Under as socialist medical system, Chavez wouldn't be allowed that much cancer treatment

[RichA]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21113390

There is no way they would allow multiple operations for near n-stage
cancer in a socialized medical system. Example, if you get cancer and
need an operation, you will get it. However, if it comes back and has
spread, there is a good likelihood you would not be allowed another
operation, or the doctors would do their best to dissuade you from
having it. This reflects the need to ration finite medical resources
in such a system.

[David Johnston]

You mean as opposed to insurance companies who cheerfully shell out for
futile medical procedures?

[RichA]

Difference is, you have no recourse unless you can leave the country
for extra medical care.

[BTR1701]

In article
<911d3a30-3d6a-44de...@ui9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,

RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21113390
>
> There is no way they would allow multiple operations for near n-stage
> cancer in a socialized medical system.

But the beauty of socialism is that certain people are considered more
valuable than others and Chavez, in his role as Dear Leader, would
definitely be considered more valuable than anyone else, therefore no
effort would be too heroic to save him.

[Tom]

So, you're saying he would be denied treatment under your Canadian
socialized health care system?

Tom

[William December Starr]

In article <atropos-5B2AD9...@news-europe.giganews.com>,

BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:

> But the beauty of socialism is that certain people are considered
> more valuable than others and Chavez, in his role as Dear Leader,
> would definitely be considered more valuable than anyone else,
> therefore no effort would be too heroic to save him.

Counterpoint: "Where's my personal secrity detail? Are you telling
me that the in the United States the president is considered more
valuable than me?"

-- wds

[cloud dreamer]

Not if there is any chance of a benefit. Any chance.

A relative of mine was treated for a cancer 30 odd years ago even though
he had a terminal form of the disease. They tried an experimental
treatment that worked (first one to be successful after a dozen attempts
that showed promise but failed). The first one to get the same treatment
in the US didn't get it until three years later. In those three years,
hundreds, maybe thousands, of Americans were denied this potentially
life saving treatment because it was "experimental."

My sister-in-law was terminal with breast cancer and got a last-ditch
effort operation. Don't know the details of the second operation but I
know she was put on expensive drugs afterwards that were just starting
to show promise. Gave her a few extra months.

The only reason a Canadian would be denied treatment was if there was no
chance of any benefit.

Oh, and the commercial the Right had running in the US of a Canadian
with "brain cancer" who was denied treatment up here but went to the US
for treatment. What they leave out is that her cancer was benign and
doctors here told her they'd do more damage removing it than if it
remained. She panicked and went south to get it out. Apparently, she has
suffered from effects from the U.S. operation.

Rich is talking out of his ass again. Our system may not be perfect but
you'd be hard pressed to find any Canadian (other than Rich) who'd give
it up for a US style system.

Up here, no one is sent home to die because they're poor.

..

[trotsky]

No, but Rich would be sent home because there is no benefit to him living.

[trotsky]

How batshit crazy do you have to be to complain about how much medical
treatment Chavez is getting?

[David Johnston]

And if you are rich enough to afford those procedures out of pocket, why
aren't you able to leave the country you are in?

[Ubiquitous]

Chavez looks rather plump for someone who's sppsd to have terminal
cancer.

--
"As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of
the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of
liberty and almost any deprivation."

[Tom]

On Jan 20, 4:30 pm, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> rander3...@gmail.com wrote:
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21113390
>
> >There is no way they would allow multiple operations for near n-stage
> >cancer in a socialized medical system.  Example, if you get cancer and
> >need an operation, you will get it. However, if it comes back and has
> >spread, there is a good likelihood you would not be allowed another
> >operation, or the doctors would do their best to dissuade you from
> >having it.  This reflects the need to ration finite medical resources
> >in such a system.
>
> Chavez looks rather plump for someone who's sppsd to have terminal
> cancer.
>
> --

Did you visit him recently?

Tom

[Tom]

Seems like he's afraid Chavez is getting more socialized services than
he...

Tom

[Tom]

Too bad there's not a treatment for that.

>Our system may not be perfect but
> you'd be hard pressed to find any Canadian (other than Rich) who'd give
> it up for a US style system.
>
> Up here, no one is sent home to die because they're poor.

That's what I thought. My Canadian friends have never had any
complaints about their healthcare.

Tom

[anim8rFSK]

In article <kdhn6d$gts$1...@panix2.panix.com>,

Answer A) Not by me, he muttered darkly.

Answer 2) Hell, yes - if something happens to you, Joe Biden doesn't
rise to power.

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[Antonio E. Gonzalez]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:04:23 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Ummmm, so this must be airing on Discovery Channel, or something.
You know, TV . . .



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- ReFlex76

- <http://twitter.com/ReFlex76>

[Ubiquitous]

>Did you visit him recently?

There are these things called "photographs"; perhaps you've heard of them?

[Mason Barge]

No. He'd get every available treatment. After a six-month waiting
period, eh?

[Mason Barge]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:30:00 -0500, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:

>rande...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21113390
>>
>>There is no way they would allow multiple operations for near n-stage
>>cancer in a socialized medical system. Example, if you get cancer and
>>need an operation, you will get it. However, if it comes back and has
>>spread, there is a good likelihood you would not be allowed another
>>operation, or the doctors would do their best to dissuade you from
>>having it. This reflects the need to ration finite medical resources
>>in such a system.
>
>Chavez looks rather plump for someone who's sppsd to have terminal
>cancer.

It could be steroids. My sister died of a brain tumor and was huge at
the end.

[cloud dreamer]

No. Again, a typical right winger propaganda point. In Canada, you get
treated based on priority.

I'm waiting to get my gall bladder out. The wait is 6-12 weeks. No
problem. I'm not getting a lot of pain...just have a family history of
gb problems and now have the stones in there. If I have an attack, I
just show up at the ER and it will be taken out tomorrow.

Up here, if you get cancer, you'll see an oncologist in less than two
weeks. My father - prostrate cancer - in within a day and treatment
started. My sister-in-law...in within a week but she had waited too long
to see a doctor (kept dismissing the pain) and was dead within a year
despite every treatment possible up to the last days. Another
relative...into see oncologist same day that results got back....treated
experimentally for his usually terminal cancer...survived and now cured.
If he was an American, he would be dead because insurance would not
cover the treatment at the time. Not for another 3 years.

Yeah. Up here, people are treated according to need, not wealth.

Boy, that must piss you off.

..

[Tom]

On Jan 21, 6:53 am, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> drso...@aol.com wrote:
> >On Jan 20, 4:30 pm, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> >> rander3...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21113390
>
> >> >There is no way they would allow multiple operations for near n-stage
> >> >cancer in a socialized medical system.  Example, if you get cancer and
> >> >need an operation, you will get it. However, if it comes back and has
> >> >spread, there is a good likelihood you would not be allowed another
> >> >operation, or the doctors would do their best to dissuade you from
> >> >having it.  This reflects the need to ration finite medical resources
> >> >in such a system.
>
> >> Chavez looks rather plump for someone who's sppsd to have terminal
> >> cancer.
>
> >Did you visit him recently?
>
> There are these things called "photographs"; perhaps you've heard of them?
>
> --
>

So, link to a photo of him in the hospital...

Tom