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Bill Maher Calls Sarah Palin The ‘C-Word’ During His Stand-Up Act
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Ubiquitous
Mar 7, 2012, 5:18:19 PM3/7/12
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[Someone said he claimed he couldn't remember Mahr doing this. Merry Xmas!]
by Tommy Christopher
3:36 pm, March 29th, 2011
Real Time host Bill Maher wasn’t talking about energy efficient light bulbs
when he used the term “2 watt” in reference to Sarah Palin on his show, and
he wasn’t expressing a wish to see her next Tuesday during a weekend
performance of his stand-up act. The late-night comic/political pundit often
uses shocking language to cultivate an “edgy” persona, but his gender-based
attacks on conservative women like Palin and Michele Bachmann threaten to
alienate the many pro-vagina viewers in his audience.
According to a review by The Dallas Voice, Maher’s use of the slur constitutes
“fearlessness”:
It’s that fearlessness — he acknowledged that some people would
probably be uncomfortable with some of his remarks about religion,
not to mention calling Sarah Palin a “cunt” (“there’s just no other
word for her”) — that makes Maher the most dangerous person in comedy.
Shock humor is a staple of the stand-up comedy world, so policing the language
of stand-up comics is an impossible task, and an undesirable one. Stand-up
comedy is art, and is due the same latitude as other art forms.
But, as Newsbusters‘ Noel Sheppard points out [1], Bill Maher isn’t your
typical comic:
Maher is indeed doing political commentary. When he gets interviewed
by CNN, MSNBC, or any of the broadcast network news programs, it’s
not to do one-liners.
It is instead for him to offer his political views about current
events in a venue made for such a thing.
Yet, when he makes a comment that crosses the line, he’ll conveniently
hide behind the comedian veil and folks on the Left will wittingly
give him a pass.
I disagree with that last part, of course, since Democratic strategist Kirsten
Powers immediately comes to mind as someone who has denounced Maher’s attacks.
Misogyny isn’t just a left/right issue, as the recent #MooreAndMe flap
attests.
However, I will concede that there are some who have differing standards on
language [2], depending on the speaker and the target, but that’s also not a
left/right issue. Sarah Palin is a great example of this from the right.
But on the subject of Bill Maher, Sheppard is absolutely right, Maher is
too far out into the political punditsphere to be able to jump back behind
the stand-up comic wall when it suits him, and verbal violence like this has
no place in politics.
Besides, I’ve seen this kind of thing from Maher for a long time, and his
use of shocking language and jokes, more often than not, is used as a
replacement for actual material, rather than as an enhancement.
Maher isn’t likely to stop any time soon, unless some of his guests begin to
confront and call him out for it, like Dana Loesch did over his use [3] of the
term “Teabagger,” or until he stops getting a reaction.
[1]: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/03/29/bill-maher-calls-sarah-palin-vagina-again-time-beginning-c
[2]:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/03/23/now-defends-palin-being-called-dumb-vagina-without-mentioning-maher-t
[3]: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tea-party-person-dana-loesch-throws-teabagger-back-in-bill-mahers-face/
--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."
by Tommy Christopher
3:36 pm, March 29th, 2011
Real Time host Bill Maher wasn’t talking about energy efficient light bulbs
when he used the term “2 watt” in reference to Sarah Palin on his show, and
he wasn’t expressing a wish to see her next Tuesday during a weekend
performance of his stand-up act. The late-night comic/political pundit often
uses shocking language to cultivate an “edgy” persona, but his gender-based
attacks on conservative women like Palin and Michele Bachmann threaten to
alienate the many pro-vagina viewers in his audience.
According to a review by The Dallas Voice, Maher’s use of the slur constitutes
“fearlessness”:
It’s that fearlessness — he acknowledged that some people would
probably be uncomfortable with some of his remarks about religion,
not to mention calling Sarah Palin a “cunt” (“there’s just no other
word for her”) — that makes Maher the most dangerous person in comedy.
Shock humor is a staple of the stand-up comedy world, so policing the language
of stand-up comics is an impossible task, and an undesirable one. Stand-up
comedy is art, and is due the same latitude as other art forms.
But, as Newsbusters‘ Noel Sheppard points out [1], Bill Maher isn’t your
typical comic:
Maher is indeed doing political commentary. When he gets interviewed
by CNN, MSNBC, or any of the broadcast network news programs, it’s
not to do one-liners.
It is instead for him to offer his political views about current
events in a venue made for such a thing.
Yet, when he makes a comment that crosses the line, he’ll conveniently
hide behind the comedian veil and folks on the Left will wittingly
give him a pass.
I disagree with that last part, of course, since Democratic strategist Kirsten
Powers immediately comes to mind as someone who has denounced Maher’s attacks.
Misogyny isn’t just a left/right issue, as the recent #MooreAndMe flap
attests.
However, I will concede that there are some who have differing standards on
language [2], depending on the speaker and the target, but that’s also not a
left/right issue. Sarah Palin is a great example of this from the right.
But on the subject of Bill Maher, Sheppard is absolutely right, Maher is
too far out into the political punditsphere to be able to jump back behind
the stand-up comic wall when it suits him, and verbal violence like this has
no place in politics.
Besides, I’ve seen this kind of thing from Maher for a long time, and his
use of shocking language and jokes, more often than not, is used as a
replacement for actual material, rather than as an enhancement.
Maher isn’t likely to stop any time soon, unless some of his guests begin to
confront and call him out for it, like Dana Loesch did over his use [3] of the
term “Teabagger,” or until he stops getting a reaction.
[1]: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/03/29/bill-maher-calls-sarah-palin-vagina-again-time-beginning-c
[2]:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/03/23/now-defends-palin-being-called-dumb-vagina-without-mentioning-maher-t
[3]: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tea-party-person-dana-loesch-throws-teabagger-back-in-bill-mahers-face/
--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."
Ralph Benner
Mar 7, 2012, 5:38:48 PM3/7/12
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Consistently Unabashed Nincompoop Twat. Covers both Sarah and Ubi.
Volfie999
Mar 7, 2012, 7:32:58 PM3/7/12
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On Mar 7, 5:38 pm, Ralph Benner <ralphben...@nowreviewing.com> wrote:
> Consistently Unabashed Nincompoop Twat. Covers both Sarah and Ubi.
Spot on, spot on....:)
> Consistently Unabashed Nincompoop Twat. Covers both Sarah and Ubi.
Remysun
Mar 7, 2012, 10:36:20 PM3/7/12
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Would have been much better to keep him on ABC. That would have
blunted the things he could say even away from his show.
blunted the things he could say even away from his show.
Stephen Ross Newport
Mar 7, 2012, 11:50:35 PM3/7/12
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From: remys...@yahoo.com (Remysun) Would have been much better to
keep Maher on ABC. That would have blunted the things he could say even
away from his show.
----------------------------------------
SRN: Who wants that??? Cunt doesn't do justice to Palin.
**********************************
"Any sane American will vote against the Republican Party in the
November election."
keep Maher on ABC. That would have blunted the things he could say even
away from his show.
----------------------------------------
SRN: Who wants that??? Cunt doesn't do justice to Palin.
**********************************
"Any sane American will vote against the Republican Party in the
November election."
trotsky
Mar 8, 2012, 7:31:44 AM3/8/12
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On 3/7/12 10:50 PM, Stephen Ross Newport wrote:
> From: remys...@yahoo.com (Remysun) Would have been much better to
> keep Maher on ABC. That would have blunted the things he could say even
> away from his show.
> ----------------------------------------
> SRN: Who wants that??? Cunt doesn't do justice to Palin.
To quote George Orwell, "words are such feeble things". I can't find
> From: remys...@yahoo.com (Remysun) Would have been much better to
> keep Maher on ABC. That would have blunted the things he could say even
> away from his show.
> ----------------------------------------
> SRN: Who wants that??? Cunt doesn't do justice to Palin.
enough descriptive language in the English language to describe how
contemptible she is.
z
Mar 8, 2012, 1:37:17 PM3/8/12
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web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote in
news:jj8mra$a2d$1...@dont-email.me:
> [Someone said he claimed he couldn't remember Mahr doing this. Merry
> Xmas!]
>
> by Tommy Christopher
> 3:36 pm, March 29th, 2011
>
> Real Time host Bill Maher wasn’t talking about energy efficient light
> bulbs when he used the term “2 watt” in reference to Sarah Palin on
> his show, and he wasn’t expressing a wish to see her next Tuesday
> during a weekend performance of his stand-up act. The late-night
> comic/political pundit often uses shocking language to cultivate an
> “edgy” persona, but his gender-based attacks on conservative women
> like Palin and Michele Bachmann threaten to alienate the many
> pro-vagina viewers in his audience.
>
> According to a review by The Dallas Voice, Maher’s use of the slur
> constitutes “fearlessness”:
>
> It’s that fearlessness — he acknowledged that some people would
> probably be uncomfortable with some of his remarks about
> religion, not to mention calling Sarah Palin a “cunt” (“there’s
> just no other word for her”) — that makes Maher the most
> dangerous person in comedy.
Maher is fearless because he's already been fired from network TV in
response to something he said. You can't pressure his advertisers ..
being on HBO he has none. He's on premium cable where it's OK to show
tits, so in no way is he using public air waves (like rush) and he's not
beholden to a chocolate company or pampers in order to keep his show on
the air. As long as HBO is happy and people keep watching he can say
whatever the fuck he wants.
So Maher can just say 'fuck you'
-- and he does. Regularly
news:jj8mra$a2d$1...@dont-email.me:
> [Someone said he claimed he couldn't remember Mahr doing this. Merry
> Xmas!]
>
> by Tommy Christopher
> 3:36 pm, March 29th, 2011
>
> Real Time host Bill Maher wasn’t talking about energy efficient light
> bulbs when he used the term “2 watt” in reference to Sarah Palin on
> his show, and he wasn’t expressing a wish to see her next Tuesday
> during a weekend performance of his stand-up act. The late-night
> comic/political pundit often uses shocking language to cultivate an
> “edgy” persona, but his gender-based attacks on conservative women
> like Palin and Michele Bachmann threaten to alienate the many
> pro-vagina viewers in his audience.
>
> According to a review by The Dallas Voice, Maher’s use of the slur
> constitutes “fearlessness”:
>
> It’s that fearlessness — he acknowledged that some people would
> probably be uncomfortable with some of his remarks about
> religion, not to mention calling Sarah Palin a “cunt” (“there’s
> just no other word for her”) — that makes Maher the most
> dangerous person in comedy.
response to something he said. You can't pressure his advertisers ..
being on HBO he has none. He's on premium cable where it's OK to show
tits, so in no way is he using public air waves (like rush) and he's not
beholden to a chocolate company or pampers in order to keep his show on
the air. As long as HBO is happy and people keep watching he can say
whatever the fuck he wants.
So Maher can just say 'fuck you'
-- and he does. Regularly
Barb May
Mar 8, 2012, 2:44:00 PM3/8/12
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Stephen Ross Newport wrote:
> From: remys...@yahoo.com (Remysun) Would have been much better to
> keep Maher on ABC. That would have blunted the things he could say
> even away from his show.
> ----------------------------------------
> SRN: Who wants that??? Cunt doesn't do justice to Palin.
>
> **********************************
Steven, that word is very offensive to me and to a lot of other women.
> From: remys...@yahoo.com (Remysun) Would have been much better to
> keep Maher on ABC. That would have blunted the things he could say
> even away from his show.
> ----------------------------------------
> SRN: Who wants that??? Cunt doesn't do justice to Palin.
>
> **********************************
Anyone using it puts themselves out on the fringe where those people who
don't know how to converse in mixed company reside, along with those who
like to say things simply for shock value.
--
Barb
Stephen Ross Newport
Mar 8, 2012, 3:49:27 PM3/8/12
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From: bar...@nonofyourbusinessx.tv (Barb May) Anyone using it puts
SRN: I passionately disagree....
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those who like to say things for shock value.
-------------------------------------------
SRN: If arbitrary words weren't made unspeakable, they'd lose their
ability to shock. This is a huge deal with me-- so we're going to have
to disagree on this one.
themselves out on the fringe
----------------------------------------
SRN: I passionately disagree....
------------------------------------------
those who like to say things for shock value.
-------------------------------------------
SRN: If arbitrary words weren't made unspeakable, they'd lose their
ability to shock. This is a huge deal with me-- so we're going to have
to disagree on this one.
Dano
Mar 8, 2012, 3:50:16 PM3/8/12
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"Barb May" wrote in message news:4f59...@news.x-privat.org...
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Yeah...I know...and agree...though I have to admit letting fly with
it...often aimed at other men for exaggerated effect. Most other curses no
longer have the effect as often as they are heard. But I try not to go
there...and will try even harder. My wife is particularly offended if she
hears it uttered by anyone...let alone from my lips. But really...when all
is said and done...it IS just another word. Certainly not as
offensive...depending on the context and who is using it...than "nigger".
But since I know how some ARE offended I'll try to steer wide of going
there.
I wonder if Stevie uses that at the theater when out with the wifey.
Yeah...I know...and agree...though I have to admit letting fly with
it...often aimed at other men for exaggerated effect. Most other curses no
longer have the effect as often as they are heard. But I try not to go
there...and will try even harder. My wife is particularly offended if she
hears it uttered by anyone...let alone from my lips. But really...when all
is said and done...it IS just another word. Certainly not as
offensive...depending on the context and who is using it...than "nigger".
But since I know how some ARE offended I'll try to steer wide of going
there.
I wonder if Stevie uses that at the theater when out with the wifey.
Hass
Mar 8, 2012, 3:59:24 PM3/8/12
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>
> [2]:http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/03/23/now-defends-pal...
>
> [3]:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tea-party-person-dana-loesch-throws-teabag...
>
> --
> "If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
> 21st century."
Who cares? That was long ago...people are talking about Rush now.
> --
> "If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
> 21st century."
KalElFan
Mar 8, 2012, 4:43:58 PM3/8/12
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"z" wrote in message news:XnsA0106C09F...@216.196.97.131...
> Maher is fearless because he's already been fired from network TV in
> response to something he said. You can't pressure his advertisers ..
> being on HBO he has none.
That's laughable. HBO has subscribers and carriers and is owned by Time
Warner, a huge conglomerate. There's so much target-rich boycott fodder
that Maher could be turfed out the HBO door in 24 hours if Republicans,
Conservatives, Christians and the like really wanted to go after him.
He'd get to spew his bullshit on soap boxes in sewers or the Internet,
whichever the little prick prefers but that's about it.
He's been able to keep his megaphone, such as it is, by the grace of his
targets, who are Much Better Than him. This one could become a
"Teachable Moment" though. His targets believe in redemption, but
repeated bad behavior like this merits a comprehensive boycott. He
hurled slut or cunt at Palin on HBO, but it was kind of a backdoor via
one of his guests IIRC. He shut the fuck up for a while after that, but
now this. He should never work again in major media, and redeem
himself in the sewers.
> Maher is fearless because he's already been fired from network TV in
> response to something he said. You can't pressure his advertisers ..
> being on HBO he has none.
Warner, a huge conglomerate. There's so much target-rich boycott fodder
that Maher could be turfed out the HBO door in 24 hours if Republicans,
Conservatives, Christians and the like really wanted to go after him.
He'd get to spew his bullshit on soap boxes in sewers or the Internet,
whichever the little prick prefers but that's about it.
He's been able to keep his megaphone, such as it is, by the grace of his
targets, who are Much Better Than him. This one could become a
"Teachable Moment" though. His targets believe in redemption, but
repeated bad behavior like this merits a comprehensive boycott. He
hurled slut or cunt at Palin on HBO, but it was kind of a backdoor via
one of his guests IIRC. He shut the fuck up for a while after that, but
now this. He should never work again in major media, and redeem
himself in the sewers.
Ubiquitous
Mar 8, 2012, 5:54:46 PM3/8/12
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* * *damned for all eternity
>web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>> [Someone said he claimed he couldn't remember Mahr doing this. Merry
>> Xmas!]
>>
>> by Tommy Christopher
>> 3:36 pm, March 29th, 2011
>>
>> Real Time host Bill Maher wasn’t talking about energy efficient light
>> bulbs when he used the term “2 watt” in reference to Sarah Palin on
>> his show, and he wasn’t expressing a wish to see her next Tuesday
>> during a weekend performance of his stand-up act. The late-night
>> comic/political pundit often uses shocking language to cultivate an
>> “edgy” persona, but his gender-based attacks on conservative women
>> like Palin and Michele Bachmann threaten to alienate the many
>> pro-vagina viewers in his audience.
>>
>> According to a review by The Dallas Voice, Maher’s use of the slur
>> constitutes “fearlessness”:
>>
>> It’s that fearlessness — he acknowledged that some people would
>> probably be uncomfortable with some of his remarks about
>> religion, not to mention calling Sarah Palin a “cunt” (“there’s
>> just no other word for her”) — that makes Maher the most
>> dangerous person in comedy.
>
>Maher is fearless
TROLL-O-METER
>> [Someone said he claimed he couldn't remember Mahr doing this. Merry
>> Xmas!]
>>
>> by Tommy Christopher
>> 3:36 pm, March 29th, 2011
>>
>> Real Time host Bill Maher wasn’t talking about energy efficient light
>> bulbs when he used the term “2 watt” in reference to Sarah Palin on
>> his show, and he wasn’t expressing a wish to see her next Tuesday
>> during a weekend performance of his stand-up act. The late-night
>> comic/political pundit often uses shocking language to cultivate an
>> “edgy” persona, but his gender-based attacks on conservative women
>> like Palin and Michele Bachmann threaten to alienate the many
>> pro-vagina viewers in his audience.
>>
>> According to a review by The Dallas Voice, Maher’s use of the slur
>> constitutes “fearlessness”:
>>
>> It’s that fearlessness — he acknowledged that some people would
>> probably be uncomfortable with some of his remarks about
>> religion, not to mention calling Sarah Palin a “cunt” (“there’s
>> just no other word for her”) — that makes Maher the most
>> dangerous person in comedy.
>
>Maher is fearless
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2* *10
1* | *stuporous
0* -*- *catatonic
* |\ *comatose
* \ *clinical death
* \ *biological death
* _\/ *demonic apparition
* * *damned for all eternity
Sid9
Mar 8, 2012, 6:03:04 PM3/8/12
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"KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
news:9rsnis...@mid.individual.net...
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Bill Maher's show is on a pay channel.
If for one moment HBO thought they would lose money (subscribers) presenting
Maher, he would vanish instantly.
Limbo cannot be compared with Maher.
Coward Limbo NEVER allows opposing voices on his show.
Maher invites the opposition regularly....including the late Andrew
Breitbart
Dano
Mar 8, 2012, 6:23:13 PM3/8/12
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"Sid9" wrote in message news:jjbdrb$rv7$1...@dont-email.me...
=========================================
The list is actually quite long...especially when compared to Rush and many
others on the right. It includes the likes of the reprehensible Ann Coulter
and the very funny PJ O'Rourke. It's unusual for him to NOT have a
conservative on panel. They are generally treated fairly well too. Or they
wouldn't go on the show. Rush can't even be remotely civil to callers who
differ with him...which is why I only hear or see his clips from other
outlets when he says something particularly loathsome.
The list is actually quite long...especially when compared to Rush and many
others on the right. It includes the likes of the reprehensible Ann Coulter
and the very funny PJ O'Rourke. It's unusual for him to NOT have a
conservative on panel. They are generally treated fairly well too. Or they
wouldn't go on the show. Rush can't even be remotely civil to callers who
differ with him...which is why I only hear or see his clips from other
outlets when he says something particularly loathsome.
KalElFan
Mar 8, 2012, 11:12:39 PM3/8/12
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"Sid9" wrote in message news:jjbdrb$rv7$1...@dont-email.me...
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9rsnis...@mid.individual.net...
>
>> "z" wrote in message news:XnsA0106C09F...@216.196.97.131...
>>
>>> Maher is fearless because he's already been fired from network TV in
>>> response to something he said. You can't pressure his advertisers ..
>>> being on HBO he has none.
>>
>> That's laughable. HBO has subscribers and carriers and is owned by Time
>> Warner, a huge conglomerate. There's so much target-rich boycott fodder
>> that Maher could be turfed out the HBO door in 24 hours if Republicans,
>> Conservatives, Christians and the like really wanted to go after him.
>> He'd get to spew his bullshit on soap boxes in sewers or the Internet,
>> whichever the little prick prefers but that's about it.
>>
>> He's been able to keep his megaphone, such as it is, by the grace of his
>> targets, who are Much Better Than him. This one could become a
>> "Teachable Moment" though. His targets believe in redemption, but
>> repeated bad behavior like this merits a comprehensive boycott. He
>> hurled slut or cunt at Palin on HBO, but it was kind of a backdoor via
>> one of his guests IIRC. He shut the fuck up for a while after that, but
>> now this. He should never work again in major media, and redeem
>> himself in the sewers.
>
> news:9rsnis...@mid.individual.net...
>
>> "z" wrote in message news:XnsA0106C09F...@216.196.97.131...
>>
>>> Maher is fearless because he's already been fired from network TV in
>>> response to something he said. You can't pressure his advertisers ..
>>> being on HBO he has none.
>>
>> That's laughable. HBO has subscribers and carriers and is owned by Time
>> Warner, a huge conglomerate. There's so much target-rich boycott fodder
>> that Maher could be turfed out the HBO door in 24 hours if Republicans,
>> Conservatives, Christians and the like really wanted to go after him.
>> He'd get to spew his bullshit on soap boxes in sewers or the Internet,
>> whichever the little prick prefers but that's about it.
>>
>> He's been able to keep his megaphone, such as it is, by the grace of his
>> targets, who are Much Better Than him. This one could become a
>> "Teachable Moment" though. His targets believe in redemption, but
>> repeated bad behavior like this merits a comprehensive boycott. He
>> hurled slut or cunt at Palin on HBO, but it was kind of a backdoor via
>> one of his guests IIRC. He shut the fuck up for a while after that, but
>> now this. He should never work again in major media, and redeem
>> himself in the sewers.
>
> Bill Maher's show is on a pay channel.
A big one and I didn't say major network. I think major media is a fair
description of HBO in this context.
> If for one moment HBO thought they would lose money (subscribers)
> presenting Maher, he would vanish instantly.
which is massive and therefore boycott rich territory. I didn't even find
out about the HBO guest-related "cunt" incident until months later, and
I didn't know about this stand-up act one (from almost a year ago now
I gather, looking at the OP) until now. I doubt that even 1% of the U.S.
population knows, so that's another obstacle to any consequence. But
it's not an insurmountable obstacle if people were motivated to get
the word out, organize, etc. Speaking of...
> Limbo cannot be compared with Maher.
the different targets respond are coming to the fore again. It's a bit
reminiscent of what happened with Imus. Rush has apologized, but
Imus also apologized several times. The loons pressed on. Letterman
apologized, Palin accepted and that was it.
Rush's position is much stronger and I doubt the loons could ever win
here, but if they ever did the backlash could be enormous.
> Coward Limbo NEVER allows opposing voices on his show.
was stupid to overreach with the slut and prostitute words though,
because absent that there were winning issues with this story.
Sid9
Mar 8, 2012, 11:40:52 PM3/8/12
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news:9rte9u...@mid.individual.net...
Limbo's a coward who debates no one.
No one gets on his show unless they agree with him.
Limbo is incapable of debating anyone.
No one gets on his show unless they agree with him.
Limbo is incapable of debating anyone.
z
Mar 9, 2012, 2:04:42 AM3/9/12
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"KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in news:9rsnisFtq5U1
@mid.individual.net:
> "z" wrote in message news:XnsA0106C09F...@216.196.97.131...
>
>> Maher is fearless because he's already been fired from network TV in
>> response to something he said. You can't pressure his advertisers ..
>> being on HBO he has none.
>
> That's laughable. HBO has subscribers and carriers and is owned by
Time
> Warner, a huge conglomerate. There's so much target-rich boycott
fodder
> that Maher could be turfed out the HBO door in 24 hours if Republicans,
> Conservatives, Christians and the like really wanted to go after him.
> He'd get to spew his bullshit on soap boxes in sewers or the Internet,
> whichever the little prick prefers but that's about it.
It's much more complicated to hit Maher via his advertisers. Who do you
bitch at when he calls Palin a cunt or whatever?
>
> He's been able to keep his megaphone, such as it is, by the grace of
his
> targets, who are Much Better Than him. This one could become a
> "Teachable Moment" though. His targets believe in redemption, but
> repeated bad behavior like this merits a comprehensive boycott. He
> hurled slut or cunt at Palin on HBO, but it was kind of a backdoor via
> one of his guests IIRC. He shut the fuck up for a while after that,
but
> now this. He should never work again in major media, and redeem
> himself in the sewers.
He also said to lay off limbaugh ... The problem you have if he says
something stupid is that you can't identifiy a target beyond HBO to bitch
at.
Yeah you can figure out the parent corps and try to get some traction
there but good luck on that one. And back to the point, Maher isn't on
the public air waves.. unlike Limbaugh who I hear at 9:00 every morning
on my local radio..
which BTW: is right during the day when kids might be listening.. Maher
is on HBO at NIGHT .. while Linbaugh is on public owned air waves during
the day talking about sluts and demanding to see sex videos of some chick
who was asked to talk at some meeting in the govt.
So today I woke up and started listening to the great local show that
goes from 8 to 9 am (people call in with local stuff they are selling.. )
and after that limbaugh starts. I usually let him bleed over till he
says something that's really stupid and then I turn him off.
This morning I started listening and hmm.. he did his opening bit and
then went to break.. silence.. and some PSA's .. two dr. Dean Adell bits
and another at least 1-2 min of blank air.. then he came on. Then the
next break the same thing. 1 or 2 short local spots .. blank air and
then PSA's ..
The first hour had ZERO real paying nation wide adverts.. it was fucking
strange.
So why all that dead air? Is it going cheap? I could put some money on
that space even if Rush is a woman hating duche.
@mid.individual.net:
> "z" wrote in message news:XnsA0106C09F...@216.196.97.131...
>
>> Maher is fearless because he's already been fired from network TV in
>> response to something he said. You can't pressure his advertisers ..
>> being on HBO he has none.
>
> That's laughable. HBO has subscribers and carriers and is owned by
Time
> Warner, a huge conglomerate. There's so much target-rich boycott
fodder
> that Maher could be turfed out the HBO door in 24 hours if Republicans,
> Conservatives, Christians and the like really wanted to go after him.
> He'd get to spew his bullshit on soap boxes in sewers or the Internet,
> whichever the little prick prefers but that's about it.
bitch at when he calls Palin a cunt or whatever?
>
> He's been able to keep his megaphone, such as it is, by the grace of
his
> targets, who are Much Better Than him. This one could become a
> "Teachable Moment" though. His targets believe in redemption, but
> repeated bad behavior like this merits a comprehensive boycott. He
> hurled slut or cunt at Palin on HBO, but it was kind of a backdoor via
> one of his guests IIRC. He shut the fuck up for a while after that,
but
> now this. He should never work again in major media, and redeem
> himself in the sewers.
something stupid is that you can't identifiy a target beyond HBO to bitch
at.
Yeah you can figure out the parent corps and try to get some traction
there but good luck on that one. And back to the point, Maher isn't on
the public air waves.. unlike Limbaugh who I hear at 9:00 every morning
on my local radio..
which BTW: is right during the day when kids might be listening.. Maher
is on HBO at NIGHT .. while Linbaugh is on public owned air waves during
the day talking about sluts and demanding to see sex videos of some chick
who was asked to talk at some meeting in the govt.
So today I woke up and started listening to the great local show that
goes from 8 to 9 am (people call in with local stuff they are selling.. )
and after that limbaugh starts. I usually let him bleed over till he
says something that's really stupid and then I turn him off.
This morning I started listening and hmm.. he did his opening bit and
then went to break.. silence.. and some PSA's .. two dr. Dean Adell bits
and another at least 1-2 min of blank air.. then he came on. Then the
next break the same thing. 1 or 2 short local spots .. blank air and
then PSA's ..
The first hour had ZERO real paying nation wide adverts.. it was fucking
strange.
So why all that dead air? Is it going cheap? I could put some money on
that space even if Rush is a woman hating duche.
NoBody
Mar 9, 2012, 5:57:32 AM3/9/12
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worst epithets against them? Sounds like lib "logic" to me....
trotsky
Mar 9, 2012, 7:17:28 AM3/9/12
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or leave it. What part of this is confusing?
Mason Barge
Mar 9, 2012, 11:09:52 AM3/9/12
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:03:04 -0500, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
[...]
line? They don't. They like to see their personal point of view
expressed. It's a power thing.
I guarantee there are people who don't subscribe to HBO because of Maher.
>
[...]
>.
>Bill Maher's show is on a pay channel.
>If for one moment HBO thought they would lose money (subscribers) presenting
>Maher, he would vanish instantly.
Do you really think t.v. executives base their programming on the bottom
>Bill Maher's show is on a pay channel.
>If for one moment HBO thought they would lose money (subscribers) presenting
>Maher, he would vanish instantly.
line? They don't. They like to see their personal point of view
expressed. It's a power thing.
I guarantee there are people who don't subscribe to HBO because of Maher.
Dano
Mar 9, 2012, 11:35:57 AM3/9/12
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"Mason Barge" wrote in message
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Yeah? So what? I don't listen to the local station that carries Rush.
Same principle is it not?
Nothing airs on television without a profit being made. I will just as
assuredly point out to you that there are many of us that (whether we "like"
Maher or not) subscribe BECAUSE HBO gives us choices without having to bow
to prudery and censorship. There are many of us who choose to think for
ourselves and don't believe religious fanatics should decide what we should
or should not watch...what we should believe and what God we should bow
before. If you don't like it...don't fucking watch! But if you're telling
me that HBO is "failing" to thrive financially...you're out of your
ever-lovin', bible thumping mind.
news:unakl7lla8m4vpum8...@4ax.com...
Yeah? So what? I don't listen to the local station that carries Rush.
Same principle is it not?
Nothing airs on television without a profit being made. I will just as
assuredly point out to you that there are many of us that (whether we "like"
Maher or not) subscribe BECAUSE HBO gives us choices without having to bow
to prudery and censorship. There are many of us who choose to think for
ourselves and don't believe religious fanatics should decide what we should
or should not watch...what we should believe and what God we should bow
before. If you don't like it...don't fucking watch! But if you're telling
me that HBO is "failing" to thrive financially...you're out of your
ever-lovin', bible thumping mind.
Salty Stan
Mar 9, 2012, 11:38:33 AM3/9/12
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Including the calls he takes from liberal callers?
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Sid9
Mar 9, 2012, 11:47:31 AM3/9/12
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"Mason Barge" <mason...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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.
.
Any HBO executive who put his personal preference ahead of HBO's bottom line
would soon be collecting unemployment insurance
Sid9
Mar 9, 2012, 11:51:59 AM3/9/12
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"Salty Stan" <wsjam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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of expressing herself.
Which, of course, proves the coward he is.
If his screener slips up and the coward is really confronted he says he
going to a commercial and will continue after the commercial.
That caller is gone forever.
....because...Limbo is a bully and a coward...not an unusual combination.
Mason Barge
Mar 9, 2012, 12:08:47 PM3/9/12
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wrote:
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times I've heard it is that opposing voices are shouted down by the host,
who won't really let them respond.
wrote:
[...]
>> Coward Limbo NEVER allows opposing voices on his show.
>
>Including the calls he takes from liberal callers?
I don't watch/listen to this trash, but my strong impression from the few
>
>Including the calls he takes from liberal callers?
times I've heard it is that opposing voices are shouted down by the host,
who won't really let them respond.
Mason Barge
Mar 9, 2012, 12:30:23 PM3/9/12
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ground. Look at Jeff Zucker and Ben Silverman at NBC, and that was when
it was owned by GE!
Even in "bottom line" industries, the tendency of executives to pump up
the bottom line for a couple of quarters, at the cost of long-term profit
and health, for the sole reason of collecting gigantic bonuses and leaving
the shareholders with nothing, became endemic a few years ago.
Dano
Mar 9, 2012, 12:32:02 PM3/9/12
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Thank you. That was exactly what I found on every occasion I listened for
more than ten minutes. He's a complete bully in every sense. And he of
course controls the mute and hang up buttons. He never has a sincere
exchange with anyone. Guest or caller. Classic case of only preaching to
his choir. Pardon the expression Monsignor. :-)
Barb May
Mar 9, 2012, 12:42:11 PM3/9/12
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KalElFan wrote:
> He was stupid to overreach with the slut and prostitute words
> though, because absent that there were winning issues with this story.
Aside from the despicable personal attacks, Limbaugh lied about what he
> He was stupid to overreach with the slut and prostitute words
> though, because absent that there were winning issues with this story.
claimed Fluke said about herself personally and about what she was
asking for.
--
Barb
Barb May
Mar 9, 2012, 12:45:18 PM3/9/12
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Dano wrote:
> "Barb May" wrote in message news:4f59...@news.x-privat.org...
>
> Stephen Ross Newport wrote:
>> From: remys...@yahoo.com (Remysun) Would have been much better to
>> keep Maher on ABC. That would have blunted the things he could say
>> even away from his show.
>> ----------------------------------------
>> SRN: Who wants that??? Cunt doesn't do justice to Palin.
>>
>> **********************************
>
> Steven, that word is very offensive to me and to a lot of other women.
> Anyone using it puts themselves out on the fringe where those people
> who don't know how to converse in mixed company reside, along with
> those who like to say things simply for shock value.
>
> ===========================================
>
> Yeah...I know...and agree...though I have to admit letting fly with
> it...often aimed at other men for exaggerated effect. Most other
> curses no longer have the effect as often as they are heard. But I
> try not to go there...and will try even harder.
Thank you.
> "Barb May" wrote in message news:4f59...@news.x-privat.org...
>
> Stephen Ross Newport wrote:
>> From: remys...@yahoo.com (Remysun) Would have been much better to
>> keep Maher on ABC. That would have blunted the things he could say
>> even away from his show.
>> ----------------------------------------
>> SRN: Who wants that??? Cunt doesn't do justice to Palin.
>>
>> **********************************
>
> Steven, that word is very offensive to me and to a lot of other women.
> Anyone using it puts themselves out on the fringe where those people
> who don't know how to converse in mixed company reside, along with
> those who like to say things simply for shock value.
>
> ===========================================
>
> Yeah...I know...and agree...though I have to admit letting fly with
> it...often aimed at other men for exaggerated effect. Most other
> curses no longer have the effect as often as they are heard. But I
> try not to go there...and will try even harder.
> My wife is
> particularly offended if she hears it uttered by anyone...let alone
> from my lips. But really...when all is said and done...it IS just
> another word. Certainly not as offensive...depending on the context
> and who is using it...than "nigger". But since I know how some ARE
> offended I'll try to steer wide of going there.
>
> I wonder if Stevie uses that at the theater when out with the wifey.
--
Barb
First. Post
Mar 9, 2012, 1:11:57 PM3/9/12
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Showtime offer more movies while HBO has turned into more of a regular network
style format only without all the commercials.
I actually used to like Maher when he was doing "Politically Incorrect" on A&E.
He was more of a centrist that picked on all politicians at the time.
Since he went to HBO he's gone pretty much all out hardcore far left.
Hell I live in Memphis. If I want to hear vitriol and ad hominems all I need do
is walk across the street and talk to any one of my neighbors. (This city is
roughly 80% democrat).
First. Post
Mar 9, 2012, 1:17:18 PM3/9/12
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who never allowed anyone that wasn't a left wing loon on any of their programs.
But then the idiot obviously doesn't know the difference between talk radio and
a TV show.
You can go to XM 127 "Left" and listen all day and all night. Never hear any
opposing viewpoints expressed on any of their programming either.
So Sid is basically pissed at Limbaugh for doing the same thing liberal talk
radio does 24/7. There's that lying hypocrite thing again.
First. Post
Mar 9, 2012, 1:22:39 PM3/9/12
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Most of the liberal callers shows like Limbaugh gets will call in trying to
parrot their favorite liberal talking point and will refuse to engage in
discussion as they are more interested in just spouting their views.
Just this morning a caller was asked by another conservative talk show host if
they believed in "supply and demand" in regards to the high gas prices. The
liberal caller responded with everything but a simple answer. Most of his
retorts were ad hominems against the host for asking "such a stupid question"
and they never answered the question. They just kept ranting about Bush. So
they got hung up on.
I take it that is what you consider to be "shouting them down" yes?
Dano
Mar 9, 2012, 1:40:44 PM3/9/12
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"First. Post" wrote in message
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Funny how the lying hypocritical Sid never said the same thing about Air
America
who never allowed anyone that wasn't a left wing loon on any of their
programs.
But then the idiot obviously doesn't know the difference between talk radio
and
a TV show.
You can go to XM 127 "Left" and listen all day and all night. Never hear
any
opposing viewpoints expressed on any of their programming either.
So Sid is basically pissed at Limbaugh for doing the same thing liberal talk
radio does 24/7. There's that lying hypocrite thing again.
==========================================
Where exactly can I find this "Air America" of which you speak? I vaguely
remember something like that...though here in the greatest bastion of
liberalism, the Boston area. I was always hard pressed to find a major
enough radio station to hear them. They were somewhere around on some
weakassed station I guess...but we liberals...who tend to be more fair
minded and independent thinking don't take too well to the similar tactics
of the likes of Limbaugh and Savage. I like the politics of say...Al
Franken generally...but what I DID manage to hear from his radio show was
ridiculous and unlistenable to me as much as the fat, cigar chomping (how
phallic is THAT BTW?), drug addled blowhard.
I don't have XM or Sirius BTW. Don't care to. Now. Go compare the sheer
volume of right wing radio to the same type of left wing counterparts. And
you might even try being honest for once...at least with yourself. Because
you fucking loons ain't helping your own cause in your pursuit of your
dreams of extremist nirvana. Ain't happening chump. Keep insisting on all
or nothing and you'll get nothing.
news:11ikl7l9p2dm0tiod...@4ax.com...
Funny how the lying hypocritical Sid never said the same thing about Air
America
who never allowed anyone that wasn't a left wing loon on any of their
programs.
But then the idiot obviously doesn't know the difference between talk radio
and
a TV show.
You can go to XM 127 "Left" and listen all day and all night. Never hear
any
opposing viewpoints expressed on any of their programming either.
So Sid is basically pissed at Limbaugh for doing the same thing liberal talk
radio does 24/7. There's that lying hypocrite thing again.
Where exactly can I find this "Air America" of which you speak? I vaguely
remember something like that...though here in the greatest bastion of
liberalism, the Boston area. I was always hard pressed to find a major
enough radio station to hear them. They were somewhere around on some
weakassed station I guess...but we liberals...who tend to be more fair
minded and independent thinking don't take too well to the similar tactics
of the likes of Limbaugh and Savage. I like the politics of say...Al
Franken generally...but what I DID manage to hear from his radio show was
ridiculous and unlistenable to me as much as the fat, cigar chomping (how
phallic is THAT BTW?), drug addled blowhard.
I don't have XM or Sirius BTW. Don't care to. Now. Go compare the sheer
volume of right wing radio to the same type of left wing counterparts. And
you might even try being honest for once...at least with yourself. Because
you fucking loons ain't helping your own cause in your pursuit of your
dreams of extremist nirvana. Ain't happening chump. Keep insisting on all
or nothing and you'll get nothing.
Dano
Mar 9, 2012, 1:56:41 PM3/9/12
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I'm not taking your word that this went as you say. You gave precious
little in terms of particulars...like who the participants were. Where I'm
surprised is that a conservative would point out "supply and demand" since
they often won't allow that this is PRECISELY why "drill baby drill" won't
lower prices as they like to claim. It's a world market now...and many
nations have increased their own demand for oil and this is a large factor
in WHY prices are rising so high.
But yeah. To answer your question...hanging up on someone is equivalent to
shouting someone down. Clearly it's more effective no? I like the style of
Michael Smerconish myself. He's pretty conservative on some issues...but he
manages to discuss civilly and respectfully even while disagreeing with
guests and callers. Of course the loony right probably wouldn't have a lot
of use for him. Bill O even has some moderate views at times...sadly he
chooses to engage in bluster and bullying tactics on his programs. It's
called show biz. You people eat it up.
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disagree with him
Sid9
Mar 9, 2012, 4:36:07 PM3/9/12
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Yeah, look at them.
When they no longer made money for the corporation they were
dumped.....unless they own the corporation....like Rupert Murdoch
When they no longer made money for the corporation they were
dumped.....unless they own the corporation....like Rupert Murdoch
Slackjaw
Mar 9, 2012, 10:25:37 PM3/9/12
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Mar 9, 2012, 11:07:22 PM3/9/12
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Whenever I'm in the car when he's on...How else will I know what you'll say
tomorrow.
How else do I know his strategy to avoid confrontation with someone with a
brain.
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Slackjaw
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> How else do I know his strategy to avoid confrontation with someone
> with a brain
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Mar 10, 2012, 10:02:58 AM3/10/12
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He wont be on on Monday...He's playing golf. Mark Stein will be subbing.
I wont be listening
I wont be listening
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Mar 10, 2012, 11:28:38 AM3/10/12
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> On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:00:46 +0000 (UTC), "Slackjaw"
> <Okla...@spacealliance.com> wrote:
>
>>> .
>>> Whenever I'm in the car when he's on...How else will I know what
>>> you'll say tomorrow.
>>>
>>Really? So what did he say on yesterday's show?
>
> Sure--one day's drivel using fallacy logic, slander, libel, and
> <Okla...@spacealliance.com> wrote:
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>>> .
>>> Whenever I'm in the car when he's on...How else will I know what
>>> you'll say tomorrow.
>>>
>>Really? So what did he say on yesterday's show?
>
> bullshit required to "entertain" your kind is pretty much like any
> other.
>
I think he's tired of his show and would like a graceful way out.
He can't quit now because of the Fluke controversy. "Cut and Run" is not in
his lexicon.
He's been taking more and more days off in recent months.
My guess is that he will retire after this election.
If Obama wins he will have been proven ineffectual in getting his favorite,
who ever that might be, elected.
Slackjaw
Mar 10, 2012, 1:21:57 PM3/10/12
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Mar 10, 2012, 1:24:54 PM3/10/12
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> On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:00:46 +0000 (UTC), "Slackjaw"
> <Okla...@spacealliance.com> wrote:
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> On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:00:46 +0000 (UTC), "Slackjaw"
> <Okla...@spacealliance.com> wrote:
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> >> .
> >> Whenever I'm in the car when he's on...How else will I know what
> >> you'll say tomorrow.
> >>
> > Really? So what did he say on yesterday's show?
>
> >> Whenever I'm in the car when he's on...How else will I know what
> >> you'll say tomorrow.
> >>
> > Really? So what did he say on yesterday's show?
>
> Sure--one day's drivel using fallacy logic, slander, libel,
Slander and libel? Really? Then why don't you post some examples here:
__________________________________________
Or were you lying?
> and
> bullshit required to "entertain" your kind is pretty much like any
> other.
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Sid9
Mar 10, 2012, 1:48:33 PM3/10/12
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What evasion?
That's what Limbo said on Friday.
Tune in Monday and then challenge what I posted
That's what Limbo said on Friday.
Tune in Monday and then challenge what I posted
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