What Did You Watch? 2012-08-13 (Monday)

[Ubiquitous]

I watched:

ADVENTURE TIME:
� Finn and Jake awaken in a pile of bananas in the Nightosphere but no
memory of how they got there.
� Finn and Jake attempt to rescue Marceline from the Nightosphere

ADVENTURE TIME:
� Finn is trapped in a dream with King Worm (nice callback!)
� Princess Bubblegum reveals her sucessor to Finn and Jake

HOTEL HELL:
Gordon Ramsey's version of "Hotel Impossible", but nearly as formulaic
as Kitchen Nightmares. In part one of a two-part premiere, GR checks
into the Juniper Hill Inn in Vermont whose owner is more interested in
his delusions of snobbery than paying his staff (No, his first name
wasn't Steve). In an interesting twist, it's revealed that the snobby
owner is a hoarder.

LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE:
"Going Home". Charles decides to return to The Big Woods after a tornado
wipes out their homestead. Was those tears or snot on Carrie's cheek?

LOST:
"Numbers". Hurley's back story and THE NUMBERS. This was one of my favs
but I was unable to watch beyond the cold opening because I was
overwhelmed with bile and bitterness about how they totally fucked up
this show and toyed with its fans. Sorry, I have better reasons to have
my blood pressure spike, thankyouverymuch!

THE O'REILLY FACTOR
� As Romney hits the campaign trail with his running mate, how will
voters across America react to Paul Ryan? Karl Rove, Bernie Goldberg,
and Adam Carolla react
� Will the media give Paul Ryan a fair shake?

What did you watch?

--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."

[Obveeus]

"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> What did you watch?


GRIMM: back early for the season #2 premiere that picks up right where
season #1 left off. Nick's mom is back and Nick is mad about the lost 18
years (lied to by both his mom and his aunt), but he is already in full
trust mode. The girlfriend is still comatose (wish she was back in the
game), but new bad guys flow into town as quickly as the old ones are
dispatched.

TEEN WOLF: The season finale spins everyone out of control as the writers
try and juggle too many characters and too much plotline. I didn't like
that Stiles was wasted illogically for half the episode or that his dad (and
Scott's mom and the veterinarian) wanders in and out of the plot. Still,
everything else was firing on all cylinders as the dogs, lizards, and slimy
old men fight it out. I loved the ultimate juxtaposition between Argent
Grandpa and Argent Mom when it came to their respective solutions to life.

ALPHAS: Not enough Gary in this one as everyone else works to find Nina
before it is too late. Meanwhile, the new girl is walking around the office
with a video recorder documenting all kinds of personal/weakness stuff that
could come back to haunt them if the wrong people ever got the files. Right
before the end of the episode Syfy aired a commercial that showed the
climactic scene...bad form Syfy.

THE BOOTH AT THE END: people are making big requests this season.
Immortality. The annihilation of an entire religion. I can't wait to see
what The Man asks for and what the terms are for these kinds of requests.

LAUREN: Jennifer Beals plays an army officer investigating an incident of
gang rape upon Troian Bellisario. This first episode included actual stats
on the number of real world in-military reports of rape, so you can be sure
that this mini-series wants to make a statement. Meanwhile, my statement
is: I hate character accents.

[suzeeq]

Ubiquitous wrote:

> What did you watch?

Season premiere of GRIMM. Nick seems to have more badass fighing skills
and he teamed up well with mom.

[Arthur Lipscomb]

On 8/14/2012 4:47 AM, Obveeus wrote:
> "Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> What did you watch?
>
>

>

> TEEN WOLF: The season finale spins everyone out of control as the writers
> try and juggle too many characters and too much plotline.

Agreed.

I didn't like
> that Stiles was wasted illogically

I'm getting fed up with characters who have the ability to crash through
a wall at the exact right moment and run over a villain who they
couldn't possibly have seen or aimed at.

for half the episode or that his dad (and
> Scott's mom and the veterinarian) wanders in and out of the plot. Still,
> everything else was firing on all cylinders as the dogs, lizards, and slimy
> old men fight it out. I loved the ultimate juxtaposition between Argent
> Grandpa and Argent Mom when it came to their respective solutions to life.

I was just shocked by how hypocritical he was about it. Why not let her
live, bite his son and granddaughter and start his own pack. Perhaps
that is still the plan but he knew she wouldn't go for it.

>
> ALPHAS: Not enough Gary in this one as everyone else works to find Nina
> before it is too late. Meanwhile, the new girl is walking around the office
> with a video recorder documenting all kinds of personal/weakness stuff that
> could come back to haunt them if the wrong people ever got the files.

The only reason I could think for her to be doing that is she intends to
give it to the bad guys.

Right
> before the end of the episode Syfy aired a commercial that showed the
> climactic scene...bad form Syfy.

You're being way to kind about it!

>
> THE BOOTH AT THE END: people are making big requests this season.
> Immortality. The annihilation of an entire religion. I can't wait to see
> what The Man asks for and what the terms are for these kinds of requests.

Did they display last season that he has the ability to grant these
requests?



I watched:

The Closer � Series finale puts Brenda against her nemesis (who barely
registered in my mind as a recurring character). The episode was good
but the directing was horrible.


Major Crimes � Why not just call it The Closer? It�s the exact same
show. Actually, it might be a little better seeing as how they may have
gotten rid of the unnecessary humor that would occasionally bring down
The Closer.


Degrassi � �Sabotage, Pt. 1� Mainly focused on Clare spiraling out of
control following the events at her internship. In the B-plot Drew has
to deal with no longer being in school.


The Newsroom �The Blackout Part 1: Tragedy Porn� � They seemed to turn
the down the humor which helped a lot. The episode was otherwise as
preachy as ever.


Animal Practice - I tried to watch this but couldn't finish it.


Stars Earn Stripes - I didn't finish it but what I saw was watchable.
I'll see where it goes.

(Saved for later: Grimm)

[Mason Barge]

BOSS - end of Season 1

Really a very solid, very Shakespearean-feeling drama. Kelsey Grammar
gets A+ and completely deserved whatever award (Emmy?) he got. Most of
the cast was good to great.

They really should have done this as a miniseries. I have a feeling it
will deteriorate in Season 2. I mean, his time is running out.

Grade: A

Breaking Bad -
Yeah I'm in catch-up mode after the Olympics and a couple of
books. Jesse getting caught under the train was the big moment.

Grade: A-

For tonight: Alphas, Grimm, whatever comes on Tuesday.

[Dano]

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BOSS - end of Season 1

Really a very solid, very Shakespearean-feeling drama. Kelsey Grammar
gets A+ and completely deserved whatever award (Emmy?) he got. Most of
the cast was good to great.

They really should have done this as a miniseries. I have a feeling it
will deteriorate in Season 2. I mean, his time is running out.

Grade: A

Breaking Bad -
Yeah I'm in catch-up mode after the Olympics and a couple of
books. Jesse getting caught under the train was the big moment.

============================================

Seriously? Bigger than the kid getting killed?

No way I thought they were killing off Jesse.

[amu...@roadrunner.com]

In article <k0d5uf$skb$4...@dont-email.me>, web...@polaris.net wrote:

>HOTEL HELL:
>Gordon Ramsey's version of "Hotel Impossible", but nearly as formulaic
>as Kitchen Nightmares. In part one of a two-part premiere, GR checks
>into the Juniper Hill Inn in Vermont whose owner is more interested in
>his delusions of snobbery than paying his staff (No, his first name
>wasn't Steve). In an interesting twist, it's revealed that the snobby
>owner is a hoarder.

I didnt intend to watch this but caught it by accident. It's, as I
suspected, almost a clone of the American version of Kitchen Nightmares.
The process is the same: Gordon came in, checked things out, had a meal,
critiqued it heavily, talked with the owner and staff to figure out the
root of the problem and said, "Oh my god" a lot. He just has more areas
to critique in this one. (His first room smelled of sewage so he needed a
new one).

So, thoughts? I enjoyed it for the most part. The owner comes across as a
prissy, effete, snob, as ineffectual as he is deluded. He routinely just
doesn't pay his staff (one woman waited 5 weeks for a check, and it's
sometimes as low as $40) and then says if they don't like the conditions
they don't have to work there. He says the hotel costs $30k per month to
operate but the money clearly isn't going to wages or supplies (maids
have purchased their own supplies and an ex-chef says she had bought food
on her own credit cards. It looks like most of the money is going to feed
Robert the owner's antique hoarding habit.

It will be interesting to see what happens in part 2. I can't imagine
ever wanting to stay in that hotel.

[Jessica Eva]

I enjoyed it as well (well, it's GR, still my main squeeze). I can't believe these
people hadn't taken the owners to the Wage and Hour Div of their state department of
labor. How do you run a business and not pay your people? As much as some of the folks
on KN and RI might be awful business people, most of them pay their staff and don't
take a salary themselves. When I saw all those storage units I wanted to scream,
thinking he had wasted money on stuff and not paid his staff.

I don't know what to think of the cook - is he alone in the kitchen? And since the
owners have no concept of running a restaurant, they don't know how to stagger the
orders so the chef was overwhelmed? Or was he just a bad chef?

Almost forgot - he needs a secretary to do payroll? Don't they have computer programs
for that for about $25? What is this man's problem? (well, don't get me started...)

I'll keep watching - shoot, I'm still watching KN reruns, so there's no hope for me.

[watch...@yahoo.com]

I love GR, and I really enjoyed this show, because it's fun watching
snobbish bitches get yelled at. I secretly think the boyfriend was
internally gleeful - I know I would be if someone finally called out the
person who caused me to sink all my money into their failing project, yet
had hoarded all his antiques and wasn't selling a damn thing to help out.

I am hoping he gets to makeover the place - some of the wall colours were
truly hideous.

[Susan B]

I've read several recent and not so recent reviews of Juniper Hill on
Tripadvisor, and I also looked at the Juniper Hill website. Of course, we've only
seen the first half of the two part episode, but it certainly didn't appear to be
good advertising for them. Curiously the owners actually draw attention to their
participation in this show on the website. On Hotel Impossible I've never seen
any owners who appear to be slow in paying their employees or dismissively saying
they can work someplace else if they don't like working there. I just can't
imagine why the owners of Juniper Hill trumpet their Hotel Hell experience
considering how we've already been shown how clueless and downright mean they
are.

One thing that jumped out from the Tripadvisor reviews over and over is that
Juniper Hill automatically adds a gratuity for breakfast on guests' bills. Many
guests never even noticed until they returned home. A B&B, which Juniper Hill is
described as, includes the breakfast in the rate for the room. A tip is not
required or even expected. My husband and I have stayed in over 50 B&Bs, and I
have never seen anyone come to breakfast and leave any money on the table. Adding
a tip to someone's bill without telling them is horrible any time, but at a B&B,
it's shameful.

I can't imagine that this place can be turned around with the owner's entitled,
haughty attitude.

[BUF...@aol.com]

In article <k0d5uf$skb$4...@dont-email.me>, web...@polaris.net wrote:
>
>

>I watched:
>
>ADVENTURE TIME:
>� Finn and Jake awaken in a pile of bananas in the Nightosphere but no
>memory of how they got there.
>� Finn and Jake attempt to rescue Marceline from the Nightosphere
>
>ADVENTURE TIME:
>� Finn is trapped in a dream with King Worm (nice callback!)
>� Princess Bubblegum reveals her sucessor to Finn and Jake
>
>HOTEL HELL:
>Gordon Ramsey's version of "Hotel Impossible", but nearly as formulaic
>as Kitchen Nightmares. In part one of a two-part premiere, GR checks
>into the Juniper Hill Inn in Vermont whose owner is more interested in
>his delusions of snobbery than paying his staff (No, his first name
>wasn't Steve). In an interesting twist, it's revealed that the snobby
>owner is a hoarder.

I dont understand the point of the owners showing up on the show. After
watching the show, there is no way I want to give such a wretched man my
business. The guy Robert is a truly deluded pompous self centered
asshole. The way he treats his employees makes me want to wish for the
quick demise of this inn.

I do wonder if something is missing in the story(I cant believe a lady
would agree to work at any place for 6000 a year, why not just take a job
at mcDonalds? Is Windsor truly such a loser of a place that there are no
jobs at all?). Still, if you pay very little, you are not going to
attract quality proven employees. If you don't even pay on time, you only
succeed in demoralizing the inexperienced staff you do end up hiring
instead of inspiring them to do quality work. Tripadivsor reviews seem to
indicate that Ramsay did not leave a long lasting mark judging by the
negative and the kind of positive reviews they got(the positive reviews
give me the impression that Robert probably traded rare good service for
good reviews).

Oh and the scene where Ramsay is talking to the prior chef lady: looked
fake as hell like they were trying to recreate the conversation for the
show. I think Ramsay was just talking to a phone dialed nowhere.

Hotel Impossible is a better show too.

Oh, and those friends of Roberts who got free meals in the past and never
bothered tipping the waitstaff, what a bunch of self centered twits. They
could make a movie about this circle of a combination of rich and
pretentious wannabes and their self centeredness. Hell, they could make a
reality show just based on this inn alone. I wonder if this guy Robert
being younger than the old gay guy Ari gives Robert the sense that he can
manipulate Ari around.

And I think I know why the inn does not accept cash tips(stuff I gathered
from tripsadvisor). Robert probably pockets the credit card tips that are
charged without the guest's knowlege.

You know what i would have liked to have seen in this episode. Gordon
Ramsay tells Robert to fuck off, the show pays all the waitstaff a
generous severance pay to walk away and then we get to enjoy seeing the
flabbergasted expressions on Robert and Ari. Sometimes, the best ending
for a show is to see a hotel fail.

[Hunter]

-----
It was a partial repeat of the last minutes of the first season
finale. He was improving, getting stronger all last season.

------>Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907

[Obveeus]

"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> On 8/14/2012 4:47 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>>

>> TEEN WOLF: Grandpa and Argent Mom when it came to their respective

>> solutions to life.
>
> I was just shocked by how hypocritical he was about it. Why not let her
> live, bite his son and granddaughter and start his own pack. Perhaps that
> is still the plan but he knew she wouldn't go for it.

The stupid dad and daughter would probably do just like mom and kill
themselves, even knowing full well that these werewolves are not all
dangerous or all 'bad guys'. Grandpa, meanwhile, took the opposite
approach to life.

>> ALPHAS: Not enough Gary in this one as everyone else works to find Nina
>> before it is too late. Meanwhile, the new girl is walking around the
>> office
>> with a video recorder documenting all kinds of personal/weakness stuff
>> that
>> could come back to haunt them if the wrong people ever got the files.
>
> The only reason I could think for her to be doing that is she intends to
> give it to the bad guys.

Dr. Rossen told her specifically to do it so that she could start preserving
long term memories.

>> THE BOOTH AT THE END: people are making big requests this season.
>> Immortality. The annihilation of an entire religion. I can't wait to
>> see
>> what The Man asks for and what the terms are for these kinds of requests.
>
> Did they display last season that he has the ability to grant these
> requests?

He slow plays that it will happen, but yes, requests are always granted
somehow. Apparently, though, he may not be in any control of it at all.
Maybe The Book is in control and he is just a stenographer?

[Ubiquitous]

Oh yeah, I forgit to mention watching:

DEADLY MEN:
An interview with convicted killer Ronald DeFeo. You should recognise
the name from the late 1970's.

[Arthur Lipscomb]

On 8/14/2012 2:34 PM, Obveeus wrote:
> "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> On 8/14/2012 4:47 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>
>>> TEEN WOLF: Grandpa and Argent Mom when it came to their respective
>>> solutions to life.
>>
>> I was just shocked by how hypocritical he was about it. Why not let her
>> live, bite his son and granddaughter and start his own pack. Perhaps that
>> is still the plan but he knew she wouldn't go for it.
>
> The stupid dad and daughter would probably do just like mom and kill
> themselves,

I thought mom lost her nerve and dad had to pull the trigger? Or am I
misremembering?

even knowing full well that these werewolves are not all
> dangerous or all 'bad guys'. Grandpa, meanwhile, took the opposite
> approach to life.
>
>>> ALPHAS: Not enough Gary in this one as everyone else works to find Nina
>>> before it is too late. Meanwhile, the new girl is walking around the
>>> office
>>> with a video recorder documenting all kinds of personal/weakness stuff
>>> that
>>> could come back to haunt them if the wrong people ever got the files.
>>
>> The only reason I could think for her to be doing that is she intends to
>> give it to the bad guys.
>
> Dr. Rossen told her specifically to do it so that she could start preserving
> long term memories.

Oh, I missed that.

>
>>> THE BOOTH AT THE END: people are making big requests this season.
>>> Immortality. The annihilation of an entire religion. I can't wait to
>>> see
>>> what The Man asks for and what the terms are for these kinds of requests.
>>
>> Did they display last season that he has the ability to grant these
>> requests?
>
> He slow plays that it will happen, but yes, requests are always granted
> somehow. Apparently, though, he may not be in any control of it at all.
> Maybe The Book is in control and he is just a stenographer?
>
>

So for immortality are we talking symbolic (everlasting fame), monkey's
paw (dead, embalmed and conscious), or is the show going to flash
forward to the year 100,000,000,000,000 and see the guy still alive?

[Arthur Lipscomb]

I'm wasn't 100% sure she was his mom. He should have at least
considered the possibility that she was an imposter.

[Hunter]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:46:00 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb
<art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

>On 8/14/2012 4:47 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>> "Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What did you watch?

(snip)

>>
>> ALPHAS: Not enough Gary in this one as everyone else works to find Nina
>> before it is too late. Meanwhile, the new girl is walking around the office
>> with a video recorder documenting all kinds of personal/weakness stuff that
>> could come back to haunt them if the wrong people ever got the files.
>
>The only reason I could think for her to be doing that is she intends to

>give it to the bad guys.]
------
It was for her to remember things past six weeks. And it was Dr.
Rosen's idea in the first place so I doubt she is some spy.

>
> Right
>> before the end of the episode Syfy aired a commercial that showed the
>> climactic scene...bad form Syfy.
>
>You're being way to kind about it!

-----
Ask Ronald D. Moore about it. He ranted on his "Battlestar Galactica"
podcast about then Sci-Fi giving away too much on the "next week
on..." trailer.
(snip)
>I watched:
>
>The Closer - Series finale puts Brenda against her nemesis (who barely

>registered in my mind as a recurring character). The episode was good
>but the directing was horrible.

-----
It was an excellent finale. The two fight scenes that Brenda had with
Stroh were great and believable. Maybe Brenda did plan the first one
in the elevator, but I don't think she thought it would be so intense.
She looked like she really lost it when Stroh danced her Brenda's
mother's grave. She probably had another excuse lined up but I don't
think she could've surmised that he would make a crack about her
mother at just that time. From how she acted after she fought him in
that daze she was in even with the ME she lost control but didn't want
to admit it
>
>Major Crimes - Why not just call it The Closer? It's the exact same

>show. Actually, it might be a little better seeing as how they may have
>gotten rid of the unnecessary humor that would occasionally bring down
>The Closer.

-----
It's not the same show. They called the show "The Closer" because
Deputy Chief Brenda Lee Johnson was a CIA trained interrogator who has
a great talent to get confessions out of suspects much more than most
other detectives, hence her nickname "The Closer". Without Brenda Lee,
it isn't "The Closer". Presumably Captain Reader will get her
confessions more with actual evidence, but it won't be by clever
techniques to fool the suspect into incriminating him or herself.
(snip)
>
>The Newsroom "The Blackout Part 1: Tragedy Porn" - They seemed to turn

>the down the humor which helped a lot. The episode was otherwise as
>preachy as ever.

-----
They are all preachy; it is part of the show. I did like the theme of
the episode of how choosing fluff over substantive news stories is
driven by ratings. The twist is that not even the fluff is reported
accurately (Nancy Grace, no wonder people were shocked when the mother
got off if the reporting was that shitty). I do like that they have
toned down the humor to about to what "The Closer"/"Major Crimes"
had/has, still not as subtle. I did like Sloane slamming Neil against
the pillar. I can imagine it was me getting slammed by her. :-)
(snip)

[Obveeus]

"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> On 8/14/2012 2:34 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>> "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>> On 8/14/2012 4:47 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> TEEN WOLF: Grandpa and Argent Mom when it came to their respective
>>>> solutions to life.
>>>
>>> I was just shocked by how hypocritical he was about it. Why not let her
>>> live, bite his son and granddaughter and start his own pack. Perhaps
>>> that
>>> is still the plan but he knew she wouldn't go for it.
>>
>> The stupid dad and daughter would probably do just like mom and kill
>> themselves,
>
> I thought mom lost her nerve and dad had to pull the trigger? Or am I
> misremembering?

You are correct, Dad had to kill her because she begged to die, but couldn't
do it. One of the rules of the Ardent family is that the women are in
charge and the men have to do what the women tel them to do. This is why
Scott's nutsy girlfriend is so dangerous.

>>>> THE BOOTH AT THE END:

> So for immortality are we talking symbolic (everlasting fame), monkey's
> paw (dead, embalmed and conscious), or is the show going to flash forward
> to the year 100,000,000,000,000 and see the guy still alive?

The last. The guy wants to be invincible....no death, no decay, no injury,
etc... He claims it is because he needs time to figure out what he wants to
do with his life, but that seems like a lie. Mostly, he was freaked out by
seeing his dad's corpse and doesn't want to end up like that...maybe while
seeking revenge? That revenge part is just a guess because then the show
could have two 9-11 style wishes being hinted about.

[Hunter]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:46:00 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb
<art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

>On 8/14/2012 4:47 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>> "Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What did you watch?
>>
>>
>
>>
>> TEEN WOLF: The season finale spins everyone out of control as the writers
>> try and juggle too many characters and too much plotline.
>
>Agreed.
>
> I didn't like
>> that Stiles was wasted illogically
>
>I'm getting fed up with characters who have the ability to crash through
>a wall at the exact right moment and run over a villain who they
>couldn't possibly have seen or aimed at.

------
Forgot to answer this one:

If you are talking about the supernatural characters you have to
remember that in comparison to normal humans they have super hearing
and smell so they don't have to see them to zero in on them.

[Obveeus]

"Hunter (Hunter)" <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:46:00 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb
> <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>
>>On 8/14/2012 4:47 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>>> TEEN WOLF: The season finale spins everyone out of control as the
>>> writers
>>> try and juggle too many characters and too much plotline.
>>
>>Agreed.
>>
>> I didn't like
>>> that Stiles was wasted illogically
>>
>>I'm getting fed up with characters who have the ability to crash through
>>a wall at the exact right moment and run over a villain who they
>>couldn't possibly have seen or aimed at.
> ------
> Forgot to answer this one:
>
> If you are talking about the supernatural characters you have to
> remember that in comparison to normal humans they have super hearing
> and smell so they don't have to see them to zero in on them.

Why attempt to answer the question if you haven't actually seen the show?
For that matter, Arthur's point is valid (and your answer is really not)
even if the person crashing through the wall at the exact moment had been a
supernatural character.

[suzeeq]

True, she could be 'the friend' who was supposed to have died with his
father and she just wanted to get the coins which she seemed rather
eager to have. But she did know a lot about things, so... we'll see.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k0ga9u$ld7$1...@dont-email.me>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
wrote:

Or it could be McCarrott's mother.

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[Hunter]

-----
I have seen the show a couple of times, but not any episodes this
season. I don't watch since Werewolves aren't my thing, vampires are,
female vampires to be exact. :-)

Any, if the complaint that they have no way could've known precisely
where the target was when they crashed through the wall the fact that
those beings have senses beyond the abilities of humans including far
superior smell and hearing then it makes perfect sense that they could
judge where the target is going to be with out seeing them if they can
hear and/or smell them beyond the wall, hearing their foot steeps,
labored breathing and the like. If they were ordinary humans then I
can see the complaint but not with supernatural person which one has
to suspend disbelief anyway giving what they can do, including pain
transference, that is absorbing and releaving the physical pain of
othes, taking itt into themselves. THAT, to me, is the thing that
can't possibly happen.

Them hearing sound waves though a wall with super sensitive ears is
the MOSTbelievable given there are real life animals that could do
that, including real wolves and dogs who have hearing much, much
keener than any human-even if they can't bust through walls. :-)

[Arthur Lipscomb]

First, it was not a werewolf or any other type of supernatural creature
driving.

Second, you can *not* be serious! Are you saying a dog or any animal
can hear and smell through a car and a wall with such precision that
assuming it could drive, it could drive a truck through the wall and
*only* hit the bad guy?

A professional sniper who can actually *see* the target still waits for
a clear shot, what you're suggesting is the equivalent of firing a
rocket launcher blind in the general vicinity of the hostages using
sonar to aim.

Third, you can *not* be serious!

[Obveeus]

"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

>>>>>> TEEN WOLF: The season finale spins everyone out of control as the

> First, it was not a werewolf or any other type of supernatural creature
> driving.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but...
Stiles did play Jesus and make that hand full of powder cover 40 yards just
by believing that it could.
Stiles did turn into super lacrosse player suddenly in the last game.
As such, the possibility exists that he is some warlock just awakening into
his powers or some such future plotline.

> Second, you can *not* be serious! Are you saying a dog or any animal can
> hear and smell through a car and a wall with such precision that assuming
> it could drive, it could drive a truck through the wall and *only* hit the
> bad guy?

Yes, that is what Hunter is saying. Yes, that is classic Hunter fanwank
extrordinaire.

> A professional sniper who can actually *see* the target still waits for a
> clear shot, what you're suggesting is the equivalent of firing a rocket
> launcher blind in the general vicinity of the hostages using sonar to aim.

...and it works on TV all the time even though the targets (and non-targets)
are moving around. I agree with you about the silliness of this particular
TV trope.

[Hunter]

-----
I think he would know his own mother assuming she wasn't a shape
shifter of some kind. Besides, she knew about the trailer, including
the secret combination "Fonzie" desk drawers and other Family Grimm
secrets. Also she didn't leave with the coins immediately when she had
the chance.

[William December Starr]

In article <k0g2qb$aa5$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> said:

> "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>
>>>>> THE BOOTH AT THE END:
>>
>> So for immortality are we talking symbolic (everlasting fame),
>> monkey's paw (dead, embalmed and conscious), or is the show going
>> to flash forward to the year 100,000,000,000,000 and see the guy
>> still alive?
>
> The last. The guy wants to be invincible....no death, no decay,
> no injury, etc...

No way of killing himself?

-- wds

[Obveeus]

Yep...and this from a guy whose complaint is that he hasn't figured out what
to do with his life.

[Arthur Lipscomb]

So then it's monkey's paw...

I recall an episode of I think Tales From the Darkside (or maybe
Monsters - one of those 80s horror anthology shows) where a character
wanted immortality and was granted it by drinking magic water. He was
then transformed into a stone statute. Except he would still be
conscious and even moving but so slow that the Shawman who explained the
catch (after the guy drank the water) said in the decades he's been
taking suckers to the magic water cave he saw other statutes manage to
blink or turn a head.

Then of course there was the Twilight Zone where the guy made a deal
with the devil for immortality and invulnerability and was then
sentenced to life in prison.

Then there was another anthology show, Kurt Vonnegut I think, that had
an episode about a rich man who wanted to live forever so he paid a mad
scientist to keep him alive. Except the scientist kept replacing all of
his body parts with large machines in a room until the rich guy was just
a head in a room that couldn't leave. Despite the rich man's pleas to
let him die the mad scientist refused.

Immortality almost never works out well in these types of stories. I
suspect Guy at the booth or whoever pulls his strings will make sure one
way or another this guy doesn't walk away happy with his wish.

I'm going to keep an eye out for when/if this show ever comes out on
DVD/blu-ray so I can rent it from Netflix.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k0j6n5$mqk$1...@dont-email.me>,

Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

> On 8/16/2012 8:03 AM, Obveeus wrote:
> > "William December Starr" <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> said:
> >>
> >>> "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>> THE BOOTH AT THE END:
> >>>>
> >>>> So for immortality are we talking symbolic (everlasting fame),
> >>>> monkey's paw (dead, embalmed and conscious), or is the show going
> >>>> to flash forward to the year 100,000,000,000,000 and see the guy
> >>>> still alive?
> >>>
> >>> The last. The guy wants to be invincible....no death, no decay,
> >>> no injury, etc...
> >>
> >> No way of killing himself?
> >
> > Yep...and this from a guy whose complaint is that he hasn't figured out what
> > to do with his life.
> >
> >
>
> So then it's monkey's paw...
>
> I recall an episode of I think Tales From the Darkside (or maybe
> Monsters - one of those 80s horror anthology shows) where a character
> wanted immortality and was granted it by drinking magic water. He was
> then transformed into a stone statute. Except he would still be
> conscious and even moving but so slow that the Shawman who explained the
> catch (after the guy drank the water) said in the decades he's been
> taking suckers to the magic water cave he saw other statutes manage to
> blink or turn a head.

There's a version where he turns into a redwood tree as well.

[Hunter]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:21:17 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb

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Okay that is a totally different thing all together whch is why I said
if it was a supernatural being..

>
>Second, you can *not* be serious! Are you saying a dog or any animal
>can hear and smell through a car and a wall with such precision that
>assuming it could drive, it could drive a truck through the wall and
>*only* hit the bad guy?

------
The heightened senses of the mythical werewolf is *based* on the real
life better hearing of a wolf. The supernatural ability exaggerates
this so the were it could do it if the bad guy was making noise-or
maybe just hearing his heart beat. To repeat in this hypothetiical
case it is *based* on reality, giving it plausibility, not literally
real.

>
>A professional sniper who can actually *see* the target still waits for
>a clear shot, what you're suggesting is the equivalent of firing a
>rocket launcher blind in the general vicinity of the hostages using
>sonar to aim.
>
>Third, you can *not* be serious!

-------
It is a supernatural show, so it can't be.

The proper sniper analogy would be with one of the werewolves taking a
rifle, closing his eyes, then ranges and fires on the target with just
his hearing alone from say 200 yards. Now yes that would be impossible
for us mere mortals but that what makes it a supernatural ability,
that the werewolf's hearing is acute enough together enough sound
information that he can do that..

But if it was a werewolf we were talking about and from the above in
this post t wasn't-then I can believe that t could hear or smell with
enough accuracy to ht the target without seeing it. The analogy with a
sniper is not accurate in this case because we are talking about human
snipers who rely on sight and you are assuming the werewolves would be
the same.

The werewolves don't have to rely on sight. Their ears are as good as
our eyes if not much better so they don't have to rely on seeing. That
is *our* bias because we are visual creatures. So in that vain I am
serious because the supernatural premise is that that ability is
superhuman and so they can do it and we with our comparatively deaf
ears have to rely on actually seeing the target.

However, now that you have pointed out that it was a mere human who
supposed to have that uncanny ability, then that is a different story
and so yes it would be hard to believe that a human could do that, but
if it was a werewolf driving the car I am willing to believe that a
werewolf with its far superior hearing could rely on the sound
information alone and get an accurate fix on a target even if it
doesn't' see it, because its ears are as good as a human sniper's
eyes. Unbelievable? Well I guess that what makes it supernatural.:-)

Again, if one can prepare to believe that a being can morph from a
human to a part wolf or absorb the pain of other beings then yes I am
serious that I am willing to suspend disbelief and accept a werewolf
could hear its target well enough to hit the target crashing trough a
wall because I can see a way based on what is known about wolves in
real life that makes it plausible. They do have far superior hearing
than human but of curse they cannot morph or absorb pain. You see what
I'm getting aat now? The other supernatural aspects are impossible but
the hearing is at least based on real life. The supernatural aspect of
that exaggerates this ability to, well, supernatural levels.

But since it was fully human then the augment is moot and so it would
be unbelievable in this case.

Generally ths is a supenatural show. Many impossible thiings happen.
The thought of a being wth superhearing is able to target something
he can't see and hit it is the least improbable thing about the show.