Re: 1st Season Stargate Universe - Earth - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
Pete B
george...@yahoo.com says...
> "Earth"
> 11-6-09 SGU
>
> 5 stars (Daybreak)
>
> 0-1 stars (Revelations)
>
> -George
2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera
Arthur Lipscomb
"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
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And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. I loved
how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was going to
blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped the
moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And of course
Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the surface it
appears Rush is being helpful.
Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and Young were
articulated by Telford.
TB
wrote:> > In article <POydnU2d8frtKmjXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@supernews.com>,
> > georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
> >> "Earth"
> >> 11-6-09 SGU
>
> >> 5 stars (Daybreak)
>
> >> 0-1 stars (Revelations)
>
> >> -George
>
> > 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera
>
> And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. I loved
> how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was going to
> blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped the
> moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And of course
> Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the surface it
> appears Rush is being helpful.
>
> Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and Young were
> articulated by Telford.
When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did he
find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she react?
Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits to
his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet ANOTHER
body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and
accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise a
password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in
whatever body he occupies.
TB
> > georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
> >> "Earth"
> >> 11-6-09 SGU
>
> >> 5 stars (Daybreak)
>
> >> 0-1 stars (Revelations)
>
> >> -George
>
> > 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera
>
> And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. I loved
> how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was going to
> blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped the
> moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And of course
> Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the surface it
> appears Rush is being helpful.
Rush also said that he had put safeguards in place to prevent any
danger.
A Watcher
Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife
already has something going on between them.
Dan Lanciani
to prevent any danger of his having to return to Earth, that is...
Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com
DJensen
I thought it implied he was about to start something.
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Smokie Darling (Annie)
> A Watcher wrote:
> > TB wrote:
> >> On Nov 7, 12:11 pm, "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and Young
> >>> were
> >>> articulated by Telford.
>
> >> When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did he
> >> find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she react?
>
> >> Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits to
> >> his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet ANOTHER
> >> body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and
> >> accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise a
> >> password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in
> >> whatever body he occupies.
>
> > Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife
> > already has something going on between them.
>
> I thought it implied he was about to start something.
and not particularly pleasant, I'm thinking. That was not a "nice"
look on old LDP's face.
clouddreamer
> A Watcher wrote:
>> TB wrote:
>>> On Nov 7, 12:11 pm, "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and
>>>> Young were
>>>> articulated by Telford.
>>>
>>> When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did he
>>> find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she react?
>>>
>>> Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits to
>>> his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet ANOTHER
>>> body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and
>>> accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise a
>>> password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in
>>> whatever body he occupies.
>>
>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife
>> already has something going on between them.
>
> I thought it implied he was about to start something.
>
So did I. And my guess is that he starts it by impersonating Young.
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Pete B
i_m...@yahoo.ca says...
> A Watcher wrote:
> > TB wrote:
> >> On Nov 7, 12:11 pm, "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and Young
> >>> were
> >>> articulated by Telford.
> >>
> >> When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did he
> >> find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she react?
> >>
> >> Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits to
> >> his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet ANOTHER
> >> body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and
> >> accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise a
> >> password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in
> >> whatever body he occupies.
> >
> > Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife
> > already has something going on between them.
>
> I thought it implied he was about to start something.
It didn't imply anything except he wanted to talk to her - we can guess
about what is going to happen. Take a soap (any soap) what is the most
likely scenario there? it probably is here as well.
clouddreamer
Hmmm...which soap had the guy whose body is possessed periodically by
the woman's husband???
..
Pete B
saveth...@savemoney.too says...
> > It didn't imply anything except he wanted to talk to her - we can guess
> > about what is going to happen. Take a soap (any soap) what is the most
> > likely scenario there? it probably is here as well.
>
>
> Hmmm...which soap had the guy whose body is possessed periodically by
> the woman's husband???
*plonk*
clouddreamer
Oh c'mon. You whine about scientific stuff not being plausible but think
humans have to been robots??? Chripes.
..
Pete B
saveth...@save.money.too says...
> Pete B wrote:
> > In article <dN-dnbhUQI9Am2vX...@supernews.com>,
> > saveth...@savemoney.too says...
> >
> >>> It didn't imply anything except he wanted to talk to her - we can guess
> >>> about what is going to happen. Take a soap (any soap) what is the most
> >>> likely scenario there? it probably is here as well.
> >>
> >> Hmmm...which soap had the guy whose body is possessed periodically by
> >> the woman's husband???
> >
> > *plonk*
>
>
> Oh c'mon. You whine
I haven't.
> about scientific stuff not being plausible but think
> humans have to been robots??? Chripes.
I got tired of you being an utter moron. Now stop changing your fake
email
Legend11
>
>>
>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife
>> already has something going on between them.
>
Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed it
was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly
before? :/
I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his
revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he
briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were
making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be
Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
--
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'Bones' McCoy, Star Trek (2009).
jill
Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> found these unused words:
>>
>>>
>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife
>>> already has something going on between them.
>>
>
>Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed it
>was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly
>before? :/
>
>I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his
>revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he
>briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were
>making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be
>Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
>
Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other
hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back
and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be
Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it.
I am confused why no one wants Rush to 'stone' back to Earth. Maybe
he _will_ want to stay back there. So? I would think that sending him
back would be a _good_ thing (that or spacing him. I really dislike
that character and don't think it is necessary for the show that he be
such a pompous, arrogant, self centered twit. It detracts from the
flow of the story when he gets like that because I am so put off by
him. I didn't even dislike Baltar that much and I know they are trying
to make some sort of parallel). Heck, have him switch with someone else
who knows just as much about the ancients if that is what they are
worried about.
Does anyone else wish they would have moose antlers to help the
characters clue into who is who when they are using the stones? I
feel sorry for the people who come up to Young/Telford and are all
flustered trying to figure it out.
All in all, however, the show isn't getting worse. It isn't great,
it's not even going to get up to the level of Atlantis at this rate,
but it's still worth watching and I _am_ slowly figuring out who is
who.
Jill
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Anim8rFSK
ji...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
> It isn't great,
> it's not even going to get up to the level of Atlantis at this rate
Okay, that was just mean. :)
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Harold Groot
>Does anyone else wish they would have moose antlers to help the
>characters clue into who is who when they are using the stones? I
>feel sorry for the people who come up to Young/Telford and are all
>flustered trying to figure it out.
Sorry, that would make sense. That means it's not eligible to
actually be done.
Similarly, they must have several "not very important" people on
Destiny that should be the ones routinely going back to earth via the
stones. They should keep all the competent people on Destiny doing
vital work and use the "not very important" people to bring in MORE
competent people to help out with the vital work.
Oh, a direct report now and then, sure. "Shore Leave" equivalent to
keep up morale, yeah, some of that too. But for the most part bring
in the fully competent doctor to treat people who are injured, bring
in the language experts who can translate Ancient and label things
without getting things backwards and so on.
And yes, have BIG NAME TAGS or the equivalent to identify just who is
who and DIRECT ORDERS TO WEAR THEM AT ALL TIMES. If someone goes
around impersonating someone else it should be a Court Martial offense
just for the impersonation (and maybe additional charges for what was
DONE while impersonating someone, depending on what happened).
And they should definitely have rules about not abusing the host body.
They don't have to spell it all out - just a single line of dialog
(that references the fact that such rules exist) would be fine for
now. But so far what they're SHOWING is complete disregard for the
host body.
Anim8rFSK
que...@infionline.net (Harold Groot) wrote:
> Similarly, they must have several "not very important" people on
> Destiny that should be the ones routinely going back to earth via the
> stones. They should keep all the competent people on Destiny doing
> vital work and use the "not very important" people to bring in MORE
> competent people to help out with the vital work.
That's the argument about "why the hell don't they bring in a real
doctor?"
whodunit
> TB wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 12:11 pm, "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> news:MPG.255fd8377...@74.209.131.10...
>>>
>>>> In article <POydnU2d8frtKmjXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@supernews.com>,
>>>> georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
>>>>> "Earth"
>>>>> 11-6-09 SGU
>>>>> 5 stars (Daybreak)
>>>>> 0-1 stars (Revelations)
>>>>> -George
>>>> 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera
>>> And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. I
>>> loved
>>> how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was
>>> going to
>>> blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped the
>>> moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And of
>>> course
>>> Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the
>>> surface it
>>> appears Rush is being helpful.
>>>
>>> were
>>> articulated by Telford.
>>
>> When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did he
>> find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she react?
>>
>> Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits to
>> his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet ANOTHER
>> body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and
>> accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise a
>> password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in
>> whatever body he occupies.
>
> already has something going on between them.
No, it didn't. It implied that someone in Telford's body came to visit
her. Maybe it was Young and we were just seeing Telford through Emily's
eyes...
If something was going on between them, I would think she would have
jumped into his arms immediately upon seeing him there.
Ken Arromdee
Harold Groot <que...@infionline.net> wrote:
>And yes, have BIG NAME TAGS or the equivalent to identify just who is
>who and DIRECT ORDERS TO WEAR THEM AT ALL TIMES. If someone goes
>around impersonating someone else it should be a Court Martial offense
>just for the impersonation (and maybe additional charges for what was
>DONE while impersonating someone, depending on what happened).
The problem is that when people act like professionals, there's less conflict,
which makes it harder to write shows. Yet in this situation they
*should* act like professionals. (The people on the ship, of course, are
mostly not professionals, but that's no excuse--it's the people running
things on Earth who need to be professionals.)
And I believe impersonating someone to have sex (as implied at the very end)
is considered rape.
Also, I don't see why the mother couldn't have been told her son is on a
spaceship. Sure, she wouldn't believe it. O'Neill could beam her onto a
starship, you know, and demonstrate that that stuff is real.
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Obi-wan Kenobi: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
Yoda: "Do or do not. There is no 'try'."
whodunit
They had a main character possessed by Satan several years ago, anything
goes with that soap!
Dragon Lady
"Ken Arromdee" <arro...@rahul.net> wrote in message
news:hd7qlk$5l9$1...@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <4af74e6e...@news.west.earthlink.net>,
> Harold Groot <que...@infionline.net> wrote:
>>And yes, have BIG NAME TAGS or the equivalent to identify just who is
>>who and DIRECT ORDERS TO WEAR THEM AT ALL TIMES. If someone goes
>>around impersonating someone else it should be a Court Martial offense
>>just for the impersonation (and maybe additional charges for what was
>>DONE while impersonating someone, depending on what happened).
>
> The problem is that when people act like professionals, there's less
> conflict,
> which makes it harder to write shows. Yet in this situation they
> *should* act like professionals. (The people on the ship, of course, are
> mostly not professionals, but that's no excuse--it's the people running
> things on Earth who need to be professionals.)
>
> And I believe impersonating someone to have sex (as implied at the very
> end)
> is considered rape.
>
> Also, I don't see why the mother couldn't have been told her son is on a
> spaceship. Sure, she wouldn't believe it. O'Neill could beam her onto a
> starship, you know, and demonstrate that that stuff is real.
Maybe she couldn't pass the screening. Security clearance, you know.
Thanatos
arro...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
> And I believe impersonating someone to have sex (as implied at
> the very end) is considered rape.
Not under any penal code I'm aware of.
Arthur Lipscomb
"Thanatos" <atr...@mac.com> wrote in message
news:atropos-36DE08...@news.giganews.com...
There are a lot of penal codes out there. The California Penal Code for
example "...Where a person submits under the belief that the person
committing the act is the victim's spouse, and this belief is induced
by any artifice, pretense, or concealment practiced by the accused, with
intent to induce the belief."
Dimensional Traveler
Command according to the wall decoration in the last episode) "secret"
has gotten more than a bit ridiculous.
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Thanatos
"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
You need to provide context for this. Cite the actual chapter and
section of the code, please.
Ken Arromdee
Dragon Lady <dragon...@q.com> wrote:
>> Also, I don't see why the mother couldn't have been told her son is on a
>> spaceship. Sure, she wouldn't believe it. O'Neill could beam her onto a
>> starship, you know, and demonstrate that that stuff is real.
>Maybe she couldn't pass the screening. Security clearance, you know.
They say that he doesn't have to tell her. Which implies that he's *allowed*
to tell her.
PV
>Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife
>already has something going on between them.
I didn't think it meant that at all. I think Telford is trying to pretend
that he's Young. *
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Dano
> A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> writes:
>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's
>> wife already has something going on between them.
>
> I didn't think it meant that at all. I think Telford is trying to
> pretend that he's Young. *
I took it to be deliberately left open to interpretation. I thought it
could be easily be either. My own guess is that Telford is having an affair
with her...just because it adds to the drama...or maybe melodrama would be
more accurate.
Tim Bruening
A Watcher wrote:
> TB wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 12:11 pm, "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
> > wrote:
> >> "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:MPG.255fd8377...@74.209.131.10...
> >>
> >>> In article <POydnU2d8frtKmjXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@supernews.com>,
> >>> georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
> >>>> "Earth"
> >>>> 11-6-09 SGU
> >>>> 5 stars (Daybreak)
> >>>> 0-1 stars (Revelations)
> >>>> -George
> >>> 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera
> >> And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. I loved
> >> how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was going to
> >> blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped the
> >> moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And of course
> >> Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the surface it
> >> appears Rush is being helpful.
> >>
> >> Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and Young were
> >> articulated by Telford.
> >
> > When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did he
> > find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she react?
> >
> > Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits to
> > his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet ANOTHER
> > body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and
> > accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise a
> > password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in
> > whatever body he occupies.
>
> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife
> already has something going on between them.
Did that start BEFORE the great reconcilliation?
Tim Bruening
Dan Lanciani wrote:
> In article <dfe3a942-6da9-44a9...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us (TB) writes:
> | On Nov 7, 12:11 pm, "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
> | wrote:
> | > "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> | >
> | > news:MPG.255fd8377...@74.209.131.10...
> | >
> | > > In article <POydnU2d8frtKmjXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@supernews.com>,
> | > > georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
> | > >> "Earth"
> | > >> 11-6-09 SGU
> | >
> | > >> 5 stars (Daybreak)
> | >
> | > >> 0-1 stars (Revelations)
> | >
> | > >> -George
> | >
> | > > 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera
> | >
> | > And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. I loved
> | > how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was going to
> | > blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped the
> | > moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And of course
> | > Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the surface it
> | > appears Rush is being helpful.
> |
> | Rush also said that he had put safeguards in place to prevent any
> | danger.
>
> to prevent any danger of his having to return to Earth, that is...
He would also want to prevent any danger of the ship exploding, since he's ON it!
Tim Bruening
Legend11 wrote:
> A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> found these unused words:
> >
> >>
> >> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife
> >> already has something going on between them.
> >
>
> Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed it
> was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly
> before? :/
>
> I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his
> revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he
> briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were
> making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be
> Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
Emily and Everett need to set up a password so that she can make certain that
its him in Telford's body!
Tim Bruening
Harold Groot wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:28:04 -0600, ji...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
>
> >Does anyone else wish they would have moose antlers to help the
> >characters clue into who is who when they are using the stones? I
> >feel sorry for the people who come up to Young/Telford and are all
> >flustered trying to figure it out.
>
> Sorry, that would make sense. That means it's not eligible to
> actually be done.
>
> Similarly, they must have several "not very important" people on
> Destiny that should be the ones routinely going back to earth via the
> stones. They should keep all the competent people on Destiny doing
> vital work and use the "not very important" people to bring in MORE
> competent people to help out with the vital work.
>
> Oh, a direct report now and then, sure. "Shore Leave" equivalent to
> keep up morale, yeah, some of that too. But for the most part bring
> in the fully competent doctor to treat people who are injured, bring
> in the language experts who can translate Ancient and label things
> without getting things backwards and so on.
>
> And yes, have BIG NAME TAGS or the equivalent to identify just who is
> who and DIRECT ORDERS TO WEAR THEM AT ALL TIMES. If someone goes
> around impersonating someone else it should be a Court Martial offense
> just for the impersonation (and maybe additional charges for what was
> DONE while impersonating someone, depending on what happened).
I have seen name tags on the bodies of Young and Telford.
> And they should definitely have rules about not abusing the host body.
> They don't have to spell it all out - just a single line of dialog
> (that references the fact that such rules exist) would be fine for
> now. But so far what they're SHOWING is complete disregard for the
> host body.
I predict that such rules will be written soon in light of Chloe getting
drunk in another woman's body.
Tim Bruening
Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
Has that ever happened?
Tim Bruening
je.s...@hehxduhmp.org wrote:
> In rec.arts.sf.tv DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > I thought it implied he was about to start something.
>
> Exactly. I took that scene to mean that he was going to start pretending
> to be Young
That can't last long. Eventually, Everett Young will pay Emily a visit and
hear her comment on "visits" he made that he doesn't remember. At that
point, he will realize that Telford has been sneaking around with Emily, and
set up a password system to enable her to tell Everett and Telford apart.
Tim Bruening
"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote:
> "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com> found these unused words:
> Of course, ratings time, Leave it to the prurient interest of the clods
> viewing to imagine more ...
>
> If you knew Mary like ...
Mary Russ?
Thanatos
arro...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
> In article <atropos-76F08B...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
> Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> >> And I believe impersonating someone to have sex (as implied at
> >> >> the very end) is considered rape.
> >> > Not under any penal code I'm aware of.
> >> There are a lot of penal codes out there. The California Penal Code for
> >> example "...Where a person submits under the belief that the person
> >> committing the act is the victim's spouse, and this belief is induced
> >> by any artifice, pretense, or concealment practiced by the accused, with
> >> intent to induce the belief."
> >You need to provide context for this. Cite the actual chapter and
> >section of the code, please.
>
> http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/9/1/s261
>
> Honestly, what context do you think this could possibly have which makes it
> not say what the words say?
Well, I can see a huge constitutional problem with this statute just
from the first section where it basically says that if your spouse
forces sex you, it's not rape.
Second, after reading through the entire section, it's clear that the
part you quoted isn't an impersonation section, but rather a fraud
section relating to bigamy.
It would be impossible to make impersonation equivalent to rape.
A guy picks up a girl at a bar and she sleeps with him because he gave
her the impression he's a rich commodities trader, but she later finds
out he's really a poor struggling artist. Can she now claim rape because
he "impersonated" a rich guy and, she being the gold-digger that she is,
she would never have slept with him if she'd known he was poor? Or what
if he's a very light-skinned black man and doesn't tell her and she
sleeps with him believing he's white. She's racist and would never
knowingly sleep with a black man. Rape-by-impersonation? Yes? No?
The permutations on this are endless and would be both impossible to
legally define and an unconstitutional restriction on personal liberty.
Tim Bruening
Thanatos wrote:
> In article <hd97m2$s4b$2...@blue.rahul.net>,
> arro...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
>
> > In article <atropos-76F08B...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
> > Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> > >> >> And I believe impersonating someone to have sex (as implied at
> > >> >> the very end) is considered rape.
> > >> > Not under any penal code I'm aware of.
> > >> There are a lot of penal codes out there. The California Penal Code for
> > >> example "...Where a person submits under the belief that the person
> > >> committing the act is the victim's spouse, and this belief is induced
> > >> by any artifice, pretense, or concealment practiced by the accused, with
> > >> intent to induce the belief."
> > >You need to provide context for this. Cite the actual chapter and
> > >section of the code, please.
> >
> > http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/9/1/s261
> >
> > Honestly, what context do you think this could possibly have which makes it
> > not say what the words say?
>
> Well, I can see a huge constitutional problem with this statute just
> from the first section where it basically says that if your spouse
> forces sex you, it's not rape.
I figure that the first sections means that if a woman consents to sex believing
that you are her husband, and that you did something to further that impression,
and that she would not have consented if she had known you were not her hubby,
you are guilty of rape.
>
>
> Second, after reading through the entire section, it's clear that the
> part you quoted isn't an impersonation section, but rather a fraud
> section relating to bigamy.
Telford sleeping with Emily would amount to bigamy.
PV
>It would be impossible to make impersonation equivalent to rape.
Nonsense. Let's give a for example - a burglar sneaks into your house,
catches you up for a latenight snack, knocks you out, and then has sex with
your wife, her having no idea it isn't you because it's pitch black in the
room and he didn't say anything.
Even if there's no force and no overt violence, it's still rape. Probably
quite rare, but I'd bet money it's happened. *
PV
>That's was all old men try.
>Haven;t anything else going for them!
>Who's 'going' for you?
Dude, I don't know what the fuck you're on, but please take it someplace
where you don't have access to usenet. *
Dimensional Traveler
Thanatos
pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> writes:
> >It would be impossible to make impersonation equivalent to rape.
>
> Nonsense. Let's give a for example - a burglar sneaks into your house,
> catches you up for a latenight snack, knocks you out, and then has sex with
> your wife, her having no idea it isn't you because it's pitch black in the
> room and he didn't say anything.
That wouldn't be impersonation, either. The perpetrator didn't
impersonate anyone. He just started having sex with someone. He didn't
affirmatively claim to be someone he's not, which is an essential
element of impersonation in every penal code I've ever seen.
Fallen
> TB wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:MPG.255fd8377...@74.209.131.10...
>>>
>>>> In article <POydnU2d8frtKmjXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@supernews.com>,
>>>> georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
>>>>
>>>>> "Earth"
>>>>> 11-6-09 SGU
>>>>> 5 stars (Daybreak)
>>>>> 0-1 stars (Revelations)
>>>>> -George
>>>>
>>>> 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera
>>>
>>> And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. I
>>> loved
>>> how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was
>>> going to
>>> blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped the
>>> moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And of
>>> course
>>> Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the
>>> surface it
>>> appears Rush is being helpful.
>>>
>>> were
>>> articulated by Telford.
>>
>>
>> When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did he
>> find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she react?
>>
>> Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits to
>> his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet ANOTHER
>> body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and
>> accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise a
>> password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in
>> whatever body he occupies.
>
>
> already has something going on between them.
Where are people seeing this implication, or the other suggested one
that he is going to sleep with her?
All I saw was him calling on her, I assumes he was just going to have
words about abusing his damn body while he was elsewhere. He didn't look
very pleased to me.
Fallen.
Harold Groot
Most likely it came about when one person impersonated his or her twin
in order have sex with the spouse of the twin. I have heard of such
cases third hand or so (so I can't give you an exact cite), but human
nature being what it is I'm confident it has happened.
Gisele
>| > > In article <POydnU2d8frtKmjXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@supernews.com>,
>| > > georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
>| > >> "Earth"
>| > >> 11-6-09 SGU
>| >
>| > >> 5 stars (Daybreak)
>| >
>| > >> 0-1 stars (Revelations)
>| >
>| > >> -George
>| >
Never got the original of this post so posting my grade here.
2.5
Gisele
Tim Bruening
Fallen wrote:
Then Everett will have to make a deal with Telford whereby Telford would allow
Everett to use his body for sex. In return, Everett might have to agree to
let Telford boink Emily, and also testify on Telford's behalf about how Dr.
Rush sabotaged the "using a star's energy to dial Earth" test.
It seems to me that Everett and Emily owe Telford a huge favor for enabling
them to meet. Its only fair that Telford get some benefit from enabling
Everett and Emily to have flings.
Tim Bruening
Harold Groot wrote:
I once read of a man's brother emulating him to have sex with the man's wife. The
wife claimed that she couldn't tell the difference since it was dark and the two
men were very similar.
Tim Bruening
Tim Bruening wrote:
One big problem I can foresee is how to get negotiations over such a deal
started. Who would have the guts to propose such a deal?
Thanatos
que...@infionline.net (Harold Groot) wrote:
What amuses me is that it's only a crime in California if it's a matter
of the twin pretending to be the wife's HUSBAND. If there was no
marriage involved-- if the twin was pretending to be his brother in
order to bang his brother's girlfriend-- then there's no crime.
Then there's this definition of rape at the top of the penal code
section:
Rape is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with
a person not the spouse of the perpetrator, under any
of the following circumstances...
Here we have supposedly progressive California's view toward rape-- that
if the forced sex occurs between one spouse and the other, it's not rape.
Seems like a pretty medieval approach to the law.
Arthur Lipscomb
Any productive discussion of California law would require the participants
to be familiar with it; both the statutes *and* the case law. I'm going
back to my long standing rule of not discussing legal topics here. So this
will be my last post on this topic. But since I don't feel comfortable
leaving out there the notion that it's legal for one spouse to rape the
other.
CA Penal Code 262
(a) Rape of a person who is the spouse of the perpetrator is
an act of sexual intercourse accomplished under any of the following
circumstances:
(1) Where it is accomplished against a person's will by means of
force, violence, duress, menace, or fear of immediate and unlawful
bodily injury on the person or another.
(2) Where a person is prevented from resisting by any intoxicating
or anesthetic substance, or any controlled substance, and this
condition was known, or reasonably should have been known, by the
accused.
(3) Where a person is at the time unconscious of the nature of the
act, and this is known to the accused. As used in this paragraph,
"unconscious of the nature of the act" means incapable of resisting
because the victim meets one of the following conditions:
(A) Was unconscious or asleep.
(B) Was not aware, knowing, perceiving, or cognizant that the act
occurred.
(C) Was not aware, knowing, perceiving, or cognizant of the
essential characteristics of the act due to the perpetrator's fraud
in fact.
(4) Where the act is accomplished against the victim's will by
threatening to retaliate in the future against the victim or any
other person, and there is a reasonable possibility that the
perpetrator will execute the threat. As used in this paragraph,
"threatening to retaliate" means a threat to kidnap or falsely
imprison, or to inflict extreme pain, serious bodily injury, or
death.
(5) Where the act is accomplished against the victim's will by
threatening to use the authority of a public official to incarcerate,
arrest, or deport the victim or another, and the victim has a
reasonable belief that the perpetrator is a public official. As used
in this paragraph, "public official" means a person employed by a
governmental agency who has the authority, as part of that position,
to incarcerate, arrest, or deport another. The perpetrator does not
actually have to be a public official.
(b) As used in this section, "duress" means a direct or implied
threat of force, violence, danger, or retribution sufficient to
coerce a reasonable person of ordinary susceptibilities to perform an
act which otherwise would not have been performed, or acquiesce in
an act to which one otherwise would not have submitted. The total
circumstances, including the age of the victim, and his or her
relationship to the defendant, are factors to consider in apprising
the existence of duress.
(c) As used in this section, "menace" means any threat,
declaration, or act that shows an intention to inflict an injury upon
another.
(d) If probation is granted upon conviction of a violation of this
section, the conditions of probation may include, in lieu of a fine,
one or both of the following requirements:
(1) That the defendant make payments to a battered women's
shelter, up to a maximum of one thousand dollars ($1,000).
(2) That the defendant reimburse the victim for reasonable costs
of counseling and other reasonable expenses that the court finds are
the direct result of the defendant's offense.
For any order to pay a fine, make payments to a battered women's
shelter, or pay restitution as a condition of probation under this
subdivision, the court shall make a determination of the defendant's
ability to pay. In no event shall any order to make payments to a
battered women's shelter be made if it would impair the ability of
the defendant to pay direct restitution to the victim or
court-ordered child support. Where the injury to a married person is
caused in whole or in part by the criminal acts of his or her spouse
in violation of this section, the community property may not be used
to discharge the liability of the offending spouse for restitution to
the injured spouse, required by Section 1203.04, as operative on or
before August 2, 1995, or Section 1202.4, or to a shelter for costs
with regard to the injured spouse and dependents, required by this
section, until all separate property of the offending spouse is
exhausted.
rwgibson13
Or inform her that she may now have a sexually-transmitted disease :-)
RWG (damn body-swiping perverts can't keep my dick in my pants)
TBerk
> And I believe impersonating someone to have sex (as implied at the very end)
> is considered rape.
>
I believe that is considered *fraud*, not rape. And yes, in _spite_ of
sex taking place.
berk
TBerk
> Thanatos wrote:
> > In article <hd97m2$s4...@blue.rahul.net>,
> > arrom...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
>
> > > In article <atropos-76F08B.08032409112...@news-wc.giganews.com>,
Wouldn't that be ADULTERY?
berk
cf
> In article <4af74e6e...@news.west.earthlink.net>,
> Harold Groot <que...@infionline.net> wrote:
>> And yes, have BIG NAME TAGS or the equivalent to identify just who is
>> who and DIRECT ORDERS TO WEAR THEM AT ALL TIMES. If someone goes
>> around impersonating someone else it should be a Court Martial offense
>> just for the impersonation (and maybe additional charges for what was
>> DONE while impersonating someone, depending on what happened).
>
> which makes it harder to write shows. Yet in this situation they
> *should* act like professionals. (The people on the ship, of course, are
> mostly not professionals, but that's no excuse--it's the people running
> things on Earth who need to be professionals.)
>
> And I believe impersonating someone to have sex (as implied at the very end)
> is considered rape.
>
> spaceship. Sure, she wouldn't believe it. O'Neill could beam her onto a
> starship, you know, and demonstrate that that stuff is real.
let her use the stones to visit Eli on Destiny.
Thanatos
<bc9232e3-0d98-4a53...@u25g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
TBerk <bayar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 5:18�pm, arrom...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
>
> > And I believe impersonating someone to have sex (as implied at the very end)
> > is considered rape.
> >
>
> I believe that is considered *fraud*, not rape. And yes, in spite of
> sex taking place.
Fraud requires a monetary loss and since prostitution is illegal, the
state's position is that sex is valueless...
Tim Bruening
jill wrote:
> In article <hd5klr$vci$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> found these unused words:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife
> >>> already has something going on between them.
> >>
> >
> >Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed it
> >was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly
> >before? :/
> >
> >I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his
> >revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he
> >briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were
> >making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be
> >Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
> >
> >Legend11.
>
> Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other
> hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back
> and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be
> Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it.
I see a dilemma for Everett Young: He wants to visit his wife, but won't want
to let Telford on board the Destiny! Therefore, Young will have to use some
other man as a host, so his wife will have to get used to him in yet another
body! Everett and Emily had better agree to a password so that she can
authenticate him in whatever body he uses!
Dragon Lady
What about in Nevada?
Dragon Lady
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4AF92EA4...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
Why don't they just stay celibate?
Tim Bruening
Dragon Lady wrote:
That would be bad for Everett Young's morale. Morale is very important in this
situation.
Tim Bruening
Dragon Lady wrote:
Everett just reconciled with his wife. You expect him to not make love with
her?????
Tim Bruening
Dragon Lady wrote:
If Everett isn't allowed to have sex with his wife, he might succumb to
that medic/slut he's trapped on Destiny with.
Jette Goldie
it's ok - his girlfriend is aboard Destiny. (which may explain why
Emily is so p'd off)
--
Jette Goldie
jette....@gmail.com
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whodunit
>
> Harold Groot wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:28:04 -0600, ji...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone else wish they would have moose antlers to help the
>>> characters clue into who is who when they are using the stones? I
>>> feel sorry for the people who come up to Young/Telford and are all
>>> flustered trying to figure it out.
>> Sorry, that would make sense. That means it's not eligible to
>> actually be done.
>>
>> Similarly, they must have several "not very important" people on
>> Destiny that should be the ones routinely going back to earth via the
>> stones. They should keep all the competent people on Destiny doing
>> vital work and use the "not very important" people to bring in MORE
>> competent people to help out with the vital work.
>>
>> Oh, a direct report now and then, sure. "Shore Leave" equivalent to
>> keep up morale, yeah, some of that too. But for the most part bring
>> in the fully competent doctor to treat people who are injured, bring
>> in the language experts who can translate Ancient and label things
>> without getting things backwards and so on.
>>
>> And yes, have BIG NAME TAGS or the equivalent to identify just who is
>> who and DIRECT ORDERS TO WEAR THEM AT ALL TIMES. If someone goes
>> around impersonating someone else it should be a Court Martial offense
>> just for the impersonation (and maybe additional charges for what was
>> DONE while impersonating someone, depending on what happened).
>
>
>> And they should definitely have rules about not abusing the host body.
>> They don't have to spell it all out - just a single line of dialog
>> (that references the fact that such rules exist) would be fine for
>> now. But so far what they're SHOWING is complete disregard for the
>> host body.
>
> I predict that such rules will be written soon in light of Chloe getting
> drunk in another woman's body.
>
Anyone else see the connections between the Goa'uld parasites/host
bodies, and the Ancient stones facilitating 'possession' of host bodies?
Hmm. I just noticed that, let me think about it some more.
whodunit
>
> je.s...@hehxduhmp.org wrote:
>
>> In rec.arts.sf.tv DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> I thought it implied he was about to start something.
>> Exactly. I took that scene to mean that he was going to start pretending
>> to be Young
>
> That can't last long. Eventually, Everett Young will pay Emily a visit and
> hear her comment on "visits" he made that he doesn't remember. At that
> point, he will realize that Telford has been sneaking around with Emily, and
> set up a password system to enable her to tell Everett and Telford apart.
>
Forget that! There's going to be fisticuffs, mark my words!
Well, if Young ever gets back to Earth...Telford is safe for now, unless
before a transfer, Young has his body tied up or put in the brig, so
that Telford's visit is a waste of time and energy!
whodunit
I rewatched the episode yesterday--Telford DID look extremely
uncomfortable when Emily opened the door. Perhaps he WILL do the
honest thing and tell her what happened. I predict that once they
get past the awkwardness of the whole situation, Telford and Emily
will become friends, then romantically entangled but will try to fight
that for Young's sake. Talk about complications!