Summer Glau joins "Dollhouse"
David
Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
by James Hibberd
Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
"Dollhouse" this fall.
The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
The actress previously worked with Whedon on "Firefly." Whedon
expressed interest in Glau joining the show back at Comic Con.
In addition to Glau, Whedon has a whole host of geek-friendly names
visiting the show in season two: Jamie Bamber (from "Battlestar
Galactica") is a charismatic businessman who's Echo's new husband (!).
Michael Hogan ("Battlestar" again) comes to Dollhouse hoping to stop a
psychotic family member's killing spree. Alexis Denisof ("Angel") is a
U.S. senator leading a witch hunt to track down the underground
organization. Keith Carradine ("Dexter") is a nemesis of Dollhouse
leader Adelle.
Here's a cool Fox promo from last season that tried to sell Dushku and
Glau as a package deal ...
Ian J. Ball
> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>
> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> by James Hibberd
>
> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>
> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
Interesting.
But I wonder if Amy Acker will be back at all, now that she's the lead
in "Happy Town"... :(
Mac Breck
> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>
> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> by James Hibberd
>
> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>
> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-------------------------------
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Durkani: It doesn't matter if they believe us. Sooner or later the
truth's going to come out. The truth is....
Kendarr: ....out of fashion.
PV
>Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>"Dollhouse" this fall.
Bound to happen sooner or later!
So, I guess "Epitaph One" isn't canonical. Was it only made as a cap for
the series if there was no renewal? I was pretty impressed by it. *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> "Dollhouse" this fall.
> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
I like Summer's work. I like Eliza's work. I like Joss' work. For
people who like Dollhouse this is a good move.
But I did not like Dollhouse at all. I could barely sit through the
episodes I watched and finally gave it up altogether.
Perhaps I was expecting something different; this being a Joss
production and all.
But Dollhouse was always so heavy, serious, ponderous, and
mellodramatic. Unlike other fantasy shows, it was hard to suspend
normal reality and accept the premise; a lot of things simply didn't
fit. The story lines got too convuluted. (As they did in the final
years of Buffy and Sarah Connor). I couldn't stand the computer geek
who did the actual brainwashing.
I also don't think Eliza does that well in Dollhouse. That is, her
best role is basically a kick-ass action toughie. For Dollhouse she
has to play all sorts of roles but in things other than an kick-ass
she comes off very artificial. In B/VS that worked out great because
it was artifiicial, but in Dollhouse it's supposed to be real.
Fallen
> On Aug 27, 11:07 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>>"Dollhouse" this fall.
>>The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>>Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
>>employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
>
>
> I like Summer's work. I like Eliza's work. I like Joss' work. For
> people who like Dollhouse this is a good move.
>
> But I did not like Dollhouse at all. I could barely sit through the
> episodes I watched and finally gave it up altogether.
>
> Perhaps I was expecting something different; this being a Joss
> production and all.
>
> But Dollhouse was always so heavy, serious, ponderous, and
> mellodramatic.
And rapey. You forgot rapey.
Fallen.
David
> So, I guess "Epitaph One" isn't canonical. Was it only made as a cap for
> the series if there was no renewal? I was pretty impressed by it. *
It's supposed to be in continuity. They'll reference it next season.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/126dbe98ac2a5a95
Dano
> On Aug 27, 11:07 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
>> employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
>
> I like Summer's work. I like Eliza's work. I like Joss' work. For
> people who like Dollhouse this is a good move.
>
> But I did not like Dollhouse at all. I could barely sit through the
> episodes I watched and finally gave it up altogether.
>
> Perhaps I was expecting something different; this being a Joss
> production and all.
>
> But Dollhouse was always so heavy, serious, ponderous, and
> mellodramatic. Unlike other fantasy shows, it was hard to suspend
> normal reality and accept the premise; a lot of things simply didn't
> fit. The story lines got too convuluted. (As they did in the final
> years of Buffy and Sarah Connor). I couldn't stand the computer geek
> who did the actual brainwashing.
>
I think you hit it. I stuck with it...and I'll give it another chance...but
I missed the sense of humor I got used to with his other shows...notably
Firefly. It's harder to take this lightly as it is basically a show about
slavery and high tech pimps.
The geek himself could be funny if he weren't so completely amoral. Maybe
it's just me...but I find it hard to warm to many of these characters. They
finally showed a glimmer of hope, humor and lightness with the arrival of
old friend Alan Tudyk...unfortunately that lighter touch was destined to
vanish before the end of that episode.
> I also don't think Eliza does that well in Dollhouse. That is, her
> best role is basically a kick-ass action toughie. For Dollhouse she
> has to play all sorts of roles but in things other than an kick-ass
> she comes off very artificial. In B/VS that worked out great because
> it was artifiicial, but in Dollhouse it's supposed to be real.
Eliza is nice to look at. That's where her acting chops end for me. She's
a pretty much a mannequin from what I've seen of her...though she plays a
blank slate well. Honestly I haven't seen her act that much.
Anim8rFSK
<d908e380-7fee-4336...@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>
> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> by James Hibberd
>
> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
>
> The actress previously worked with Whedon on "Firefly." Whedon
> expressed interest in Glau joining the show back at Comic Con.
>
> In addition to Glau, Whedon has a whole host of geek-friendly names
> visiting the show in season two: Jamie Bamber (from "Battlestar
> Galactica") is a charismatic businessman who's Echo's new husband (!).
> Michael Hogan ("Battlestar" again) comes to Dollhouse hoping to stop a
Okay, men from BSG will drive me away again
> psychotic family member's killing spree. Alexis Denisof ("Angel") is a
> U.S. senator leading a witch hunt to track down the underground
> organization. Keith Carradine ("Dexter") is a nemesis of Dollhouse
> leader Adelle.
Grrr
>
> Here's a cool Fox promo from last season that tried to sell Dushku and
> Glau as a package deal ...
--
Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
--actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> David wrote:
> > http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
> >
> > Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> > by James Hibberd
> >
> > Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> > "Dollhouse" this fall.
> >
> > The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
> > Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> > employee who .....
>
> Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
Yeah, that was my reaction. I'm tempted to start screaming NO POWER ON
EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
youse guys will hold me to it.
Anim8rFSK
Fallen
There are no good guys to root for in the show. Some of the characters
are presented as good guys, like the black dude whos job it is to sit in
a van and watch Echo get repeatedly raped, or the agent who was after
the Dollhouse but who then joins the Dollhouse after having sex with a
doll, but they aren't. They're not even close to good guys, they are in
fact clear cut bad guys who are on the side of rapists and murderers.
I suppose the dolls could be the good guys but it's difficult to root
for them when we don't actually know the characters, the only one we do
know about is Caroline/Echo and she was incredibly stupid and annoying.
They are just blank slate rape victims. Not really the joyful
antagonists you'd expect from prime time Joss Whedon fare.
Yes there's opportunity, as we saw in Epitaph one if you could be arsed
to buy the dvd or download it from somewhere, for characters to switch
sides but there's no good side for them to join. We watched an entire
season of bad guys pimping out rape victims and now we're what? Waiting
for some of them to man up and become good in some way?
I'd be quite happy for all the non-doll characters to get shot and
killed or get sent straight to jail to enjoy their own dose of rapeyness.
The last programme to screw up in this way was Smith, who managed to
have their protagonists murder some security guards in the opening
scenes and then got cancelled after like 3 episodes.
Fallen.
The Hungarian Conspiracy
> On Aug 27, 11:07�am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
>> employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
>
> I like Summer's work.
I like Summer's body.
--
Scheming to take over the world since 1979.
Dimensional Traveler
> In article <OJydnQI9CMYIOQvX...@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> David wrote:
>>> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>>>
>>> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
>>> by James Hibberd
>>>
>>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>>>
>>> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>>> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
>>> employee who .....
>> Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>
> Yeah, that was my reaction. I'm tempted to start screaming NO POWER ON
> EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
> youse guys will hold me to it.
>
--
Things I learned from MythBusters #57: Never leave a loaded gun in an
exploding room.
Things I learned from Usenet #29: Do not chew the peach.
Mac Breck
> In article <LMzlm.12345$e%2.5...@newsfe13.ams2>,
> Fallen <fal...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 27, 11:07 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>>>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>>>> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>>>> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a
>>>> Dollhouse employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's
>>>> Echo.
>>>
>>>
>>> I like Summer's work. I like Eliza's work. I like Joss' work. For
>>> people who like Dollhouse this is a good move.
>>>
>>> But I did not like Dollhouse at all. I could barely sit through the
>>> episodes I watched and finally gave it up altogether.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I was expecting something different; this being a Joss
>>> production and all.
>>>
>>> But Dollhouse was always so heavy, serious, ponderous, and
>>> mellodramatic.
>>
>> And rapey. You forgot rapey.
>
> I like rapey.
I liked the creative spelling of melodramatic.
Mac Breck
> In article <OJydnQI9CMYIOQvX...@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> David wrote:
>>> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>>>
>>> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
>>> by James Hibberd
>>>
>>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>>>
>>> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>>> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a
>>> Dollhouse employee who .....
>>
>> Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>
> Yeah, that was my reaction. I'm tempted to start screaming NO POWER
> ON EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
> youse guys will hold me to it.
WE WILL RESIST!
PV
Neat, thanks. So we can say we got a glimpse of the end of the series if we
paid the two bucks to download the episode or watched the DVD.
Given the amorality of the Active concept and Topher's total lack of
introspection, I think it's a logical place for the series to end up. And
it was a very good setting and story. *
DJensen
> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>
> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
News from January 2010: 'Dollhouse' cancelled, Glau Curse claims 5th victim
--
DJensen
Ian J. Ball
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <OJydnQI9CMYIOQvX...@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > David wrote:
> > > http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
> > >
> > > Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> > > by James Hibberd
> > >
> > > Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> > > "Dollhouse" this fall.
> > >
> > > The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
> > > Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> > > employee who .....
> >
> > Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>
> Yeah, that was my reaction. I'm tempted to start screaming NO POWER ON
> EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
> youse guys will hold me to it.
Meanwhile, I'm cool settling down with a steamin' cup o' Eliza and
Summer... ;p
--
"There's no business, like Cho business."
- Patrick Jane, "The Mentalist", 02/11/09
Ian J. Ball
jj
>Eliza is nice to look at. That's where her acting chops end for me. She's
>a pretty much a mannequin from what I've seen of her...though she plays a
>blank slate well. Honestly I haven't seen her act that much.
I was riveted I tell you, riveted when in True Lies she was hanging on
for dear life on the nose of the Harrier Jump jet as Arnie tried to
keep her from falling. <sarcasm off> :-)
mar...@earthlink.net
> In article <OJydnQI9CMYIOQvXnZ2dnUVZ_gidn...@supernews.com>,
How about "No power in the 'verse" instead?
Taylor
jj
LOL, let's see, I can get these without internet assist.
Firefly
The Unit
Sarah Connor Chronic.
Doll Hut
Which one am I missing? Angel? 4400? other?
Davej
>
> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
What a waste. Here we have a show based on the demented premise that
lots and lots of millionaires need hookers whose brains can be erased.
David
> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-E53DB7.12144127082...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > In article <OJydnQI9CMYIOQvXnZ2dnUVZ_gidn...@supernews.com>,
>
> > > David wrote:
> > > >http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>
> > > > Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> > > > by James Hibberd
>
> > > > Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> > > > "Dollhouse" this fall.
>
> > > > The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
> > > > Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> > > > employee who .....
>
> > > Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>
> > Yeah, that was my reaction. I'm tempted to start screaming NO POWER ON
> > EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
> > youse guys will hold me to it.
>
> Meanwhile, I'm cool settling down with a steamin' cup o' Eliza and
> Summer... ;p
1 Ian, 2 cups
(Eww)
Anim8rFSK
Because you can't be a slave anymore, now that a black man is president.
Edward McArdle
<ba5f2b8e-a9b6-4fdd...@m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, "Ian
J. Ball" <ib...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>On Aug 27, 8:07=A0am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>>
>> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
>> by James Hibberd
>>
>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>>
>> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
>> employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
>
>Interesting.
>
>But I wonder if Amy Acker will be back at all, now that she's the lead
>in "Happy Town"... :(
And Jamie bamber is in Law and Order:UK.
--
Edward McArdle
Pete B
@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com says...
> The story lines got too convuluted.
>
You gotta be kidding *g*
Pete B
macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> >> Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
> >
> > Yeah, that was my reaction. I'm tempted to start screaming NO POWER
> > ON EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
> > youse guys will hold me to it.
>
> WE WILL RESIST!
It got better towards the end.
Pete B
says...
>
>
> There are no good guys to root for in the show. Some of the characters
> are presented as good guys, like the black dude whos job it is to sit in
> a van and watch Echo get repeatedly raped,
She was never raped. Pay attention.
> or the agent who was after
> the Dollhouse but who then joins the Dollhouse after having sex with a
> doll, but they aren't. They're not even close to good guys, they are in
> fact clear cut bad guys who are on the side of rapists and murderers.
And you are an escaped loon from a mental institution.
Pete B
berk
> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
>
See, they were really young, and away from home for the first time,
together, you know? And it was lonely and hard and they were curious
and lonely and it didn't hurt anybody else and was nobody's business
anyway, so one thing lead to another and, well, these things happen...
berk
run with it.
phil k.
PV scribbled:
> David <diml...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>On Aug 27, 12:00 pm, pv+use...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>>> So, I guess "Epitaph One" isn't canonical. Was it only made as a cap
>>> for the series if there was no renewal? I was pretty impressed by it.
>>> *
>>
>>It's supposed to be in continuity. They'll reference it next season.
>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/126dbe98ac2a5a95
>
> Neat, thanks. So we can say we got a glimpse of the end of the series if
> we paid the two bucks to download the episode or watched the DVD.
>
> Given the amorality of the Active concept and Topher's total lack of
> introspection, I think it's a logical place for the series to end up.
> And it was a very good setting and story. *
Well, I found it rather one-sided. Just imagine we could copy Carl
Sagan's (R.I.P.) mind into Kent Hovind's excuse for a brain. If it
doesn't implode in process, the world would become a better place! Such
possibilties weren't even touched by the show yet.
Or just imagine: Instead of death penalty, mind change penalty!
Furthermore I find it rather unsettling that Dollhouse tends to do the
"technology is evil"-routine that Battlestar Galactica made itself guilty
of.
So yeah, it was a logical place for the series to end up for do-gooders.
Though I liked the epsiode as a whole, a bad taste remained. I just hoped
for more moral ambiguity and not some "It's evil"-hammer. After all, it's
supposed to be a Whedon show.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Maybe
> it's just me...but I find it hard to warm to many of these characters.
You're absolutely right, and that was a big reason I stopped
watching. I felt nothing, no connection, to any of the characters.
Usually on a TV show the viewer feels _something_, either a like or
dislike, but some sort of feeling for the characters. On Dollhouse I
felt nothing (except some irritation for the nerd guy).
As an aside, I gave up on Sarah Connor as well. The only reason I
kept at it as long as I did was for Cameron, Summer's character.
(Although I was hoping she'd develop some emotion or feelings but she
never did. The episode in which they showed her as Allison was very
good.)
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
>
> There are no good guys to root for in the show.
That's an excellent point.
Ken from Chicago
"Ian J. Ball" <ib...@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> by James Hibberd
>
> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>
> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
~Interesting.
~But I wonder if Amy Acker will be back at all, now that she's the lead
~in "Happy Town"... :(
It's rare but actors have starred in multiple series simultaneously:
--Lisa Kudrow in MAD ABOUT YOU and FRIENDS
--Gloria Reuben in HOMICIDE: LIFE ON THE STREETS and ER
--Heather Locklear in TJ HOOKER and DYNASTY
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>>
>> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
>> by James Hibberd
>>
>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>>
>> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
>
> Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
No, they trying to guarantee Fox will cancel it now that all the Mutant
Enemy alumni are on the same show.
> --
> Mac Breck (KoshN)
> -------------------------------
> "Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
> Durkani: It doesn't matter if they believe us. Sooner or later the
> truth's going to come out. The truth is....
> Kendarr: ....out of fashion.
Plus, once you start watching the show, THEN it gets cancelled.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote in message
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500 days of Eliza and Summer?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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~1 Ian, 2 cups
~(Eww)
His cups runneth over.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Should that be 4 cups?
Ken from Chicago
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> In article <ijball-NO_SPAM-C39...@nntp.aioe.org>,
> "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-E53DB...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
>> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <OJydnQI9CMYIOQvX...@supernews.com>,
>> > "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > David wrote:
>> > > > http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>> > > >
>> > > > Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
>> > > > by James Hibberd
>> > > >
>> > > > Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>> > > > "Dollhouse" this fall.
>> > > >
>> > > > The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>> > > > Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a
>> > > > Dollhouse
>> > > > employee who .....
>> > >
>> > > Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>> >
>> > Yeah, that was my reaction. I'm tempted to start screaming NO POWER ON
>> > EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
>> > youse guys will hold me to it.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I'm cool settling down with a steamin' cup o' Eliza and
>> Summer... ;p
>
> Because you can't be a slave anymore, now that a black man is president.
Just in time for cosmic doom.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. "Black president" is SF for future oncoming cosmic disaster.
Ken from Chicago
<mar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5d319e5a-6b62-4622...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
~How about "No power in the 'verse" instead?
Heh!
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
> In article <OJydnQI9CMYIOQvX...@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> David wrote:
>> > http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>> >
>> > Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
>> > by James Hibberd
>> >
>> > Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>> > "Dollhouse" this fall.
>> >
>> > The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>> > Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
>> > employee who .....
>>
>> Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>
> Yeah, that was my reaction. I'm tempted to start screaming NO POWER ON
> EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
> youse guys will hold me to it.
It's too late, Anim, and you already know why:
"You can't stop the signal."--Anim8rFSK.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. "Aim to misbehave."--Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"PV" <pv+u...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:2fOdnf8g3YIlMAvX...@supernews.com...
> David <diml...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>>"Dollhouse" this fall.
>
>
> So, I guess "Epitaph One" isn't canonical. Was it only made as a cap for
> the series if there was no renewal? I was pretty impressed by it. *
> * PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
> like corkscrews.
Whedon says it is canon--but he's also said no new slayer after Buffy
"died".
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. "Writers are evil."--Ken from Chicago
Mac Breck
My tolerance level for Eliza seems to be ~90 minute movie length. A
whole DVD of four episodes (~180 minutes) would be an overdose. Gah!!!
Of course, if she flashed her tots, that'd help.
Mac Breck
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OJydnQI9CMYIOQvX...@supernews.com...
>> David wrote:
>>> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>>>
>>> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
>>> by James Hibberd
>>>
>>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>>>
>>> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>>> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a
>>> Dollhouse employee who .....
>>
>> Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>
> No, they trying to guarantee Fox will cancel it now that all the
> Mutant Enemy alumni are on the same show.
>
So, if I start watching this show, and THEN it gets cancelled, would
that make me the good guy or the bad guy? Answer: [Vorlon] "Yes."
[/Vorlon]
I guess I should start watching this show so that Summer gets on a good,
non-FOX show.
Fallen
> In article <0iClm.3525$I07....@newsfe04.ams2>, fal...@ntlworld.com
> says...
> >
>
>>There are no good guys to root for in the show. Some of the characters
>>are presented as good guys, like the black dude whos job it is to sit in
>>a van and watch Echo get repeatedly raped,
>
>
> She was never raped. Pay attention.
Yes, yes, fans like to pretend or fanwank away the obvious rape as
'something else'. But it's rape, deal with it.
Fallen.
Ian J. Ball
wrote:
> "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote in messagenews:ijball-NO_SPAM-C39...@nntp.aioe.org...
>
>
>
> > In article <ANIM8Rfsk-E53DB7.12144127082...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> > Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> In article <OJydnQI9CMYIOQvXnZ2dnUVZ_gidn...@supernews.com>,
>
> >> > David wrote:
> >> > >http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>
> >> > > Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> >> > > by James Hibberd
>
> >> > > Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> >> > > "Dollhouse" this fall.
>
> >> > > The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
> >> > > Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> >> > > employee who .....
>
> >> > Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>
> >> Yeah, that was my reaction. I'm tempted to start screaming NO POWER ON
> >> EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
> >> youse guys will hold me to it.
>
> > Meanwhile, I'm cool settling down with a steamin' cup o' Eliza and
> > Summer... ;p
>
If that's what it takes!! ;)
Dano
Tell me. Is it rape when a prostitute has sex? These "dolls" all knew they
were giving up control, no? Was there a pledge that their duties would
never include having sex? I missed that ep.
PV
>Well, I found it rather one-sided. Just imagine we could copy Carl
>Sagan's (R.I.P.) mind into Kent Hovind's excuse for a brain. If it
>doesn't implode in process, the world would become a better place! Such
>possibilties weren't even touched by the show yet.
You can't have the good without the bad, and the bad ... leads to the end
of the world, almost inevitably. *
Kujo
43dbb2...@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>
> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> by James Hibberd
>
> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>
Perfect fit for the show. You could even make the argument she would have
been a better lead than Eliza. Not as hot, but she's a much better actress.
:)
The show can only get better now.
Fallen
You can't give up free will. You can't sign yourself into slavery, it's
illegal. There's been no indication that the laws are different in the
Dollhouse universe, in fact as they operate in secrecy etc. and there's
an FBI agent after them the opposite is in evidence.
A prostitute chooses everything they do (usually, but that's a different
argument), a doll does not. We already know at least one of the main
dolls didn't even sign up at all (Sierra) and what we saw of Caroline's
induction didn't gel with what we've seen. She was pretty much sold a
health spa and ends up a sex toy and killer.
Everyone who works for the Dollhouse is basically scum of the highest
order, regardless of how witty or earnestly they are presented in the
show. There's no grey area and all the justifications presented within
the context of the show have been ludicrously bad.
Fallen.
Anim8rFSK
Kujo <ku...@noname.com> wrote:
Anything would make Dollhouse better. Hiring Summer, cancelling it,
anything.
David Johnston
>xpost to alt.tv.dollhouse
>
>PV scribbled:
>
>> David <diml...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>On Aug 27, 12:00�pm, pv+use...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>>>> So, I guess "Epitaph One" isn't canonical. Was it only made as a cap
>>>> for the series if there was no renewal? I was pretty impressed by it.
>>>> *
>>>
>>>It's supposed to be in continuity. They'll reference it next season.
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/126dbe98ac2a5a95
>>
>> Neat, thanks. So we can say we got a glimpse of the end of the series if
>> we paid the two bucks to download the episode or watched the DVD.
>>
>> Given the amorality of the Active concept and Topher's total lack of
>> introspection, I think it's a logical place for the series to end up.
>> And it was a very good setting and story. *
>
>Well, I found it rather one-sided. Just imagine we could copy Carl
>Sagan's (R.I.P.) mind into Kent Hovind's excuse for a brain. If it
>doesn't implode in process, the world would become a better place!
In the same way that killing Hovind so his organs can be harvested
would?
Such
>possibilties weren't even touched by the show yet.
>
>Or just imagine: Instead of death penalty, mind change penalty!
Yep. I bet that capital punishment would become real popular once it
became a means for life extension of the wealthy and powerful.
Dano
> Dano wrote:
>> Fallen wrote:
>>
>>> Pete B wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <0iClm.3525$I07....@newsfe04.ams2>, fal...@ntlworld.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There are no good guys to root for in the show. Some of the
>>>>> characters are presented as good guys, like the black dude whos
>>>>> job it is to sit in a van and watch Echo get repeatedly raped,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> She was never raped. Pay attention.
>>>
>>> Yes, yes, fans like to pretend or fanwank away the obvious rape as
>>> 'something else'. But it's rape, deal with it.
>>>
>>> Fallen.
>>
>>
>> Tell me. Is it rape when a prostitute has sex? These "dolls" all
>> knew they were giving up control, no? Was there a pledge that their
>> duties would never include having sex? I missed that ep.
>>
>
> You can't give up free will. You can't sign yourself into slavery,
> it's illegal.
Absolutely it is illegal...but this is exactly what was done. I'm not
defending it at all. But how fucking stupid must one be to submit to such
an agreement? For any amount of compensation. Prositution is far
preferable. I believe they WERE told enough that they made a supremely
stupid choice by ANY measure.
> There's been no indication that the laws are different
> in the Dollhouse universe, in fact as they operate in secrecy etc.
> and there's an FBI agent after them the opposite is in evidence.
>
Tell us something new will you? But the FBI guy had to leave the FBI and
work outside the system in order to pursue this case. You don't think there
are powerful people...perhaps in the government (more than perhaps)...that
are in on this massive conspiracy?
> A prostitute chooses everything they do (usually, but that's a
> different argument), a doll does not. We already know at least one of
> the main dolls didn't even sign up at all (Sierra) and what we saw of
> Caroline's induction didn't gel with what we've seen. She was pretty
> much sold a health spa and ends up a sex toy and killer.
>
Pretty much? Really? Would you sign a five year contract to even PAY for a
membership at a spa? Let alone turn over total control of your very life to
someone you barely know...or even if you knew them intimately? No. Other
than Sienna as you point out...these people are not very bright to go for
this. For one thing...who is around to enforce the contract?
> Everyone who works for the Dollhouse is basically scum of the highest
> order, regardless of how witty or earnestly they are presented in the
> show. There's no grey area and all the justifications presented within
> the context of the show have been ludicrously bad.
>
I'm not arguing against that. Our "noble" FBI guy might yet turn out to
have righteous motives of course...he could see himself as infiltrating the
organization in order to bring it ALL down. But these "Dolls" are also
responsible for some of the very worst "life choices" I've ever seen human
beings make...for their own greed pretty much.
Hunter
43dbb2...@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, diml...@yahoo.com
says...
> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>
> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> by James Hibberd
>
> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>
> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
>
> expressed interest in Glau joining the show back at Comic Con.
>
> In addition to Glau, Whedon has a whole host of geek-friendly names
> visiting the show in season two: Jamie Bamber (from "Battlestar
> Galactica") is a charismatic businessman who's Echo's new husband (!).
> Michael Hogan ("Battlestar" again) comes to Dollhouse hoping to stop a
> psychotic family member's killing spree. Alexis Denisof ("Angel") is a
> U.S. senator leading a witch hunt to track down the underground
> organization. Keith Carradine ("Dexter") is a nemesis of Dollhouse
> leader Adelle.
>
> Here's a cool Fox promo from last season that tried to sell Dushku and
> Glau as a package deal ...
---
YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS! I hope she has some action
fight scenes!!! Either fighting along side or against Dusku is fine
with me. Maybe both!
--
----->Hunter (still sad that "Terminator:TSCC" didn't make it)
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
Goro
> On 28 Aug 2009 03:16:08 GMT, "phil k." <usenet.p...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >xpost to alt.tv.dollhouse
>
> >PV scribbled:
>
From your mouth to China's ears:
-goro-
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6810287.ece
Executed prisoners in China are being stripped of their kidneys,
livers and hearts in a practice so widespread that two out of three
transplant operations rely on organs removed from condemned criminals.
The China Daily newspaper, in a first public acknowledgement of the
reliance on prisoners for body parts, said that 65 per cent of
donations came from death row. Huang Jiefu, the country’s Deputy
Health Minister, said that condemned prisoners were “definitely not a
proper source for organ transplants”.
Despite a 2007 regulation barring trading in human tissue, demand for
new organs far exceeds legitimate supply.
Only about 130 people have signed up to donate organs since 2003,
according to research by Professor Chen Zhonghua at the Institute of
Organ Transplantation, Tongji Hospital.
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China pledges drastic cut in executions
Beijing swaps firing squads for injections
About one million Chinese need organ transplants each year but only 1
per cent receive one.
To meet demand an illegal trade in organs has boomed in a country that
puts to death more convicted criminals than the rest of the world
combined.
There has also been a surge in living donors. About 40 per cent of
transplants are carried out with organs from living donors, up from 15
per cent in 2006, according to Professor Chen.
Qian Jianmin, chief transplant surgeon with the Shanghai Huashan
Hospital, confirmed that patients were treated with organs from
executed prisoners, and acknowledged that the system, which involves
multiple government departments, was open to abuse.
Officially, death row prisoners are required to give their written
consent for their organs to be removed after death. “Corruption can
arise during the process," Mr Qian told the paper.
He added that some people simply ignored legal procedures to make a
profit.
Illegal transplants from living donors, and tales of foreigners
travelling to China for transplants, are frequently reported by media
and the Ministry of Health.
Death row prisoners in China are usually executed by a bullet to the
back of the head and ambulances wait at execution grounds for doctors
to pronounce a prisoner dead. In some cases it is thought body parts
are removed in these vehicles.
Launching a new service to encourage more legitimate donations, Mr
Huang stressed the rights of prisoners and said: “Transplants should
not be a privilege for the rich."
The new donation system, piloting in 10 provinces and cities, will
encourage post-death donations and start a fund to provide financial
aid to the needy and to donors' families.
China’s organ shortage has become more acute in the past 12 months. A
ruling last year that all death sentences must be approved by the
Supreme Court has sharply reduced the number of executions.
Dimensional Traveler
> Fallen wrote:
>> Dano wrote:
>>> Fallen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pete B wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <0iClm.3525$I07....@newsfe04.ams2>, fal...@ntlworld.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> There are no good guys to root for in the show. Some of the
>>>>>> characters are presented as good guys, like the black dude whos
>>>>>> job it is to sit in a van and watch Echo get repeatedly raped,
>>>>>
>>>>> She was never raped. Pay attention.
>>>> Yes, yes, fans like to pretend or fanwank away the obvious rape as
>>>> 'something else'. But it's rape, deal with it.
>>>>
>>>> Fallen.
>>>
>>> Tell me. Is it rape when a prostitute has sex? These "dolls" all
>>> knew they were giving up control, no? Was there a pledge that their
>>> duties would never include having sex? I missed that ep.
>>>
>> You can't give up free will. You can't sign yourself into slavery,
>> it's illegal.
>
> Absolutely it is illegal...but this is exactly what was done. I'm not
> defending it at all. But how fucking stupid must one be to submit to such
> stupid choice by ANY measure.
>
(at least some of them) was as an alternative to suicide. In at least
one case, it was basically pitched as a "safe" suicide. The Dollhouse
was very deliberately targeting people who were too stressed or suicidal
to make intelligent decisions.
--
Things I learned from MythBusters #57: Never leave a loaded gun in an
exploding room.
Things I learned from Usenet #29: Do not chew the peach.
Thanatos
Fallen <fal...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Dano wrote:
> > Fallen wrote:
> >
> >>Pete B wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <0iClm.3525$I07....@newsfe04.ams2>, fal...@ntlworld.com
> >>>says...
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>>There are no good guys to root for in the show. Some of the
> >>>>characters are presented as good guys, like the black dude whos job
> >>>>it is to sit in a van and watch Echo get repeatedly raped,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>She was never raped. Pay attention.
> >>
> >>Yes, yes, fans like to pretend or fanwank away the obvious rape as
> >>'something else'. But it's rape, deal with it.
> >>
> >>Fallen.
> >
> >
> > Tell me. Is it rape when a prostitute has sex? These "dolls" all knew
> > they
> > were giving up control, no? Was there a pledge that their duties would
> > never include having sex? I missed that ep.
> >
>
> You can't give up free will.
Sure you can.
> You can't sign yourself into slavery, it's illegal.
Not everywhere. We know these dollhouses exist all over the world.
Mac Breck
> David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:d908e380-7fee-4336-a59e-
> 43dbb2...@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>>
>> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
>> by James Hibberd
>>
>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>>
>
> Perfect fit for the show. You could even make the argument she would
> have been a better lead than Eliza. Not as hot,
In your opinion. I vastly prefer Summer; it's in the way she moves. ;)
> but she's a much better actress. :)
That's not exactly a high hurdle to clear.
> The show can only get better now.
Naah.
phil k.
> On 28 Aug 2009 03:16:08 GMT, "phil k." <usene...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>> Given the amorality of the Active concept and Topher's total lack of
>>> introspection, I think it's a logical place for the series to end up.
>>> And it was a very good setting and story. *
>>
>>Well, I found it rather one-sided. Just imagine we could copy Carl
>>Sagan's (R.I.P.) mind into Kent Hovind's excuse for a brain. If it
>>doesn't implode in process, the world would become a better place!
>
> In the same way that killing Hovind so his organs can be harvested
> would?
Yes. Doing the "right thing" does not automaticly make the world a better
place. Sometimes the amoral deed can be the right one.
I am not saying it is not "bad". And I am not proposing we should kill
him in real life. But I have something against /stories/ where the bad
thing ultimativly leads to a bad outcome. It's a fairy tale logic. Alas,
those are very popular.
> Such
>>possibilties weren't even touched by the show yet.
>>
>>Or just imagine: Instead of death penalty, mind change penalty!
>
> Yep. I bet that capital punishment would become real popular once it
> became a means for life extension of the wealthy and powerful.
I was thinking in another direction. Instead of killing a body (more
fitting: a brain), change that brain's software. Make him a working part
of society again. Of course this is ... iffy ... but, I want my Dollhouse
show to be grey, not this black and white -- but black and white is the
direction it is leaning to. I am hoping that things are a bit more
complex than indicated by the Epitaph One.
This is why I will still be watching:
"At the San Diego Comicon, Joss Whedon screened the episode and later
said that "even though the future is fixed, and the stuff we see in
"Epitaph One" is definitely real, we haven't seen the whole picture.
For one thing, the "flash backs" we saw featuring our main characters
were memories and may have been unreliable, plus some of those events
may not have played out the way we thought they did."
Pete B
macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> > It got better towards the end.
>
> My tolerance level for Eliza seems to be ~90 minute movie length. A
> whole DVD of four episodes (~180 minutes) would be an overdose. Gah!!!
Yeah, gotta admit I find her annoying as well. Perhaps the last episode
was better because she wasn't in it ;)
> Of course, if she flashed her tots, that'd help.
Not sure that would help :)
Pete B
says...
I'm not a fan. Just intelligent enough to understand what we saw.
>
> Fallen.
>
Mac Breck
That's like the mindwipes and reconditioning (the "Death of
Personality") in "Babylon 5." See:
"The Quality of Mercy" (Season 1, Episode 21 of 22)
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/021.html
"Passing Through Gethsemane" (Season 3, Episode 4 of 22)
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/048.html
OTOH, messing with somebody else's mind, changing it, even with good
intentions, is viewed as a really *bad* thing, a violation of one of the
rules of magic that'll get you summarily executed (beheaded by a Warden
of the White Council in "The Dresden Files."), unless somebody
intercedes on the offender's behalf, and then both have the Sword of
Damocles hanging over their heads until the White Council determines
that the offender is rehabilitated.
Pete B
usene...@yahoo.de says...
> xpost to alt.tv.dollhouse
>
> PV scribbled:
>
> >>On Aug 27, 12:00 pm, pv+use...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> >>> So, I guess "Epitaph One" isn't canonical. Was it only made as a cap
> >>> for the series if there was no renewal? I was pretty impressed by it.
> >>> *
> >>
> >>It's supposed to be in continuity. They'll reference it next season.
> >>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/126dbe98ac2a5a95
> >
> > Neat, thanks. So we can say we got a glimpse of the end of the series if
> > we paid the two bucks to download the episode or watched the DVD.
> >
> > introspection, I think it's a logical place for the series to end up.
> > And it was a very good setting and story. *
>
> Well, I found it rather one-sided. Just imagine we could copy Carl
> Sagan's (R.I.P.) mind into Kent Hovind's excuse for a brain. If it
>
> Or just imagine: Instead of death penalty, mind change penalty!
Yeah, they did that on Babylon 5 - good episode :)
> So yeah, it was a logical place for the series to end up for do-gooders.
> Though I liked the epsiode as a whole, a bad taste remained. I just hoped
> for more moral ambiguity and not some "It's evil"-hammer. After all, it's
> supposed to be a Whedon show.
yeah, but they got directions from fox, like apparently no stories about
prostitution (despite what some dimwits say).
And apparently they got a more free hand for season 2.
Pete B
kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
>
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OJydnQI9CMYIOQvX...@supernews.com...
> > David wrote:
> >>
> >> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> >> by James Hibberd
> >>
> >> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> >> "Dollhouse" this fall.
> >>
> >> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> >
> > Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>
> Enemy alumni are on the same show.
Don't they just need Summer Glau?
Pete B
kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
>
> "PV" <pv+u...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:2fOdnf8g3YIlMAvX...@supernews.com...
> > David <diml...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >>Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> >>"Dollhouse" this fall.
> >
> > Bound to happen sooner or later!
> >
> > So, I guess "Epitaph One" isn't canonical. Was it only made as a cap for
> > the series if there was no renewal? I was pretty impressed by it. *
> > --
> > * PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
> > like corkscrews.
>
> Whedon says it is canon--but he's also said no new slayer after Buffy
> "died".
When and how did he say that? Words are everything.
Mac Breck
Correction: Laws of Magic
Pete B
macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> Kujo wrote:
> > David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:d908e380-7fee-4336-a59e-
> > 43dbb2...@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
> >
> >> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
> >>
> >> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> >> by James Hibberd
> >>
> >> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> >> "Dollhouse" this fall.
> >>
> >
> > Perfect fit for the show. You could even make the argument she would
> > have been a better lead than Eliza. Not as hot,
>
> In your opinion. I vastly prefer Summer; it's in the way she moves. ;)
I prefer they both move of the stage ;)
> > The show can only get better now.
>
> Naah.
What do you want?
Mac Breck
See "The Alphabet Killer" (2008). There's one scene where she flashes
'em briefly, twice, and _not_ gratuitously ;-) , and they were very
nice. :D Wasn't a bad movie. It was one of the best jobs I've ever
seen her do.
So far, she's got a nice top and she likes dogs. Dammit, the girl's
getting almost likeable.
Hunter
ef3ca4...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, lukeb...@gmail.com
says...
> On Aug 27, 11:07 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
> >
> > Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> > by James Hibberd
> >
> > Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> > "Dollhouse" this fall.
> >
> > Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
> >
> > The actress previously worked with Whedon on "Firefly." Whedon
> > expressed interest in Glau joining the show back at Comic Con.
> >
> > In addition to Glau, Whedon has a whole host of geek-friendly names
> > visiting the show in season two: Jamie Bamber (from "Battlestar
> > Galactica") is a charismatic businessman who's Echo's new husband (!).
> > Michael Hogan ("Battlestar" again) comes to Dollhouse hoping to stop a
> > psychotic family member's killing spree. Alexis Denisof ("Angel") is a
> > U.S. senator leading a witch hunt to track down the underground
> > organization. Keith Carradine ("Dexter") is a nemesis of Dollhouse
> > leader Adelle.
> >
> > Here's a cool Fox promo from last season that tried to sell Dushku and
> > Glau as a package deal ...
>
---
Now it is. Although I am in the minority and actually like
"Dollhouse"-albeit if I had to chose, I would had preferred T:TSCC to
have survived and not "Dollhouse" and bring in Dushku as either a
friendly Terminator to help Cameron or a human with the fighting
skills and maniac physical strength the equal of Sara Connor (Sarah
was was shown overpowering big grown men almost as easily as Cameron
LOL!) and be John's new love interest even if she is older than him.
:-)
And Summer Glau DID NOT kill T:TSCC she was one of the things right
with the show. She was almost as good as Grace Park playing the
individual Eight Model (the Sharons) Humaniod Cylons in BSG showing
acting rage. It is hard *Not* to show emotion in acting but yet give
the character depth, and individuality. Grace Park had to give each
Eight, even if it was not one of the Main two (Sharon Valerii
["Boomer"] and Sharon Agathon ["Athena"]) but the ones with
significant speaking parts, individuality and she did it exceedingly
well. Glau had to to give Cameron personality and even "unintended"
humor but remain emotion near emotionless. And then also give Cameron
a human like personality when she played the real version of Cameron
or when Cameron's chip malfunctions. That is hard I imagine and I
give her accolades for it.
That and she is hot!! Two hot girls on "Dollhouse" (although very
pretty IMHO).
--
----->Hunter
Pete B
says...
> Dano wrote:
> > Fallen wrote:
> >
> >>Pete B wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <0iClm.3525$I07....@newsfe04.ams2>, fal...@ntlworld.com
> >>>says...
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>>There are no good guys to root for in the show. Some of the
> >>>>characters are presented as good guys, like the black dude whos job
> >>>>it is to sit in a van and watch Echo get repeatedly raped,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>She was never raped. Pay attention.
> >>
> >>Yes, yes, fans like to pretend or fanwank away the obvious rape as
> >>'something else'. But it's rape, deal with it.
> >>
> >>Fallen.
> >
> >
> > Tell me. Is it rape when a prostitute has sex? These "dolls" all knew they
> > were giving up control, no? Was there a pledge that their duties would
> > never include having sex? I missed that ep.
> >
>
> You can't give up free will. You can't sign yourself into slavery, it's
> illegal.
Bla bla.
The original wetware is not in the body - the body it self doesn't have
any wishes or choices, it depends on the wetware in the brain. The
wetware in the brain didn't mind what happened. So everything was
consensual.
Mac Breck
Summer's got that fluid way of moving, no doubt from her ballet
background. :-) Eliza's more of a blunt instrument, direct and simple.
Summer's got style and finesse. If they were both swords in
"Highlander" (1986), Eliza would be Connor McLeod's original broadsword.
Summer would be Ramirez's katana.
>>> The show can only get better now.
>>
>> Naah.
>
> What do you want?
[Kosh] Never ask that question! [/Kosh]
I'm saying that just because Summer Glau is going to be in it, that's no
guarantee that it's going to get better. The whole idea and the writing
could still suck.
phil k.
>> So, I guess "Epitaph One" isn't canonical. Was it only made as a cap
>> for the series if there was no renewal? I was pretty impressed by it. *
>
> Whedon says it is canon--but he's also said no new slayer after Buffy
> "died".
And her second death didn't call a new slayer. I suppose the next
/normal/ Slayer would have been called if Faith died and Buffy just
didn't know that as she often told the potentials that her death would
make of them the next Slayer.
Anywho, we know how the story ended.
The Hungarian Conspiracy
> Pete B wrote:
>> In article <ieSdnYaRSb_1LArX...@supernews.com>,
>> macthe...@yahoo.com says...
>>>> It got better towards the end.
>>>
>>> My tolerance level for Eliza seems to be ~90 minute movie length. A
>>> whole DVD of four episodes (~180 minutes) would be an overdose.
>>> Gah!!!
>>
>> Yeah, gotta admit I find her annoying as well. Perhaps the last
>> episode was better because she wasn't in it ;)
>>
>>> Of course, if she flashed her tots, that'd help.
>>
>> Not sure that would help :)
>
> See "The Alphabet Killer" (2008). There's one scene where she flashes
> 'em briefly, twice, and _not_ gratuitously ;-) , and they were very
> nice. :D Wasn't a bad movie. It was one of the best jobs I've ever
> seen her do.
>
> So far, she's got a nice top and she likes dogs.
Or rather, dogs like her.
;)
--
Scheming to take over the world since 1979.
The Hungarian Conspiracy
> It's rare but actors have starred in multiple series simultaneously:
> --Lisa Kudrow in MAD ABOUT YOU and FRIENDS
> --Gloria Reuben in HOMICIDE: LIFE ON THE STREETS and ER
> --Heather Locklear in TJ HOOKER and DYNASTY
Mmm ... Heather Locklear.
Kujo
> Kujo wrote:
>> David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:d908e380-7fee-4336-a59e-
>> 43dbb2...@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>>>
>>> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
>>> by James Hibberd
>>>
>>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>>>
>>
>> Perfect fit for the show. You could even make the argument she would
>> have been a better lead than Eliza. Not as hot,
>
> In your opinion. I vastly prefer Summer; it's in the way she moves. ;)
>
>
>> but she's a much better actress. :)
>
> That's not exactly a high hurdle to clear.
>
Very true. :)
>
>> The show can only get better now.
>
> Naah.
>
Yes, some of the episodes were horrible (especially the one with the
singer), but it did get better towards the end. I was somewhat
disappointed with the finale.
Joss, and the rest of the creative team just need to tone down the
convoluted-ness With the surprise renewal, I'm hoping he'll be extra
motivated to get this show on the level of Buffy, Angel, and Firefly. I
still think the show has a lot of potential.
I have no doubt season 2 will be better, though I wouldn't be surprised
if it gets canceled by mid season.
Dimensional Traveler
Dimensional Traveler
Actually, her second death _did_ call a new slayer.
The Hungarian Conspiracy
>> Here's a cool Fox promo from last season that tried to sell Dushku and
>> Glau as a package deal ...
> ---
> YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS! I hope she has some action
> fight scenes!!! Either fighting along side or against Dusku is fine
> with me. Maybe both!
Catfight. Catfight!
Mac Breck
<snip>
> .... though I wouldn't be
> surprised if it gets canceled by mid season.
It *is* on FOX, so that's almost expected.
peachyashiepassion
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>> In article <OJydnQI9CMYIOQvX...@supernews.com>,
>> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David wrote:
>>>> http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>>>>
>>>> Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
>>>> by James Hibberd
>>>>
>>>> Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
>>>> "Dollhouse" this fall.
>>>>
>>>> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
>>> Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>>
>> ON EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
>> youse guys will hold me to it.
>>
> No. *evil grin*
>
I'm with you on this one.
No.
phil k.
> That and she is hot!!
For a moment I was worried you'd forget this one :)
The Hungarian Conspiracy
phil k.
> Actually, her second death _did_ call a new slayer.
Who?
Zombie Elvis
wrote:
>On Aug 27, 8:07�am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The actress who starred in Fox's now-defunct "Terminator: The Sarah
>> Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a Dollhouse
>> employee who shares a secret past with Eliza Dushku's Echo.
>>
>
>See, they were really young, and away from home for the first time,
>together, you know? And it was lonely and hard and they were curious
>and lonely and it didn't hurt anybody else and was nobody's business
>anyway, so one thing lead to another and, well, these things happen...
They should film that and show it every Christmas....
--
"I recall a time not long ago when a bullet in the chest meant a
sucking chest wound, not a quick bandage job and a climactic
final confrontation with a criminal mastermind atop an unfinished
skyscraper."
- Seen on The Onion
Roberto Castillo
roberto...@ameritech.net
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
http://zombie-gulch.myminicity.com/
phil k.
>> The original wetware is not in the body - the body it self doesn't have
>> any wishes or choices, it depends on the wetware in the brain. The
>> wetware in the brain didn't mind what happened. So everything was
>> consensual.
>>
> The "wetware in the brain" was deleted. It wasn't _there_ to consent.
Yes. Then they put a new "wetware in the brain" there instead. And guess
what, after it gave consent to mutually agreed sex it was fooled to a
treatment and then murdered cold bloodingly in a chair.
The dolls are not raped, oh well, Sierra was, but constantly murdered.
Well, no, not the dolls but their personalities are constantly murdered.
S. R. Newport
Dimensional Traveler
Faith.
The one called by Buffy's first death was Kendra.
Dimensional Traveler
> Kujo wrote:
> <snip>
>> .... though I wouldn't be
>> surprised if it gets canceled by mid season.
>
> It *is* on FOX, so that's almost expected.
>
Dimensional Traveler
ordered to fix a really huge pothole.
berk
wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-ED919...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <ijball-NO_SPAM-C39F5A.17275127082...@nntp.aioe.org>,
> > "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-E53DB7.12144127082...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> >> Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> > In article <OJydnQI9CMYIOQvXnZ2dnUVZ_gidn...@supernews.com>,
> >> > "Mac Breck" <macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > David wrote:
> >> > > >http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/08/summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html
>
> >> > > > Summer Glau joins 'Dollhouse'
> >> > > > by James Hibberd
>
> >> > > > Summer Glau is reuniting with Joss Whedon and joining the cast of
> >> > > > "Dollhouse" this fall.
>
> >> > > > Connor Chronicles" will have a recurring role as Bennett, a
> >> > > > Dollhouse
>
> >> > > Oh, no. They're trying to get me to watch this thing. :-O
>
> >> > Yeah, that was my reaction. I'm tempted to start screaming NO POWER ON
> >> > EARTH WILL GET ME TO WATCH THIS STEAMING PILE OF CRAP AGAIN just so
> >> > youse guys will hold me to it.
>
> >> Summer... ;p
>
> > Because you can't be a slave anymore, now that a black man is president.
>
> Just in time for cosmic doom.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> P.S. "Black president" is SF for future oncoming cosmic disaster.
Yes, but, _we_survive!_ , (well, maybe not ALL of us, but still...)
berk
Fallen
*laugh* Isn't the whole premise of the show that Caroline/Echo retains
her memory/personality somewhat regardless of the process? Plus when
they were exposed to a drug they regained memories without going back in
the chair. So even this sad justification has been disproven within the
context of the show.
Plus who the hell uses the word 'wetware' outside of people who've read
too many cyberpunk books?
Fallen.
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Summer's got that fluid way of moving, no doubt from her ballet
> background. :-) Eliza's more of a blunt instrument, direct and simple.
> Summer's got style and finesse. If they were both swords in
> "Highlander" (1986), Eliza would be Connor McLeod's original broadsword.
> Summer would be Ramirez's katana.
They'd still both be from Zeist.
--
Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
--actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
Anim8rFSK
"phil k." <usene...@yahoo.de> wrote:
Yep
BUFFY ANNE SUMMERS
1980-2001
BELOVED SISTER
DEVOTED FRIEND
SHE SAVED THE WORLD
A LOT
Fallen
> Fallen wrote:
>
>>Dano wrote:
>>
>>>Fallen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Pete B wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <0iClm.3525$I07....@newsfe04.ams2>, fal...@ntlworld.com
>>>>>says...
>>>>>
>>>>>>There are no good guys to root for in the show. Some of the
>>>>>>characters are presented as good guys, like the black dude whos
>>>>>>job it is to sit in a van and watch Echo get repeatedly raped,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>She was never raped. Pay attention.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, yes, fans like to pretend or fanwank away the obvious rape as
>>>>'something else'. But it's rape, deal with it.
>>>>
>>>>Fallen.
>>>
>>>
>>>Tell me. Is it rape when a prostitute has sex? These "dolls" all
>>>knew they were giving up control, no? Was there a pledge that their
>>>duties would never include having sex? I missed that ep.
>>>
>>
>>You can't give up free will. You can't sign yourself into slavery,
>>it's illegal.
>
>
> Absolutely it is illegal...but this is exactly what was done. I'm not
> defending it at all. But how fucking stupid must one be to submit to such
> an agreement? For any amount of compensation. Prositution is far
> preferable. I believe they WERE told enough that they made a supremely
> stupid choice by ANY measure.
Going by the few backgrounds we've seen they were given the 'choice'
instead of jail, suicide or some other situation which left them
incredibly vulnerable and desperate. And again, Sierra didn't even make
that choice.
>>There's been no indication that the laws are different
>>in the Dollhouse universe, in fact as they operate in secrecy etc.
>>and there's an FBI agent after them the opposite is in evidence.
>>
>
> Tell us something new will you? But the FBI guy had to leave the FBI and
> work outside the system in order to pursue this case. You don't think there
> are powerful people...perhaps in the government (more than perhaps)...that
> are in on this massive conspiracy?
Absolutely no idea what this has to do with the argument.
>>A prostitute chooses everything they do (usually, but that's a
>>different argument), a doll does not. We already know at least one of
>>the main dolls didn't even sign up at all (Sierra) and what we saw of
>>Caroline's induction didn't gel with what we've seen. She was pretty
>>much sold a health spa and ends up a sex toy and killer.
>>
>
> Pretty much? Really? Would you sign a five year contract to even PAY for a
> membership at a spa? Let alone turn over total control of your very life to
> someone you barely know...or even if you knew them intimately? No. Other
> than Sienna as you point out...these people are not very bright to go for
> this. For one thing...who is around to enforce the contract?
No, I wouldn't. But I'm not looking at a lifetime in jail, my kid hasn't
just died and I'm suicidal or whatever else the reast of the hundreds of
dolls had wrong with them. Sierra is unlikely to be the only one who
didn't even sign, we only know half a dozen dolls stories and one of
them just happens to be the only one in hundreds that was kidnapped?
They found desperate people and sold them a bill of goods. Now they get
to send them out as rape victims who smile or murderers or whatever they
want.
And we're supposed to watch this and laugh at their hilarious witty
asides? It's not suprising that the ratings were dismal. It's also not
surprising that the rumours of serious changes to the plot for a season
2 are everywhere.
> > Everyone who works for the Dollhouse is basically scum of the highest
>
>>order, regardless of how witty or earnestly they are presented in the
>>show. There's no grey area and all the justifications presented within
>>the context of the show have been ludicrously bad.
>>
>
> I'm not arguing against that. Our "noble" FBI guy might yet turn out to
> have righteous motives of course...he could see himself as infiltrating the
> organization in order to bring it ALL down. But these "Dolls" are also
> responsible for some of the very worst "life choices" I've ever seen human
> beings make...for their own greed pretty much.
You seem to be agreeing with what I said? i.e. A lot of the dolls aren't
particularly good guys either. The only one we really know, and who is
the star of the show, was a total loser. However there are others, like
November who was suiidal at the time and Sierra who didn't sign that
deserve sympathy.
Fallen.
Anim8rFSK
Anim8rFSK
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> phil k. wrote:
> > Dimensional Traveler scribbled:
> >> Actually, her second death _did_ call a new slayer.
> >
> > Who?
>
> Faith.
>
> The one called by Buffy's first death was Kendra.
Kendra's death called Faith.
The Hungarian Conspiracy
> In article <Xns9C75EB...@94.75.244.51>,
> The Hungarian Conspiracy <no...@spam.is.bad.com> wrote:
>
>> "phil k." <usene...@yahoo.de> wrote in rec.arts.tv:
>>
>> > Ken from Chicago scribbled:
>> >
>> >>> So, I guess "Epitaph One" isn't canonical. Was it only made as a
>> >>> cap for the series if there was no renewal? I was pretty
>> >>> impressed by it. *
>> >>
>> >> Whedon says it is canon--but he's also said no new slayer after
>> >> Buffy "died".
>> >
>> > And her second death didn't call a new slayer. I suppose the next
>> > /normal/ Slayer would have been called if Faith died and Buffy just
>> > didn't know that as she often told the potentials that her death
>> > would make of them the next Slayer.
>> >
>> > Anywho, we know how the story ended.
>>
>> I don't.
>
> Buffy died, was buried by her friends
>
> BUFFY ANNE SUMMERS
> 1980-2001
> BELOVED SISTER
> DEVOTED FRIEND
> SHE SAVED THE WORLD
> A LOT
Hello! Perhaps you could have used A FUCKING SPOILER WARNING?