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thinbluemime

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May 22, 2013, 7:38:18 AM5/22/13
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"You Have the Right to Remain Silent"





FBI agent fatally shoots Orlando man with ties to Boston Marathon bombing
suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev; 2 Mass. state troopers involved
05/22/2013 By Wesley Lowery and John R. Ellement, Globe Staff
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/05/22/fbi-agent-shoot-and-kills-orlando-man-with-ties-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev/r3JR1wWQjO9GuWjIMP0O0K/story.html


A Chechen man with ties to Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan
Tsarnaev was shot and killed by an FBI agent in Orlando early today when
the man attacked the agent, the FBI said in a statement.


The FBI identified the person shot and killed as Ibragim Todashev, 27.

Two Massachusetts State Police troopers were also participating in the
questioning at the time of the fatal shooting, the FBI said. State Police
spokesman David Procopio had no comment.

According to the FBI and local news accounts, the shooting took place in
an apartment on Peregrine Avenue while Todashev was being questioned about
the bombings and Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

“The agent along with two Massachusetts State Police troopers and other
law enforcement personnel were interviewing an individual in connection
with the Boston Marathon bombing investigation when a violent
confrontation was initiated by the individual,’’ the FBI said in an
updated summary of the incident released around 10:30 a.m.

The FBI had not previously disclosed that State Police were part of the
interviewing team.

“During the confrontation, the individual was killed and the agent
sustained non-life threatening injuries,’’ the FBI said. “As this incident
is under review, we have no further details at this time.”

Khusen Taramiv, a friend of Todashev, told WESH-TV in Orlando that both he
and Todashev were questioned about his ties to Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was
killed after a shootout in Watertown with police on April 19. Tamerlan

Tsarnaev’s younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is in federal custody and
facing charges that could bring the death penalty. The bombings on April
15 near the Marathon finish line killed three people and wounded more than
260 people. MIT Police Officer Sean Collier was also allegedly murdered by
the brothers.

The FBI said today that a Washington-based deadly force investigative team
is being sent to Orlando to investigate the shooting on Peregrine Avenue.

Taramiv said he was released by the FBI, but Todashev was still being
questioned by the agents.

Taramiv said Todashev met Tsarnaev when both lived in Massachusetts, and
that the two men spoke with each other “months before” the Marathon
bombings.

Taramiv said his friend was not close to Tsarnaev. “They were not best
friends,’’ Taramiv told the Orlando station.

Taramiv insisted that Todashev was not a radicalized Muslim, and that he
had no role in, nor did he know anything about, the Marathon terrorist
attack.

“He was not a radical. He was a Muslim,’’ Taramiv said. “I’m a Muslim.
That’s it. ... He never had a gun. ... He was shocked’’ by the attacks.

Taramiv said Todashev was worried about the direction of the questioning
by the FBI agents, that he was going to be “set up’’ by the law
enforcement agency.

“He had a bad feeling,’’ said Taramiv, who quoted Todashev as telling him
that the FBI was “making up this crazy stuff’’ that there was a connection
between the terror suspect and himself.

Taramiv said that Tsarnaev and Todashev spoke recently, likely via Skype,
but had only limited contact with each other since Todashev moved to
Florida.

Mike Lee, co-owner of The Jungle, an Orlando gym, said Todashev had
belonged to the gym about a year and a half ago.

“He was entirely unmemorable,” he said.

Lee said Todashev didn’t use the gym’s coaches or banner for his fights,
just the equipment. Lee believes he had paid the gym membership in full
and had no outstanding bills.

BTR1701

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May 22, 2013, 9:51:16 PM5/22/13
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In article <op.wxhg9...@experience.zoomtown.com>,
thinbluemime <thinbl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "You Have the Right to Remain Silent"

If you don't want to get shot during an interview with the FBI, don't
attack the agents interviewing you.

Easy-peasy.

EGK

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May 22, 2013, 10:06:47 PM5/22/13
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I was trying to figure out how they allowed him to have a knife while
questioning him especially after he had admitted to murder? At least that
was the report I saw. That he supposedly attacked the agent with a knife.

thinbluemime

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May 22, 2013, 6:35:56 PM5/22/13
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The authorities questioned him for 3 hours, then came back at mid-night
for a follow-up interview.

The story as now published stinks to high heaven with inconsistencies.

thinbluemime

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May 22, 2013, 7:48:30 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:38:18 +0100, thinbluemime <thinbl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "You Have the Right to Remain Silent"
>
> FBI agent fatally shoots Orlando man with ties to Boston Marathon
> bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev; 2 Mass. state troopers involved
> 05/22/2013 By Wesley Lowery and John R. Ellement, Globe Staff
> http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/05/22/fbi-agent-shoot-and-kills-orlando-man-with-ties-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev/r3JR1wWQjO9GuWjIMP0O0K/story.html
>
>
> A Chechen man with ties to Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan
> Tsarnaev was shot and killed by an FBI agent in Orlando early today when
> the man attacked the agent, the FBI said in a statement.
>
>
> The FBI identified the person shot and killed as Ibragim Todashev, 27.



<EXCERPT>

Two members of the FBI’s elite counterterrorism unit died Friday while
practicing how to quickly drop from a helicopter to a ship using a rope,
the FBI announced Monday in a statement.

The statement gave few details regarding the deaths of Special Agents
Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw, other than to say the helicopter
encountered unspecified difficulties and the agents fell a “significant
distance.”

Last month, the team was involved in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a
suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings.



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FBI: Agents died in fall from helicopter off Va. coast
By Scott Daugherty May 20, 2013
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/05/fbi-agents-died-fall-helicopter-va-coast
http://12160.info/page/2-fbi-agents-involved-in-dzhokar-tsarnaev-s-arrest-fall-out-of-he



Two members of the FBI’s elite counterterrorism unit died Friday while
practicing how to quickly drop from a helicopter to a ship using a rope,
the FBI announced Monday in a statement.

The statement gave few details regarding the deaths of Special Agents
Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw, other than to say the helicopter
encountered unspecified difficulties and the agents fell a “significant
distance.”

A law enforcement source told The Pilot the incident happened about 12
nautical miles off the coast of Virginia Beach. The official blamed bad
weather for the incident and said the agents – members of the FBI’s
Hostage Rescue Team, based in Quantico – fell into the water. The official
said he believed the agents died as a result of the impact rather than
drowning.

Glenn McBride, a spokesman for the state medical examiner’s office, said
it could be months before his staff can release a final cause and manner
of death for the two agents. He said they must wait for the results of
routine toxicology tests.

According to a Navy official, the agents were using a ship the FBI had
leased from the Navy’s Military Sealift Command. No Navy personnel were
involved in the exercise, the Navy official said.

An Army helicopter crashed into a similar ship in 2009 during another
training exercise off the coast of Virginia Beach, killing one person and
injuring eight.

In interviews Monday, the founder of the Hostage Rescue Team and other
former special agents called the unit “elite” while outlining the
difficult training exercises members must endure.

“It’s the most rigorous training regiment in law enforcement, probably in
the world,” said Danny Coulson, a former deputy assistant director of the
FBI who started the team 30 years ago and served as its first commander.
“They have to be able to do any mission, at any time.”

Among other things, members of the Hostage Rescue Team are trained to
rappel from helicopters, scuba dive and use explosives to break down doors
and walls. When needed, the team can deploy within four hours to anywhere
in the U.S.

“It sounds risky, and it absolutely is,” Coulson said. “They have the same
skill sets as SEAL Team 6 and Delta Force.”

In all, the team has responded to more than 850 incidents involving
terrorism, violent crimes and foreign counterintelligence, according to
the FBI’s website.

Last month, the team was involved in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a
suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings. And in February, it rescued a
5-year-old boy held hostage for six days in an underground bunker in
Alabama.

“Whenever things go really wrong, the FBI calls in the Hostage Rescue
Team. It’s the government’s 911,” Coulson said.

Irvin Wells, a former FBI special agent who retired in 1990 after leading
the Norfolk field office for three years, stressed that the Hostage Rescue
Team is different from the FBI’s regular SWAT teams. He noted that agents
assigned to a field office’s SWAT team also must perform other jobs inside
the bureau, while agents assigned to the Hostage Rescue Team have no other
duties.

“Not to take anything from SWAT, but these guys train full time for the
most dangerous of missions,” Wells said of the Hostage Rescue Team. “Like
the SEALs, they are highly trained and train continuously.”

Nancy Savage, executive director of the Society of Former Special Agents
of the FBI, said SWAT teams handle “normal dangerous situations,” while
the Hostage Rescue Team handles larger-scale incidents that involve more
specialized skill sets.

“It’s like one level up,” Savage said. “They are a very, very elite team.”

Coulson stressed that it takes more than brute strength to become a member
of the Hostage Rescue Team.

“It’s not just biceps and triceps. It requires intellectual muscle, too,”
he said.

To join the team, FBI agents must pass a special physical fitness test and
complete a two-week selection class, Coulson said. Then, the agent must
complete a 14- to 16-week “New Operator Training School.”

“It’s a national loss,” Coulson said about the deaths of Lorek and Shaw.
“These are the best-trained individuals in the world.”

Pilot writers Mike Hixenbaugh and Elisabeth Hulette contributed to this
report.

Scott Daugherty, 757-222-5221, scott.d...@pilotonline.com


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The deaths bring to at least four the number of fatalities in the elite
counterterrorism team during training since its creation in 1983 in
preparation for the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles. In April 1986, James K.
McAllister died after falling from a helicopter and in December 2006,
Gregory J. Rahoi was accidentally shot and killed during a live-fire
training exercise.

JRStern

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May 23, 2013, 1:17:29 AM5/23/13
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Just note that they were questioning him about being the perp of a
triple murder, with or without the Tsarnaev boys.

J.

trotsky

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May 23, 2013, 7:51:30 AM5/23/13
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Though it makes the "self defense" argument a little weak. As well as
doing a piss poor job of finishing the interrogation.


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trotsky

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May 23, 2013, 7:52:04 AM5/23/13
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I heard it was a rubber duckie.

Irish Mike

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May 23, 2013, 1:47:48 PM5/23/13
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Muslim ass wipe believes he will get to meet allah and spend eternity
fucking young virgins if he murders non-muslim men, women and/or children.
FBI agents arrange ass wipe's meeting. Too bad they didn't do it sooner.

Irish Mike

islam, winning the hearts and minds of infidels one homicide bomber at a
time.

thinbluemime

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May 23, 2013, 5:59:42 PM5/23/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:38:18 +0100, thinbluemime <thinbl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "You Have the Right to Remain Silent"
>
>
>
>
>
> FBI agent fatally shoots Orlando man with ties to Boston Marathon
> bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev; 2 Mass. state troopers involved
> 05/22/2013 By Wesley Lowery and John R. Ellement, Globe Staff
> http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/05/22/fbi-agent-shoot-and-kills-orlando-man-with-ties-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev/r3JR1wWQjO9GuWjIMP0O0K/story.html
>
>
> A Chechen man with ties to Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan
> Tsarnaev was shot and killed by an FBI agent in Orlando early today when
> the man attacked the agent, the FBI said in a statement.
>
>
> The FBI identified the person shot and killed as Ibragim Todashev, 27.


The Killing of Tamerlan Tsarnaev's Would-Be Accomplice Wasn't So Simple
Alexander Abad-Santos Thursday May 23, 2013
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/05/ibragim-todashev-analysis/65536/


Ibragim Todashev may or may not have pulled a knife on investigators in
his own apartment.

He may or may not have been ready to sign a confession implicating himself
and Tamerlan Tsarnaev in a 2011 triple homicide.

All we know is that lethal force was used when Todashev was shot and
killed early Wednesday morning, and the only people alive to tell us the
truth are the Massachusetts State Police officers and FBI agents who were
in the room and pulled the trigger.









Alan Smithee

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May 25, 2013, 12:28:10 AM5/25/13
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How long before we see things like this locally?

Woolwich 'Beheading' Attack: Second Man Pictured with Knife at Killing Scene
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/470217/20130522/woolwich-beheading-man-pictured-knife-soldier-killed.htm

benjamin

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May 25, 2013, 8:29:35 AM5/25/13
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I think Miranda is right. She should get her tips. And there is no way
Amy actually contacted the FBI!

Irish Mike

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May 26, 2013, 12:01:24 PM5/26/13
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On May 25 2013 1:28 AM, Alan Smithee wrote:

> How long before we see things like this locally?

Hopefully, not long. I would like to see them shoot as many of these
muslim terrorists as possible and save taxpayer's money.

This is a long struggle against murderous muslim terrorists who are fueled
by a violent, intolerant poisonous religion.

thinbluemime

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May 29, 2013, 7:07:29 PM5/29/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:38:18 +0100, thinbluemime <thinbl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "You Have the Right to Remain Silent"

> FBI agent fatally shoots Orlando man with ties to Boston Marathon
> bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev; 2 Mass. state troopers involved
> 05/22/2013 By Wesley Lowery and John R. Ellement, Globe Staff
> http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/05/22/fbi-agent-shoot-and-kills-orlando-man-with-ties-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev/r3JR1wWQjO9GuWjIMP0O0K/story.html
>
>
> A Chechen man with ties to Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan
> Tsarnaev was shot and killed by an FBI agent in Orlando early today when
> the man attacked the agent, the FBI said in a statement.




Officials: Man who knew Boston bombing suspect was unarmed when shot
By Sari Horwitz and Peter Finn, Thursday, May 30, 12:02 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/officials-man-who-knew-boston-bomber-was-unarmed-when-shot/2013/05/29/21f05b74-c8a8-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_story.html


A Chechen man who was fatally shot by an FBI agent last week during an
interview about one of the Boston bombing suspects was unarmed, law
enforcement officials said Wednesday.

An air of mystery has surrounded the FBI shooting of Ibragim Todashev, 27,
since it occurred in Todashev’s apartment early on the morning of May 22.
The FBI said in a news release that day that Todashev, a former Boston
resident who knew bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed during an
interview with several law enforcement officers.










The FBI has provided few other details, saying that the matter is being
investigated by an FBI review team that may not finish its probe for
several months.

“The FBI takes very seriously any shooting incidents involving our agents
and as such we have an effective, time-tested process for addressing them
internally,” FBI spokesman Paul Bresson said in a statement Wednesday.
“The review process is thorough and objective and conducted as
expeditiously as possible under the circumstances.”

The Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations on
Wednesday called for an independent investigation by the Justice
Department’s Civil Rights Division. Officials said the division and local
prosecutors are already reviewing the case.

At the time of the shooting, Todashev was being interviewed about his
possible connection to a triple murder in Waltham, Mass., on Sept. 11,
2011. Law enforcement officials said he had acknowledged involvement in
the murders and had implicated Tsarnaev. Officials said Todashev was not
suspected of involvement in the April 15 Boston bombing.

Tsarnaev was killed in a shootout with police four days after the bombing.
His younger brother, Dzhokhar, was captured later that day and remains in
custody.

In the statement about Todashev’s shooting issued on the day of the
incident, the FBI said that an agent, along with two Massachusetts State
Police troopers and other law enforcement personnel, were interviewing “an
individual” in connection with the Boston Marathon bombing investigation
when a “violent confrontation was initiated by the individual.”

An agent sustained non-life-threatening injuries, later described by one
law enforcement official as “some cuts and abrasions.”

Initial reports citing anonymous law-enforcement individuals provided
conflicting accounts of what happened. Some law enforcement officials said
Todashev wielded a knife and others suggested that he attempted to grab
the FBI agent’s gun.

One law enforcement official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to
discuss an ongoing investigation, said Wednesday that Todashev lunged at
the agent and overturned a table. But the official said Todashev did not
have a gun or a knife. A second official also said Todashev was unarmed.

An official said that according to one account of the shooting, the other
law enforcement officials had just stepped out of the room, leaving the
FBI agent alone with Todashev, when the confrontation occurred.

The shooting followed hours of questioning by the law enforcement
officials that had begun the night before.

Todashev’s father said after the shooting that he didn’t believe the FBI’s
account of why they killed his son.

“My son could never commit a crime, I know my son too well,” Abdul-Baki
Todashev, who lives in Chechnya, told the Daily Beast Web site. “He worked
helping disabled people in America and did sports, coached other
sportsmen. The FBI made up their accusations.”

Todashev, a martial arts fighter, met Tamerlan Tsarnaev in fighting
circles in Boston before Todashev moved to Orlando.

Todashev’s family said he had a ticket to fly to Russia this month and
planned to spend the summer in his native Chechnya.

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