Vampire Diaries - Question about show (minor spoiler)
Arthur Lipscomb
Too bad they couldn't keep the picture from freezing, jumping and generally
being unwatchable for a third of the episodes. Anyway, my question is this,
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Wouldn't a wooden bullet be obliterated if fired from a gun? I obviously
don't know anything about guns so I guess the same question would apply to
bullets made of ice which I've seen depicted before as well.
Ian J. Ball
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I've wondered that myself...
John McWilliams
Wooden- quite possible, especially with a reduced charge behind it to
reduce fragmentation.
One could even imagine a carefully crafted bullet of wood that'd fly out
two short arms as it exits the barrel....(thus providing a cross)
Ice- not so much. Under extremely controlled conditions, and a very
reduced charge, maybe.
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john mcwilliams
shawn
I think you could make a wooden bullet work by doing one of two
things. First would be to choose the strongest wood you can find. The
other thing you could do is to use a wooden core surrounded by a metal
jacket. That should still have the same effect on vampires and yet
would carry more like a regular bullet.
Arthur Lipscomb
"John McWilliams" <jp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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The explanation of the how their powers work was one of the segments where
the picture was freezing and jumping. So do crosses work on these vampires?
John McWilliams
Dunno. Was interested in the side questions about what could be fired
out a rifle barrel. Now, what good Vampire isn't stopped by a cross??
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john mcwilliams
David Johnston
Mythbusters tested the ice bullet idea, and yes it was destroyed on
firing. It seems likely that a wooden bullet would just be a spray of
splinters.
Anim8rFSK
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John McWilliams
Prolly so! I am also likely to confuse werewolfdom with vampiredom, and
definitely last C, too.
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Ian J. Ball
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Not in VD-verse. Holy water also does nothing. And they can be seen in
mirrors.
But staking them with a wooden stake will kill them, as you no doubt
saw in the later episodes with Kayla Ewell and Arielle Kebbel.
Anlatt the Builder
Elena: "Crosses?"
Stephen: "Decorative."
E: "Holy water."
S: "Drinkable."
Adam H. Kerman
Agatha Christie was wrong?
Stan Brown
<jp...@comcast.net>:
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> Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
> > The explanation of the how their powers work was one of the segments
> > where the picture was freezing and jumping. So do crosses work on these
> > vampires?
>
> Dunno. Was interested in the side questions about what could be fired
> out a rifle barrel. Now, what good Vampire isn't stopped by a cross??
They make up the rules as they go along. After all, these vampires
are immune to daylight, and they consume normal food and drink.
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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"You may be the Universe's butt puppet, but I'm its right-
hand fist of fate." -- /Wonderfalls/
Ian J. Ball
> Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:52:13 -0800 from John McWilliams
> <jp...@comcast.net>:
> > Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
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> > > The explanation of the how their powers work was one of the segments
> > > where the picture was freezing and jumping. So do crosses work on these
> > > vampires?
>
> > Dunno. Was interested in the side questions about what could be fired
> > out a rifle barrel. Now, what good Vampire isn't stopped by a cross??
>
> They make up the rules as they go along. After all, these vampires
> are immune to daylight, and they consume normal food and drink.
No - only Stefan and Damon (and before them, Katherine) are "immune"
to daylight, and that's only because of the special rings they wear -
all other full vamps can't go out in the day.
Adam H. Kerman
>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:52:13 -0800 from John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net>:
>>Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
>>>The explanation of the how their powers work was one of the segments
>>>where the picture was freezing and jumping. So do crosses work on these
>>>vampires?
>>Dunno. Was interested in the side questions about what could be fired
>>out a rifle barrel. Now, what good Vampire isn't stopped by a cross??
>They make up the rules as they go along. After all, these vampires
>are immune to daylight, and they consume normal food and drink.
Each brother wears an enchanted ring to allow them to walk around during
the day. The rings are unique to each of them. Their origin hasn't been
revealed.
Did they say if Katherine wore one as well?
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The ones on True Blood.
John McWilliams
Of course not!
Wooden bullets have long been used, for practice/training, and
sometimes when metals were scarce, as in Okinawa during the seige.
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john mcwilliams
Mr. Hole The Magnificent: An ABC Studios Production
> Too bad they couldn't keep the picture from freezing, jumping and generally
> being unwatchable for a third of the episodes.
That's your cable box, not the CW. Do you have a DVR, are you
recording on regular stations rather than the HD ones?
Adam H. Kerman
>>Agatha Christie was wrong?
>Of course not!
I thought she invented covering up a murder by ice bullet.
Anim8rFSK
Nope. Anna Katharine Green, "Initials Only" (1911) a decade or so
before Christie was published.
It's unclear to me if Christie used an ice bullet at all; a Google
search for her name and ice bullet doesn't return a cite.
Ian J. Ball
I believe she was wearing a big honking ring in at least one of the
scenes in the flashback episode "Bad Girls". So, while I don't think
they've said so explicitly, it's been pretty clear implicitly that she
had one of those rings.
Stan Brown
<ib...@san.rr.com>:
As I said, they make up the rules as they go along. The idea of rings
that let them go in the daylight is not part of any other vampire
legend that I know of.
Anlatt the Builder
> Sun, 27 Dec 2009 06:54:55 -0800 (PST) from Ian J. Ball
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> > On Dec 27, 6:08 am, Stan Brown <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > > Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:52:13 -0800 from John McWilliams
> > > <jp...@comcast.net>:
> > > > Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
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> > > > > The explanation of the how their powers work was one of the segments
> > > > > where the picture was freezing and jumping. So do crosses work on these
> > > > > vampires?
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> > > > Dunno. Was interested in the side questions about what could be fired
> > > > out a rifle barrel. Now, what good Vampire isn't stopped by a cross??
>
> > > They make up the rules as they go along. After all, these vampires
> > > are immune to daylight, and they consume normal food and drink.
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> > No - only Stefan and Damon (and before them, Katherine) are "immune"
> > to daylight, and that's only because of the special rings they wear -
> > all other full vamps can't go out in the day.
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> As I said, they make up the rules as they go along. The idea of rings
> that let them go in the daylight is not part of any other vampire
> legend that I know of.
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That's not quite the same as "making it up as they go along." The
rings were part of the plot from the beginning of the series.
There is no "official rule set" for vampires. Bram Stoker made his up
as he went along, or, more precisely, picked and chose among dozens of
competing legends and mythologies. I don't know of any two substantive
versions that use exactly the same set of rules.
Anim8rFSK
Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Sun, 27 Dec 2009 06:54:55 -0800 (PST) from Ian J. Ball
> <ib...@san.rr.com>:
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> > On Dec 27, 6:08�am, Stan Brown <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > > Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:52:13 -0800 from John McWilliams
> > > <jp...@comcast.net>:
> > > > Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
> > >
> > > > > The explanation of the how their powers work was one of the segments
> > > > > where the picture was freezing and jumping. �So do crosses work on
> > > > > these
> > > > > vampires?
> > >
> > > > Dunno. Was interested in the side questions about what could be fired
> > > > out a rifle barrel. Now, what good Vampire isn't stopped by a cross??
> > >
> > > They make up the rules as they go along. �After all, these vampires
> > > are immune to daylight, and they consume normal food and drink.
> >
> > No - only Stefan and Damon (and before them, Katherine) are "immune"
> > to daylight, and that's only because of the special rings they wear -
> > all other full vamps can't go out in the day.
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> As I said, they make up the rules as they go along. The idea of rings
> that let them go in the daylight is not part of any other vampire
> legend that I know of.
Uh - Buffy/Angel anyone? The Gem of Amarra was set in a ring, making
vampires invulnerable to everything, including daylight.
David Johnston
Although their familiarity with witches and what they do is a hint.
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>Did they say if Katherine wore one as well?
Well she was walking around in daylight.
Arthur Lipscomb
"Mr. Hole The Magnificent: An ABC Studios Production"
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I was recording to two different DVRs in high def. Both DVRs had the same
playback problems. The problem seemed to be with the broadcast itself.
There have been some similar issues with Fox lately (there the picture would
just freeze for a minute or two). And the problems do seem to be localized
to the high def broadcasts.
Thanatos
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
Even a chainsaw?
Anim8rFSK
Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
Good question. Wiki says it makes vampires immune to vampire
weaknesses. We know it worked on sunlight and staking. I have no idea
what would happen to a Buffy vampire wearing the ring if he was at
ground zero at an atomic test, but then I have no idea hat would happen
to a Buffy vampire not wearing the ring if he was at ground zero at an
atomic test either. But Angel treated the gem as if it made a vamp
wearing it unstoppable and felt it had to be destroyed. I always
thought that was a little overreactionary.
Thanatos
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
Well, considering Spike was in a wheelchair for months, they can be
injured, even severely, and they don't recover immediately, I'd think an
atomic bomb would pretty much do one for good. Besides, they vaporized
pretty nicely just from regular fire. I'd think nuclear annihilation
would be several orders of magnitude more effective than a torch.
> But Angel treated the gem as if it made a vamp
> wearing it unstoppable and felt it had to be destroyed.
Not unstoppable. Not as long as there are witches like Willow around. A
quick teleport spell and the unstoppable vampire finds himself in outer
space on a vector that will send him drifting helplessly in the void for
a billion or so years.
Anim8rFSK
Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
We don't know how long Spike actually needed to be in the wheelchair, or
if he ever did; wasn't he faking it, at least at the end?
> injured, even severely, and they don't recover immediately, I'd think an
> atomic bomb would pretty much do one for good. Besides, they vaporized
> pretty nicely just from regular fire. I'd think nuclear annihilation
> would be several orders of magnitude more effective than a torch.
>
> > But Angel treated the gem as if it made a vamp
> > wearing it unstoppable and felt it had to be destroyed.
>
> Not unstoppable. Not as long as there are witches like Willow around. A
> quick teleport spell and the unstoppable vampire finds himself in outer
> space on a vector that will send him drifting helplessly in the void for
> a billion or so years.
I'm on record as thinking Angel was wrong. :)
Rob Jensen
<art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>Smart move by the CW running that marathon. They've picked up a new viewer.
>Too bad they couldn't keep the picture from freezing, jumping and generally
>being unwatchable for a third of the episodes. Anyway, my question is this,
>
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>Wouldn't a wooden bullet be obliterated if fired from a gun? I obviously
>don't know anything about guns so I guess the same question would apply to
>bullets made of ice which I've seen depicted before as well.
I wood ;) think that it depends on the distance between the shooter
and target. Even wax blanks are deadly if shot at a person within the
bullet's range. (extreme example: Jon-Eric Hexum from Voyagers.)
-- Rob