons.
BATMAN:
Batman and Robin go to "Londinium" for some contrived reason and Batgirl tows along.It was so lame I don't recall who the villians were, but there was an amusing scene of them attempting to exposition how Batman's stuff was brought to England when Bruce Wayne told so-and-so that in order to keep Dick Grayson from falling behind in his studies, Bruce had his desk and school materials crated for the trip, prompting Dick to say something unenthusiastic about being able to study while on vacation.
LOST IN SPACE
"The Phantom People". This one was retarded, even for a webTV user! After seeing the Robinsons, sans the parents who are away in the space-chariot (see how cool things sound prefixed with "space"!) being "bombarded" every night for a week, we discover an alien motivations speaker is behind it who plans to replace the Robinsons with androids who will learn how to act like them and then inspire his clients with their bravery and ability to survive challenges. Wait, what? Naturally, the Dr Smith one is broken so while the others are acting like the star of Small Wonder, he is not even that good.
THE VENTURE BROTHERS:
"Showdown at Cremation Creek (Part 1)". The Monarch and Dr Girlfriend get married.and Rusty Venture is best man. Bwah! I never saw this one before and it tied up a lot of loose ends.
What did you watch?
-- "Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the iceberg a second time."
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> BATMAN:
> Batman and Robin go to "Londinium" for some contrived reason and Batgirl > tows along.It was so lame I don't recall who the villians were, but
Lord Marmaduke Ffogg and his sister, Lady Penelope Peasoup
> there was an amusing scene of them attempting to exposition how Batman's > stuff was brought to England when Bruce Wayne told so-and-so that in > order to keep Dick Grayson from falling behind in his studies, Bruce had > his desk and school materials crated for the trip, prompting Dick to say > something unenthusiastic about being able to study while on vacation.
The box full of Dick's study aides actually contained the Batmobile and about half the Batcave.
> LOST IN SPACE
> "The Phantom People". This one was retarded, even for a webTV user! > After seeing the Robinsons, sans the parents who are away in the > space-chariot (see how cool things sound prefixed with "space"!) being > "bombarded" every night for a week, we discover an alien motivations > speaker is behind it who plans to replace the Robinsons with androids > who will learn how to act like them and then inspire his clients with > their bravery and ability to survive challenges. Wait, what? Naturally, > the Dr Smith one is broken so while the others are acting like the star > of Small Wonder, he is not even that good.
> What did you watch?
I left ME-TV on all night. Svengoolie cut the BATMAN movie to ribbons, but at least he apologized for it at every break. The FX in Star Trek 'The Enterprise Incident' were awful and flat out wrong. Voyage had another horrible Peter Packer episode with a giant sea spider - this one is a hoot because Richard Basehart isn't really in it, but they have a body double doing stuff like starting to enter a room and leaving again before you can see his face! And then Get Smart with special guest Don Rickles ...
-- "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> What did you watch?
Yesterday was really bad - most of my usual "movie" channels were showing crap, or retreads... :(
Vlad (Chiller) - I'm pretty sure this ran on Siffy Saturday a few years back, and at that time I think I only saw the beginning of it. This time, I decided to watch the whole thing. The only people in this anyone would know are Billy Zane, and maybe Canadian actor Paul Popowich (seen recently in "Degrassi" just last season), soap actress Kam Heskin, and Francesco Quinn. Anyway, for a Siffy Saturday-type flick, I actually thought this was a cut above - it had a relatively easy to follow story, and actually sported a few beautifully-filmed shots (basically during the flashbacks to when Vlad, and cutie Anglo-Saxon princess Ilona (Iva Hasperger) were alive).
college football - I saw some of the UCLA game vs. Utah (which UCLA eventually won).
The Killing Jar (recorded) - I recorded this off Chiller a few nights ago, and it was definitely better than the 1-star my cable guide rated it. Michael Madsen plays the usual 'heavy' who goes on a killing spree and takes a diner, including diner waitress Amber Benson, hostage (also among the hostages? Harold Perrineau). Anyway, this has some twists and turns along the way, and though it's probably too meandering and 'talky' in parts, overall I liked it.
Victorious (NICK) - This episode I highly enjoyed: this show is usually at its best when its either Jade interacting with Tori, or Jade interacting with Cat, and this episode had lots of the latter. (Fun aside: This episode sported Liz Gillies doing a *dead-on* impersonation of Ariana Grande doing Cat, which was LOL funny.) Even the 'B' plot, involving Robbie and Andre, which started slow, started getting good around the time Andre started talking about beating Robbie with a baseball bat! He he he... Aside: For the first time in ages (prol'ly since season #2...), this episode was absent Trina.
How To Rock (NICK) - Does this show have a directive that no one else besides Cymphonique Miller is allowed to sing?! In this one, _Gravity 5_ and _The Perfs_ are forced to work together as a band, and not only does Halston Sage *still* not get to sing, but this time even Samantha Boscarino isn't allowed to sing either (how is this a "merging" of the bands if Molly doesn't even get to sing!?!), even though we know we can from "Good Luck Charlie". Grrrr...
ASIDE: So I now have a theory on why NICK is unloading the above two shows (unloading "Victorious" is especially inexplicable...) - I think NICK has concluded that they're "skewing too old" demographically, esp. relative to Disney Channel, and so has decided to unload their entire teen audience to chase the same 2-10 year olds that Disney is obviously going after (e.g. see: ANT Farm, and Jessie). Personally, I think that's a really stupid move on NICK's part, but... whatever.
American Horror House (Siffy Saturday) - I only saw the last hour of this, but I thought this was pretty good for Siffy Saturday: it was plenty gory enough, and actually (like "Vlad"!) sported a relatively decent storyline. Of course, however, the ending sucked, but that's starting to be expected with most horror movies these days.
Recorded for later: Hex.
-- "Surf-crazed aliens... Of course." - Amber, "Alien Surf Girls", Episode #1.1, "Wipeout". Wait a minute... "Of course"?! "*Of course*"?!! Did I miss a step here??!!
> In article <k5e10v$m5...@dont-email.me>,
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> What did you watch?
> American Horror House (Siffy Saturday) - I only saw the last hour of
> this, but I thought this was pretty good for Siffy Saturday:
Agreed.
it was
> plenty gory enough,
Far more gore than I would typically expect to see on SyFy.
and actually (like "Vlad"!) sported a relatively
> decent storyline. Of course, however, the ending sucked, but that's
> starting to be expected with most horror movies these days.
I wouldn't say it sucked, but they definitely stretched out the last 2 or 3 minutes given how obvious it was by that point.
> Recorded for later: Hex.
I had to reluctantly delete Hex unwatched. My DVR's capacity is in the 70s. At this point, I'm basically in triage and tough choices must be made.
I watched:
The Haunting Hour – “Grampires” A brother and sister visit their grandfather (Christopher Lloyd) in a retirement community and find that he and everyone else there are vampires. It’s up to their “Grampire” to keep them from being eaten by his hungry neighbors. This was one of the worst episodes of The Haunting Hour ever. So the plan was to murder and eat the kids the vamps didn’t think that would draw attention to themselves? And given their community was apparently self-sufficient why were they *so* eager to eat those kids anyway. Not that the kids had much to be afraid of given the vamps dusted so ridiculously easily. All they had to do was wave something pointy in their general direction and they’d turn to dust.
That Guy Who Was in That Thing (Showtime) – Pretty good documentary featuring various character actors (Xander Berkeley, Bruce Davison, Timothy Omundson, Rick Worthy, Gregory Itzin, Zeljko Ivanek, etc.) talking about their careers and what’s it’s like to be a famous face/working actor in Hollywood. They were refreshingly candid about how they’re treated (lack of respect and being forced to audition despite their impressive resumes) by the studios. They included interesting details like showing one of Zeljko's contracts which specified the producers had to spell his name correctly; and how one actor got fired and replaced for holding out for a single card credit. There was also a fun segment about how everyone does Star Trek, often multiple times across multiple shows.
Grimm “The Bottle Imp” – Based on the name I was expecting some kind of genie but it turned out to be a standard procedural episode. It passed the time.
Beauty and the Beast – This has already been talked to death. I’ll just echo that Kristin Kreuk is not believable as a tough NYPD detective.
Law and Order SVU – “Twenty-Five Acts" In an episode ripped from the best sellers list, Roger Bart plays a masochist on trial for assaulting the author of a Fifty Shades of Grey type book. The episode would have been better without an unnecessary subplot dealing with who wrote the book.
Prometheus (blu-ray) I actually sat through it again for the Ridley Scott commentary track. I had questions I wanted answered (it literally says on the cover, "Questions Will Be Answered" and I was willing to suffer through it again to get those answers. First, you can skip the 37 minutes worth of deleted scenes because no questions are answered in any of those. As to the commentary, Scott starts off the track by talking about how he designed the alien spaceship to be aerodynamic...I'll cut to the chase and say no questions were answered on the commentary either. Although at a certain point Scott started to rant about the studio trying to interfere and asking him questions about the plot, which he found insulting given all the movies he's made and how he has 3 films in the Library of Congress. Yes, he actually said that. I won't bother with the writer's commentary. At this point I don't care if it answers any questions.
The Tall Man (Netflix Rental) Jessica Biel and Jodelle Ferland star in this thriller about a town coping with the mysterious disappearance of many of their children which is blamed on The Tall Man. The first hour, while not good more or less held my interest and then seemed to wrap everything up. But instead of ending, the movie kept going and going and went from bad to worse.
In article <k5eqh1$gq...@dont-email.me>,
Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> Prometheus (blu-ray) I actually sat through it again for the Ridley > Scott commentary track. I had questions I wanted answered (it literally > says on the cover, "Questions Will Be Answered" and I was willing to > suffer through it again to get those answers. First, you can skip the > 37 minutes worth of deleted scenes because no questions are answered in > any of those. As to the commentary, Scott starts off the track by > talking about how he designed the alien spaceship to be > aerodynamic...I'll cut to the chase and say no questions were answered > on the commentary either. Although at a certain point Scott started to > rant about the studio trying to interfere and asking him questions about > the plot, which he found insulting given all the movies he's made and > how he has 3 films in the Library of Congress. Yes, he actually said > that. I won't bother with the writer's commentary. At this point I > don't care if it answers any questions.
This is the theatrical version? Supposedly the upcoming director's cut ... answers questions.
-- "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> What did you watch?
NASCAR: I endured what I feel is likely a marketing ploy (listening to DE Jr. has a concussion drivel) and saw a good race that went right down to the wire.
THE FIVE YEAR ENGAGEMENT: lots of not funny stuff in this Apatow comedy.
anim8r...@cox.net wrote:
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> BATMAN:
>> Batman and Robin go to "Londinium" for some contrived reason and Batgirl >> tows along.It was so lame I don't recall who the villians were, but >> there was an amusing scene of them attempting to exposition how Batman's >> stuff was brought to England when Bruce Wayne told so-and-so that in >> order to keep Dick Grayson from falling behind in his studies, Bruce had >> his desk and school materials crated for the trip, prompting Dick to say >> something unenthusiastic about being able to study while on vacation.
>The box full of Dick's study aides actually contained the Batmobile and >about half the Batcave.
Yeah, that's what I said, but it was funny that among Dick's study aids included "biological samples". Umm, aren't there international laws about that? ha ha
>> LOST IN SPACE
>> "The Phantom People". This one was retarded, even for a webTV user! >> After seeing the Robinsons, sans the parents who are away in the >> space-chariot (see how cool things sound prefixed with "space"!) being >> "bombarded" every night for a week, we discover an alien motivations >> speaker is behind it who plans to replace the Robinsons with androids >> who will learn how to act like them and then inspire his clients with >> their bravery and ability to survive challenges. Wait, what? Naturally, >> the Dr Smith one is broken so while the others are acting like the star >> of Small Wonder, he is not even that good.
No comment?
>> What did you watch?
>I left ME-TV on all night. Svengoolie cut the BATMAN movie to ribbons, >but at least he apologized for it at every break.
Are you refering to the editing or the mocking?
>Voyage had another horrible Peter Packer episode with a giant sea >spider - this one is a hoot because Richard Basehart isn't really in it, >but they have a body double doing stuff like starting to enter a room >and leaving again before you can see his face!
Is it because they busted their budget on the gaint sea spider>
-- "Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the iceberg a second time."
ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid wrote:
>The Killing Jar (recorded) - I recorded this off Chiller a few nights >ago, and it was definitely better than the 1-star my cable guide rated >it. Michael Madsen plays the usual 'heavy' who goes on a killing spree >and takes a diner, including diner waitress Amber Benson, hostage (also >among the hostages? Harold Perrineau). Anyway, this has some twists >and turns along the way, and though it's probably too meandering and
>'talky' in parts, overall I liked it.
OK, so how did they derive the title?
-- "Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the iceberg a second time."
In article <k5e10v$m5...@dont-email.me>, web...@polaris.net says...
> What did you watch?
On Sat Oct 13 I finally got around to watching the final episodes of:
LEVERAGE: The Rundown Job/ The Frame-Up Job
WEEDS: It's Time (Parts 1 & 2)
It was interesting that they divided the casts for the Leverage episodes. Other than that I found them only average.
I liked the WEEDS 2-parter & the jump in time.
I did write a post elsewhere.
Yesterday morning, Sun Oct 14, I watched:
BOARDWALK EMPIRE: Nights in Ballygran/ Family Limitation,
& last night I watched:
666 PARK AVENUE: Murmurations
I did not think I would be watching any more of this show, but as a poster said he was enjoying it & there were captions this time...
I found it tolerable.
I did mention in a previous post that this second episode would reference Hitchcock's movie The Birds, and it sure did. Even Tippi Hedren was mentioned. IIRC the pest exterminator was warned, and so he had to go tho he was only doing his job.
The next episode, airing here today, is said to reference "The Shining", which I don't think I saw..
This morning, Mon Oct 15, I am still watching:
GRIMM: The Bottle Imp
All I can say atm is that the little girl is cute. & the writers teased the viewers re the memory returning.
On Sunday, October 14, 2012 2:05:05 PM UTC-7, Ubiquitous wrote:
> ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid wrote:
> >The Killing Jar (recorded) - I recorded this off Chiller a few nights > >ago, and it was definitely better than the 1-star my cable guide rated > >it. Michael Madsen plays the usual 'heavy' who goes on a killing spree > >and takes a diner, including diner waitress Amber Benson, hostage (also > >among the hostages? Harold Perrineau). Anyway, this has some twists > >and turns along the way, and though it's probably too meandering and
> >'talky' in parts, overall I liked it.
> OK, so how did they derive the title?
Perhaps because it was basically a 'bottle show' (i.e. it was contained to the diner the entire movie)?...
Ian (One of the things that amused me about this flick is that Amber Benson was clearly the picture's lead, but I think she gets third billing... ;> )
> In article <k5e10v$m5...@dont-email.me>, > web...@polaris.net says...
> > What did you watch?
> On Sat Oct 13 I finally got around to watching the final > episodes of:
> LEVERAGE: The Rundown Job/ The Frame-Up Job
> WEEDS: It's Time (Parts 1 & 2)
> It was interesting that they divided the casts for the > Leverage episodes. Other than that I found them only > average.
> I liked the WEEDS 2-parter & the jump in time.
> I did write a post elsewhere.
> Yesterday morning, Sun Oct 14, I watched:
> BOARDWALK EMPIRE: Nights in Ballygran/ Family Limitation,
> & last night I watched:
> 666 PARK AVENUE: Murmurations
> I did not think I would be watching any more of this show, > but as a poster said he was enjoying it & there were > captions this time...
> I found it tolerable.
> I did mention in a previous post that this second episode > would reference Hitchcock's movie The Birds, and it sure > did. Even Tippi Hedren was mentioned. IIRC the pest > exterminator was warned, and so he had to go tho he was > only doing his job.
> The next episode, airing here today, is said to reference > "The Shining", which I don't think I saw..
> This morning, Mon Oct 15, I am still watching:
> GRIMM: The Bottle Imp
> All I can say atm is that the little girl is cute. & the > writers teased the viewers re the memory returning.
PS: Finally finished watching GRIMM.
Couple of twists at the end.
Actress little girl cute, but not the character!
> In article <k5eqh1$gq...@dont-email.me>,
> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> Prometheus (blu-ray) I actually sat through it again for the Ridley
>> Scott commentary track. I had questions I wanted answered (it literally
>> says on the cover, "Questions Will Be Answered" and I was willing to
>> suffer through it again to get those answers. First, you can skip the
>> 37 minutes worth of deleted scenes because no questions are answered in
>> any of those. As to the commentary, Scott starts off the track by
>> talking about how he designed the alien spaceship to be
>> aerodynamic...I'll cut to the chase and say no questions were answered
>> on the commentary either. Although at a certain point Scott started to
>> rant about the studio trying to interfere and asking him questions about
>> the plot, which he found insulting given all the movies he's made and
>> how he has 3 films in the Library of Congress. Yes, he actually said
>> that. I won't bother with the writer's commentary. At this point I
>> don't care if it answers any questions.
> This is the theatrical version? Supposedly the upcoming director's cut
> ... answers questions.
Wouldn't that just be reintegrating the 37 minutes worth of deleted/alternate scenes?
SPOILERS
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Oddly enough several of the deleted scene would have made for a slightly better movie especially towards the end. In the theatrical cut David talks to the Engineer but he doesn't reply. In the deleted scenes he does reply. This leads to another deleted scene where Elizabeth questions David about what he was told and gives a *slightly* more plausible reason for her decision to go to their home world. They cut his responses to keep him "mysterious." Also in the theatrical version the Engineer shows up out of nowhere then promptly comes to face to face with a giant facehugger. In the alternate version, there's a brief fight scene between Elizabeth and the Engineer before she maneuvers him to the facehugger kill zone. They cut the fight scene because they claimed it wasn't believable she could fight an Engineer. I don't see why. First, she had an axe and second, she didn't kill him, she held him off long enough for a giant facehugger to kill him.
Scott claims he's thinking about making a couple more sequels. Perhaps questions will be answered then.
anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
>David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Now watching HOMELAND: The Smile
>Let us know if there's any nekkid nudity involving Morena Baccarin. A >time stamp would be nice too. :)
anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>Now watching HOMELAND: The Smile
>>>Let us know if there's any nekkid nudity involving Morena Baccarin. A >>>time stamp would be nice too. :)
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ijb...@mac.com wrote:
>On Sunday, October 14, 2012 2:05:05 PM UTC-7, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid wrote:
>>>The Killing Jar (recorded) - I recorded this off Chiller a few nights >>>ago, and it was definitely better than the 1-star my cable guide rated >>>it. Michael Madsen plays the usual 'heavy' who goes on a killing spree >>>and takes a diner, including diner waitress Amber Benson, hostage (also >>>among the hostages? Harold Perrineau). Anyway, this has some twists >>>and turns along the way, and though it's probably too meandering and
>>>'talky' in parts, overall I liked it.
>> OK, so how did they derive the title?
>Perhaps because it was basically a 'bottle show' (i.e. it was contained >to the diner the entire movie)?...
Too "meta" and too convoluted.
-- "Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the iceberg a second time."
dbar3...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
>666 PARK AVENUE: Murmurations
>I did not think I would be watching any more of this show, >but as a poster said he was enjoying it & there were >captions this time...
>I found it tolerable.
>I did mention in a previous post that this second episode >would reference Hitchcock's movie The Birds, and it sure >did. Even Tippi Hedren was mentioned. IIRC the pest >exterminator was warned, and so he had to go tho he was >only doing his job.
>The next episode, airing here today, is said to reference >"The Shining", which I don't think I saw..
Yes, it did!
-- "Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the iceberg a second time."
Ubiquitous sent the following on Sun, 14 Oct 2012 05:33:44 -0400:
> What did you watch?
I watched Notre Dame go to 6-0 with ESPN College GameDay in town for the
festivities. And while the Irish got screwed by a non-call on the
infamous "Bush Push" in their loss to U$C the last time Herbie and
company were in town, this year they got the benefit of a final call
that could have gone either way. (Although we have no idea when the
whistle blew *and* I honestly think that the Stanford runner's elbow had
hit the ground before the ball crossed the plane of the goal line.)
ND Offense: C-
ND Defense: A+
ND Special Teams: B+
I also watched the Illini get spanked 45-0 by a bunch of Ann Arbor
bastages. But I only watched that one during commercial breaks of the
Irish game, so it didn't hurt too much and was actually quite comical
when it was all said and done.
Illini Offense: F
Illini Defense: F
Illini Special Teams: D-
-- Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"Get down off the cross. We need the wood." -- Pete Lattimer, WAREHOUSE 13
