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David
Nov 12, 2012, 10:15:35 PM11/12/12
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fash-track/victorias-secret-native-american-costume-389580
Victoria's Secret Yanks Native American Costume From Broadcast
by THR Staff
Victoria's Secret has pulled footage of a model wearing a Native
American headdress from the upcoming broadcast of its annual fashion
show after several groups complained.
In the fashion show, which took place Nov. 7 and will air Dec. 4 on
CBS, Karlie Kloss modeled a leopard-print lingerie set while wearing
the headdress, also known as a war bonnet, along with turquoise
jewelry and fringe-adorned heels.
On her blog Native Appropriations, which covers the way indigenous
cultures are portrayed in pop culture, blogger Adrienne K. wrote that
Victoria's Secret was guilty of "egregious cultural appropriation,
stereotyping and marginalizing of Native peoples."
Meanwhile, Indian Country columnist Ruth Hopkins wrote that she was
"livid" about the company's "mean-spirited, disrespectful
trivialization of my blood ancestry and the proud Native identity I
work hard to instill in my children." She also called for a boycott of
the company and went on to explain why the incident was offensive.
"Let’s peel away the layers of this tacky, racist onion," she wrote.
"For one, Ms. Kloss has no business wearing a war bonnet at all. Not
only is she not Native, she hasn’t earned the honor. Among my people,
the Oceti Sakowin (Sioux), war bonnets are exclusively worn by men,
and each feather within a war bonnet is symbolic of a brave act of
valor accomplished by that man. Not just any Tom, Dick or Harry had
the privilege of wearing a war bonnet. Who wears a war bonnet? Tatanka
Iyotanka, Sitting Bull. Not a no-account waif paid to prance around on
stage in her underwear."
Over the weekend, Victoria's Secret tweeted an apology to its 1.4
million followers and said the footage won't be shown on TV.
"We are sorry that the Native American headdress in our fashion show
has upset individuals," the message read. "The outfit will be removed
from the broadcast."
For her part, Kloss also apologized via Twitter.
"I am deeply sorry if what I wore during the VS Show offended anyone,"
she wrote. "I support VS's decision to remove the outfit from the
broadcast."
Incidentally, the news comes just days after No Doubt pulled the music
video for "Looking Hot" from YouTube after the clip received criticism
for its appropriation of Native American culture.
Although the video has been removed from YouTube, E! Online wrote that
the video featured Stefani in a Halloween-ready Native American
costume, while bassist Tony Kanal is a tribesman who helps the singer
escape from her cowboy captors, played by Adrian Young and Tom Dumont.
There was a teepee, lots of feathers and a general "Wild Wild West"
vibe.
The group later issued an apology.
Rihanna, Justin Bieber and Bruno Mars performed during this year's
Victoria's Secret fashion show, which also included a $2.5 million
"fantasy bra."
Last year's telecast, which featured performances from Maroon 5, Kanye
West, Jay-Z and Nicki Minaj, drew 11.5 million viewers and its best
adults 18-49 and 18-34 ratings to date.
Victoria's Secret Yanks Native American Costume From Broadcast
by THR Staff
Victoria's Secret has pulled footage of a model wearing a Native
American headdress from the upcoming broadcast of its annual fashion
show after several groups complained.
In the fashion show, which took place Nov. 7 and will air Dec. 4 on
CBS, Karlie Kloss modeled a leopard-print lingerie set while wearing
the headdress, also known as a war bonnet, along with turquoise
jewelry and fringe-adorned heels.
On her blog Native Appropriations, which covers the way indigenous
cultures are portrayed in pop culture, blogger Adrienne K. wrote that
Victoria's Secret was guilty of "egregious cultural appropriation,
stereotyping and marginalizing of Native peoples."
Meanwhile, Indian Country columnist Ruth Hopkins wrote that she was
"livid" about the company's "mean-spirited, disrespectful
trivialization of my blood ancestry and the proud Native identity I
work hard to instill in my children." She also called for a boycott of
the company and went on to explain why the incident was offensive.
"Let’s peel away the layers of this tacky, racist onion," she wrote.
"For one, Ms. Kloss has no business wearing a war bonnet at all. Not
only is she not Native, she hasn’t earned the honor. Among my people,
the Oceti Sakowin (Sioux), war bonnets are exclusively worn by men,
and each feather within a war bonnet is symbolic of a brave act of
valor accomplished by that man. Not just any Tom, Dick or Harry had
the privilege of wearing a war bonnet. Who wears a war bonnet? Tatanka
Iyotanka, Sitting Bull. Not a no-account waif paid to prance around on
stage in her underwear."
Over the weekend, Victoria's Secret tweeted an apology to its 1.4
million followers and said the footage won't be shown on TV.
"We are sorry that the Native American headdress in our fashion show
has upset individuals," the message read. "The outfit will be removed
from the broadcast."
For her part, Kloss also apologized via Twitter.
"I am deeply sorry if what I wore during the VS Show offended anyone,"
she wrote. "I support VS's decision to remove the outfit from the
broadcast."
Incidentally, the news comes just days after No Doubt pulled the music
video for "Looking Hot" from YouTube after the clip received criticism
for its appropriation of Native American culture.
Although the video has been removed from YouTube, E! Online wrote that
the video featured Stefani in a Halloween-ready Native American
costume, while bassist Tony Kanal is a tribesman who helps the singer
escape from her cowboy captors, played by Adrian Young and Tom Dumont.
There was a teepee, lots of feathers and a general "Wild Wild West"
vibe.
The group later issued an apology.
Rihanna, Justin Bieber and Bruno Mars performed during this year's
Victoria's Secret fashion show, which also included a $2.5 million
"fantasy bra."
Last year's telecast, which featured performances from Maroon 5, Kanye
West, Jay-Z and Nicki Minaj, drew 11.5 million viewers and its best
adults 18-49 and 18-34 ratings to date.
Professor Bubba
Nov 12, 2012, 11:05:05 PM11/12/12
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In article <5oe3a81hlp6skl64e...@4ax.com>, David
<diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Let’s peel away the layers of this tacky, racist onion," [Ruth
> Hopkins] wrote. "For one, Ms. Kloss has no business wearing a war
understandably offended by the trivialization of her culture and, on
the other, feels free to dismiss the model involved as a "no-account
waif." Presumably she does not know the model, and certainly the model
had nothing to do with the creation of what she was wearing.
I'd never heard of Ruth Hopkins before now, so I have no idea if this
is her "thing."
<diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Let’s peel away the layers of this tacky, racist onion," [Ruth
> Hopkins] wrote. "For one, Ms. Kloss has no business wearing a war
> bonnet at all. Not only is she not Native, she hasn’t earned the
> honor. Among my people, the Oceti Sakowin (Sioux), war bonnets are
> exclusively worn by men, and each feather within a war bonnet is
> symbolic of a brave act of valor accomplished by that man. Not just
> any Tom, Dick or Harry had the privilege of wearing a war bonnet. Who
> wears a war bonnet? Tatanka Iyotanka, Sitting Bull. Not a no-account
> waif paid to prance around on stage in her underwear.
I don't understand the kind of person who, on the one hand, is
> honor. Among my people, the Oceti Sakowin (Sioux), war bonnets are
> exclusively worn by men, and each feather within a war bonnet is
> symbolic of a brave act of valor accomplished by that man. Not just
> any Tom, Dick or Harry had the privilege of wearing a war bonnet. Who
> wears a war bonnet? Tatanka Iyotanka, Sitting Bull. Not a no-account
> waif paid to prance around on stage in her underwear.
understandably offended by the trivialization of her culture and, on
the other, feels free to dismiss the model involved as a "no-account
waif." Presumably she does not know the model, and certainly the model
had nothing to do with the creation of what she was wearing.
I'd never heard of Ruth Hopkins before now, so I have no idea if this
is her "thing."
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Movie Fan
Nov 13, 2012, 7:55:04 AM11/13/12
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On Nov 12, 11:05 pm, Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>
wrote:
> In article <5oe3a81hlp6skl64e4n19v7kgm5a1ic...@4ax.com>, David
The First Amendment allows any people to wear any clothes they want.
wrote:
> In article <5oe3a81hlp6skl64e4n19v7kgm5a1ic...@4ax.com>, David
trotsky
Nov 13, 2012, 8:26:05 AM11/13/12
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On 11/13/12 5:16 AM, PIERACK wrote:
>
> GROW UP PEOPLE! Especially YOU VSC! !! Tell them go away! Bring back the
> video, BRING BACK the Oriental inspired lingerie! ! !
>
> You don't seen nerds and geeks filing complaints about the portrayal on
> TV/movies over similar crap.
>
> Get over it! IT is NOT DISRESPECTFUL, period.
When you have a smokin' hot model displaying her wares it trumps any of
that.
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:15:35 -0500, David wrote:
>
>> Victoria's Secret Yanks Native American Costume From Broadcast by THR
>> Staff
>>
>
> This is the second time for this BS with VSC..this year!
>
>> Victoria's Secret Yanks Native American Costume From Broadcast by THR
>> Staff
>>
>
>
> GROW UP PEOPLE! Especially YOU VSC! !! Tell them go away! Bring back the
> video, BRING BACK the Oriental inspired lingerie! ! !
>
> You don't seen nerds and geeks filing complaints about the portrayal on
> TV/movies over similar crap.
>
> Get over it! IT is NOT DISRESPECTFUL, period.
When you have a smokin' hot model displaying her wares it trumps any of
that.
trotsky
Nov 13, 2012, 8:31:55 AM11/13/12
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multiple accounts.
Obveeus
Nov 13, 2012, 9:11:08 AM11/13/12
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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fash-track/victorias-secret-native-american-costume-389580
>
> Victoria's Secret Yanks Native American Costume From Broadcast
to NO DOUBT having to pull their latest video.
It is time for people to stop listening to Native Americans once and for
all. They can feel free to protect/preserve whatever culture drives many of
them to avoid integrating into American society and becoming productive
citizens (no different than Quakers and such), but this exclusive ownership
of their native symbols stuff is just silly. What is next, demands that a
show like GRIMM (or LONGMIRE) not portray their mythology since only Native
Americans are allowed to even contemplate such things?
anim8rFSK
Nov 13, 2012, 10:15:38 AM11/13/12
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In article <k7tkdt$kek$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:
> "David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fash-track/victorias-secret-native-american
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
wrote:
> "David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fash-track/victorias-secret-native-american
> > -costume-389580
> >
> > Victoria's Secret Yanks Native American Costume From Broadcast
>
> This is the natural followup to the same Native American complaints that led
> to NO DOUBT having to pull their latest video.
>
> It is time for people to stop listening to Native Americans once and for
> all. They can feel free to protect/preserve whatever culture drives many of
> them to avoid integrating into American society and becoming productive
> citizens (no different than Quakers and such), but this exclusive ownership
> of their native symbols stuff is just silly. What is next, demands that a
> show like GRIMM (or LONGMIRE) not portray their mythology since only Native
> Americans are allowed to even contemplate such things?
You sound like you want Squaw Peak back!
> >
> > Victoria's Secret Yanks Native American Costume From Broadcast
>
> This is the natural followup to the same Native American complaints that led
> to NO DOUBT having to pull their latest video.
>
> It is time for people to stop listening to Native Americans once and for
> all. They can feel free to protect/preserve whatever culture drives many of
> them to avoid integrating into American society and becoming productive
> citizens (no different than Quakers and such), but this exclusive ownership
> of their native symbols stuff is just silly. What is next, demands that a
> show like GRIMM (or LONGMIRE) not portray their mythology since only Native
> Americans are allowed to even contemplate such things?
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
BTR1701
Nov 13, 2012, 10:33:20 AM11/13/12
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In article <k7tkdt$kek$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:
> "David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fash-track/victorias-secret-native-american
> > -costume-389580
> >
wrote:
> "David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fash-track/victorias-secret-native-american
> > -costume-389580
> >
> > Victoria's Secret Yanks Native American Costume From Broadcast
>
> This is the natural followup to the same Native American complaints that led
> to NO DOUBT having to pull their latest video.
>
> It is time for people to stop listening to Native Americans once and for
> all. They can feel free to protect/preserve whatever culture drives many of
> them to avoid integrating into American society and becoming productive
> citizens (no different than Quakers and such), but this exclusive ownership
> of their native symbols stuff is just silly. What is next, demands that a
> show like GRIMM (or LONGMIRE) not portray their mythology since only Native
> Americans are allowed to even contemplate such things?
+1
>
> This is the natural followup to the same Native American complaints that led
> to NO DOUBT having to pull their latest video.
>
> It is time for people to stop listening to Native Americans once and for
> all. They can feel free to protect/preserve whatever culture drives many of
> them to avoid integrating into American society and becoming productive
> citizens (no different than Quakers and such), but this exclusive ownership
> of their native symbols stuff is just silly. What is next, demands that a
> show like GRIMM (or LONGMIRE) not portray their mythology since only Native
> Americans are allowed to even contemplate such things?
Obveeus
Nov 13, 2012, 10:32:30 AM11/13/12
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anim8rFSK
Nov 13, 2012, 12:06:50 PM11/13/12
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In article <k7tp6f$inc$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:
Yeah, they didn't do themselves any favors with that stupid replacement
name did they?
wrote:
name did they?
Professor Bubba
Nov 13, 2012, 1:34:03 PM11/13/12
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In article <anim8rfsk-303CC...@news.easynews.com>,
The "stupid replacement name" was for Lori Piestewa, a Hopi who was
killed in 2003 in the Iraq War. Piestewa was the first female soldier
killed in combat in Iraq, as well as the first American Indian woman in
the U.S. military ever to be KIA. She died in the attack that wounded
Jessica Lynch and Shoshana Johnson. Piestewa was 23.
I'm typing this two days after Veterans Day.
killed in 2003 in the Iraq War. Piestewa was the first female soldier
killed in combat in Iraq, as well as the first American Indian woman in
the U.S. military ever to be KIA. She died in the attack that wounded
Jessica Lynch and Shoshana Johnson. Piestewa was 23.
I'm typing this two days after Veterans Day.
Obveeus
Nov 13, 2012, 2:17:58 PM11/13/12
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"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <k7tp6f$inc$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>> > > You sound like you want Squaw Peak back!
>> >
>> > Anything that is easier to spell/pronounce should be favored.
>>
>> Yeah, they didn't do themselves any favors with that stupid replacement
>> name did they?
>
> The "stupid replacement name" was for Lori Piestewa, a Hopi who was
> killed in 2003 in the Iraq War.
Mason Barge
Nov 13, 2012, 4:44:03 PM11/13/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:05:05 -0500, Professor Bubba
<bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>In article <5oe3a81hlp6skl64e...@4ax.com>, David
><diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Let�s peel away the layers of this tacky, racist onion," [Ruth
>> Hopkins] wrote. "For one, Ms. Kloss has no business wearing a war
>> bonnet at all. Not only is she not Native, she hasn�t earned the
>> honor. Among my people, the Oceti Sakowin (Sioux), war bonnets are
>> exclusively worn by men, and each feather within a war bonnet is
>> symbolic of a brave act of valor accomplished by that man. Not just
>> any Tom, Dick or Harry had the privilege of wearing a war bonnet. Who
>> wears a war bonnet? Tatanka Iyotanka, Sitting Bull. Not a no-account
>> waif paid to prance around on stage in her underwear.
>
>
>I don't understand the kind of person who, on the one hand, is
>understandably offended by the trivialization of her culture
I'm not so sure it's "understandable" (in the sense of reasonable and to
<bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>In article <5oe3a81hlp6skl64e...@4ax.com>, David
><diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Let�s peel away the layers of this tacky, racist onion," [Ruth
>> Hopkins] wrote. "For one, Ms. Kloss has no business wearing a war
>> bonnet at all. Not only is she not Native, she hasn�t earned the
>> honor. Among my people, the Oceti Sakowin (Sioux), war bonnets are
>> exclusively worn by men, and each feather within a war bonnet is
>> symbolic of a brave act of valor accomplished by that man. Not just
>> any Tom, Dick or Harry had the privilege of wearing a war bonnet. Who
>> wears a war bonnet? Tatanka Iyotanka, Sitting Bull. Not a no-account
>> waif paid to prance around on stage in her underwear.
>
>
>I don't understand the kind of person who, on the one hand, is
>understandably offended by the trivialization of her culture
be expected). In fact. I think it's absurd.
I hate to think of what would happen if Scots started getting all shirty
at every instance of a tartan being manufactured in England (or China), as
one of many possible examples. Or an Irishman wearing an English
regimental tie.
The world of fashion (about as dopey an industry as you can find) has
always quoted anything and everything worn by pretty much any culture they
could find, European and non-. I can remember Isaac Mizrahi sending an
entire show down the runway in translated Eskimo/Chukchi wear (in that old
documentary about him, whatever it was called).
trotsky
Nov 13, 2012, 6:15:29 PM11/13/12
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trotsky
Nov 13, 2012, 6:17:18 PM11/13/12
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Native Americans like animals and hiding them away so we didn't have to
think how they got raped out of their land. I think a little respect of
their culture isn't too much to ask. Asshole.
anim8rFSK
Nov 13, 2012, 7:37:35 PM11/13/12
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In article <k7u6d7$388$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:
And the entire banning of Squaw was based on the testimony of one senile
mentally ill old Indian, who claimed to remember stuff from 400 years
ago.
wrote:
mentally ill old Indian, who claimed to remember stuff from 400 years
ago.
Ed Stasiak
Nov 13, 2012, 8:02:14 PM11/13/12
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> David
>
> blogger Adrienne K. wrote that Victoria's Secret was
> guilty of "egregious cultural appropriation, stereotyping
> and marginalizing of Native peoples."
What about barmaids in Octoberfest outfits?
> blogger Adrienne K. wrote that Victoria's Secret was
> guilty of "egregious cultural appropriation, stereotyping
> and marginalizing of Native peoples."
Mason Barge
Nov 14, 2012, 1:31:21 PM11/14/12
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anim8rFSK
Nov 14, 2012, 3:10:34 PM11/14/12
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In article <jqo7a8pcfhrse08c8...@4ax.com>,
Except nobody can pronounce or spell it, and it's the name of a bunch of
stuff other than the peak itself, including a freeway.
stuff other than the peak itself, including a freeway.
Obveeus
Nov 14, 2012, 3:39:37 PM11/14/12
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someone were to claim that the 'Atlanta Braves' was a name that disparaged
American Indians, so from this point forward the baseball team would be
called the Atlanta Piestewas.
Mason Barge
Nov 14, 2012, 5:46:48 PM11/14/12
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to have a really cool guy called "Chief Nokahoma" who lived in a teepee in
foul territory and would come out and run around sometimes.
He was quite pissed off about losing his job, too. But they held fast on
the name.
Mason Barge
Nov 14, 2012, 5:48:33 PM11/14/12
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Atlanta, they rename streets that have had the same name since they were
built after obscure black politicians, including an attempt to name a
street after the mayor's mother-in-law (which got shouted down).
Obveeus
Nov 14, 2012, 7:05:03 PM11/14/12
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because they are still called the Atlanta Braves, despite the silly Native
American objections. Even the Washington Redthings (I refuse to use the
name Pigskins because it might offend policemen) can still make that claim
even though one of their home town newspapers decided that it would no
longer print the name. :-/
Obveeus
Nov 14, 2012, 7:15:46 PM11/14/12
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"Mason Barge" <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:10:34 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:17:58 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The "stupid replacement name" was for Lori Piestewa, a Hopi who was
>>> >> killed in 2003 in the Iraq War.
>>> >
>>> >Yep...and 'Squaw Peak' is a much better sounding name than 'Piestawa
>>> >Peak'.
>>>
>>> I know nothing about this, but Piestawa Peak sounds pretty good!
>>
>>Except nobody can pronounce or spell it, and it's the name of a bunch of
>>stuff other than the peak itself, including a freeway.
>
> Yeah, well, at least she is worthy of having something named after her.
> In Atlanta, they rename streets that have had the same name since they
> were
> built after obscure black politicians, including an attempt to name a
> street after the mayor's mother-in-law (which got shouted down).
Iraq incident. The army lied and said that the unit was under a massive
military attack from Iraqi's and the women fought off their enemies for an
extended period of time. It was only much later that they admitted that
that account of the story was fabricated by the Army propaganda machine and
that the injured/dead were mostly (maybe entirely) the result of
panic/vehicle accident.
anim8rFSK
Nov 14, 2012, 7:43:38 PM11/14/12
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In article <k81c7j$el0$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
Great. So we renamed the Squaw Peak Parkway after a vehicle accident
victim??
victim??
anim8rFSK
Nov 14, 2012, 7:46:23 PM11/14/12
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In article <k80via$r1l$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> American Indians, so from this point forward the baseball team would be
> called the Atlanta Piestewas.
Yep. This silly old Indian claimed he remembered when the white
settlers first came to Arizona, and used Squaw as an insult ... uh, this
guy was like 80. He might barely remember WW1. He doesn't remember 3
or 4 centuries ago! And the whole 'squaw as an insult' bit seems to be
thoroughly debunked.
wrote:
> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:17:58 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> In article <k7tp6f$inc$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >>> > > You sound like you want Squaw Peak back!
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Anything that is easier to spell/pronounce should be favored.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yeah, they didn't do themselves any favors with that stupid
> >> >>> replacement
> >> >>> name did they?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >> The "stupid replacement name" was for Lori Piestewa, a Hopi who was
> >> >> killed in 2003 in the Iraq War.
> >> >
> >> >Yep...and 'Squaw Peak' is a much better sounding name than 'Piestawa
> >> >Peak'.
> >>
> >> I know nothing about this, but Piestawa Peak sounds pretty good!
> >
> > Except nobody can pronounce or spell it, and it's the name of a bunch of
> > stuff other than the peak itself, including a freeway.
>
> Yep...and the whole scenario for the renaming made about as much sense as if
> someone were to claim that the 'Atlanta Braves' was a name that disparaged
Remember when Jane Fonda got caught doing the racist Tomahawk Chop?
> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:17:58 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> In article <k7tp6f$inc$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >>> > > You sound like you want Squaw Peak back!
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Anything that is easier to spell/pronounce should be favored.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yeah, they didn't do themselves any favors with that stupid
> >> >>> replacement
> >> >>> name did they?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >> The "stupid replacement name" was for Lori Piestewa, a Hopi who was
> >> >> killed in 2003 in the Iraq War.
> >> >
> >> >Yep...and 'Squaw Peak' is a much better sounding name than 'Piestawa
> >> >Peak'.
> >>
> >> I know nothing about this, but Piestawa Peak sounds pretty good!
> >
> > Except nobody can pronounce or spell it, and it's the name of a bunch of
> > stuff other than the peak itself, including a freeway.
>
> Yep...and the whole scenario for the renaming made about as much sense as if
> someone were to claim that the 'Atlanta Braves' was a name that disparaged
> American Indians, so from this point forward the baseball team would be
> called the Atlanta Piestewas.
settlers first came to Arizona, and used Squaw as an insult ... uh, this
guy was like 80. He might barely remember WW1. He doesn't remember 3
or 4 centuries ago! And the whole 'squaw as an insult' bit seems to be
thoroughly debunked.
BTR1701
Nov 14, 2012, 9:01:37 PM11/14/12
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In article <9r78a8l6mtf7dpsi2...@4ax.com>,
And they never give a damn how much it actually costs everyone who lives
on these streets every time they do one of those politically-correct
renamings.
I thought it was hilarious in Austin, when they caved under the pressure
to name a street after Martin Luther King (because any city that doesn't
have one is per se racist, dontcha know), they renamed one Martin Luther
King Way, which everyone ended up shortening to MLK Way, which then
further morphed into Milky Way in everyday parlance, and now the entire
politically-correct purpose for renaming the street has been nullified.
on these streets every time they do one of those politically-correct
renamings.
I thought it was hilarious in Austin, when they caved under the pressure
to name a street after Martin Luther King (because any city that doesn't
have one is per se racist, dontcha know), they renamed one Martin Luther
King Way, which everyone ended up shortening to MLK Way, which then
further morphed into Milky Way in everyday parlance, and now the entire
politically-correct purpose for renaming the street has been nullified.
anim8rFSK
Nov 14, 2012, 11:33:33 PM11/14/12
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In article <atropos-9ECAC9...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
Yeah, we had a lot of pressure here to have an Honorable Reverend Martin
Luther King Junior Memorial Drive or something, and of course it had to
be a major street or it was an insult, and the people that would have
had to live and work on it were like "what the Hell, and how are we even
going to get that onto our business cards!?!?"
Then we got stuck with a 'menu system' for the MLK holiday, where they
added an extra holiday and government employees had to choose 7 out of 8
(or whatever) and nobody, count 'em, NOBODY took MLK day (even if YOU
wanted it, nobody else you knew would have it off) so the next year they
FORCED you to take MLK day and 6 other choices.
Luther King Junior Memorial Drive or something, and of course it had to
be a major street or it was an insult, and the people that would have
had to live and work on it were like "what the Hell, and how are we even
going to get that onto our business cards!?!?"
Then we got stuck with a 'menu system' for the MLK holiday, where they
added an extra holiday and government employees had to choose 7 out of 8
(or whatever) and nobody, count 'em, NOBODY took MLK day (even if YOU
wanted it, nobody else you knew would have it off) so the next year they
FORCED you to take MLK day and 6 other choices.
Obveeus
Nov 15, 2012, 9:53:21 AM11/15/12
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anim8rFSK
Nov 15, 2012, 10:46:23 AM11/15/12
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Mason Barge
Nov 15, 2012, 11:35:09 AM11/15/12
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Murdoc
Nov 20, 2012, 3:34:24 AM11/20/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:15:35 -0500, David wrote:
> "Let�s peel away the layers of this tacky, racist onion," she wrote.
then promptly assert something sexist, such as that some honor should only
be reserved to men.
Adding to that, that position is ridiculous. The little bits of colored
confetti on modern military uniforms have the same function, with each
being symbolic of some award for valor or similar. But nobody kicks up a
fuss about "stolen valor" when an actor wears a uniform with that stuff for
some war movie or alien invasion flick or suchlike. We recognize that
context matters -- and wearing a costume on stage or for the camera, in
particular, is a very different context from wearing something at the
tribal council or on the military base or whatever.
> "Let�s peel away the layers of this tacky, racist onion," she wrote.
> "For one, Ms. Kloss has no business wearing a war bonnet at all. Not
> only is she not Native, she hasn�t earned the honor. Among my people,
> the Oceti Sakowin (Sioux), war bonnets are exclusively worn by men,
> and each feather within a war bonnet is symbolic of a brave act of
> valor accomplished by that man. Not just any Tom, Dick or Harry had
> the privilege of wearing a war bonnet. Who wears a war bonnet? Tatanka
> Iyotanka, Sitting Bull. Not a no-account waif paid to prance around on
> stage in her underwear."
First of all, it's rather ironic to charge someone else with racism, and
> only is she not Native, she hasn�t earned the honor. Among my people,
> the Oceti Sakowin (Sioux), war bonnets are exclusively worn by men,
> and each feather within a war bonnet is symbolic of a brave act of
> valor accomplished by that man. Not just any Tom, Dick or Harry had
> the privilege of wearing a war bonnet. Who wears a war bonnet? Tatanka
> Iyotanka, Sitting Bull. Not a no-account waif paid to prance around on
> stage in her underwear."
then promptly assert something sexist, such as that some honor should only
be reserved to men.
Adding to that, that position is ridiculous. The little bits of colored
confetti on modern military uniforms have the same function, with each
being symbolic of some award for valor or similar. But nobody kicks up a
fuss about "stolen valor" when an actor wears a uniform with that stuff for
some war movie or alien invasion flick or suchlike. We recognize that
context matters -- and wearing a costume on stage or for the camera, in
particular, is a very different context from wearing something at the
tribal council or on the military base or whatever.
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