Palinocchio: Sarah's non-existing "death panels" listed as LIE OF THE YEAR (2009)
Taylor
Jillian Rayfield | December 21, 2009, 3:52PM
Facts have been having a tough year, which makes it all the more
significant that PolitiFact has managed to pick a standout winner for
its inaugural "Lie Of The Year" competition: Death Panels.
The site announced today that "of all the falsehoods and distortions
in the political discourse this year, one stood out from the rest.
'Death panels.'" The site provided an explanation for its selection,
which started to gain traction when Sarah Palin wrote about it on her
Facebook page.
Her assertion -- that the government would set up boards to determine
whether seniors and the disabled were worthy of care -- spread through
newscasts, talk shows, blogs and town hall meetings. Opponents of
health care legislation said it revealed the real goals of the
Democratic proposals. Advocates for health reform said it showed the
depths to which their opponents would sink. Still others scratched
their heads and said, "Death panels? Really?"TPM's Eric Kleefeld was
one of the first to catch Palin's Facebook post, which envisioned a
future in which "my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to
stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide,
based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in
society,' whether they are worthy of health care."
In other words, you're welcome!
THE EVOLUTION OF THE DEATH PANEL MEME: For those who still haven't had
enough of the death panels in 2009, check out TPM's comprehensive
history of America's favorite lie.
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Readers Poll Chose Palin's Lie with 61% of the Vote
No surprise, one of Sarah Palin's many lies and disingenuous remarks
has been chosen as "Lie of the Year."
Since Sarah Palin has written a book full of ridiculous assertions,
unsubstantiated "facts," dubious claims, no
references, and wrongly attributed quotes (to be fair, what do you
expect from a person with a ghost writer, an
entire staff to proofread and fact check, and the power of a prominent
publishing house to proofread and fact-check a 400-page book written
in four months?), it isn't difficult to believe that she has also
garnered the "Lie Of The Year." When she wouldn't stop telling the lie
that she never supported the "Bridge To Nowhere" during her vice-
presidential run in 2008, it wasn't a huge leap of faith to believe
that she would stoop to lying to the public again if she felt the
need. And during the health care reform debate, she felt the need. She
invented something that did not exist and told the unwitting that it
was so. And with her invention of the "death panels," Sarah Palin
walked away the winner of the "Lie of the Year," awarded her by the
St. Petersburg Times, home of Politifact, which won the 2009 Pulitzer
Prize for journalism for its work in political fact-checking.
The "Lie of the Year" comes right after "Visorgate," where Sarah Palin
cut short her recent trip to Hawaii because, according to her, the
press hounded her and her family and annoyed other vacationers so much
that they felt they had to leave. And all over the blacking out of
John McCain's name on a sun visor. Palin swears that it wasn't a
political statement, that she was attempting to go "incognito" in
Hawaii by blacking out McCain's name and, therefore, drawing less
attention to herself. The fact that any old baseball cap or tourist-
trap sun visor would have worked better at the "incognito" part never
occurred to her? Either she's lying about trying to remain incognito
or she's lying about not making some sort of political statement by
blacking out her 2008 running mate's name.
But the "Lie of the Year"? Politifact said that Sarah Palin's "death
panels" statement was chosen as the biggest lie of the year by a
readers poll, garnering over 60% of the vote (in a state where 17.4%
of the population would
make up people being judged by those "death panels"). Other lies
included some told by President Obama and
other politicians, like Joe Wilson, whose worst lie was yelling, "You
lie!" at the president during the State of the Union Address. But
nobody's lies were considered as big as Sarah Palin's "death panels"
lie told to torpedo the nascent health care reform legislation that
was at the time being written and debated in Congress.
At the time Sarah Palin made her statement, there were various pieces
of health care reform legislation being considered. It is believed
that Sarah Palin's "death panels" referred to a provision in one
measure which allowed for the voluntary counseling for end-of-life
planning for senior citizens. The gross exaggeration of a service that
would be provided for seniors to help them with regard to living
wills, non-resuscitation orders, and such seems to have come from the
exaggerated hysterics of former New York lieutenant governor Betsy
McCaughey, who made claims that alluded to the creation of panels of
doctors that would be able to approve and deny health care.
Sarah Palin's lie, which was posted on her Facebook account on August
7, 2009: Seniors and the disabled "will have to stand in front of
Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a
subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,'
whether they are worthy of health care."
In her own defense, Sarah Palin told The National Review last month
that her words shouldn't be taken literally. She said the "death
panels" statement was "a lot like when President Reagan used to refer
to the Soviet Union was the evil empire. He got his point across. He
got people thinking and researching what he was talking about. It was
quite effective. Same thing with death panels, I would characterize
them like that again in a heartbeat."
And therein Sarah Palin covers the "Lie of the Year" with another.
Ronald Reagan's depiction of the Soviet Union as the evil empire was
an abstract reference to a political state. Sarah Palin's "death
panels" was a concrete reference to a misleading extrapolation.
Sarah Palin was correct about one thing: Reagan's label was effective.
So was Sarah Palin's. And both operated from the vantage of ignorance,
one of a political entity, the other of a piece of legislation. But
whereas the
U.S.S.R. actually existed and had been considered a threat for
decades, the "death panels" were a figment of Sarah Palin's
imagination and not a threat -- except to health care reform. And then
there is the line about "people thinking and researching," which may
have been true with regard to the Soviet Union, but not with regard to
the "death panels," because just a little research would have been
enough to assure the reader that nothing of the kind existed in
printed form anywhere (as Jon Stewart pointed out so effortlessly to
Betsy McCaughey on "The Daily Show").
Adolf Hitler coined the use of the Big Lie technique in Mein Kampf. It
is not known if Sarah Palin has read or is even familiar with Mein
Kampf, but one thing is certain: she certainly understands the power
of the Big Lie technique to sway the masses -- because, as Hitler
wrote, it is inconceivable that someone "could have the impudence to
distort the truth so infamously."
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Sources:
St. Petersburg Times
Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler
The National Review
"The Daily Show with Jon Stewart," Comedy Central Network
Census.gov
NTVLand (NTV Land) an NTV/NAT Group, Ltd. network
trotsky
> PolitiFact Picks 2009's 'Lie Of The Year': Death Panels!
> Jillian Rayfield | December 21, 2009, 3:52PM
>
> Facts have been having a tough year, which makes it all the more
> significant that PolitiFact has managed to pick a standout winner for
> its inaugural "Lie Of The Year" competition: Death Panels.
>
> The site announced today that "of all the falsehoods and distortions
> in the political discourse this year, one stood out from the rest.
> 'Death panels.'" The site provided an explanation for its selection,
> which started to gain traction when Sarah Palin wrote about it on her
> Facebook page.
>
> Her assertion -- that the government would set up boards to determine
> whether seniors and the disabled were worthy of care -- spread through
> newscasts, talk shows, blogs and town hall meetings. Opponents of
> health care legislation said it revealed the real goals of the
> Democratic proposals. Advocates for health reform said it showed the
> depths to which their opponents would sink. Still others scratched
> their heads and said, "Death panels? Really?"TPM's Eric Kleefeld was
> one of the first to catch Palin's Facebook post, which envisioned a
> future in which "my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to
> stand in front of Obama's 'death panel'
It sounds like a new wrestling move: the Kenyan Death Panel.
"Oh my God! He just used that folding table to give him the Kenyan
Death Panel!"
Not Sure
Actually it sounds like something you charge extra for :)
John Q Public
hahahahahaha
Ezekiel Emmanuelle on the board of deciding how much funding for new medical
research gets cut and the point system where you will be treated by
your supposed
worth to society currently in place with stimulus funds isn't a death
panel, lets call it the
sunshine panel, yep thats what it is, even though it essentially denies
treatment to the
elderly, the very young and those not deemed worthy theyr'e not death panels.
You fucking little marxists got that!
Lyin little fuckwits all of ya
GOP Altered History
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It's my monthly electrric bill, "the Bush/Chinese death panel".
Syvyn11
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> PolitiFact Picks 2009's 'Lie Of The Year': Death Panels!
> Jillian Rayfield | December 21, 2009, 3:52PM
>
> Facts have been having a tough year, which makes it all the more
> significant that PolitiFact has managed to pick a standout winner for
> its inaugural "Lie Of The Year" competition: Death Panels.
If it was a lie, then why did the house remove these "death panels" from one
of their bills?
Twitchell
>
>
>
>"Taylor" <lukeb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:49763a19-156b-43df...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>> PolitiFact Picks 2009's 'Lie Of The Year': Death Panels!
>> Jillian Rayfield | December 21, 2009, 3:52PM
>>
>> Facts have been having a tough year, which makes it all the more
>> significant that PolitiFact has managed to pick a standout winner for
>> its inaugural "Lie Of The Year" competition: Death Panels.
>
>If it was a lie, then why did the house remove these "death panels" from one
>of their bills?
There never were 'death panels', a fact which seems to have escaped you,
Grassley, and a host of others who blindly believed Betsy McCaughey. Try
separating yourself from all the rest of the idiots by doing just a modicum of
research!
twitch
Syvyn11
"Twitchell" <Twitchel...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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Was there something called a "death panel" in that much you are correct.
But there were health management boards. and when they deny you surgery that
you need, deny you a drug to extend your life, deny dialysis. And there is
no appeal, no hope, you can call it any damn thing you want. IT'S A DEATH
PANEL!!
>
record hunter
> "Twitchell" <Twitchell_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> news:hgpeg...@drn.newsguy.com...
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> > In article <cpCdndLlWanSpa3WnZ2dnUVZ_gmdn...@earthlink.com>, Syvyn11
> > says...
>
> >>"Taylor" <lukebenw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:49763a19-156b-43df...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> >>> PolitiFact Picks 2009's 'Lie Of The Year': Death Panels!
> >>> Jillian Rayfield | December 21, 2009, 3:52PM
>
> >>> Facts have been having a tough year, which makes it all the more
> >>> significant that PolitiFact has managed to pick a standout winner for
> >>> its inaugural "Lie Of The Year" competition: Death Panels.
>
> >>If it was a lie, then why did the house remove these "death panels" from
> >>one
> >>of their bills?
>
> > There never were 'death panels', a fact which seems to have escaped you,
> > Grassley, and a host of others who blindly believed Betsy McCaughey. Try
> > separating yourself from all the rest of the idiots by doing just a
> > modicum of
> > research!
>
> > twitch
>
> Was there something called a "death panel" in that much you are correct.
> But there were health management boards. and when they deny you surgery that
> you need, deny you a drug to extend your life, deny dialysis. And there is
> no appeal, no hope, you can call it any damn thing you want. IT'S A DEATH
> PANEL!!
>
>
Which is what managed care companies have been doing since at least
the early 1980s.
Steve Newport
Re: Palinocchio: Sarah's non-existing "death panels" listed as LIE OF
THE YEAR (2009)
From: record...@gmail.com (record hunter) <<<when they deny you
surgery that you need, deny you a drug to extends your life, deny
dialysis.>>>
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Which is what managed care companies have been doing since at least the
early 1980s.
Yes, insurance companies ration care, don't allow you the doctor of your
choice, and already do a lot of other things we're supposed to fear
about "socialized" medicine.
Syvyn11
"record hunter" <record...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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actually Medicare rate of denial is twice what private insurance is. And
under the current system, if medical insurance tells you no. You still
have hope. Charity, paying it yourself. But in ObamaCare SINGLE PAYER
UNIVERSAL NIGHTMARE, there is no appeal, no hope. They tell you no. There
is no other way. That's the folly of single payer.
Steve Newport
UNIVERSAL NIGHTMARE
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Where's that happening?
Ubiquitous
>PolitiFact Picks 2009's 'Lie Of The Year': Death Panels!
>Jillian Rayfield | December 21, 2009, 3:52PM
>
>Facts have been having a tough year, which makes it all the more
>significant that PolitiFact has managed to pick a standout winner for
>its inaugural "Lie Of The Year" competition: Death Panels.
Wrong. That was NOT a lie.
Any you posted this off-topic article here because?
--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
Ubiquitous
>Syvyn11 says...
>>If it was a lie, then why did the house remove these "death panels"
>>from one of their bills?
>
>There never were 'death panels', a fact which seems to have escaped
>you, Grassley, and a host of others who blindly believed Betsy
>McCaughey. Try separating yourself from all the rest of the idiots
Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
--
It's now time for healing, and for fixing the damage the Democrats did
to America.
trotsky
> Twitchel...@newsguy.com wrote:
>> Syvyn11 says...
>
>>> If it was a lie, then why did the house remove these "death panels"
>> >from one of their bills?
>>
>> There never were 'death panels', a fact which seems to have escaped
>> you, Grassley, and a host of others who blindly believed Betsy
>> McCaughey. Try separating yourself from all the rest of the idiots
>
> Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Ubi, if you complain that the subject is "off topic" why would you
invite the poster to get back to you?
Dacato
> "record hunter" <record.hun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> - Show quoted text -
Worried that your social assistance payments for your little 'boo-boo'
will stop being paid? Gone back to work yet or are you still
recovering from your little surgery you lazy asshat?
Steve Newport
from all the rest of the idiots by
ignoring anything Palin, Ubi, or the far right claims.
record hunter
> From: Twitchell_mem...@newsguy.com (Twitchell) Try separating yourself
> from all the rest of the idiots by
> -------------------------------------
> ignoring anything Palin, Ubi, or the far right claims.
That bitch Bachman was on the radio today, inciting people with this
"Death Panel" nonsense. The host of the show was going on about how
the Democrats have taken control and their next move will be to make
selective eliminations of "undesirables." OH, PLEASE.
Steve Newport
on the radio today, inciting people with this "Death Panel" nonsense.
The host of the show was going on about how the Democrats have taken
control and their next move will be to make selective eliminations of
"undesirables." OH, PLEASE.
And Ubi and the other fools here lap it up.
Ubiquitous
>actually Medicare rate of denial is twice what private insurance is.
>And under the current system, if medical insurance tells you no.
>You still have hope. Charity, paying it yourself. But in ObamaCare
>SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL NIGHTMARE, there is no appeal, no hope. They
>tell you no. There is no other way. That's the folly of single
>payer.
How DARE you introduce FACTS to this debate!
Steve Newport
this debate! It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon
with which the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to
turn our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too
bad for them, it's failing.
Lying isn't debating.
Ashton Crusher
wrote:
Damn you are stupid. These "death panels" were put into the bill at
the request of the republicans. What these provisions provided for
was that it insured that you could make an appointment, if you wanted
to, you weren't required to, with your doctor to discuss end of life
issues, sort out living wills, whatever was of concern to YOU, and
your insurance company would be required to pay the doctor for his
time. Basically this was because since it was not "treatment" this
kind of non-symptom, non-current disease meeting with your doctor
would not normally be paid for. Just like now, your insurance company
is not going to pay the cost of you going in to see your doctor for 30
minutes to discuss with him his opinions on national health care, even
though he may be the most knowledgeable person on the subject you
actually know. But Palinocchio, and apparently you, turned this
beneficial meeting with your doctor into a ridiculous "death panel"
meeting when it was nothing of the kind. As I said at the beginning,
damn, you are stupid.
Dacato
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:05:17 -0500, "Syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> >"Twitchell" <Twitchell_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> >news:hgpeg...@drn.newsguy.com...> >>>"Taylor" <lukebenw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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What's even more amazing is that this Syvyn11 guy comes to these
forums now and then bitching and whining about Socialism and all the
while he is collecting Social Assistance for some minor surgery he had
2 years ago. Typical Republican hypocrite is what he is.
clouddreamer
Syvyn doesn't comprehend what modern socialism is. Problem is he
associates "socialism" with "communism" when they have as much in common
as "republicanism" and "fascism."
Oh...wait...
;]
--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.
Syvyn11
"Dacato" <tfit...@mts.net> wrote in message
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I'm worried that when I need dialysis, there will be no machines available.
When I need drugs to stay alive, I will be told that it costs too much.
That's what single payer does, no hope, no choice.
Syvyn11
"Steve Newport" <birdp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
> Re: Palinocchio: Sarah's non-existing "death panels" listed as LIE OF
> THE YEAR (2009)
>
> From: record...@gmail.com (record hunter) <<<when they deny you
> surgery that you need, deny you a drug to extends your life, deny
> dialysis.>>>
> ---------------------------------------
> Which is what managed care companies have been doing since at least the
> early 1980s.
Medicare's rate of denial is TWICE what the average rate for all private
insurance companies.
> ------------------------------------------
> Yes, insurance companies ration care, don't allow you the doctor of your
> choice, and already do a lot of other things we're supposed to fear
> about "socialized" medicine.
When your private insurance denies you, you can still have other options.
Be it charity or even paying for it yourself. With Obama ONEcare, there is
no other hope. They say you can't get a drug because it is too expensive,
that's it! You're dead.
So you can call these boards what ever you want. they are DEATH PANELS!
>
Syvyn11
"Steve Newport" <birdp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Here, soon.
>
Steve Newport
denies you, you can still have other options. Be it charity or even
paying for it yourself. With Obama ONEcare, there is no other hope. They
say you can't get a drug because it is too expensive, that's it! You're
dead.
This makes no sense whatsoever. They're going to stop you from charity
or self-payment? Moreover, the Senate plan-- which has yet to be blended
with the House plan, has no public option, no medicare buy-in, and is
nothing close to single payer. And much of it won't take effect for
years.
Syvyn11
"Steve Newport" <birdp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Do you know what single payer means?
GOVERNMENT CONTROLS ALL HOSPITALS AND DOCTOR'S OFFICES!!!! They set
prices, they set how much care you get. Remember HillaryCare? I do, it
would have been illegal for you to pay out of your pocket or have anyone
else pay. Punishable by JAIL! Just wait, either Obama pays or no
deal.
The biggest lie told by liberals is that this bill would stop needless
deaths. Keith Olbermann told stories of young children dying, only if
there was universal health care. Only passing this bill, will we stop
DEATH itself. Well, people will still die, only now they will be denied
treatment by the government.
>
Steve Newport
NIGHTMARE
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SN: Where's that happening?
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Here, soon.
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SN: Nah, the insurance and drug companies are too powerful, while
Senators from both parties are too corrupt and beholden to their bucks.
Michael O'Connor
Complete Lives program, where the bulk of the medical care will go to
those between the ages of 18 and 50, because they will provide the
most in future taxes to the Government to fund the program. The
government won't get much in future taxes from the elderly, therefore
they will not get as much in health care. Here is a paper co-written
by Ezekiel Emmanuel which lays it out:
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf
So Sarah Palin was lying when she referred to it as "Death Panels";
the actual name is "The Complete Lives Program".
Steve Newport
yet to be blended with the House plan, has no public option, no medicare
buy-in, and is nothing close to single payer. And much of it won't take
effect for years.>>>
Remember HillaryCare?
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Yeah. Big-money and special interests killed that, too.
Syvyn11
"Steve Newport" <birdp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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No, people killed that, too.
>
Syvyn11
"Steve Newport" <birdp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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I'm taking Tom Harkin at his word. This is only a starter home, the
finished product is Universal, Single Payer health care.
Are you saying that Harkin is lying?
>
clouddreamer
Funny how people are so afraid of government run health care...but have
no problem with big-money and special interests running it...
:\
trotsky
> Steve Newport wrote:
>> From: robhor...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11) <<<the Senate plan-- which has
>> yet to be blended with the House plan, has no public option, no medicare
>> buy-in, and is nothing close to single payer. And much of it won't take
>> effect for years.>>>
>> ------------------------------------- Remember HillaryCare?
>> -------------------------------------
>> Yeah. Big-money and special interests killed that, too.
>
>
> Funny how people are so afraid of government run health care...but have
> no problem with big-money and special interests running it...
>
> :\
Afraid is the right word. Health care is the boogeyman, ecology is the
boogeyman, "terrorists" are the boogeyman. Does anybody find it
"coincidental" that a "terrorist attack" occurred the day after the
Senate passed health care legislature?
Not Sure
Steve Newport
starter home, the finished product is Universal, Single Payer health
care.
He's an optimist and/or saving face for a watered-down bill.
Steve Newport
afraid of government run health care...but have no problem with
big-money and special interests running it...
And they have zero accountability.
trotsky
> From: gms...@email.com (trotsky)
> the boogeyman.
> Three reasons why this country is dying. People listening to Sarah
> Palin is a fourth.
Queerly, Glenn Beck might be right--we need to take back this country.
What he fails to mention is that we need to take it back from assholes
such as himself.
But he clearly enjoys a good teabagging!
Syvyn11
"clouddreamer" <Reuse....@nd.Reduce.now> wrote in message
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> Steve Newport wrote:
>> From: robhor...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11) <<<the Senate plan-- which has
>> yet to be blended with the House plan, has no public option, no medicare
>> buy-in, and is nothing close to single payer. And much of it won't take
>> effect for years.>>>
>> -------------------------------------
>> Remember HillaryCare?
>> -------------------------------------
>> Yeah. Big-money and special interests killed that, too.
>
>
> Funny how people are so afraid of government run health care...but have no
> problem with big-money and special interests running it...
cause I trust corporations to hold down costs.
Government never holds down costs.
Syvyn11
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He is a commie and a traitor!
>
record hunter
Her version would be "The Complete Lies Program."
record hunter
> He is a commie and a traitor!
Who? Glenn Beck?
Syvyn11
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> On Dec 27, 4:35 pm, "Syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> He is a commie and a traitor!
>
> Who? Glenn Beck?
Beck is a patriot!
Steve Newport
Health care is the boogeyman, ecology is the boogeyman, "terrorists" are
country. What he fails to mention is that we need to take it back from
assholes such as himself.
He's near the top of a long list.
Steve Newport
would be "The Complete Lies Program."
Not a problem, since she gave up elected office to be a highly-paid,
right-wing "entertainer."
Steve Newport
traitor!
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Nope.
Steve Newport
costs.
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Say what????
Steve Newport
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He's a weird, overpaid. infotainment personality.
record hunter
> From: robhorine...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11) Beck is a patriot!
> ------------------------------------
> He's a weird, overpaid. infotainment personality.
He looks like a geoduck that lost its shell. Google it if you don't
know what I'm talking about.
Steve Newport
overpaid, infotainment personality.>>>
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what I'm talking about.
Also like Rosemary's Baby fathered by George Gobel.
trotsky
And he's trying so hard to be no. 1, but he still smells like no. 2.
trotsky
>>> Health care is the boogeyman, ecology is the boogeyman, "terrorists" are
>>> the boogeyman.
>>> -------------------------------------
>>> Three reasons why this country is dying. People listening to Sarah
>>> Palin is a fourth.
>> Queerly,
>
LOL! When your GOP buddies start instituting gay death panels we won't
have you (whatever anonymous loser you may be) to kick around anymore!
Syvyn11
"Steve Newport" <birdp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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What? Are you stupid, retarded or just illiterate?
Corporations hold down costs better than government. EVERY TIME!
>
Syvyn11
"Steve Newport" <birdp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> From: robhor...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11) Beck is a patriot!
> ------------------------------------
> He's a weird, overpaid. infotainment personality.
And what does that make failed sportscaster Keith Olbermann?
>
Syvyn11
"Steve Newport" <birdp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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All you libs are traitors, I'd put you all in jail and throw away the key
and let you starve!
>
clouddreamer
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahahhahhahahah....
Is he delusional??? OMG...LOL...My ribs hurt....
:O
Padmar Mushkin
wrote:
Oh? Then why is US corporate run health care the most expensive in the
world? And among the least effective among developed countries?
clouddreamer
Yup. I'd like him to explain why seniors come to Canada BY THE BUS LOAD
to buy cheaper prescriptions drugs.
A friend had to go to an ER in the US recently and saw them charge $25
for two pills she knows costs only pennies in Canada.
He's mad if he thinks corporations have his best interest in mind. If
this recession proved anything, it's that corporations are more
concerned with the bottom line than the welfare of the people.
..
record hunter
> From: record.hun...@gmail.com (record hunter) <<<Beck is a weird,
George Gobel. Yes. That may be who I've been thinking about. Yes.
record hunter
> Padmar Mushkin wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> >> "Steve Newport" <birdpare...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >>news:29105-4B3...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net...
> >>> From: robhorine...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11) I trust corporations to hold down
> >>> costs.
> >>> -------------------------------
> >>> Say what????
> >> What? Are you stupid, retarded or just illiterate?
>
> >> Corporations hold down costs better than government. EVERY TIME!
>
> > Oh? Then why is US corporate run health care the most expensive in the
> > world? And among the least effective among developed countries?
>
> Yup. I'd like him to explain why seniors come to Canada BY THE BUS LOAD
> to buy cheaper prescriptions drugs.
>
> A friend had to go to an ER in the US recently and saw them charge $25
> for two pills she knows costs only pennies in Canada.
>
> He's mad if he thinks corporations have his best interest in mind. If
> this recession proved anything, it's that corporations are more
> concerned with the bottom line than the welfare of the people.
Hey, as long as the Repubes are putting gays in concentration camps,
$12.50 a pill isn't much to pay.
Steve Newport
overpaid, infotainment personality.
He looks like Rosemary's Baby fathered by George Gobel.>>>
---------------------------------
SN: Or Garry Moore. But they were charming and entertaining.
trotsky
> Steve Newport wrote:
>> From: robhor...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11) I trust corporations to hold down
>> costs.
>> -------------------------------
>> Say what????
>>
>
>
> Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahahhahhahahah....
>
> Is he delusional??? OMG...LOL...My ribs hurt....
At least you have that luxury with the Canadian health care system.
trotsky
> Padmar Mushkin wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:18:09 -0500, "Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Steve Newport" <birdp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>> news:29105-4B3...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net...
>>>> From: robhor...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11) I trust corporations to hold
>>>> down
>>>> costs.
>>>> -------------------------------
>>>> Say what????
>>> What? Are you stupid, retarded or just illiterate?
>>>
>>> Corporations hold down costs better than government. EVERY TIME!
>>
>> Oh? Then why is US corporate run health care the most expensive in the
>> world? And among the least effective among developed countries?
>>
>
>
> Yup. I'd like him to explain why seniors come to Canada BY THE BUS LOAD
> to buy cheaper prescriptions drugs.
Because seniors like to travel in buses? Newport, can we get a ruling
on this?
cloud dreamer
:D
Not Sure
> >> costs.
> >> -------------------------------
> >> Say what????
>
> > Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahahhahhahahah....
>
> > Is he delusional??? OMG...LOL...My ribs hurt....
>
> At least you have that luxury with the Canadian health care system.
Clouddreamer is female so your cocksucking is of no use here.
cloud dreamer
LOL. Ur on a roll tonite...
;D
Not Sure
wrote:
> On 12/28/2009 7:47 PM, trotsky wrote:
>
>
>
> > clouddreamer wrote:
> >> Padmar Mushkin wrote:
> >>>>news:29105-4B3...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net...
> >>>>> From: robhorine...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11) I trust corporations to hold
> >>>>> down
> >>>>> costs.
> >>>>> -------------------------------
> >>>>> Say what????
> >>>> What? Are you stupid, retarded or just illiterate?
>
> >>>> Corporations hold down costs better than government. EVERY TIME!
>
> >>> Oh? Then why is US corporate run health care the most expensive in the
> >>> world? And among the least effective among developed countries?
>
> >> Yup. I'd like him to explain why seniors come to Canada BY THE BUS
> >> LOAD to buy cheaper prescriptions drugs.
>
> > Because seniors like to travel in buses? Newport, can we get a ruling on
> > this?
>
> LOL. Ur on a roll tonite...
>
> ;D
Has your fat invaded your brain yet?
trotsky
You really felched me out on that one!
trotsky
Is that what caused you not to be straight?
Syvyn11
"clouddreamer" <Reuse....@nd.Reduce.now> wrote in message
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> Padmar Mushkin wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:18:09 -0500, "Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Steve Newport" <birdp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>> news:29105-4B3...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net...
>>>> From: robhor...@yahoo.com (Syvyn11) I trust corporations to hold
>>>> down
>>>> costs.
>>>> -------------------------------
>>>> Say what????
>>> What? Are you stupid, retarded or just illiterate?
>>>
>>> Corporations hold down costs better than government. EVERY TIME!
>>
>> Oh? Then why is US corporate run health care the most expensive in the
>> world? And among the least effective among developed countries?
>>
>
>
> Yup. I'd like him to explain why seniors come to Canada BY THE BUS LOAD to
> buy cheaper prescriptions drugs.
First, there are research costs. Without those, forget new drugs.
Forget new treatments. It's all over.
>
> A friend had to go to an ER in the US recently and saw them charge $25 for
> two pills she knows costs only pennies in Canada.
And in Canada, it would take days to get seen in that emergency room.
>
> He's mad if he thinks corporations have his best interest in mind. If this
> recession proved anything, it's that corporations are more concerned with
> the bottom line than the welfare of the people.
Show me one government program that came in under budget. Hell, show me
one that came in on budget!
Government run health care will bankrupt us.
Syvyn11
"record hunter" <record...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Really? We're putting 'gays' in concentration camps? First I heard of
it. Where?
Dano
"Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Government run health care will bankrupt us.
>
Dano
>
> Really? We're putting 'gays' in concentration camps? First I heard of
> it. Where?
>
I'm sure you'd be for it.
Steve Newport
this?
I have to disqualify myself. I was thrown through the front window of a
bus in 1990.
(I had just paid my fare and was heading to my seat when a woman ran out
in front of the bus and the driver had to slam on the breaks.)
Miraculously, I broke only my glasses and a couple of fingers when I
landed. There was a financial settlement.
Syvyn11
"Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Government run health care will bankrupt us.
>>
> Insurance companies are doing a fine job of that already.
Why do you trust government so blindly to do the right thing. Especially
when it's been shown that it cannot do the right thing and come in under
budget?
>
>
record hunter
> "record hunter" <record.hun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Well, what *is* your intention for them when you take over the
universe?
Dano
I'm sure he'd prefer execution. Camps are too costly.
Syvyn11
"record hunter" <record...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Live in America.
If I put anyone in concentration camps, it would be employees of MSNBC.
cloud dreamer
> From: gms...@email.com (trotsky)
> <<<SN: I was thrown through the front window of a bus in 1990.
> Miraculously, I broke only my glasses and a couple of fingers when I
> landed. There was a financial settlement.>>>
> Well, that sounds like it could've been a helluva lot worse.
> -----------------------------------
> SN: Yeah, my face and hair were covered with slivers of glass that had
> to be removed with duct tape. There were a few facial cuts in the
> process. I was on my way into NYC to perform in an off-Broadway musical.
> Fortunately, I had an understudy who had played the role in a previous
> production. I was able to return to the show (with a sling) after
> several days. I used some of the settlement money to buy a piano-- which
> I gave to a kid in our building when we decided to move.
>
Wow. You were lucky. Reminds me of the story my brother told me about
everyone undoing their seat belts and getting up to get their bags on an
airplane before it stopped at the terminal. The pilot had to hit the
brakes when a vehicle cut him off and threw everyone forward. Lots of
cuts, bruises and broken bones.
:\
Steve Newport
and hair were covered with slivers of glass that had to be removed with
duct tape. There were a few facial cuts in the process.>>>
Any scars from that debacle?
---------------------------------------
SN: No, nothing major. But I had been a big public transportation user
before that. After-- not so much.
Ubiquitous
> PolitiFact Picks 2009's 'Lie Of The Year': Death Panels!
"How can we learn to say no?" asks David Leonhardt, "Economic Scene" columnist
for the New York Times. Put your tongue on your palate, aspirate and round
your lips? Nah, that's not what he means. His column is on health-care policy:
The federal government is now starting to build the institutions
that will try to reduce the soaring growth of health care costs.
There will be a group to compare the effectiveness of different
treatments, a so-called Medicare innovation center and a Medicare
oversight board that can set payment rates.
But all these groups will face the same basic problem. Deep down,
Americans tend to believe that more care is better care. We recoil
from efforts to restrict care.
These new institutions are necessary, Leonhardt explains, because the
"try-anything-and-everything instinct," which is "ingrained in our culture,"
is expensive: "From an economic perspective, health reform will fail if we
can't sometimes push back against the try-anything instinct."
Leonhardt argues that sometimes costs can be cut without reducing the quality
of care:
When patients are given information about potential benefits
and risks, they seem to choose less invasive care, on average,
than doctors do, according to early studies. Some people, of
course, decide that aggressive care is right for them. . . .
They are willing to accept the risks and side effects that come
with treatment. Many people, however, go the other way once they
understand the trade-offs.
They decide the risk of incontinence and impotence isn't worth
the marginal chance of preventing prostate cancer. Or they choose
cardiac drugs and lifestyle changes over stenting. Or they opt
to skip the prenatal test to determine if their baby has Down
syndrome. Or, in the toughest situation of all, they decide to
leave an intensive care unit and enter a hospice.
Still, patients' voluntarily forgoing treatments whose costs outweigh the
benefits may not be enough. Having taken on, over the objections of the
public, the responsibility for everyone's medical care, the federal government
may not be able to keep its promise: "Eventually, we may well have to decide
against paying for expensive treatments with only modest benefits."
Oops, sorry about that, Gramps!
It seems as though this is a pretty strong argument against ObamaCare. But we
need to encapsulate it in a pithy phrase. What would you call governmental
institutions that empower bureaucrats to decide when to deny medical
treatment-- _panels_, as it were, that have the authority to determine when a
patient's _death_ is necessary for the health of the fisc?
Coming up with a suitable term is a high-powered intellectual challenge. Our
thinking cap is on, and we'll get back to you as soon as something dawns on
us.
--
It's now time for healing, and for fixing the damage the Democrats did
to America.
Stephen Newport
Less military spending and more entitlements. "Ask what your country can
do for you" loudly and repeatedly.
clouddreamer
> On 4/10/10 12:16 AM, Stephen Newport wrote:
>> More old shit dug up by Ubi.
>
>
He already had a death panel...lifetime limit on his insurance.
;]