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Micky DuPree  
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From: MDuP...@theworld.com.snip.to.reply (Micky DuPree)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:45:43 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sun, Mar 12 2006 11:45 am
Subject: HOUSE, M.D.: 6. "The Socratic Method"
Potential spoilers for later episodes: I do some pretty obvious hinting
about future character developments, but I think that the episode itself
made some pretty clear implications in that regard.  I grumble about how
the second season isn't as good as the first because they've dropped
certain elements, which I guess constitutes spoilers if you're a purist,
but I tried not to get specific and give away particular episodes.

Elapsed time numbers are for the DVD copy.

Once again, I had no trouble believing the guest performances, either
from the actress who played crazy Lucy, nor from Aaron Himelstein, who
played Lucas, her son, and whom I've seen do a creditable job as
Friedman the obnoxious twit on _Joan of Arcadia_.  It was nice to see
him in a sympathetic role.

Though not a flawless episode, this was still intelligent, humorous,
touching, and one of my early favorites.  I found myself more drawn into
Lucy and Luke's story than I usually am with A-plot patients, presumably
because House himself was atypically drawn into their lives.

PROLOGUE

Sign:

  New Jersey
  Department of Employment Development

I would have thought that benefits for non-work-related medical
disability would come through social services or even Social Security,
not through an employment office.

The episode guide at TV.com identifies the name of the Department of
Employment Development case worker, played by Sonya Eddy (one of the
many faces of God on _Joan of Arcadia_), as "Sally," so I went with
that.

  SALLY:  The first diagnosis --
   LUKE:  Schizophrenia.  Doctor Walters, May eleven last year.
          The letter's in the medical file.
  SALLY:  And April sixth?  That was the last day she worked?  But
          she received unemployment benefits for that week.

Time line note.

  SALLY:  And you're the dependent?
   LUKE:  No.  That's my little brother.  I'm eighteen.  Just
          helping out.

I was a little surprised that the case worker didn't turn the family in
to social services since the mother was clearly unfit and she had a
dependent listed in her record.  Yeah, Luke lied and said he was the
older brother, but he wasn't likely to have been his fictitious younger
brother's legal guardian.  But I guess it was a case of "not my table."

They cheated the shot of Lucy's right eye in the prologue.  It was a
pretty tight closeup, but there was no sign of the copper ring around
the iris that they'd show at the end.  (Not that one person in ten
thousand would have clued in even if there had been discernible copper
rings around her irises at the beginning, so I can forgive them saving
money on the CGI.)

  FROG:  Hey!  I'm talking to you.  The cat's first.  Now it's your
         turn, Lucy.

The frog was uncredited.  It's been tough getting work since
_Wonderfalls_ was cancelled.

The first time I watched this episode, I thought that Luke's hurt wrist
was a gratuitous instant injury, a pretext for House to "x-ray" Luke and
get him to confess his real age.  This time through, though, I noticed
that Luke did seem to come down hard on his left wrist when Lucy fell
over in the employment office.  They should have made it a little easier
to notice that on first viewing.

ACT I
3:02

I assume Luke was supposed to be waiting in the emergency room.  It was
really the second-floor waiting area redressed, with the atrium covered
over by wood panels.  He rubbed his left wrist when he was in the
waiting area, but given that he was also pacing impatiently, I probably
originally dismissed the gesture as a sign of frustrated worry, not of
injury.

  P.A.:  Doctor Gregory House, please call Doctor Cuddy at
         extension three-seven-three-one.

Heh.  At least hiding out from Cuddy gave House some kind of excuse for
being in the right place at the right time, but it continued his lucky
streak of catching zebras by sheer propinquity, from just happening to
hear about two babies in "Maternity," to being assigned a clinic zebra
at random in "Damned If You Do," to just happening to be in earshot of
the latest zebra case in this episode.  We never did find out why Cuddy
was paging him, but it's not like he doesn't routinely give her reasons.

Once again, unlike most people, House didn't have to consciously pay
attention to notice what was going on around him.  In fact, I don't
think he could turn this faculty off even if he wanted to.

On the newspaper that House was reading:

front:

  Girl Scout Saves Family from ???

back:

  Millions Watch Televised Execution

By process of elimination, the E.R. doctor who gave Luke the rundown on
his mom had to have been the character listed as "Clark" in the credits.
However, we were never told his name onscreen.  Despite the fact that we
learned the name of a hospital surgeon in this episode, it's easy to get
the impression that the Diagnostics Dept. works in complete isolation.

  CLARK:  Your mom's blood alcohol was point-one-two.  Ten thirty
          in the morning.
   LUKE:  I gave it to her.  Two ounces of vodka.  It cools her
          out.  But that's the first since Monday.  That was three
          days ago.

Time line note.  The action started on a Thursday.

   LUKE:  She hears voices.
  CLARK:  She's schizophrenic.  Explains the DVT.  The alcohol
          makes her pass out.  She's immobile for long periods of
          time --

That's frustrating, to hear doctors latch onto a pet theory that then
makes them impervious to alternative explanations.  Chase jumped on this
bandwagon as well.

  CLARK:  I'd be happy to refer you the case, Doctor House.  You
          seem so interested.

Lots of people would remark on House's interest in this case.  Also,
this indicated that other doctors at the hospital knew House by name, by
sight, and by reputation.

   HOUSE:  On the other hand, we don't really know anything about
           schizophrenia, so maybe it is connected.
  WILSON:  Well, schizophrenia explains one mystery: why you're so
           fascinated by a woman with a bump in her leg.  It's like
           Picasso deciding to whitewash a fence.
   HOUSE:  Thanks.  I'm more of a Leroy Neiman man.

Inspiring an entire style of _TV Guide_ covers in my adolescence.
Demotic of House.

   HOUSE:  And it is only about the DVT.  She's thirty-eight-years
           old.  She shouldn't --
  WILSON:  Right, solve this one and you're on your way to
           Stockholm.
   HOUSE:  We don't even know how to treat it.  Come on.
           Fumigation of the vagina?

Must have been particularly painful for male schizophrenics.

  WILSON:  A little louder.  I don't think everyone heard you.

LOL.  The nurse looked like she wanted to lock House up.

   HOUSE:  Two thousand years ago, that's how Galen treated
           schizophrenics.  The Marcus Welby of ancient Greece.
  WILSON:  Oh, clearly you're not interested.
   HOUSE:  Oh, I'm interested.  I'm interested in how voices in the
           head could be caused by malposition of the uterus.
  WILSON:  There's a better place for it?

Safety deposit box, where it can't get into trouble.

   HOUSE:  And now what do we got?  We got lobotomies, rubber
           rooms, electric shocks.  My, Galen was so primitive.
  WILSON:  Where are you going?
   HOUSE:  Going to see the patient.  That all-important human
           connection.  Thought I'd give it a whirl.
  WILSON:  You won't talk to patients because they lie, but give
           you a patient with no concept of reality --
   HOUSE:  If it wasn't for Socrates, that raving untreated
           schizophrenic, we wouldn't have the Socratic method, the
           best way of teaching everything, apart from juggling
           chain saws.

I didn't see strong evidence of use of the traditional meaning of
"Socratic method" in this episode (though House would employ it in other
episodes), so I assumed they were going for a different meaning with the
episode title here: listening to madness in order to divine its method.  
Of course, there's far from universal agreement that Socrates and Newton
suffered from schizophrenia, but the former did claim to hear voices and
the latter did run off the rails for a few years in middle age before
suddenly and inexplicably achieving clarity again.

   HOUSE:  Without Isaac Newton, we'd be floating on the ceiling.
  WILSON:  Dodging chain saws, no doubt.

Heh.  Wilson did a pretty good job of keeping up.

   HOUSE:  And that guitar player in that English band, he was
           great.  You think I'm interested because of the
           schizophrenia.
  WILSON:  Yeah.  I'm pretty sure.

I was intrigued by the degree to which the story made an issue of
House's interest.  It was the central subject of this conversation.  I
think Wilson was right about House's interest in the schizophrenia, but
given the point at which House involved himself and what happened over
the course of the episode, I had to suspect House also wanted to help
the kid.

   HOUSE:  Galen was pretty sure about the fumigation thing.  Pink
           Floyd.

From classic Greek to classic rock.  I miss this House.

Wilson was holding a copy of the _Placebo Journal_ (medical humor
magazine).

  HOUSE:  [To Lucy]  Nice kid.  How much do you really drink?

  FOREMAN:  He's really talking to a patient?
    CHASE:  I don't know who I am anymore.

rotfl.

  FOREMAN:  It's a blood clot.  What's so fascinating about that?
    CHASE:  He likes crazy people, likes the way they think.

Unfortunately, House would be derisive of another mentally ill patient
in the second season.

  FOREMAN:  They think badly.  That's the definition of crazy.  Why
            would he like --
    CHASE:  They're not boring.  He likes that.

Another indication that Foreman was the new kid, while Chase had worked
for House longer and could therefore explain him to Foreman.  This was
the sixth episode aired, but only the third one shot.  It also implied
that Chase had seen House fascinated by a crazy person ...

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Date: 13 Mar 2006 16:10:44 -0800
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Subject: Re: HOUSE, M.D.: 6. "The Socratic Method"
This was my first House episode, and remains one of my favorites.

I am stunned by Laurie's fake British accent.  How does he do that?
And what fun it must have been.

House says, "That's a good kid" twice in this episode.  It's one of the
few times House forms a strong connection to a patient (or rather, the
family).  And who can blame him for not wanting to damage Luke and
Lucy's fragile relationship?

Everything works together so beautifully, it makes me regret the second
season all the more.  <sigh>

We'll see how the season ends before I make a decision whether I'll be
around for Round Three.


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khalle...@netzero.com wrote:
> This was my first House episode, and remains one of my favorites.

> I am stunned by Laurie's fake British accent.  How does he do that?
> And what fun it must have been.

Ummmm...you mean fake American accent...eh?

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Subject: Re: HOUSE, M.D.: 6. "The Socratic Method"
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:45:37 -0330, cloud dreamer

<inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> This was my first House episode, and remains one of my favorites.

>> I am stunned by Laurie's fake British accent.  How does he do that?
>> And what fun it must have been.

>Ummmm...you mean fake American accent...eh?

Presume that's what he meant.

And I still wonder if Laurie even *does* the accent, or if it's dubbed
in after, which he could still do, but since I've seen him on three or
four talk shows and he never has done it live, ...

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

J.


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"cloud dreamer" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote in message

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> khalle...@netzero.com wrote:

>> This was my first House episode, and remains one of my favorites.

>> I am stunned by Laurie's fake British accent.  How does he do that?
>> And what fun it must have been.

> Ummmm...you mean fake American accent...eh?

Nope.  There's a scene where House is phoning the patient's old doctors, but
doing it sort of incognito given the lateness of the hour, and he uses a
fake British accent on one of them.  We're admiring the contortions of a
British actor playing an American character putting on a bad English accent.

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Ah...okay...gotcha...ummmm...I think. :)

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Subject: Re: HOUSE, M.D.: 6. "The Socratic Method"
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:09:16 -0330, cloud dreamer

<inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
:Chelsea Christenson wrote:

:
:> "cloud dreamer" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote in message
:> news:121c2pafs9of525@corp.supernews.com...
:>
:>>khalle...@netzero.com wrote:

:>>
:>>
:>>>This was my first House episode, and remains one of my favorites.
:>>>
:>>>I am stunned by Laurie's fake British accent.  How does he do that?
:>>>And what fun it must have been.
:>>
:>>Ummmm...you mean fake American accent...eh?
:>
:>
:> Nope.  There's a scene where House is phoning the patient's old doctors, but
:> doing it sort of incognito given the lateness of the hour, and he uses a
:> fake British accent on one of them.  We're admiring the contortions of a
:> British actor playing an American character putting on a bad English accent.
:>
:
:Ah...okay...gotcha...ummmm...I think. :)

        There are some scenes in the fourth season of
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" where the American James
Marsters, who plays the English vampire Spike, does a
spot-on bad fake American accent.  Sounds just like
when some British actors (I'm looking at you Kenneth
Branagh) try and fail at an American accent.
--
"It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
country."
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From: MDuP...@theworld.com.snip.to.reply (Micky DuPree)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:02:27 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: HOUSE, M.D.: 6. "The Socratic Method"

khalle...@netzero.com writes:

: This was my first House episode, and remains one of my favorites.

It was one of my earliest episodes, as a repeat last spring, and I was
amazed at how rich it was in nuance.  House could be both crude and yet
subtle in the same breath.  He could be both unsentimental and
protective.  He and Cuddy both bantered and bickered.  Cuddy could both
take a hard line against House's fraud and also be an advocate for his
patient, and I bought both attitudes completely.  Wilson could both not
get it, and yet get it in the end.  I guess maybe the fellows weren't
fleshed out very three-dimensionally, but they do get their character
points doled out to them pretty slowly as a rule.

: I am stunned by Laurie's fake British accent.  How does he do that?
: And what fun it must have been.

All I can think of is that the Brits have heard a lot of fake British
accents in American TV and movies over the years, so I guess they're
pretty familiar with failed American attempts by now.  (Forty years
later and they still make fun of Dick Van Dyke's attempt at Cockney in
_Mary Poppins_.)

: House says, "That's a good kid" twice in this episode.  It's one of
: the few times House forms a strong connection to a patient (or rather,
: the family).

How many other times does that happen in the first season?  "Detox,"
"Control," and "Role Model"?  And maybe, in a strange way, the brother
in "Mob Rules"?

: And who can blame him for not wanting to damage Luke and Lucy's
: fragile relationship?

Not me, but I know why some might.

: Everything works together so beautifully ...

Well, the birthday theme still strikes me as not really adding much, but
it's a small weakness in an episode that is otherwise swimming in
strengths.

: ... it makes me regret the second season all the more.  <sigh>

They literally haven't been making them like that anymore.

-Micky


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From: MDuP...@theworld.com.snip.to.reply (Micky DuPree)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:55:28 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: HOUSE, M.D.: 6. "The Socratic Method"

JXStern <JXSternChange...@gte.net> writes:

: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:45:37 -0330, cloud dreamer

: <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
:: khalleron wrote:

::: I am stunned by Laurie's fake British accent.  How does he do that?
::: And what fun it must have been.
::
:: Ummmm...you mean fake American accent...eh?
:
: Presume that's what he meant.

Nope.  As Chelsea said, it's the bad British accent during the second
phone call that's amazing.  But the acid test is always how it sounds to
a native, and an English ex-pat friend of mine confirmed my suspicions.  
To him, House sounded exactly like an American trying to do a British
accent but failing.

: And I still wonder if Laurie even *does* the accent, or if it's dubbed
: in after, which he could still do, but since I've seen him on three or
: four talk shows and he never has done it live, ...

Believe it.  It's apparently a thing with Laurie.  He uses the American
accent all day while working, even when the cameras aren't rolling, in
order to stay in the zone.  But he doesn't do the American accent when
he's off the clock.  The people who work with him independently confirm
this, as in this interview of Lisa Edelstein
<http://www.steppinoutmagazine.com/03_01_06/html/interview.html>:

     [Q;]  What is Hugh Laurie like off-camera, and does he talk with
     an American accent or his home British accent?

     [A:]  He always speaks with an American accent at work.  I never
     hear the English guy unless I see him on the weekends.  It's
     kind of funny.  He's a completely different guy on weekends!
     When I first saw him on a weekend I thought, "Who is this guy?"

-Micky


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From: MDuP...@theworld.com.snip.to.reply (Micky DuPree)
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George W Harris <ghar...@mundsprung.com> writes:

: There are some scenes in the fourth season of "Buffy the Vampire
: Slayer" where the American James Marsters, who plays the English
: vampire Spike, does a spot-on bad fake American accent.

Oh, yeah, I had forgotten about that.  Hilarious stuff.  I still think
his English accent was dodgy, but he did manage to do fake-American
pretty well.

: Sounds just like when some British actors (I'm looking at you Kenneth
: Branagh) try and fail at an American accent.

I liked his FDR.  The standards for doing an American accent in America
are pretty high.  The best way to hear a bad American accent is to watch
British shows with American caricatures, all of whom seem to be rich,
crass, and from either Texas or California.

-Micky


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From: MDuP...@theworld.com.snip.to.reply (Micky DuPree)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:38:40 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: HOUSE, M.D.: 6. "The Socratic Method"

MDuP...@theworld.com.snip.to.reply (Micky DuPree) writes:
: khalle...@netzero.com writes:

:: House says, "That's a good kid" twice in this episode.  It's one of
:: the few times House forms a strong connection to a patient (or
:: rather, the family).
:
: How many other times does that happen in the first season?  "Detox"
: [....]

That should be "DNR," not "Detox."

-Micky


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