The Best TV Shows That Never Were
Ablang
This show seemed to cover shows that were proposed during the 70s & 80s. They
would've seemed even more ridiculous during the 90s and the new millenium. But
some did seem to have high geek appeal.
Which of the shows featured interested you? Which was the absolute dumbest?
The shows I wanted to see run were:
Condor - in 1999, a female robot interested in sex
Infiltration - Scott Bakula is a 1/2 man, 1/2 robot
Red Dwarf - Craig Bierko (human) & Jane Leeves (computer) 3 million years in
space
Just Deserts - a womanizer becomes a woman
Super Heroes
Daredevil
Generation X - mutant teams that seem like the X-Men, but was actually modeled
after another Marvel comic.
I-Man - a superhero that heals really fast
The Mighty Thor
Chameleon - genetically engineered superbabe
Bermuda Triangle - a "Gilligan" clone that discovers a shipwrecked tribe
Assignment Earth - a Star Trek spinoff of a human raised by aliens sent to save
Earth.
The Ultimate Impostor - a spy gets captured and brainwashed.
Just Good Friends - 1 girl & 2 guys living together and having 'wacky
adventures'.
The Prosecutor - Stockard Channing as a wheelchair lawyer.
==
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the zero adjustment on his bathroom scale." -- Arthur C. Clarke
Anthony Cerrato
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I caught the second half of the show, and was sorry I missed
the first half. I thought just about every show mentioned
was pretty good-I'd watch 'em anyway! The one that intrigued
me most though was "The People," which apparently was a take
on Zenna Henderson's classic series of stories and books
(e.g., Pilgrimage the First Book of the People, People No
Different Flesh etc. etc.) where "...humanoid [alien]
refugees have landed in 19th-century
America after the destruction of their own planet. Their
abilities?telepathy, levitation and other apparently magic
talents."
This was a well-known collection of very touching and human
stories and well-worth adapting to TV--and the adaptation
shown also was supposed to star WILLIAM SHATNER...how great
would this have been, huh?! They could resurrect this show
today and it would be a grand hit! ...tonyC
Al 2048
>
>This show seemed to cover shows that were proposed during the 70s & 80s.
I forgot to tape it.
Will this show be rerun anytime soon?
Regards,
Alex K.
Junkyard Badger
craptastic pilots because Clooney and Perry didn't want people to know how
many crap tv pilots they did
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Myrnag2555
>work with the right cast and writing since it is just a spin on
>"Three's Company
Assuming that the characters from "Three's
Company" investigated crimes.
Michael Walker
jayembee
>I forgot to tape it.
>
>Will this show be rerun anytime soon?
Probably not. There was a similar show done about 10 years ago, and to
my knowledge, that has never been repeated in the time since. So I'm
not inclined to believe that this one will, either.
-- jayembee
David
Strangely ABC missed the chance to do that as a Saturday morning
cartoon. It would've fit well between Fonzie's time-travels and
Laverne and Shirley in the army.
Linda M. Young
> This show seemed to cover shows that were proposed during the 70s & 80s. They
> would've seemed even more ridiculous during the 90s and the new millenium.
The really scary thing was that sometimes it was hard to tell the difference
between the idiocy of the failed pilots and the new fall shows being
advertised during the commercial breaks.
Linda
Chris
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David Johnson
remember sitting all the way through "Ethel Is An Elephant" and "A Dog's
Life" (a line from the latter's theme song went "Remember "dog" spelled
backwards is G-o-d", followed by bells ringing and the cast looking
heavenward).
My philosophy regarding most of these pilots that got on the air as
"specials" or as TV-Movies (especially the ones where three or four
sitcom pilots were bunched together) was that I'd better see them that
one night since they won't likely be on again. But as rejected comedy
pilots became more and more common as summer fill-ins, I soon discovered
that watching many of these resulted in a LOT of wasted viewing time, so
it was cause for celebration when the practice was all but abandoned
later.
But there is one unsold pilot I'd love the chance to see if the film
still exists. In 1967 just before the fall season started, NBC ran off
a B/W pilot called either "Ghostbreakers" or "Ghostbusters" (obviously
this had nothing to do with the kid's shows or movies of the same name
which weren't even concived yet) with Diana Van Der Vlis and several
others in the cast. It was produced by the same folks responsible for
"The Man Fron UNCLE".
--David Johnson
Phil Brown
>The really scary thing was that sometimes it was hard to tell the difference
>
>between the idiocy of the failed pilots and the new fall shows being
>advertised during the commercial breaks.
"Nobody knows anything"-William Goldman
Phil Brown
Patrick Joseph Mc Namara
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>
> This show seemed to cover shows that were proposed during the 70s & 80s.
> They
> would've seemed even more ridiculous during the 90s and the new millenium.
> But
> some did seem to have high geek appeal.
>
> Which of the shows featured interested you? Which was the absolute
> dumbest?
>
> The shows I wanted to see run were:
> Red Dwarf - Craig Bierko (human) & Jane Leeves (computer) 3 million years
> in
> space
I knew this one failed when they tried it a few years ago but I didn't
realize they had got to the point of actually fiming a pilot.
I didn't like how the commentator critizised the concept. It had already
been running as a successful UK series. I would like to see how the US
version compared, although there's little interest amongst US producers for
sci-fi sitcoms.
> Generation X - mutant teams that seem like the X-Men, but was actually
> modeled
> after another Marvel comic.
This one ran as a TV movie a few years ago (I believe on FOX) and I think
occasionally appears on TV. You might find it for rent. Not nearly as
interesting as X-Men.
I also recall seeing a few others, such as the Bates Motel pilot as a movie.
> Bermuda Triangle - a "Gilligan" clone that discovers a shipwrecked tribe
I saw this as a TV movie. It was fairly dull and not nearly as interesting
as The Fantastic Journey (a Bermuda Triangle series that lasted less than a
season). In fact I think most of these shows were more interesting in
concept than in actual appearance.
> Assignment Earth - a Star Trek spinoff of a human raised by aliens sent to
> save
> Earth.
One of the best known failed pilots because it runs as part of ST.
I'll have to check it again, but I seem to recall seeing a 2001 copyright on
the special which means that either the network has been keeping this thing
on the shelf for a few years or it ran before and noone noticed. It may have
been planned to run shortly after 9-11 (and I seem to recall seeing it
listed).
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"Chris" <chrissi...@netzero.com> wrote:
> How about John Denver as a tough FBI agent who breaks into song.
That might have been my favorite case of irony, as this is basically
what Chuck Norris did with "Walker Texas Ranger".
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LeeGoldbrg
>my knowledge, that has never been repeated in the time since. So I'm
>not inclined to believe that this one will, either.
>
That was "The Greatest Shows You Never Saw" and has rerun about 1000 times on
Trio... I know, because I produced that show as well as the one on last night
(sadly, there are no plans at this moment to rerun it as far as I know).
Lee Goldberg
LeeGoldbrg
>Daredevil and The Mighty Thor had first appeared on The Incredible
>Hulk.
Actually, they were proposed spin-offs from the two-hour tv movie revivals of
The Incredible Hulk which were, in themselves, unsold pilots. But you're right,
we didn't mention that... too complicated and arcane for your average viewer.
Oro
have been nice. I guess that British accent ruined its chances of airing.
Ian J. Ball
leego...@aol.com (LeeGoldbrg) wrote:
> There were actually THREE unaired Red Dwarf pilots...
I think some of the scripts of those are out there floating around.
> And yep, the special has been on ABC's shelf for two years (I don't understand
> the 2001 copyright...maybe that reflects when our contracts were signed?).
How's "Missing" working out for you guys? Love Caterina Scorsone. :)
Ian (P.S. Consensus seems to be you were too hard on some of the shows,
like "The Questor Tapes". And I thought the Joel Gray show looked like a
hoot!)
Moviezzz
>Trio... I know, because I produced that show as well as the one on last night
>(sadly, there are no plans at this moment to rerun it as far as I know).
Great job!! I loved the show last night (and the previous one).
My only question, why was there no mention that the DARE DEVIL pilot was based
on the same comic that the Ben Affleck movie was based on? The film was just
as silly as the pilot looked.
The big problem with the show though, I wanted to see MORE of a lot of those
shows. Some didn't look too bad, especially the Marilu Henner / Ron Howard
one. That might have worked. Sort of SCTV meets UHF.
David
<ijball***SPAM-No***@mac.com.invalid> wrote:
>Ian (P.S. Consensus seems to be you were too hard on some of the shows,
>like "The Questor Tapes". And I thought the Joel Gray show looked like a
>hoot!)
I get the feeling there was a lot of trick editing done to so that the
shows would look worse than they actually were and the special could
be funnier (not that there was a shortage of real stinkers to
showcase).
Rick Ramey, Celestial Engineer
I remember seeing Questor and it wasn't *that* bad. It could have been
something.
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jayembee
>But there is one unsold pilot I'd love the chance to see if the film
>still exists. In 1967 just before the fall season started, NBC ran off
>a B/W pilot called either "Ghostbreakers" or "Ghostbusters" (obviously
>this had nothing to do with the kid's shows or movies of the same name
>which weren't even concived yet) with Diana Van Der Vlis and several
>others in the cast. It was produced by the same folks responsible for
>"The Man Fron UNCLE".
God help me. I thought I was the only one who fondly remembers this
unsold pilot. And it was GHOSTBREAKERS.
Another unsold pilot from near the same time was a half-hour sitcom
called SHERIFF WHO? starring John Astin as Evil Roy Slade. The
premise of the show was that ERS would be a continuing "boss" of
the town, and each week a different unsuspecting passer through
would be shanghaied into being sheriff to bring ERS to justice. In
the pilot, it was Dick Shawn.
I thought it was hysterically funny, but apparently the network execs
didn't think so. Astin played Evil Roy Slade again in an eponymously
titled TV movie that served as another unsold pilot. Everyone
remembers that movie, but I've never met more than a couple of
other people who saw the SW? pilot.
-- jayembee
jayembee
>> Probably not. There was a similar show done about 10 years ago, and to
>> my knowledge, that has never been repeated in the time since. So I'm
>> not inclined to believe that this one will, either.
>
> That was "The Greatest Shows You Never Saw" and has rerun about 1000
> times on Trio...
OK. I meant rerun on the network that originally broadcast it (I
assume it was ABC, but don't remember. I've got that one on tape
somewhere...)
-- jayembee
ANIM8Rfsk
<< They did talk about the Gary 7 show
being a spin off of Star Trek and why it didn't go anywhere (Star Trek
was being canceled at the time.) >>
And like what little else I saw of the show, this wasn't really correct, as
Trek ran another year.
<< They didn't mention that both
Daredevil and The Mighty Thor had first appear >>
Yeah - they made it look like Thor was some free standing show, not a guest
appearance in the worst Hulk movie.
ANIM8Rfsk
<< Ian (P.S. Consensus seems to be you were too hard on some of the shows,
like "The Questor Tapes". >>
They ragged on Questor???? Morons.
ANIM8Rfsk
<< I didn't like how the commentator critizised the concept. >>
The writers seemed way more interested in ridiculing the product and trying to
show how clever they were (and in this, they managed to show just the opposite)
than providing useful or interesting commentary.
LeeGoldbrg
>one.
Acting Sheriff, Assignment Earth, Chameleon, jake's Journey and Channel 99 were
actually not bad at all.
LeeGoldbrg
So do we! And Vivica is amazing to work with. We couldn't be happier.
jayembee
>> They did talk about the Gary 7 show being a spin off of Star Trek and
>> why it didn't go anywhere (Star Trek was being canceled at the time.)
>
> And like what little else I saw of the show, this wasn't really correct, as
>Trek ran another year.
Well, yeah, but remember that STAR TREK was cancelled, then
uncancelled. The decision to not go with A:E could've happened
in between the cancellation and the uncancellation.
-- jayembee
Invid Fan
<ijball***SPAM-No***-E6F106.095...@orngca-news04.socal.rr.com>,
Ian J. Ball <ijball***SPAM-No***@mac.com.invalid> wrote:
> In article <20040817124712...@mb-m28.aol.com>,
> leego...@aol.com (LeeGoldbrg) wrote:
>
> > There were actually THREE unaired Red Dwarf pilots...
>
> I think some of the scripts of those are out there floating around.
>
Hell, the episodes are out there. I only knew of two US versions, and
saw one (which had Kryton from the original version in it, and ended
with clips of FX from the UK series showing all the fun things that
would happen if it was picked up for a series).
--
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Captain Subtext
>Red Dwarf - Craig Bierko (human) & Jane Leeves (computer) 3 million years in
>space
Except the original Red Dwarf was produced by the BBC. It is one of
the funniest shows ever.
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anim...@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) wrote:
That's the difference between doing this on a regular network and the
similar stuff that Trio ran during their Brilliant But Cancelled month.
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Arlington, MA
Tom Cervo
>similar stuff that Trio ran during their Brilliant But Cancelled month.
>
>
Did they ever rerun "The Bakery"?
Once seen, never forgotten.
LeeGoldbrg
>Once seen, never forgotten.
It's truly one of the best unsold pilots I've ever seen. We wanted to use it in
our special... in the Why Didn't They Fly? section... but we didn't have the
time. The pilot, written by Brad Kern & John Wirth, is a brilliant twist on
Hill Street Blues, taking place over three generations at once... the past, the
present, and the near future.
John S.
They also said that "Just Deserts" was misspelled when in fact it wasn't:
http://www.snopes.com/language/notthink/deserts.htm
John S.
Tom Cervo
I can see why it didn't make it. Some execs don't give the audience very much
credit, and the continuity may have been thought too intense for the
underestimated mind of the mythical Joe Sixpack.
John
movi...@aol.comnospam (Moviezzz) writes:
>Great job!! I loved the show last night (and the previous one).
Every review for this show has been great. Which is killing me because I
really wanted to see this and my local ABC affiliate (Buffalo, NY) decided to
run some boring football game instead.
At least Trio will probably pick it up eventually.
John
Invid Fan
Subtext <jeff_mur...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
> On 17 Aug 2004 05:25:00 GMT, rab...@aol.comHD (Ablang) wrote:
>
> >Red Dwarf - Craig Bierko (human) & Jane Leeves (computer) 3 million years in
> >space
>
> Except the original Red Dwarf was produced by the BBC. It is one of
> the funniest shows ever.
Sometimes. In later seasons they could only come up with three or four
good scripts in a six episode season.
William December Starr
"Junkyard Badger" <cryoki...@hotmail.com> said:
> The problem the show had was they couldn't show Clooney and
> Matthew Perry's craptastic pilots because Clooney and Perry
> didn't want people to know how many crap tv pilots they did
And Clooney and Perry own the rights all those those pilots?
(Given their salaries at various times I suppose they might, but
it'd be nice to know as a matter of, well, fact.)
--
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William December Starr
myrna...@aol.com (Myrnag2555) said:
>> missed these last three. It sounds like "Just Good Friends"
>> would work with the right cast and writing since it is just
>> a spin on "Three's Company
>
> Assuming that the characters from "Three's Company"
> investigated crimes.
And wouldn't you know it -- every one they investigated turned
out to just be a big misunderstanding!
William December Starr
bluffs...@webtv.net (David Johnson) said:
> But there is one unsold pilot I'd love the chance to see if the
> film still exists. In 1967 just before the fall season started,
> NBC ran off a B/W pilot called either "Ghostbreakers" or
> "Ghostbusters" (obviously this had nothing to do with the kid's
> shows or movies of the same name which weren't even concived yet)
> with Diana Van Der Vlis and several others in the cast. It was
> produced by the same folks responsible for "The Man Fron UNCLE".
I _may_ remember bits of that. At least I remember some one-shot
thing from around then that opened in an office building late at
night, with a high-level executive who was working late (played by
Orson Bean?) throwing a dart at the oil painting of the firm's late
and hated tyrannical founder, then pulling it out of the painting and
finding a bit of what seemed to be blood on it, and he sees blood
also dripping from the painting where the dart hit it. Then a few
other weird things start happening and the executive flees in terror
right into an elevator that isn't there and falls down the shaft to
his death. (Or, possibly, he flees into an elevator that is there
but then goes into free-fall. Either way, he's dead due to terminal
velocity by the end of the teaser.)
It ended with the ghostbreaker team in the same office, late at
night, with their leader explaining how the whole elaborate "ghost"
hoax had been pulled off as a cover for a series of murders, and then
somebody asks how one of the apparently supernatural events had been
done, and the team leader realizes that the bad guy couldn't possibly
have been responsible for it. At which point the team leader looks
at the big oil portrait on the wall and says to the two other people
in the office with him "Let's get out of here. Four's a crowd."
Is that it?
Billy Goat
> Aired 8/16/04
>
> This show seemed to cover shows that were proposed during the 70s & 80s. They
> would've seemed even more ridiculous during the 90s and the new millenium. But
> some did seem to have high geek appeal.
I was surprised, and somewhat disappointed, by how many of the pilots
chosen were ones that had actually aired. I was hoping for more
obscure stuff. I *saw* "Infiltrator", "Fuzzbucket", "Bates Motel", and
"Generation X".
(BTW, Sci-fi Channel will be showing all 3 "pilots" for "Chameleon"
this coming Sunday morning (August 22) starting at 9AM EST, if
anyone's interested.)
The LAX thing with Ryan Stiles looked funny. As a fan of creature
effects, I thought "Wishman" looked... interesting; would have
appreciated more details. Poochinski was a pretty impressive puppet,
but a bad concept. And I appreciated getting a glimpse of the American
"Red Dwarf" I've heard so much about.
--Billy
ANIM8Rfsk
<< > And like what little else I saw of the show, this wasn't really correct,
as
>Trek ran another year.
Well, yeah, but remember that STAR TREK was cancelled, then
uncancelled. The decision to not go with A:E could've happened
in between the cancellation and the uncancellation. >>
Yeah, but I've never heard this version before. Frankly, as much as I like
Trek TOS, Robert Lansing, and Teri Garr, Assignment Earth just isn't really
very compelling. And I have REALLY fond memories of it - it's what they aired
the night before my Dad got me a tour of Paramount Studios and the Trek sets,
and we ate lunch in the cafeteria at the next table to Robert Lansing, who
glared at me through the whole meal! (Granted, I think his normal relaxed face
sort of just went to a glare all by itself). :-)
Captain Subtext
wrote:
>Sometimes. In later seasons they could only come up with three or four
>good scripts in a six episode season.
American comedy with the exception of Seinfeld is almost never that
funny. Red Dwarf is one of the first comedy series I want on DVD.
ANIM8Rfsk
<< I thought "Wishman" looked... interesting; would have
appreciated more details. >>
You didn't think the commentator yelling LOOK AT THAT STUPID THING provided
valuable insight?
:-)
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> effects, I thought "Wishman" looked... interesting; would have
> appreciated more details. Poochinski was a pretty impressive puppet,
> but a bad concept. And I appreciated getting a glimpse of the American
> "Red Dwarf" I've heard so much about.
>
> --Billy
I recall seeing the pilot of "Wishman" on TV. I think it aired as a movie.
Basically it was about a guy who stole a research project from some big bad
business. Sort of like an alien fugitive, except Wishman wasn't an alien. As
I recall, Wishman had psychic abilities, which seem impressive at first but
soon become boring. It was a weak overused fugitive plot that killed it. The
big problem I felt with Wishman as a character is that because he was
genetically engineered, he never really would have fit in anywhere.
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No, but you have to get a signed release from them to use the clips...
Which is why our LAX 2194 clip didn't have Matthew Perry in it...and why Naomi
Watts wasn't in the BERMUDA TRIANGLE clip, either!
LeeGoldbrg
>chosen were ones that had actually aired. I was hoping for more
>obscure stuff. I *saw* "Infiltrator", "Fuzzbucket", "Bates Motel", and
>"Generation X".
>
This was purely a financial consideration. If they never aired, and we aired
them for the first time, in most cases bigger fees/residuals kicked in.
Ian J. Ball
leego...@aol.com (LeeGoldbrg) wrote:
OMG! *That* is where I discovered Watts, I think! I knew I've known
about her since before NBC's "Sleepwalkers", but I couldn't remember
from where. By George, I think you've got it!
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William December Starr
leego...@aol.com (LeeGoldbrg) said:
Okay, I believe you, but I have to ask how it is that the actors hold
any rights to their own images in these pilots. I'd have assumed that
the standard contract offered to every non-superstar tv actor on a
"Take it or we'll just get somebody else" basis would include a
now-and-forever release of those rights to, well, whoever the party
of the first part was -- the production company, I'd guess. (Is this
one of those "Behold the mighty power of the Screen Actors Guild!"
deals?)
Is it an "if the production is not televised within N months/years,
all rights revert to the performers" deal, so that Perry now owns his
own image in "LAX 2194" but can't stop somebody from re-showing his
1979 television debut on "240-Robert?"
(Hmm, I wonder whether there were any actors who appeared in the
first Star Trek pilot "The Cage" but weren't in any of the scenes
that Roddenberry later incorporated into the "The Menagerie, and
therefore, had they been aware of it and so inclined, could have
years later prevented the full "Cage" from ever being shown...)
ANIM8Rfsk
<< (Hmm, I wonder whether there were any actors who appeared in the
first Star Trek pilot "The Cage" but weren't in any of the scenes
that Roddenberry later incorporated into the "The Menagerie, and
therefore, had they been aware of it and so inclined, could have
years later prevented the full "Cage" from ever being shown...) >>
Well, there's Pike's horse . .
William December Starr
anim...@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) said:
>> (Hmm, I wonder whether there were any actors who appeared in the
>> first Star Trek pilot "The Cage" but weren't in any of the scenes
>> that Roddenberry later incorporated into the "The Menagerie, and
>> therefore, had they been aware of it and so inclined, could have
>> years later prevented the full "Cage" from ever being shown...)
>> [wdstarr]
>
> Well, there's Pike's horse . .
I could say something here that includes the word "peak," but I
won't.
1 Gr8 Fan
>In article
><41221012$0$5459$a32e...@news.nn
>tpservers.com>, "Chris"
> <chrissi...@netzero.com> wrote:
>How about John Denver as a tough FBI
> agent who breaks into song.
>That might have been my favorite case
> of irony, as this is basically what Chuck
> Norris did with "Walker Texas Ranger".
How so? AFAIK, the only time Chuck Norris broke into song on the show
was when he recorded the theme song.
Micky DuPree
: I remember seeing Questor and it wasn't *that* bad. It could have been
: something.
Out of all of Roddenberry's attempts to introduce one or more superior
beings that would guide humanity to enlightenment, I thought _The
Questor Tapes_ showed the most promise because the character was paired
with a more down-to-earth helpmate, ably played by Mike Farrell. The
relationship between them was more interesting than the proto-Data
antics of the android who has to work at understanding human society.
-Micky