Why didn't any y'alll tell me...?
Remysun
1000th episode, with Kristen Bell and hosted by Wavy. Anyway, Merry
Christmas, here's a link:
http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_late_show/video/?pid=6WZjc0N75lwvb3DTLVOB1qVEC3DeDqlA
Adam H. Kerman
>http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_late_show/video/?pid=6WZjc0N75lwvb3DTLVOB1qVEC3DeDqlA
It was awful. He did it with puppets. Kristen Bell's segment was scripted
and stupid. Really, you didn't miss anything.
David Johnston
<remys...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>You would have thought someone would have mentioned Craig Ferguson's
>1000th episode, with Kristen Bell and hosted by Wavy.
In order to tell you, someone would have to have been watching Craig
Ferguson. How likely is that?
Mac Breck
Pretty likely. We just thought he knew.
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Adam H. Kerman
>>>You would have thought someone would have mentioned Craig Ferguson's
>>>1000th episode, with Kristen Bell and hosted by Wavy.
>>In order to tell you, someone would have to have been watching Craig
>>Ferguson. How likely is that?
>Pretty likely. We just thought he knew.
A lot less likely subsequently if one saw that particular show.
Mac Breck
So, they went overboard by doing the entire show with puppets, that
didn't cause me to quit watching Craig's show. With Wavy and the other
puppets, as with Eliza Dushku (for me), a little goes a long way, good
for an accent (as in using a spice.), but not good as the whole show.
Adam H. Kerman
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Mac Breck <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>David Johnston wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:53:18 -0800 (PST), remys...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>You would have thought someone would have mentioned Craig
>>>>>Ferguson's 1000th episode, with Kristen Bell and hosted by Wavy.
>>>>In order to tell you, someone would have to have been watching
>>>>Craig Ferguson. How likely is that?
>>>Pretty likely. We just thought he knew.
>>A lot less likely subsequently if one saw that particular show.
>So, they went overboard by doing the entire show with puppets, that
>didn't cause me to quit watching Craig's show. With Wavy and the other
>puppets, as with Eliza Dushku (for me), a little goes a long way, good
>for an accent (as in using a spice.), but not good as the whole show.
The puppets, in and of themselves, weren't the problem, Mac. The problem
is that Craig's scripts, like most scripted portions of late night shows,
absolutely sucked. Puppets absolutely can be entertaining, having been
around for centuries. That episode was entirely scripted, even the guests.
Craig's monologues are better than the other late night talkers, but
Craig tends to get way too cute and repeats punch lines enough to run
them into the ground. But when he's spot on, he's excellent.
He's not a brilliant interviewer, but when the guest is funny, he plays
along better than, say, Conan or Jay, both of whom step on their comments.
Someone sampling the 1000th episode because of the publicity isn't going
to be convinced to view regularly. Those already familiar with his merits
will probably forgive him.
Barry Margolin
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Craig's monologues are better than the other late night talkers, but
> Craig tends to get way too cute and repeats punch lines enough to run
> them into the ground. But when he's spot on, he's excellent.
>
> He's not a brilliant interviewer, but when the guest is funny, he plays
> along better than, say, Conan or Jay, both of whom step on their comments.
I think he's the best interviewer of the bunch. He's the only one who
really seems interested in them, the chats seem the most natural (I
admit that I haven't watched Conan in years, and Fallon at all). It
doesn't hurt that he tends to get more interesting guests. But even
with the regular Hollywood crowd, he brings out the best in them. And
when it's someone he's truly friendly with, it's great.
Kristin Bell could easily be to Craig what Teri Garr was to Letterman.
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Mac Breck
> Mac Breck <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> Mac Breck <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> David Johnston wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:53:18 -0800 (PST), remys...@yahoo.com
>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>> You would have thought someone would have mentioned Craig
>>>>>> Ferguson's 1000th episode, with Kristen Bell and hosted by Wavy.
>
>>>>> In order to tell you, someone would have to have been watching
>>>>> Craig Ferguson. How likely is that?
>
>>>> Pretty likely. We just thought he knew.
>
>>> A lot less likely subsequently if one saw that particular show.
>
>> So, they went overboard by doing the entire show with puppets, that
>> didn't cause me to quit watching Craig's show. With Wavy and the
>> other puppets, as with Eliza Dushku (for me), a little goes a long
>> way, good for an accent (as in using a spice.), but not good as the
>> whole show.
>
> The puppets, in and of themselves, weren't the problem, Mac. The
> problem is that Craig's scripts, like most scripted portions of late
> night shows, absolutely sucked. Puppets absolutely can be
> entertaining, having been around for centuries. That episode was
> entirely scripted, even the guests.
I like some of his scripted skits (e.g. ESPN UK), but come to think of
it, he's best when he starts to ad-lib, to go off-script.
> Craig's monologues are better than the other late night talkers, but
> Craig tends to get way too cute and repeats punch lines enough to run
> them into the ground. But when he's spot on, he's excellent.
>
> He's not a brilliant interviewer, but when the guest is funny, he
> plays along better than, say, Conan or Jay, both of whom step on
> their comments.
That's one thing that bugs me about Conan and especially Jay.
> Someone sampling the 1000th episode because of the publicity isn't
> going to be convinced to view regularly. Those already familiar with
> his merits will probably forgive him.
True.
Mac Breck
> In article <hh32a4$j7d$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Craig's monologues are better than the other late night talkers, but
>> Craig tends to get way too cute and repeats punch lines enough to run
>> them into the ground. But when he's spot on, he's excellent.
>>
>> He's not a brilliant interviewer, but when the guest is funny, he
>> plays along better than, say, Conan or Jay, both of whom step on
>> their comments.
>
> I think he's the best interviewer of the bunch. He's the only one who
> really seems interested in them, the chats seem the most natural (I
> admit that I haven't watched Conan in years, and Fallon at all).
As opposed to mechanically/roboticly hitting the proper talking points
to plug their latest project. Conan and Jay both do that. I tried
watching Fallon, but just can't.
> It
> doesn't hurt that he tends to get more interesting guests. But even
> with the regular Hollywood crowd, he brings out the best in them. And
> when it's someone he's truly friendly with, it's great.
Yeah, like Jennifer Love Hewitt or Kristin Bell.
Barry Margolin
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I like that they don't try to get these skits too perfect. They'll
often flub a line or start to break up, and they don't bother with a
re-take. Reminds me a little of the Carol Burnett Show, when Harvey
Korman would have a hard time keeping a straight face while Tim Conway
was doing one of his bits in a sketch.
Dano
> Barry Margolin wrote:
>> In article <hh32a4$j7d$1...@news.albasani.net>,
>> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Craig's monologues are better than the other late night talkers, but
>>> Craig tends to get way too cute and repeats punch lines enough to
>>> run them into the ground. But when he's spot on, he's excellent.
>>>
>>> He's not a brilliant interviewer, but when the guest is funny, he
>>> plays along better than, say, Conan or Jay, both of whom step on
>>> their comments.
>>
>> I think he's the best interviewer of the bunch. He's the only one
>> who really seems interested in them, the chats seem the most natural
>> (I admit that I haven't watched Conan in years, and Fallon at all).
>
> As opposed to mechanically/roboticly hitting the proper talking points
> to plug their latest project. Conan and Jay both do that. I tried
> watching Fallon, but just can't.
>
>
>> It
>> doesn't hurt that he tends to get more interesting guests. But even
>> with the regular Hollywood crowd, he brings out the best in them.
>> And when it's someone he's truly friendly with, it's great.
>
> Yeah, like Jennifer Love Hewitt or Kristin Bell.
I'm a huge fan of Ferguson...and therefore watch him much more...but I've
watched Fallon a couple of times recently and found he has improved a lot
from when I last watched.
Thanatos
Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <hh32a4$j7d$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> > Craig's monologues are better than the other late night talkers, but
> > Craig tends to get way too cute and repeats punch lines enough to run
> > them into the ground. But when he's spot on, he's excellent.
> >
> > He's not a brilliant interviewer, but when the guest is funny, he plays
> > along better than, say, Conan or Jay, both of whom step on their comments.
>
> I think he's the best interviewer of the bunch. He's the only one who
> really seems interested in them, the chats seem the most natural (I
> admit that I haven't watched Conan in years, and Fallon at all). It
> doesn't hurt that he tends to get more interesting guests. But even
> with the regular Hollywood crowd, he brings out the best in them. And
> when it's someone he's truly friendly with, it's great.
>
> Kristin Bell could easily be to Craig what Teri Garr was to Letterman.
She only has one significant character flaw that I can see: she lets
that tool Dax Shepherd touch her.
Barry Margolin
Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
She doesn't show the marks from this during her appearances with
Ferguson, so I let it slide.
Adam H. Kerman
>>Craig's monologues are better than the other late night talkers, but
>>Craig tends to get way too cute and repeats punch lines enough to run
>>them into the ground. But when he's spot on, he's excellent.
>>He's not a brilliant interviewer, but when the guest is funny, he plays
>>along better than, say, Conan or Jay, both of whom step on their comments.
>I think he's the best interviewer of the bunch. He's the only one who
>really seems interested in them, the chats seem the most natural (I
>admit that I haven't watched Conan in years, and Fallon at all).
It must be some combination of the guests being more at ease with him and
that he puts them at ease. On Letterman, the guests seem highly prepared.
But it couldn't be a lower bar. Somehow, people with skills like Jack Paar
and Dick Cavett are ruled out of consideration for getting late night
talk shows.
>Kristin Bell could easily be to Craig what Teri Garr was to Letterman.
I didn't know she's on often. I'll keep an eye out for her and see if I
like it any better.
But I just can't see watching Craig regularly.
Adam H. Kerman
>I'm a huge fan of Ferguson...and therefore watch him much more...but I've
>watched Fallon a couple of times recently and found he has improved a lot
>from when I last watched.
He could have gotten worse?
I don't understand the network. It was obvious he couldn't be a talk show
host, so why didn't they make him practice every single night for three
months? Why inflict the practice sessions on viewers and paid advertisers?
Adam H. Kerman
>Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>Kristin Bell could easily be to Craig what Teri Garr was to Letterman.
>She only has one significant character flaw that I can see: she lets
>that tool Dax Shepherd touch her.
Too bad she doesn't have more of Veronica Mars in her real life personality.
Steve Newport
Somehow, people with skills like Jack Paar and Dick Cavett are ruled out
of consideration for getting late night talk shows.
SN: I also liked Tom Synder and Charles Grodin. Grodin may have been the
last to have real music on.
Anim8rFSK
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
I dunno. VM was one seriously messed up chick.
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Adam H. Kerman
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>Kristin Bell could easily be to Craig what Teri Garr was to Letterman.
>>>She only has one significant character flaw that I can see: she lets
>>>that tool Dax Shepherd touch her.
>>Too bad she doesn't have more of Veronica Mars in her real life personality.
>I dunno. VM was one seriously messed up chick.
A lot of bad things happened to her, but she at least tried to get revenge,
and didn't willingly take crap from anyone.
Mac Breck
> In article <TdWdnTvTJMIpvajW...@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
>> I like some of his scripted skits (e.g. ESPN UK), but come to think
>> of it, he's best when he starts to ad-lib, to go off-script.
>
> I like that they don't try to get these skits too perfect. They'll
> often flub a line or start to break up, and they don't bother with a
> re-take. Reminds me a little of the Carol Burnett Show, when Harvey
> Korman would have a hard time keeping a straight face while Tim Conway
> was doing one of his bits in a sketch.
Same here! :D Often, you could see that with just a look, Conway was
trying to destroy Korman's composure, and when he succeeded, Korman
would start to crack up and so would I. In Ferguson's case, when they
flub a line or start to break up, they roll with it and often comment on
the mistake, and that makes the skit funnier and more natural.
JJ
I'm a huge Ferguson fan but I think there's too much puppet show (lol
spinal tap)
Nevertheless, I think I'll download the 1000th show and see it again.
Default User
> You would have thought someone would have mentioned Craig Ferguson's
> 1000th episode, with Kristen Bell and hosted by Wavy.
We did discuss it.
Brian
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Barry Margolin
"Default User" <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Remysun wrote:
>
> > You would have thought someone would have mentioned Craig Ferguson's
> > 1000th episode, with Kristen Bell and hosted by Wavy.
>
> We did discuss it.
But not until several days after it happened.
Anim8rFSK
Agreed, but does that mean we wish her personality on Ms. Bell??
Thanatos
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <hh5doq$glb$5...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> > Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> > >>Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> > >>>Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >>>> Kristin Bell could easily be to Craig what Teri Garr
> > >>>> was to Letterman.
> >
> > >>> She only has one significant character flaw that I can
> > >>> see: she lets that tool Dax Shepherd touch her.
> >
> > >>Too bad she doesn't have more of Veronica Mars in her real life
> > >>personality.
> >
> > >I dunno. VM was one seriously messed up chick.
> >
> > A lot of bad things happened to her, but she at least tried
> > to get revenge, and didn't willingly take crap from anyone.
>
> Agreed, but does that mean we wish her personality on Ms. Bell??
Maybe just the non-date-rape-based aspects of it.
Default User
> In article <7pnltb...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Default User" <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Remysun wrote:
> >
> > > You would have thought someone would have mentioned Craig
> > > Ferguson's 1000th episode, with Kristen Bell and hosted by Wavy.
> >
> > We did discuss it.
>
> But not until several days after it happened.
What was the cutoff? Is there a late penalty?
It at least gave me a chance to do an "X and Y are very different" joke.
Adam H. Kerman
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>Kristin Bell could easily be to Craig what Teri Garr was to Letterman.
>>>>>She only has one significant character flaw that I can see: she lets
>>>>>that tool Dax Shepherd touch her.
>>>>Too bad she doesn't have more of Veronica Mars in her real life
>>>>personality.
>>>I dunno. VM was one seriously messed up chick.
>>A lot of bad things happened to her, but she at least tried to get revenge,
>>and didn't willingly take crap from anyone.
>Agreed, but does that mean we wish her personality on Ms. Bell??
Her personality, not not some of the terrible experiences she had.
I'm in love with Veronica, not Kristen, but Kristen kind of looks like her.
Veronica never would have taken a dull role on "Heroes".
Adam H. Kerman
>Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>Kristin Bell could easily be to Craig what Teri Garr
>>>>>>>was to Letterman.
>>>>>>She only has one significant character flaw that I can
>>>>>>see: she lets that tool Dax Shepherd touch her.
>>>>>Too bad she doesn't have more of Veronica Mars in her real life
>>>>>personality.
>>>>I dunno. VM was one seriously messed up chick.
>>>A lot of bad things happened to her, but she at least tried
>>>to get revenge, and didn't willingly take crap from anyone.
>>Agreed, but does that mean we wish her personality on Ms. Bell??
>Maybe just the non-date-rape-based aspects of it.
First she was raped. Then she was unraped when she and Duncan learned that
they had sex with each other at that party while neither was sober as each
had been drugged. Then she was re-raped by Beaver, when she learned the
source of her VD.
Absolutely single worst aspect of the show. I declare it was all so stupid
that it wasn't part of her story.
The worst thing that happened to her was Aaron Echolls trying to murder her.
Second worst was ending up on the pathetic CW which didn't want the show
but took it anyway after the demise of UPN.
Thanatos
Did you ever see the mini-pilot for the proposed Season 4 that never got
picked up, with Veronica in the FBI?
Such a shame. Missed opportunities...
Anim8rFSK
Really
>
> The worst thing that happened to her was Aaron Echolls trying to murder her.
> Second worst was ending up on the pathetic CW which didn't want the show
> but took it anyway after the demise of UPN.
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Micky DuPree
: [Ferguson's] not a brilliant interviewer, but when the guest is
: funny, he plays along better than, say, Conan or Jay, both of whom
: step on their comments.
I find Ferguson to be pretty pushy about injecting his own stories into
his guests' stories, but he's funnier than Conan or Jay when he does it,
and his stories are often funnier than the guests', so it's easy to
forgive him. I don't know what his guests think of that, though.
Ferguson could probably fill up the whole hour by himself. I don't know
where he gets his energy from. The guests are to get non-regular
viewers to tune in.
-Micky