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Ed Stasiak
Oct 29, 2012, 5:39:41 PM10/29/12
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Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
encountering the Governor for the first time.
Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to
demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
(as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd
gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle
tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy
if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S.
Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic
it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
encountering the Governor for the first time.
Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to
demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
(as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd
gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle
tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy
if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S.
Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic
it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
Lord Vader III
Oct 29, 2012, 5:43:09 PM10/29/12
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On 10/29/2012 4:39 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
> paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
> encountering the Governor for the first time.
>
> Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to
> demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
> her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
> despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
>
> What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
> the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
> close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
>
> I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
> he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
> (as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
>
> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
My guess is that he didn't think they would acknowledge his authority
> Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
> paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
> encountering the Governor for the first time.
>
> Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to
> demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
> her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
> despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
>
> What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
> the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
> close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
>
> I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
> he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
> (as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
>
> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
and cause problems for him in the long run.
LVIII
Ed Stasiak
Oct 29, 2012, 6:26:17 PM10/29/12
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> Lord Vader III
> > Ed Stasiak
his current civilian gunmen and I'd suggest military types
(even Nat.Guardsmen) would be more apt to follow orders
then a civilian.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> My guess is that he didn't think they would acknowledge
> his authority and cause problems for him in the long run.
Sure, that's an issue but no more then the threat posed by
> My guess is that he didn't think they would acknowledge
> his authority and cause problems for him in the long run.
his current civilian gunmen and I'd suggest military types
(even Nat.Guardsmen) would be more apt to follow orders
then a civilian.
cloud dreamer
Oct 29, 2012, 6:39:10 PM10/29/12
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the place one at a time and integrated. They became a cohesive group.
The soldiers are already in a cohesive group. They won't integrate
nearly as easily. They might and they might not.
Like Rick, he was not willing to take the chance.
Now, if people want to whine about something, why not rag on them for
not showing the acres of crops necessary to keep that many people alive.
A couple of raised beds aren't cutting it.
Not that I care. I can imagine those fields out there somewhere.
But if people wanna nitpick...nitpick.
..
BTR1701
Oct 29, 2012, 6:44:24 PM10/29/12
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Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
> What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
> the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
> close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
On the Talking Dead, they had the executive producer on as a guest and he
> What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
> the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
> close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
said the tea thing is a shout out to one of the crew, who always shows up
impeccably dressed and has his own blend of teas that he personally brews
on set.
Harold Groot
Oct 29, 2012, 8:19:36 PM10/29/12
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If he actually was Governor of the state, he might have called out the
National Guard near the beginning - and then as things deteriorated,
he wound up issuing orders that revealed just how much of a maniac he
really was. Much of the general population might not be aware of
those orders, but it's quite possible that some surviving National
Guard units might. So he can't take a chance on that.
That doesn't really explain why the helicopter survivor was willing to
tell him where the others were - but he could have been desperate
enough to think "Hey, by this time we've all GOT to stick together.
By now surely even the Governor recognizes this."
Of course, the Governor would certainly have been willing to use
torture had it be needed - but as presented, he didn't have to.
The offer to let them walk away, with their weapons left outside the
gate - Michonne seems to realize that that way is certain death, even
if she can't point a finger at exactly why she feels that way. But
with all the people that went out to slaughter the National Guardsmen,
it would seem impossible that what they're doing is being kept a
secret from everyone in the town. Secrets get out.
BTR1701
Oct 29, 2012, 8:46:15 PM10/29/12
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In article <508f1a94...@news.west.earthlink.net>,
que...@infionline.net (Harold Groot) wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak
> <esta...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> Lord Vader III
> >> > Ed Stasiak
> >> >
> >> My guess is that he didn't think they would acknowledge
> >> his authority and cause problems for him in the long run.
> >
> >Sure, that's an issue but no more then the threat posed by
> >his current civilian gunmen and I'd suggest military types
> >(even Nat.Guardsmen) would be more apt to follow orders
> >then a civilian.
>
> Just a wild guess -
> If he actually was Governor of the state
He's not. He's just a guy who has assumed that title for himself.
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak
> <esta...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> Lord Vader III
> >> > Ed Stasiak
> >> >
> >> My guess is that he didn't think they would acknowledge
> >> his authority and cause problems for him in the long run.
> >
> >Sure, that's an issue but no more then the threat posed by
> >his current civilian gunmen and I'd suggest military types
> >(even Nat.Guardsmen) would be more apt to follow orders
> >then a civilian.
>
> Just a wild guess -
> If he actually was Governor of the state
Lynn McGuire
Oct 29, 2012, 9:01:33 PM10/29/12
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On 10/29/2012 4:39 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
Lynn
Bob(but not THAT Bob)
Oct 29, 2012, 9:35:08 PM10/29/12
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Bob(but not THAT Bob)
Oct 29, 2012, 9:41:34 PM10/29/12
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Ed Stasiak wrote:
>
> Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
> paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
> encountering the Governor for the first time.
>
> Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to
> demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
> her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
> despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
>
> What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
> the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
> close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
>
> I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
> he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
> (as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
>
> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
Unlike Ranger Rick, he's a man who does what needs to be done.
>
> Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
> paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
> encountering the Governor for the first time.
>
> Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to
> demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
> her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
> despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
>
> What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
> the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
> close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
>
> I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
> he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
> (as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
>
> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
He's got a nice thing going here - why risk anything, including the babe
in his bed - you know how they like a "man in uniform".
Ed Stasiak
Oct 29, 2012, 9:43:56 PM10/29/12
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> BTR1701
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > What's up with the tea? there must be something to it?
some role later in the series because if that's all it really is,
that's stupid.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > What's up with the tea? there must be something to it?
>
> he said the tea thing is a shout out to one of the crew, who
> always shows up impeccably dressed and has his own blend
> of teas that he personally brews on set.
I ain't buying that. He must be covering up for the tea playing
> he said the tea thing is a shout out to one of the crew, who
> always shows up impeccably dressed and has his own blend
> of teas that he personally brews on set.
some role later in the series because if that's all it really is,
that's stupid.
BTR1701
Oct 29, 2012, 10:09:12 PM10/29/12
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In article
<d977cd82-3e42-4450...@b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Why would you not buy that they'd do something stupid?
<d977cd82-3e42-4450...@b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
Oct 29, 2012, 11:47:22 PM10/29/12
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In article <k6n8tk$bn7$1...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
>
> You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
> the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
which is a hint: notice that the Lt's head hasn't deteriorated to that of the
>
> You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
> the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
rest of the heads, maybe the fluid in the tank has some effect on whatever it is
that makes them walkers
anim8rFSK
Oct 29, 2012, 11:55:02 PM10/29/12
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In article
<d977cd82-3e42-4450...@b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
<d977cd82-3e42-4450...@b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
Harold Groot
Oct 30, 2012, 12:15:15 AM10/30/12
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show Babylon 5) - though he let the flesh rot in the open air rather
than putting the heads in nice jars of liquid.
SoHillsGuy
Oct 30, 2012, 12:38:06 AM10/30/12
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On the blooper front, those certainly look like routine jet streak-clouds across the sky when the helicopter was losing control in the opening minutes...
Rich
Oct 30, 2012, 4:00:14 AM10/30/12
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Lord Vader III <lord.va...@gmail.com> wrote in news:k6mt9e$665$1
@speranza.aioe.org:
But of ccourse it can't be rationalized completely like that because of
the near orgasm he seemed to have when he killed the last soldier. He
can't just be cruely pragmatic, he has to be insane as well. The town he
's running is probably like the one in "A Boy and His Dog." Blondy will
figure that out shortly.
@speranza.aioe.org:
the near orgasm he seemed to have when he killed the last soldier. He
can't just be cruely pragmatic, he has to be insane as well. The town he
's running is probably like the one in "A Boy and His Dog." Blondy will
figure that out shortly.
Ubiquitous
Oct 30, 2012, 4:49:49 AM10/30/12
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--
"Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the
iceberg a second time."
EB
Oct 30, 2012, 8:26:11 AM10/30/12
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On Monday, October 29, 2012 9:39:41 PM UTC, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne encountering the Governor for the first time. Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor, despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation). What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it? I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites (as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has). I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen? There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S. Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
In the comics, Rick and crew find the station, but it's empty. Rick assumes the Governor and crew had already been there. I think Kirkland was just keeping to his plotline script. It was kind of nice to actually see what had happened to the soldiers at the army camp, becaue in the comics it's just assumed.
> Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne encountering the Governor for the first time. Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor, despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation). What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it? I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites (as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has). I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen? There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S. Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
EB
anim8rFSK
Oct 30, 2012, 11:14:41 AM10/30/12
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In article <k6o4c8$ngd$1...@dont-email.me>,
and still moving.
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> In article <k6n8tk$bn7$1...@dont-email.me>, l...@winsim.com wrote:
> >On 10/29/2012 4:39 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>
> >> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
> >> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
> >>
> >> There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd
> >> gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle
> >> tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy
> >> if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S.
> >>
> >> Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic
> >> it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
> >
> >You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
> >the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
>
> Those didn't appear to be zombie heads... and one looked familiar.
They'd pretty much HAVE to be zombie heads, being, you know, decapitated
> In article <k6n8tk$bn7$1...@dont-email.me>, l...@winsim.com wrote:
> >On 10/29/2012 4:39 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>
> >> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
> >> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
> >>
> >> There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd
> >> gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle
> >> tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy
> >> if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S.
> >>
> >> Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic
> >> it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
> >
> >You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
> >the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
>
> Those didn't appear to be zombie heads... and one looked familiar.
and still moving.
anim8rFSK
Oct 30, 2012, 11:15:47 AM10/30/12
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In article <kJidnRHp5siTFBLN...@giganews.com>,
I never understood why the protagonist wanted out of the "A Boy and His
Dog" town so badly. They wanted to house and feed him and make him be a
breeder. Where's the downside?
Dog" town so badly. They wanted to house and feed him and make him be a
breeder. Where's the downside?
Ed Stasiak
Oct 30, 2012, 11:32:52 AM10/30/12
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> cloud dreamer
> > Ed Stasiak
I don't watch that. But I still contend that the advantage
of recruiting the Guardsmen outweighs the risk.
> not showing the acres of crops necessary to keep that many
> people alive. A couple of raised beds aren't cutting it. I can
the countryside, thus the Governors people have been looting
everything for miles around for the last 8-9 months since the
zombiepocalypse went down.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > Sure, that's an issue but no more then the threat posed
> > by his current civilian gunmen
>
> As noted on Talking Dead
> > Sure, that's an issue but no more then the threat posed
> > by his current civilian gunmen
>
I don't watch that. But I still contend that the advantage
of recruiting the Guardsmen outweighs the risk.
> not showing the acres of crops necessary to keep that many
> imagine those fields out there somewhere.
Can't do any farming when there's zombie hordes wandering
the countryside, thus the Governors people have been looting
everything for miles around for the last 8-9 months since the
zombiepocalypse went down.
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Ed Stasiak
Oct 30, 2012, 11:51:54 AM10/30/12
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> anim8rFSK
> BTR1701
> > Ed Stasiak
Scientist has set-up, the title of the episode is "Tea Time",
leading me to believe it's more then just a stupid shout
out to some nobody crew member.
Until something else is said, (or they drop the reference)
I'm sticking with the anti-zombie bite serum theory.
> BTR1701
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > because if that's all it really is, that's stupid.
>
> > because if that's all it really is, that's stupid.
>
> Why would you not buy that they'd do something stupid?
>
>
> Yep. I really think that's all it is.
In addition to the zombie research laboratory the Nerdy
Scientist has set-up, the title of the episode is "Tea Time",
leading me to believe it's more then just a stupid shout
out to some nobody crew member.
Until something else is said, (or they drop the reference)
I'm sticking with the anti-zombie bite serum theory.
Ed Stasiak
Oct 30, 2012, 12:02:28 PM10/30/12
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> Ubiquitous
> > Lynn McGuire
comic but the Governor did have Michonne's pet zombie
heads in tanks, (which should still be alive) as well as
the chopper pilot's.
> > Lynn McGuire
> >
> > You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
> > the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
>
> Those didn't appear to be zombie heads... and one
> looked familiar.
They weren't "alive", which I believe was the case in the
> > You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
> > the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
>
> Those didn't appear to be zombie heads... and one
> looked familiar.
comic but the Governor did have Michonne's pet zombie
heads in tanks, (which should still be alive) as well as
the chopper pilot's.
inf...@mindspring.com
Oct 30, 2012, 1:21:46 PM10/30/12
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:15:47 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:
>
>I never understood why the protagonist wanted out of the "A Boy and His
>Dog" town so badly. They wanted to house and feed him and make him be a
>breeder. Where's the downside?
Having your Willy hooked up to what is essentialy an automatic milking
machine? Not my idea of breeding.
wrote:
>
>I never understood why the protagonist wanted out of the "A Boy and His
>Dog" town so badly. They wanted to house and feed him and make him be a
>breeder. Where's the downside?
machine? Not my idea of breeding.
Mason Barge
Oct 30, 2012, 3:58:17 PM10/30/12
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correct?
anim8rFSK
Oct 30, 2012, 4:08:39 PM10/30/12
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In article <133098143v9h8mv7d...@4ax.com>,
Oh, yeah, the movie changed that, didn't it. The book has him doing it
the old fashioned way. :)
the old fashioned way. :)
inf...@mindspring.com
Oct 30, 2012, 4:39:24 PM10/30/12
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:58:17 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
with a bunch of tubes leading from it. Might be fun for the first
fifteen minutes or so...
wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:21:46 -0400, inf...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:15:47 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I never understood why the protagonist wanted out of the "A Boy and His
>>>Dog" town so badly. They wanted to house and feed him and make him be a
>>>breeder. Where's the downside?
>>
>>Having your Willy hooked up to what is essentialy an automatic milking
>>machine? Not my idea of breeding.
>
>Hmmmz. Is this hypothetical "milking machine", er, um . . . anatomically
>correct?
Anatomically correct for a milking machine. Literally a suction device
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:21:46 -0400, inf...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:15:47 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I never understood why the protagonist wanted out of the "A Boy and His
>>>Dog" town so badly. They wanted to house and feed him and make him be a
>>>breeder. Where's the downside?
>>
>>Having your Willy hooked up to what is essentialy an automatic milking
>>machine? Not my idea of breeding.
>
>Hmmmz. Is this hypothetical "milking machine", er, um . . . anatomically
>correct?
with a bunch of tubes leading from it. Might be fun for the first
fifteen minutes or so...
Ubiquitous
Oct 30, 2012, 7:53:02 PM10/30/12
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anim...@cox.net wrote:
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> l...@winsim.com wrote:
>> >On 10/29/2012 4:39 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> >> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
>> >> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
>> >>
>> >> There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd
>> >> gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle
>> >> tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy
>> >> if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S.
>> >>
>> >> Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic
>> >> it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
>> >
>> >You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
>> >the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
>>
>> Those didn't appear to be zombie heads... and one looked familiar.
>
>They'd pretty much HAVE to be zombie heads, being, you know, decapitated
>and still moving.
Were they? They seemed motionless to me, and I watched carefully to be sure.
>> l...@winsim.com wrote:
>> >On 10/29/2012 4:39 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> >> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
>> >> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
>> >>
>> >> There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd
>> >> gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle
>> >> tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy
>> >> if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S.
>> >>
>> >> Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic
>> >> it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
>> >
>> >You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
>> >the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
>>
>> Those didn't appear to be zombie heads... and one looked familiar.
>
>They'd pretty much HAVE to be zombie heads, being, you know, decapitated
>and still moving.
Ubiquitous
Oct 30, 2012, 7:53:46 PM10/30/12
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BTR1701
Oct 30, 2012, 9:09:03 PM10/30/12
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In article <k6ppbq$14m$4...@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> esta...@att.net wrote:
> >> Ubiquitous
> >> > Lynn McGuire
>
> >> > You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
> >> > the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
> >>
> >> Those didn't appear to be zombie heads... and one
> >> looked familiar.
> >
> >They weren't "alive", which I believe was the case in the
> >comic but the Governor did have Michonne's pet zombie
> >heads in tanks, (which should still be alive) as well as
> >the chopper pilot's.
>
> I watched carefully for signs of movement but didn't see anything.
Chopper pilot's eyes were clearly moving back and forth.
> esta...@att.net wrote:
> >> Ubiquitous
> >> > Lynn McGuire
>
> >> > You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
> >> > the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
> >>
> >> Those didn't appear to be zombie heads... and one
> >> looked familiar.
> >
> >They weren't "alive", which I believe was the case in the
> >comic but the Governor did have Michonne's pet zombie
> >heads in tanks, (which should still be alive) as well as
> >the chopper pilot's.
>
> I watched carefully for signs of movement but didn't see anything.
Hunter
Oct 31, 2012, 4:03:25 AM10/31/12
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:39:41 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak
<esta...@att.net> wrote:
>Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
>paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
>encountering the Governor for the first time.
------
<esta...@att.net> wrote:
>Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
>paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
>encountering the Governor for the first time.
Nice change of pace.
>
>Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to
>demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
>her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
>despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
-----
>Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to
>demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
>her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
>despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
She is naturally distrustful. She just happens to be right this time.
If I am right she will treat Rick the same way despite Andrea and his
reunion.
I am sure Andrea will be devastated by Shane's death and probably will
be a little more shocked at Rick's "new found" ruthlessness, albeit he
is still a lot more civilized than The Governor.
>
>What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
>the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
>close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
-----
>What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
>the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
>close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
It is a in joke reference to someone behind the scenes on the show.
>
>I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
>he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
>(as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
-----
>I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
>he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
>(as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
If you are right I just hope the brewing process doesn't include
steeping the drink with zombie heads like a larva in mezcal :-)
>
>I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
>doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
-----
>I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
>doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
Because they will oppose his power and he want
>
>There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd
>gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle
>tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy
>if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S.
------
>There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd
>gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle
>tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy
>if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S.
I don't think he wants to take over the US right now but to draw a
parallel maybe this is how the Monroe Republic got started in
"Revolution". It does seem Monroe is just as blood thirsty. Let's see
where "The Governor" is in 14 years time. Maybe he will have the
"_______________ Republic" (we don't know his real name yet).
>
>Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic
>it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
-----
>Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic
>it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
I disagree that he was "obviously" insanely evil otherwise you are
making the same assumption that you thought Michonne was doing. As an
example of "obviously" evil that would be Drexel on "Revolution". He's
batshit crazy (even with the reason of why he is pissed at Miles), but
yes having "The Governor" slaughter all those innocent solders does
show how evil he was and doesn't want ANY threat to his rule. Who else
would Merle follow and be afraid off? That should've told us how evil
he was even without the slaughter scene.
------>Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
Hunter
Oct 31, 2012, 10:03:19 AM10/31/12
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:43:09 -0500, Lord Vader III
<lord.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/29/2012 4:39 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
>> paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
>> encountering the Governor for the first time.
>>
I think so as well. As he said it is easier to intergrate individuals
and maybe small groups of two or even three into his settlement, but
not a fairly large group of cohesive people with there own command
structure.
Of course he is interested in maintaining dictatorial powers not
saving people's lives.
<lord.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/29/2012 4:39 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
>> paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
>> encountering the Governor for the first time.
>>
>> Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to
>> demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
>> her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
>> despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
>>
>> demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
>> her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
>> despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
>>
>> What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
>> the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
>> close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
>>
>> the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
>> close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
>>
>> I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
>> he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
>> (as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
>>
>> he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
>> (as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
>>
>> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
>> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
>
>> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
>
>My guess is that he didn't think they would acknowledge his authority
>and cause problems for him in the long run.
-----
>and cause problems for him in the long run.
I think so as well. As he said it is easier to intergrate individuals
and maybe small groups of two or even three into his settlement, but
not a fairly large group of cohesive people with there own command
structure.
Of course he is interested in maintaining dictatorial powers not
saving people's lives.
Hunter
Oct 31, 2012, 11:33:54 AM10/31/12
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:09:10 -0230, cloud dreamer
<red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
>On 29/10/2012 7:56 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> Lord Vader III
>>>> Ed Stasiak
>> (even Nat.Guardsmen) would be more apt to follow orders
>> then a civilian.
>>
>
>As noted on Talking Dead, his own henchmen were individuals who came to
>the place one at a time and integrated. They became a cohesive group.
>
>The soldiers are already in a cohesive group. They won't integrate
>nearly as easily. They might and they might not.
>
>Like Rick, he was not willing to take the chance.
>
>Now, if people want to whine about something, why not rag on them for
>
>But if people wanna nitpick...nitpick.
------
You ae right about the intergration of big groups. They will have
their own loyalties and command structure, and not just because they
were soldiers, so they had to go
On the other hand be patient about the farm thing. We have not seen
all of their town or outside of it.
<red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
>On 29/10/2012 7:56 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> Lord Vader III
>>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>>
>>> My guess is that he didn't think they would acknowledge
>>> his authority and cause problems for him in the long run.
>>
>>> My guess is that he didn't think they would acknowledge
>>> his authority and cause problems for him in the long run.
>>
>> Sure, that's an issue but no more then the threat posed by
>> his current civilian gunmen and I'd suggest military types
>> (even Nat.Guardsmen) would be more apt to follow orders
>> then a civilian.
>>
>
>As noted on Talking Dead, his own henchmen were individuals who came to
>the place one at a time and integrated. They became a cohesive group.
>
>The soldiers are already in a cohesive group. They won't integrate
>nearly as easily. They might and they might not.
>
>Like Rick, he was not willing to take the chance.
>
>Now, if people want to whine about something, why not rag on them for
>not showing the acres of crops necessary to keep that many people alive.
>A couple of raised beds aren't cutting it.
>
>Not that I care. I can imagine those fields out there somewhere.
>A couple of raised beds aren't cutting it.
>
>
>But if people wanna nitpick...nitpick.
------
You ae right about the intergration of big groups. They will have
their own loyalties and command structure, and not just because they
were soldiers, so they had to go
On the other hand be patient about the farm thing. We have not seen
all of their town or outside of it.
Ed Stasiak
Oct 31, 2012, 12:50:14 PM10/31/12
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> Hunter
> > Ed Stasiak
And while Rick & Co will obviously come in contact with
the Governor at some point, until that happens, I hope
AMC sticks to this separate episode plan for each group
of characters, as opposed to cutting back-and-forth within
the episode.
> > Don't care for Michonne at all
>
> She is naturally distrustful.
Yeah, they made that abundantly clear with her constant silent
scowling or angry demands for her weapons.
I like that AMC toned down the Governor character and gave
him some realistic subtly, compared to the over-the-top mustache
twirling evilness he had in the comic.
I just wish they'd had done the same for Michonne.
> She just happens to be right this time.
I can understand being cautious but the Governor gave her no
reason (considering the situation) to be openly hostile towards
him.
They modified (for the better) the Governor's character but they
left Michonne as the same brooding super hero ninja gal (who
can magically sense the Governor is evil) she was in the comics,
and it don't mesh well with the other characters.
She's far too "comic bookish" compared to everyone else, who
are just regular people caught up in a unique situation.
> I am sure Andrea will be devastated by Shane's death
They might play it up that way but I don't feel there's much basis for
it, as they wasted the opportunity in S2 to really build a connection
between Andrea and Shane, beside them get'n it on that one time.
> and probably will be a little more shocked at Rick's "new found"
> ruthlessness
Thou last season Andrea went from a ding-bat yuppie to being
pretty ruthless herself and after all she's been thru the past winter,
(and will likely go thru in Woodbury…) she ought to be cool with
the Ricktatorship.
> > What's up with the tea?
>
producers.
> > I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula
>
> > I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job
> > and doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guards-
> > men?
from a real world perspective, incorporating the Guardsmen
would be of great benefit to the community.
> > And trained and battle tested soldiers will come in handy
about taking back civilization from the zombies and his people
have been thoroughly scrounging the local area and eliminating
zombies when practical.
At least he has a plan beyond just hiding from zombies.
Again, I like the changes AMC made to the Governor character,
as I don't remember the comic character being interested in any
thing more then being a purely local evil despot.
> > Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the
> > comic it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
>
viewers that he's more then just a ruthless guy, (compared to
Rick's actions) he's obviously crazy.
In the comic, this was clear from the start (in addition to other
elements that may/may not be included in the show) but the
TV show had to do something to show that to the viewers.
My gripe was Michonne immediately tuning in on this, when
he did nothing to lead her to that conclusion.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
> > encountering the Governor for the first time.
>
> Nice change of pace.
> > focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
> > encountering the Governor for the first time.
>
And while Rick & Co will obviously come in contact with
the Governor at some point, until that happens, I hope
AMC sticks to this separate episode plan for each group
of characters, as opposed to cutting back-and-forth within
the episode.
> > Don't care for Michonne at all
>
Yeah, they made that abundantly clear with her constant silent
scowling or angry demands for her weapons.
I like that AMC toned down the Governor character and gave
him some realistic subtly, compared to the over-the-top mustache
twirling evilness he had in the comic.
I just wish they'd had done the same for Michonne.
> She just happens to be right this time.
reason (considering the situation) to be openly hostile towards
him.
They modified (for the better) the Governor's character but they
left Michonne as the same brooding super hero ninja gal (who
can magically sense the Governor is evil) she was in the comics,
and it don't mesh well with the other characters.
She's far too "comic bookish" compared to everyone else, who
are just regular people caught up in a unique situation.
> I am sure Andrea will be devastated by Shane's death
it, as they wasted the opportunity in S2 to really build a connection
between Andrea and Shane, beside them get'n it on that one time.
> and probably will be a little more shocked at Rick's "new found"
> ruthlessness
pretty ruthless herself and after all she's been thru the past winter,
(and will likely go thru in Woodbury…) she ought to be cool with
the Ricktatorship.
> > What's up with the tea?
>
> It is a in joke reference to someone behind the scenes on the show.
I ain't buying it, I think it's misdirection on the part of the
producers.
> > I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula
>
> If you are right I just hope the brewing process doesn't include
> steeping the drink with zombie heads like a larva in mezcal :-)
I'll bet it does involve zombie parts in some way.
> steeping the drink with zombie heads like a larva in mezcal :-)
> > I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job
> > men?
>
> Because they will oppose his power
Like I said, I realize the character of the Governor is nut-job but
> Because they will oppose his power
from a real world perspective, incorporating the Guardsmen
would be of great benefit to the community.
> > And trained and battle tested soldiers will come in handy
> > if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S.
>
>
> I don't think he wants to take over the US right now
Not with 70-some people of course, but he did make a speech
about taking back civilization from the zombies and his people
have been thoroughly scrounging the local area and eliminating
zombies when practical.
At least he has a plan beyond just hiding from zombies.
Again, I like the changes AMC made to the Governor character,
as I don't remember the comic character being interested in any
thing more then being a purely local evil despot.
> > Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the
> > comic it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
>
> I disagree that he was "obviously" insanely evil otherwise you
> are making the same assumption that you thought Michonne
> was doing.
Murdering the Guardsmen and the "Wall of Heads" shows the
> are making the same assumption that you thought Michonne
> was doing.
viewers that he's more then just a ruthless guy, (compared to
Rick's actions) he's obviously crazy.
In the comic, this was clear from the start (in addition to other
elements that may/may not be included in the show) but the
TV show had to do something to show that to the viewers.
My gripe was Michonne immediately tuning in on this, when
he did nothing to lead her to that conclusion.
Hunter
Oct 31, 2012, 2:26:15 PM10/31/12
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak
<esta...@att.net> wrote:
>> cloud dreamer
>> > Ed Stasiak
>> >
>> > Sure, that's an issue but no more then the threat posed
>> > by his current civilian gunmen
>>
>> As noted on Talking Dead
>
>I don't watch that. But I still contend that the advantage
>of recruiting the Guardsmen outweighs the risk.
------
<esta...@att.net> wrote:
>> cloud dreamer
>> > Ed Stasiak
>> >
>> > Sure, that's an issue but no more then the threat posed
>> > by his current civilian gunmen
>>
>> As noted on Talking Dead
>
>I don't watch that. But I still contend that the advantage
>of recruiting the Guardsmen outweighs the risk.
Not if you want to run a dictatorship. And soldiers while they follow
orders of a recognized chain of command, they are not atomotons. They
will not just follow the The Governer, especially if they find out
what kind of man he is. They were their own group with their own
loyaty to each other and their Lt., so they had to go, leat they be a
possible threat to The Govorner's authority.
>
>> not showing the acres of crops necessary to keep that many
>> people alive. A couple of raised beds aren't cutting it. I can
>> imagine those fields out there somewhere.
>
>Can't do any farming when there's zombie hordes wandering
>the countryside, thus the Governors people have been looting
>everything for miles around for the last 8-9 months since the
>zombiepocalypse went down.
------
>> not showing the acres of crops necessary to keep that many
>> people alive. A couple of raised beds aren't cutting it. I can
>> imagine those fields out there somewhere.
>
>Can't do any farming when there's zombie hordes wandering
>the countryside, thus the Governors people have been looting
>everything for miles around for the last 8-9 months since the
>zombiepocalypse went down.
I think that was cloud's point. A valid one but we should wait a few
episodes until we see more of the town.
Captain Infinity
Oct 31, 2012, 3:32:12 PM10/31/12
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Once Upon A Time,
gunpoint, tie her up and toss her in a truck blindfolded. What better way to
say "Welcome to the Village"?
**
Captain Infinity
Ed Stasiak wrote:
>I can understand being cautious but the Governor gave her no
>reason (considering the situation) to be openly hostile towards
>him.
I agree, she whould be thanking him for having his guys kidnap her at
>I can understand being cautious but the Governor gave her no
>reason (considering the situation) to be openly hostile towards
>him.
gunpoint, tie her up and toss her in a truck blindfolded. What better way to
say "Welcome to the Village"?
**
Captain Infinity
Ed Stasiak
Oct 31, 2012, 7:54:22 PM10/31/12
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> Captain Infinity
> > Ed Stasiak
zombiepocalypse) they can't just let anybody know
the location of their compound (or even that there's
a compound in the area) and stroll around with
weapons.
And while kidnapping Andrea and Michonne may
seem a bit harsh, they also need info on what's going
on outside of Woodbury and the Governor did offer to
let them leave the next morning, even offering them
food and ammo.
Of course _we_ know the Governor is crazyevil but the
characters don't know that and after all they've been thru,
cautiously grateful would have been more realistic then
silently hostile.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > I can understand being cautious but the Governor gave
> > her no reason (considering the situation) to be openly
> > hostile towards him.
>
> I agree, she whould be thanking him for having his guys
> kidnap her at gunpoint, tie her up and toss her in a truck
> blindfolded. What better way to say "Welcome to the
> Village"?
Considering the situation (they're in the midst of the
> > I can understand being cautious but the Governor gave
> > her no reason (considering the situation) to be openly
> > hostile towards him.
>
> I agree, she whould be thanking him for having his guys
> kidnap her at gunpoint, tie her up and toss her in a truck
> blindfolded. What better way to say "Welcome to the
> Village"?
zombiepocalypse) they can't just let anybody know
the location of their compound (or even that there's
a compound in the area) and stroll around with
weapons.
And while kidnapping Andrea and Michonne may
seem a bit harsh, they also need info on what's going
on outside of Woodbury and the Governor did offer to
let them leave the next morning, even offering them
food and ammo.
Of course _we_ know the Governor is crazyevil but the
characters don't know that and after all they've been thru,
cautiously grateful would have been more realistic then
silently hostile.
Captain Infinity
Oct 31, 2012, 9:40:31 PM10/31/12
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Once Upon A Time,
Ed Stasiak wrote:
Ed Stasiak wrote:
chopper guy). Yes, the governor told them later that he turned, but they
knew he hadn't been bit, and there's no reason for them to accept his
"everybody turns" explanation, they've seen no evidence of that. Then
they're kidnapped, stripped of their possessions and treated like prisoners,
with lip-service that they'll be let go "tomorrow". Considering the
situation, where no one trusts anyone, how could they possibly trust him?
**
Captain Infinity
Hunter
Nov 1, 2012, 2:31:36 AM11/1/12
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 00:19:36 GMT, que...@infionline.net (Harold
Groot) wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak
><esta...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>> Lord Vader III
>>> > Ed Stasiak
>>> >
>>> My guess is that he didn't think they would acknowledge
>>> his authority and cause problems for him in the long run.
>>
>If he actually was Governor of the state, he might have called out the
>National Guard near the beginning - and then as things deteriorated,
>he wound up issuing orders that revealed just how much of a maniac he
>really was. Much of the general population might not be aware of
>those orders, but it's quite possible that some surviving National
>Guard units might. So he can't take a chance on that.
-----
Nope, he is just a megalomaniac. Why wouldn't he tell anyone his real
name if he was once a bonifide governor of Georgia, presumably?
>
>That doesn't really explain why the helicopter survivor was willing to
>tell him where the others were - but he could have been desperate
>enough to think "Hey, by this time we've all GOT to stick together.
>By now surely even the Governor recognizes this."
----
He just thought he was lucking to be found and rescued by civilized
people instead of waking up to having his face eaten off.
>
>Of course, the Governor would certainly have been willing to use
>torture had it be needed - but as presented, he didn't have to.
------
Agreed.
>
>The offer to let them walk away, with their weapons left outside the
>gate - Michonne seems to realize that that way is certain death, even
>if she can't point a finger at exactly why she feels that way. But
>with all the people that went out to slaughter the National Guardsmen,
>it would seem impossible that what they're doing is being kept a
>secret from everyone in the town. Secrets get out.
------
I think if they wanted to leave they were free to. After all he can
kill them anytime he wants to. Who is going to say otherwise? The men
under his command who is willing to kill American troops? Yes they
were seen around town but it could be said that they left during the
night or better first thing in the morning or something.
Groot) wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak
><esta...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>> Lord Vader III
>>> > Ed Stasiak
>>> >
>>> My guess is that he didn't think they would acknowledge
>>> his authority and cause problems for him in the long run.
>>
>>Sure, that's an issue but no more then the threat posed by
>>his current civilian gunmen and I'd suggest military types
>>(even Nat.Guardsmen) would be more apt to follow orders
>>then a civilian.
>
>Just a wild guess -
>>(even Nat.Guardsmen) would be more apt to follow orders
>>then a civilian.
>
>If he actually was Governor of the state, he might have called out the
>National Guard near the beginning - and then as things deteriorated,
>he wound up issuing orders that revealed just how much of a maniac he
>really was. Much of the general population might not be aware of
>those orders, but it's quite possible that some surviving National
>Guard units might. So he can't take a chance on that.
-----
Nope, he is just a megalomaniac. Why wouldn't he tell anyone his real
name if he was once a bonifide governor of Georgia, presumably?
>
>That doesn't really explain why the helicopter survivor was willing to
>tell him where the others were - but he could have been desperate
>enough to think "Hey, by this time we've all GOT to stick together.
>By now surely even the Governor recognizes this."
----
He just thought he was lucking to be found and rescued by civilized
people instead of waking up to having his face eaten off.
>
>Of course, the Governor would certainly have been willing to use
>torture had it be needed - but as presented, he didn't have to.
------
Agreed.
>
>The offer to let them walk away, with their weapons left outside the
>gate - Michonne seems to realize that that way is certain death, even
>if she can't point a finger at exactly why she feels that way. But
>with all the people that went out to slaughter the National Guardsmen,
>it would seem impossible that what they're doing is being kept a
>secret from everyone in the town. Secrets get out.
------
I think if they wanted to leave they were free to. After all he can
kill them anytime he wants to. Who is going to say otherwise? The men
under his command who is willing to kill American troops? Yes they
were seen around town but it could be said that they left during the
night or better first thing in the morning or something.
Hunter
Nov 1, 2012, 7:06:24 AM11/1/12
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In the "Battlestar Galactica" reboot series after the Cylons took over
Caprica the few remaining surviving females were hooked up to
fertilization machines.
They never showed it but I thought if they captured the remaining men
and kept them alive they would be hooked up to similar machines
similar to a milking machine like a cow. In other words they wouldn't
be given the chance to fall in love with a Cylon like Helo did. :-)
BTR1701
Nov 1, 2012, 10:25:19 AM11/1/12
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In article <50921745...@news.optonline.net>,
> >The offer to let them walk away, with their weapons left outside the
> >gate - Michonne seems to realize that that way is certain death, even
> >if she can't point a finger at exactly why she feels that way. But
> >with all the people that went out to slaughter the National Guardsmen,
> >it would seem impossible that what they're doing is being kept a
> >secret from everyone in the town. Secrets get out.
> ------
> I think if they wanted to leave they were free to.
No, if they'd taken him up on his offer, they'd have made it ten steps
down the road before being shot through the head. Or maybe not the head,
if the Governor is holding his zombie gladiator games, like in the
comic. He might use them as zombie combatants.
Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> (Hunter) wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 00:19:36 GMT, que...@infionline.net (Harold
> Groot) wrote:
> >Just a wild guess -
> >If he actually was Governor of the state, he might have called out the
> >National Guard near the beginning - and then as things deteriorated,
> >he wound up issuing orders that revealed just how much of a maniac he
> >really was. Much of the general population might not be aware of
> >those orders, but it's quite possible that some surviving National
> >Guard units might. So he can't take a chance on that.
> -----
> Nope, he is just a megalomaniac. Why wouldn't he tell anyone his real
> name if he was once a bonifide governor of Georgia, presumably?
Why wouldn't anyone *recognize* him if he was the governor of Georgia?
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 00:19:36 GMT, que...@infionline.net (Harold
> Groot) wrote:
> >Just a wild guess -
> >If he actually was Governor of the state, he might have called out the
> >National Guard near the beginning - and then as things deteriorated,
> >he wound up issuing orders that revealed just how much of a maniac he
> >really was. Much of the general population might not be aware of
> >those orders, but it's quite possible that some surviving National
> >Guard units might. So he can't take a chance on that.
> -----
> Nope, he is just a megalomaniac. Why wouldn't he tell anyone his real
> name if he was once a bonifide governor of Georgia, presumably?
> >The offer to let them walk away, with their weapons left outside the
> >gate - Michonne seems to realize that that way is certain death, even
> >if she can't point a finger at exactly why she feels that way. But
> >with all the people that went out to slaughter the National Guardsmen,
> >it would seem impossible that what they're doing is being kept a
> >secret from everyone in the town. Secrets get out.
> ------
> I think if they wanted to leave they were free to.
down the road before being shot through the head. Or maybe not the head,
if the Governor is holding his zombie gladiator games, like in the
comic. He might use them as zombie combatants.
Ed Stasiak
Nov 1, 2012, 11:12:27 AM11/1/12
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> Captain Infinity
> Yes, the governor told them later that he turned, but they knew
> he hadn't been bit, and there's no reason for them to accept his
> "everybody turns" explanation, they've seen no evidence of that.
Which they could have have confirmed with some of the 70+
people (including women and children) strolling around town.
> Then they're kidnapped, stripped of their possessions and treated
> like prisoners,
Again, necessary precautions considering the situation.
> with lip-service that they'll be let go "tomorrow".
We as viewers know it was just "lip-service" but the characters
don't, they saw women and children openly strolling around a
safely fortified town (after Andrea had gotten medical treatment)
and had no reason to no believe the Governor wouldn't have let
them go free.
> Considering the situation, where no one trusts anyone, how could
> they possibly trust him?
My only issue was how Michonne was portrayed; angrily scowling
and aggressively demanding their weapons because she had used
her Jedi mind-reading powers to sense the inherent evilness of the
Governor, was just a bit too much.
>
> I disagree. They watched those guys ecstatically kill a human
> being (the chopper guy).
Who Michonne saw was cut in half and was clearly already dead.
> I disagree. They watched those guys ecstatically kill a human
> being (the chopper guy).
> Yes, the governor told them later that he turned, but they knew
> he hadn't been bit, and there's no reason for them to accept his
> "everybody turns" explanation, they've seen no evidence of that.
people (including women and children) strolling around town.
> Then they're kidnapped, stripped of their possessions and treated
> like prisoners,
> with lip-service that they'll be let go "tomorrow".
don't, they saw women and children openly strolling around a
safely fortified town (after Andrea had gotten medical treatment)
and had no reason to no believe the Governor wouldn't have let
them go free.
> Considering the situation, where no one trusts anyone, how could
> they possibly trust him?
and aggressively demanding their weapons because she had used
her Jedi mind-reading powers to sense the inherent evilness of the
Governor, was just a bit too much.
shawn
Nov 1, 2012, 12:02:46 PM11/1/12
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net>
wrote:
>> Captain Infinity
>>
>> I disagree. They watched those guys ecstatically kill a human
>> being (the chopper guy).
>
>Who Michonne saw was cut in half and was clearly already dead.
>
>> Yes, the governor told them later that he turned, but they knew
>> he hadn't been bit, and there's no reason for them to accept his
>> "everybody turns" explanation, they've seen no evidence of that.
>
>Which they could have have confirmed with some of the 70+
>people (including women and children) strolling around town.
I don't know that those people have any idea what's going on. Consider
that Rick's group didn't realize the truth until he told them.
and Michone had been asked to come to Woodbury but that isn't what
happened.
as a trusted person and she knows just what kind of person he is. Plus
they made sure to blind fold them before taking them into Woodbury
which rasises questions. Sure, there may be good reasons for the
Governor's actions but it's reasonable to be wary at this point.
and has learned to depend on herself. So she's feels a bit defenseless
without her weapons. It's a reasonable feeling for anyone that's
survived about a year in this new world.
wrote:
>> Captain Infinity
>>
>> I disagree. They watched those guys ecstatically kill a human
>> being (the chopper guy).
>
>Who Michonne saw was cut in half and was clearly already dead.
>
>> Yes, the governor told them later that he turned, but they knew
>> he hadn't been bit, and there's no reason for them to accept his
>> "everybody turns" explanation, they've seen no evidence of that.
>
>Which they could have have confirmed with some of the 70+
>people (including women and children) strolling around town.
that Rick's group didn't realize the truth until he told them.
>> Then they're kidnapped, stripped of their possessions and treated
>> like prisoners,
>
>Again, necessary precautions considering the situation.
Not really since they were kidnapped. It would be different if Andrea
>> like prisoners,
>
>Again, necessary precautions considering the situation.
and Michone had been asked to come to Woodbury but that isn't what
happened.
>> with lip-service that they'll be let go "tomorrow".
>
>We as viewers know it was just "lip-service" but the characters
>don't, they saw women and children openly strolling around a
>safely fortified town (after Andrea had gotten medical treatment)
>and had no reason to no believe the Governor wouldn't have let
>them go free.
I think there's reason to be unsure of them given that Merle is there
>
>We as viewers know it was just "lip-service" but the characters
>don't, they saw women and children openly strolling around a
>safely fortified town (after Andrea had gotten medical treatment)
>and had no reason to no believe the Governor wouldn't have let
>them go free.
as a trusted person and she knows just what kind of person he is. Plus
they made sure to blind fold them before taking them into Woodbury
which rasises questions. Sure, there may be good reasons for the
Governor's actions but it's reasonable to be wary at this point.
>
>> Considering the situation, where no one trusts anyone, how could
>> they possibly trust him?
>
>My only issue was how Michonne was portrayed; angrily scowling
>and aggressively demanding their weapons because she had used
>her Jedi mind-reading powers to sense the inherent evilness of the
>Governor, was just a bit too much.
I think it's more that she knows just how quickly things can go south
>> Considering the situation, where no one trusts anyone, how could
>> they possibly trust him?
>
>My only issue was how Michonne was portrayed; angrily scowling
>and aggressively demanding their weapons because she had used
>her Jedi mind-reading powers to sense the inherent evilness of the
>Governor, was just a bit too much.
and has learned to depend on herself. So she's feels a bit defenseless
without her weapons. It's a reasonable feeling for anyone that's
survived about a year in this new world.
Hunter
Nov 1, 2012, 2:29:58 PM11/1/12
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:38:06 -0700 (PDT), SoHillsGuy
<jerr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On the blooper front, those certainly look like routine jet streak-clouds across the sky when the helicopter was losing control in the opening minutes...
----
I don't think they were contrals. there was three of them two bright
ones on top and a third dim one toward the bottom (just above the "The
Walking Dead" hash adress) as seen in the image below and they were
too thin:
http://tinyurl.com/8fh9gft
I don't know what they are but I seriously doubt they were contrals.
<jerr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On the blooper front, those certainly look like routine jet streak-clouds across the sky when the helicopter was losing control in the opening minutes...
----
I don't think they were contrals. there was three of them two bright
ones on top and a third dim one toward the bottom (just above the "The
Walking Dead" hash adress) as seen in the image below and they were
too thin:
http://tinyurl.com/8fh9gft
I don't know what they are but I seriously doubt they were contrals.
BTR1701
Nov 1, 2012, 1:45:14 PM11/1/12
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Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:38:06 -0700 (PDT), SoHillsGuy
> <jerr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On the blooper front, those certainly look like routine jet
>> streak-clouds across the sky when the helicopter was losing control in
>> the opening minutes...
> ----
> I don't think they were contrals.
Of course you don't. Big surprise.
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:38:06 -0700 (PDT), SoHillsGuy
> <jerr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On the blooper front, those certainly look like routine jet
>> streak-clouds across the sky when the helicopter was losing control in
>> the opening minutes...
> ----
> I don't think they were contrals.
You don't know what they are, but you're certain they can't be anything
which would indicate a mistake on the part of the production.
Hunter
Nov 1, 2012, 6:12:15 PM11/1/12
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Yes, but they were "alive"-in the zombie fashion that is. If you watch
the scene again you will notice that their eyes and mouths moved..
Hunter
Nov 1, 2012, 10:08:42 PM11/1/12
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 04:49:49 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:
>In article <k6n8tk$bn7$1...@dont-email.me>, l...@winsim.com wrote:
>>On 10/29/2012 4:39 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>
Yes they were and the one that looks familiar to all of us was the
Army Lt. who flew the Huey, in addition to Michoone's pets and I think
his family was there.
wrote:
>In article <k6n8tk$bn7$1...@dont-email.me>, l...@winsim.com wrote:
>>On 10/29/2012 4:39 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>
>>> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
>>> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
>>>
>>> There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd
>>> gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle
>>> tested soldiers (who are used to taking orders) will come in handy
>>> There were only 6-8 of them left (no officers) and I'd guess they'd
>>> gladly join the community of Woodbury. And trained and battle
>>> if the Governor is looking to take over the U.S.
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems like AMC wanted to show how evil he is, as in the comic
>>> it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
>>
>>> it was obvious from the start he was insanely evil.
>>
>>You forgot about the ultra creepy zombie heads in
>>the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
>
>Those didn't appear to be zombie heads... and one looked familiar.
----
>>the aquariums in the Governor's secret lair.
>
>Those didn't appear to be zombie heads... and one looked familiar.
Yes they were and the one that looks familiar to all of us was the
Army Lt. who flew the Huey, in addition to Michoone's pets and I think
his family was there.
Harold Groot
Nov 1, 2012, 10:06:55 PM11/1/12
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 07:25:19 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>In article <50921745...@news.optonline.net>,
> Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> (Hunter) wrote:
>> Nope, he is just a megalomaniac. Why wouldn't he tell anyone his real
>> name if he was once a bonifide governor of Georgia, presumably?
>Why wouldn't anyone *recognize* him if he was the governor of Georgia?
<shrug> If he had been Governor back when things were fine, then of
>In article <50921745...@news.optonline.net>,
> Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> (Hunter) wrote:
>> Nope, he is just a megalomaniac. Why wouldn't he tell anyone his real
>> name if he was once a bonifide governor of Georgia, presumably?
>Why wouldn't anyone *recognize* him if he was the governor of Georgia?
course a lot of people would recognize him. BUT - if we had lost that
Governor, and then perhaps a few more as society disintegrated, the
chance of the successor to the successor to the successor... being
recognized gets smaller each time. Sure, they'd still have been State
Officials back when things were fine - but many fewer would be
expected to recognize them.
I've got no idea about the line of succession in GA - presumably a Lt.
Governor, but whether it would then go to the state legislature and
then state cabinet officials (similar to the Federal Gov't. system), I
can't really say. A little research would bring it up, sure, but that
wouldn't change the general idea. The (former) head of the GA Dept. of
Agriculture, say, would not be nearly as recognizable as the (former)
Governor.
So while my Wild Guess turned out to be wrong, I hope that it doesn't
seem QUITE so improbable under this scenario.
~consul
Nov 2, 2012, 10:55:30 AM11/2/12
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'tis on this 10/29/2012 6:39 PM, wrote cloud dreamer thus to say:
> Now, if people want to whine about something, why not rag on them for not showing the acres of crops necessary to keep that many people alive. A couple of raised beds aren't cutting it.
> Not that I care. I can imagine those fields out there somewhere.
> But if people wanna nitpick...nitpick.
I'd like to put them on the roof tops of the buildings, most of them are short, they'll get plenty of sunshine and insulation, and they can be worked on without fear of attack from the walkers.
> Now, if people want to whine about something, why not rag on them for not showing the acres of crops necessary to keep that many people alive. A couple of raised beds aren't cutting it.
> Not that I care. I can imagine those fields out there somewhere.
> But if people wanna nitpick...nitpick.
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
Ed Stasiak
Nov 2, 2012, 11:08:40 AM11/2/12
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> ~consul
building into a giant greenhouse, planting crops in bathtubs, buckets,
kiddie pools and such on each floor, using a hydroponic system for
watering.
>
> I'd like to put them on the roof tops of the buildings, most of them
> are short, they'll get plenty of sunshine and insulation, and they
> can be worked on without fear of attack from the walkers.
Given enough time and manpower, one could convert a multi-story
> I'd like to put them on the roof tops of the buildings, most of them
> are short, they'll get plenty of sunshine and insulation, and they
> can be worked on without fear of attack from the walkers.
building into a giant greenhouse, planting crops in bathtubs, buckets,
kiddie pools and such on each floor, using a hydroponic system for
watering.
~consul
Nov 2, 2012, 11:15:41 AM11/2/12
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'tis on this 10/30/2012 11:51 AM, wrote Ed Stasiak thus to say:
>> anim8rFSK
>> BTR1701
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>> because if that's all it really is, that's stupid.
>> Why would you not buy that they'd do something stupid?
>> Yep. I really think that's all it is.
> In addition to the zombie research laboratory the Nerdy
> Scientist has set-up, the title of the episode is "Tea Time",
> leading me to believe it's more then just a stupid shout
> out to some nobody crew member.
One of the writers, perhaps even this writer. If it is their episode, they can call it whatever they want that seems appropriate. It could also be that Tea is a not a regular meal-time, so it's like this is not a regular episode, something in between the main bites. A break. Or that something is "brewing" in the series/episode/town. Or the heads steeping in the fish tanks.
> Until something else is said, (or they drop the reference)
> I'm sticking with the anti-zombie bite serum theory.
aAnd it could be this as well, makes sense for the long term story-line.
>> anim8rFSK
>> BTR1701
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>> because if that's all it really is, that's stupid.
>> Why would you not buy that they'd do something stupid?
>> Yep. I really think that's all it is.
> In addition to the zombie research laboratory the Nerdy
> Scientist has set-up, the title of the episode is "Tea Time",
> leading me to believe it's more then just a stupid shout
> out to some nobody crew member.
One of the writers, perhaps even this writer. If it is their episode, they can call it whatever they want that seems appropriate. It could also be that Tea is a not a regular meal-time, so it's like this is not a regular episode, something in between the main bites. A break. Or that something is "brewing" in the series/episode/town. Or the heads steeping in the fish tanks.
> Until something else is said, (or they drop the reference)
> I'm sticking with the anti-zombie bite serum theory.
aAnd it could be this as well, makes sense for the long term story-line.
Hunter
Nov 5, 2012, 3:33:58 AM11/5/12
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:41:34 -0400, "Bob(but not THAT Bob)"
<nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>
>> Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
>> paced and focuses exclusively on Andrea and Michonne
<nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>
>> Three pretty good episodes in a row, thou this one is slower
>> encountering the Governor for the first time.
>>
>>
>> Don't care for Michonne at all, her alternating from silence to
>> demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
>> her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
>> despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
>>
>> What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
>> the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
>> close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
>>
>> I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
>> he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
>> (as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
>>
>> demanding her weapons was boring and annoying, as was
>> her ability to magically sense the "Dark Side" of the Governor,
>> despite him doing nothing to deserve it (considering the situation).
>>
>> What's up with the tea? The comic makes no mention of it but
>> the show repeatedly made reference to the tea, in addition to
>> close-ups of the tea pot, so there must be something to it?
>>
>> I'm guessing Nerdy Scientist Guy cooked up some formula that
>> he believes protects humans from the poisonous zombie bites
>> (as opposed to the zombie virus that everybody already has).
>>
>> I understand that the Governor is a megalomaniacal nut-job and
>> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
>
>Unlike Ranger Rick, he's a man who does what needs to be done.
>> doesn't want to risk a coup, but why kill the Nat. Guardsmen?
>
-----
The Governor is a murder. If you haven't noticed in the preveious two
episodes there is a new Rick who is quicker to kill, but yes he
wouldn't have killed the soldiers because he isn't a killer who will
kill even when unprovoked.
>
>He's got a nice thing going here - why risk anything, including the babe
>in his bed - you know how they like a "man in uniform".
-----
His not the first time a dictator has had a bevy of concubines. Hell
it is coming out the Quadaffi, the dead dictator of Lybia, had tons of
women.
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