Supernatural "Taxi Driver" (spoilers)

[Adam H. Kerman]

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Jim Beaver appeared as the soul of the late Bobby Singer, somehow
condemned to hell just because that's what Crowley wanted. They really
left that unexplained how Crowly can change the rules. So, you don't
have to make a deal anymore?

I couldn't find his credit. I played it several times. He wasn't on
the end credits, either. CW, of course, has re-created the end credits,
so mistakes can get made. Still, you'd expect him to be credited
at the top.

It just seemed like more of the same. The test didn't interest me. The
journey in and out was unsuspenseful. I felt sorry for Benny.

Kevin Tran going mad (or was he?) was far more interesting, but
they spent little time on that.

[suzeeq]

crossposting to alt.tv.supernatural

Adam H. Kerman wrote:
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> Jim Beaver appeared as the soul of the late Bobby Singer, somehow
> condemned to hell just because that's what Crowley wanted. They really
> left that unexplained how Crowly can change the rules. So, you don't
> have to make a deal anymore?

A deal for what?

> I couldn't find his credit. I played it several times. He wasn't on
> the end credits, either. CW, of course, has re-created the end credits,
> so mistakes can get made. Still, you'd expect him to be credited
> at the top.

Guess they meant this as a surprise

> It just seemed like more of the same. The test didn't interest me. The
> journey in and out was unsuspenseful. I felt sorry for Benny.
>
> Kevin Tran going mad (or was he?) was far more interesting, but
> they spent little time on that.

They'll probably get bact to Kevin later. Being locked up in a derelict
ship or whatever probably doesn't help his mental state.

[Adam H. Kerman]

suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>> s
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>>Jim Beaver appeared as the soul of the late Bobby Singer, somehow
>>condemned to hell just because that's what Crowley wanted. They really
>>left that unexplained how Crowly can change the rules. So, you don't
>>have to make a deal anymore?

>A deal for what?

Whatever the crossroads demon is offering. Bobby hadn't committed a mortal
sin. Therefore, Crowley changed the rules by grabbing him.

>>I couldn't find his credit. I played it several times. He wasn't on
>>the end credits, either. CW, of course, has re-created the end credits,
>>so mistakes can get made. Still, you'd expect him to be credited
>>at the top.

>Guess they meant this as a surprise

Then why wasn't he credited at the end? Elsewhere, I've read that surprise
or not, if the part is large enough, it must appear at the top per contract.

[suzeeq]

Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
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>>> Jim Beaver appeared as the soul of the late Bobby Singer, somehow
>>> condemned to hell just because that's what Crowley wanted. They really
>>> left that unexplained how Crowly can change the rules. So, you don't
>>> have to make a deal anymore?
>
>> A deal for what?
>
> Whatever the crossroads demon is offering. Bobby hadn't committed a mortal
> sin. Therefore, Crowley changed the rules by grabbing him.

Crowley does that.

>>> I couldn't find his credit. I played it several times. He wasn't on
>>> the end credits, either. CW, of course, has re-created the end credits,
>>> so mistakes can get made. Still, you'd expect him to be credited
>>> at the top.
>
>> Guess they meant this as a surprise
>
> Then why wasn't he credited at the end? Elsewhere, I've read that surprise
> or not, if the part is large enough, it must appear at the top per contract.

Dunno, will have to ask the showrunners.

[Adam H. Kerman]

suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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>>>>Jim Beaver appeared as the soul of the late Bobby Singer, somehow
>>>>condemned to hell just because that's what Crowley wanted. They really
>>>>left that unexplained how Crowly can change the rules. So, you don't
>>>>have to make a deal anymore?

>>>A deal for what?

>>Whatever the crossroads demon is offering. Bobby hadn't committed a mortal
>>sin. Therefore, Crowley changed the rules by grabbing him.

>Crowley does that.

Why? What's to stop Crowley, or the angels, from grabbing as many souls
as possible, then?

I was unhappy with Naomi and Dean's scene. She's supposed to be a villain.
She's supposed to be Dean's enemy. Switching sides makes no sense. We
still don't know what she was doing to begin with. She knows this, yet
at the end (backing down Crowley over Bobby's soul), she still expected
Dean to have accepted her.

One clever thing this season was making angels vaguely robotic, built upon
underlying instructions. But I guess that's how you get absolute obedience.

[suzeeq]

I just meant Crowley always changes the rules.

> I was unhappy with Naomi and Dean's scene. She's supposed to be a villain.
> She's supposed to be Dean's enemy. Switching sides makes no sense. We
> still don't know what she was doing to begin with. She knows this, yet
> at the end (backing down Crowley over Bobby's soul), she still expected
> Dean to have accepted her.

Naomi seems to be playing both sides. I dunno what's up with her. Maybe
she sees Dean and Same as the only hope for winning whatever
Crowley/angel battle is supposed to take place and wants to be in Dean's
good graces for the big favor she's going to ask him.

> One clever thing this season was making angels vaguely robotic, built upon
> underlying instructions. But I guess that's how you get absolute obedience.

Well if God is still out of the building you gotta have something....

[Adam H. Kerman]

He's not being prevented from changing the rules. In theory, he wouldn't
prevent the angels from changing the rules either. So why don't both side
grab souls regardless of any mortal sins?

[suzeeq]

You'll have to ask the writers. This is set in a different universe than
ours and they make up the parameters.

[Adam H. Kerman]

There aren't any. That's why I found it rather weak.

[William December Starr]

In article <kjpmtj$cv6$1...@news.albasani.net>,

When there aren't any writers on a scripted show weakness
does often result.

(Note: "Humor. It is a difficult concept.")

-- wds

[Adam H. Kerman]

When you have to explain the joke...

[Jim G.]

Adam H. Kerman sent the following on Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:21:50 +0000
(UTC):

> It just seemed like more of the same.

This pretty much sums this one up for me.

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"Relax. It's North Korea, the nation-state equivalent of the short bus." -- Sterling Archer, ARCHER

[I R A Darth Aggie]

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 18:31:24 +0000 (UTC),
Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com>, in

Or maybe Crowley made a deal with Naomi. *gah* I don't want to know
how they sealed that one.

> I was unhappy with Naomi and Dean's scene. She's supposed to be a villain.
> She's supposed to be Dean's enemy. Switching sides makes no sense. We
> still don't know what she was doing to begin with. She knows this, yet
> at the end (backing down Crowley over Bobby's soul), she still expected
> Dean to have accepted her.

She wants the Brothers Winchester to accept her as one of the "good
guys". She does have a rogue angel with the angel tablet on the loose,
and two more people on the lookout won't hurt.

It will make the resulting betrayal so much more brutal. On the other
hand, do you think the Naomi would be opposed to what the Winchesters
are up to?

Besides, pissing off Crowley seems to bring a certain amount of
satisfaction amongst his enemies.

--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
isn't looking good, either.
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.

[suzeeq]

That could be. They seemed to be in cahoots, or at least knew each other...