> >> >>> > "anim8rFSK" <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >>> > > You sound like you want Squaw Peak back!
> >> >>> > Anything that is easier to spell/pronounce should be favored.
> >> >>> Yeah, they didn't do themselves any favors with that stupid > >> >>> replacement
> >> >>> name did they?
> >> >> The "stupid replacement name" was for Lori Piestewa, a Hopi who was
> >> >> killed in 2003 in the Iraq War.
> >> >Yep...and 'Squaw Peak' is a much better sounding name than 'Piestawa > >> >Peak'.
> >> I know nothing about this, but Piestawa Peak sounds pretty good!
> > Except nobody can pronounce or spell it, and it's the name of a bunch of
> > stuff other than the peak itself, including a freeway.
> Yep...and the whole scenario for the renaming made about as much sense as if > someone were to claim that the 'Atlanta Braves' was a name that disparaged
Remember when Jane Fonda got caught doing the racist Tomahawk Chop?
> American Indians, so from this point forward the baseball team would be > called the Atlanta Piestewas.
Yep. This silly old Indian claimed he remembered when the white settlers first came to Arizona, and used Squaw as an insult ... uh, this guy was like 80. He might barely remember WW1. He doesn't remember 3 or 4 centuries ago! And the whole 'squaw as an insult' bit seems to be thoroughly debunked.
-- "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
> >> >>> > "anim8rFSK" <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >>> > > You sound like you want Squaw Peak back!
> >> >>> > Anything that is easier to spell/pronounce should be favored.
> >> >>> Yeah, they didn't do themselves any favors with that stupid > >> >>> replacement
> >> >>> name did they?
> >> >> The "stupid replacement name" was for Lori Piestewa, a Hopi who was
> >> >> killed in 2003 in the Iraq War.
> >> >Yep...and 'Squaw Peak' is a much better sounding name than 'Piestawa > >> >Peak'.
> >> I know nothing about this, but Piestawa Peak sounds pretty good!
> >Except nobody can pronounce or spell it, and it's the name of a bunch of > >stuff other than the peak itself, including a freeway.
> Yeah, well, at least she is worthy of having something named after her. In
> Atlanta, they rename streets that have had the same name since they were
> built after obscure black politicians, including an attempt to name a
> street after the mayor's mother-in-law (which got shouted down).
And they never give a damn how much it actually costs everyone who lives on these streets every time they do one of those politically-correct renamings.
I thought it was hilarious in Austin, when they caved under the pressure to name a street after Martin Luther King (because any city that doesn't have one is per se racist, dontcha know), they renamed one Martin Luther King Way, which everyone ended up shortening to MLK Way, which then further morphed into Milky Way in everyday parlance, and now the entire politically-correct purpose for renaming the street has been nullified.
> > >> >>> > "anim8rFSK" <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >> >>> > > You sound like you want Squaw Peak back!
> > >> >>> > Anything that is easier to spell/pronounce should be favored.
> > >> >>> Yeah, they didn't do themselves any favors with that stupid > > >> >>> replacement
> > >> >>> name did they?
> > >> >> The "stupid replacement name" was for Lori Piestewa, a Hopi who was
> > >> >> killed in 2003 in the Iraq War.
> > >> >Yep...and 'Squaw Peak' is a much better sounding name than 'Piestawa > > >> >Peak'.
> > >> I know nothing about this, but Piestawa Peak sounds pretty good!
> > >Except nobody can pronounce or spell it, and it's the name of a bunch of > > >stuff other than the peak itself, including a freeway.
> > Yeah, well, at least she is worthy of having something named after her. In
> > Atlanta, they rename streets that have had the same name since they were
> > built after obscure black politicians, including an attempt to name a
> > street after the mayor's mother-in-law (which got shouted down).
> And they never give a damn how much it actually costs everyone who lives > on these streets every time they do one of those politically-correct > renamings.
> I thought it was hilarious in Austin, when they caved under the pressure > to name a street after Martin Luther King (because any city that doesn't > have one is per se racist, dontcha know), they renamed one Martin Luther > King Way, which everyone ended up shortening to MLK Way, which then > further morphed into Milky Way in everyday parlance, and now the entire > politically-correct purpose for renaming the street has been nullified.
Yeah, we had a lot of pressure here to have an Honorable Reverend Martin Luther King Junior Memorial Drive or something, and of course it had to be a major street or it was an insult, and the people that would have had to live and work on it were like "what the Hell, and how are we even going to get that onto our business cards!?!?"
Then we got stuck with a 'menu system' for the MLK holiday, where they added an extra holiday and government employees had to choose 7 out of 8 (or whatever) and nobody, count 'em, NOBODY took MLK day (even if YOU wanted it, nobody else you knew would have it off) so the next year they FORCED you to take MLK day and 6 other choices.
-- "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
>> There was also a lot of question about the reality of what happened in >> the
>> Iraq incident. The army lied and said that the unit was under a massive
>> military attack from Iraqi's and the women fought off their enemies for >> an
>> extended period of time. It was only much later that they admitted that
>> that account of the story was fabricated by the Army propaganda machine >> and
>> that the injured/dead were mostly (maybe entirely) the result of
>> panic/vehicle accident.
> Great. So we renamed the Squaw Peak Parkway after a vehicle accident
> victim??
> >> There was also a lot of question about the reality of what happened in > >> the
> >> Iraq incident. The army lied and said that the unit was under a massive
> >> military attack from Iraqi's and the women fought off their enemies for > >> an
> >> extended period of time. It was only much later that they admitted that
> >> that account of the story was fabricated by the Army propaganda machine > >> and
> >> that the injured/dead were mostly (maybe entirely) the result of
> >> panic/vehicle accident.
> > Great. So we renamed the Squaw Peak Parkway after a vehicle accident
> > victim??
> Yes...and did I mention that she was driving?
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-- "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
>> >> There was also a lot of question about the reality of what happened in >> >> the
>> >> Iraq incident. The army lied and said that the unit was under a massive
>> >> military attack from Iraqi's and the women fought off their enemies for >> >> an
>> >> extended period of time. It was only much later that they admitted that
>> >> that account of the story was fabricated by the Army propaganda machine >> >> and
>> >> that the injured/dead were mostly (maybe entirely) the result of
>> >> panic/vehicle accident.
>> > Great. So we renamed the Squaw Peak Parkway after a vehicle accident
>> > victim??
>> Yes...and did I mention that she was driving?
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>desk
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Yeah, well, it's still better than Maynard Jackson's mother-in-law!
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:15:35 -0500, David wrote:
> "Let s peel away the layers of this tacky, racist onion," she wrote.
> "For one, Ms. Kloss has no business wearing a war bonnet at all. Not
> only is she not Native, she hasn t earned the honor. Among my people,
> the Oceti Sakowin (Sioux), war bonnets are exclusively worn by men,
> and each feather within a war bonnet is symbolic of a brave act of
> valor accomplished by that man. Not just any Tom, Dick or Harry had
> the privilege of wearing a war bonnet. Who wears a war bonnet? Tatanka
> Iyotanka, Sitting Bull. Not a no-account waif paid to prance around on
> stage in her underwear."
First of all, it's rather ironic to charge someone else with racism, and
then promptly assert something sexist, such as that some honor should only
be reserved to men.
Adding to that, that position is ridiculous. The little bits of colored
confetti on modern military uniforms have the same function, with each
being symbolic of some award for valor or similar. But nobody kicks up a
fuss about "stolen valor" when an actor wears a uniform with that stuff for
some war movie or alien invasion flick or suchlike. We recognize that
context matters -- and wearing a costume on stage or for the camera, in
particular, is a very different context from wearing something at the
tribal council or on the military base or whatever.
