> Anyone still defending the retcon to Deb's character? She put a hit
> on Hanna.
> Is this Dexter's first poisoner?
The whole idea of the Dexter character was that he had no ability to
empathize with anyone's misery or problems, it was water of a duck's
back. So, I thought the season would evolve with him having to decide
whether or not to kill Deb after she discovered his secret, but
they've changed the character. For some reason, Dexter can now "feel."
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>>Anyone still defending the retcon to Deb's character? She put a hit
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>Yeah, Deb is pretty problematic this season.
>And they sure give up fast. His lawyer got him bail? KILL HIM KILL HIM >KILL HIM NOW BEFORE HE GETS OUT OF THE BUILDING!!
I assume charges were dismissed entirely, with no evidence to prosecute
him with.
RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Anyone still defending the retcon to Deb's character? She put a hit
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>>Is this Dexter's first poisoner?
>The whole idea of the Dexter character was that he had no ability to
>empathize with anyone's misery or problems, it was water of a duck's
>back. So, I thought the season would evolve with him having to decide
>whether or not to kill Deb after she discovered his secret, but
>they've changed the character. For some reason, Dexter can now "feel."
Uh, Dex was NEVER going to kill Deb.
The question, in my mind before this season, was Would Deb kill Dex?
>On Nov 13, 5:56 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
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>> Anyone still defending the retcon to Deb's character? She put a hit
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>> Is this Dexter's first poisoner?
>The whole idea of the Dexter character was that he had no ability to
>empathize with anyone's misery or problems, it was water of a duck's
>back. So, I thought the season would evolve with him having to decide
>whether or not to kill Deb after she discovered his secret, but
>they've changed the character. For some reason, Dexter can now "feel."
Clearly you do not understand Dexter (the character) at all. Neither
does Dexter himself, as pointed out by Doakes in season 2.
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>On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:23:45 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>The whole idea of the Dexter character was that he had no ability to
>>empathize with anyone's misery or problems, it was water of a duck's
>>back. So, I thought the season would evolve with him having to decide
>>whether or not to kill Deb after she discovered his secret, but
>>they've changed the character. For some reason, Dexter can now "feel."
>Clearly you do not understand Dexter (the character) at all. Neither
>does Dexter himself, as pointed out by Doakes in season 2.
Dexter is an unreliable narrator. This has been clear since the beginning.
> Jim T. <x...@y.z> wrote:
> >On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:23:45 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>The whole idea of the Dexter character was that he had no ability to
> >>empathize with anyone's misery or problems, it was water of a duck's
> >>back. So, I thought the season would evolve with him having to decide
> >>whether or not to kill Deb after she discovered his secret, but
> >>they've changed the character. For some reason, Dexter can now "feel."
> >Clearly you do not understand Dexter (the character) at all. Neither
> >does Dexter himself, as pointed out by Doakes in season 2.
> Dexter is an unreliable narrator. This has been clear since the beginning.
He's also evolved quite a bit since season 1. At the beginning his relationship with Rita was just for appearance's sake (or so he claimed). But by the time he married her he'd developed real feelings for her, and having the baby has given him someone to empathize with.
Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
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>>>>The whole idea of the Dexter character was that he had no ability to
>>>>empathize with anyone's misery or problems, it was water of a duck's
>>>>back. So, I thought the season would evolve with him having to decide
>>>>whether or not to kill Deb after she discovered his secret, but
>>>>they've changed the character. For some reason, Dexter can now "feel."
>>>Clearly you do not understand Dexter (the character) at all. Neither
>>>does Dexter himself, as pointed out by Doakes in season 2.
>>Dexter is an unreliable narrator. This has been clear since the beginning.
>He's also evolved quite a bit since season 1. At the beginning his >relationship with Rita was just for appearance's sake (or so he >claimed). But by the time he married her he'd developed real feelings >for her, and having the baby has given him someone to empathize with.
Dexter's claim that he was with Rita for appearance's sake was obviously
false from the pilot. If he's evolved at all, he's merely taking less time
to stop denying his feelings. With regard to Hannah, he stopped denying
his feelings in record time, a mere two weeks. It was obvious to me that
he was in love with her when he first met her, before he figured out that
she was a killer (and I'm guessing the lead instigator) and just thought
she was a spree killer's lover.
In narration, Dexter denies his humanity, because that's what Harry chose
to see and because Harry wanted Dexter to become an instrument, not a
functioning adult doing the best he can to overcome childhood trauma.
The primary tension in the show was between what Deb saw in Dexter versus
what Dexter believes himself to be.
Of course, with the inexplicable changes in Deb's character this season,
that's been discarded.
>Anyone still defending the retcon to Deb's character? She put a hit
>on Hanna.
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It wasn't a retcon They had been setting this up for several seasons
now, perhaps since Agent Lundy died in season four but deffinately at
the during the Lumen arc in season 5 when at the end in the season
finale "The Big One" Debra actually catch Dexter and Lumen disposing
of a body, but their identities were blocked by a opaque plastic sheet
so she didn't know who they were. She told them she understood what
they did and why they did it and told them to leave before the police
got there in an hour.
In season six she said she felt nothing for killing a man in a
shootout in self defense. That isn' normal even when it is totally
justified (although most TV cop shows depict it as being so with the
protagonist not feeling any psychological effects about taking a human
life) so they have been setting things up for this for at least two
maybe three seasons. It is not out of the blue.
As for Debra ordering a hit specifically, in fact Dexter maybe feeling
a bit of deja vu. Harry Morgan ordered Dexter to kill a pimp, Juan
Rinez who killed prostitutes when he was released because of a faulty
search warrant. Dexter did and he proudly showed Morgan the pimp's cut
up body. Morgaan ran out of the room to vomit. A couple of days later
Morgan realized what he had done commited suicide.
This time around Debra is doing the same thing Harry did for the same
reason, out of a sense of outrage to get justice done. Of course it is
also the fact she was starting to have feelings for the murdered
author.
>Is this Dexter's first poisoner?
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No its not. In fact his very first victim was a poisoner, an Angel of
Death.
In a season one flashback Dexter killed one of Harry's nurses (he had
a heart attack) Nurse Mary when it was found out that she was
poisoning him with morphine. Harry gave him permission to do it. She
was his first victim.
Then there was in season two Jimmy Sensio, a Vodoo priest who served
his victims ricin laced drinks, but Dexter let him go.
------>Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
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>>>Anyone still defending the retcon to Deb's character? She put a hit
>>>on Hanna.
>>Yeah, Deb is pretty problematic this season.
>>And they sure give up fast. His lawyer got him bail? KILL HIM KILL HIM >>KILL HIM NOW BEFORE HE GETS OUT OF THE BUILDING!!
>I assume charges were dismissed entirely, with no evidence to prosecute
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That is exactly what happened Quinn stole the blood evidence from the
evidence room and Issak's men compromised the crime scene by backing
up the Meteo's toilets so they couldn't get new blood samples. With no
surviving witnesses or anyother evidence they had to let him go.
On a related front Quinn is now determined to take down Issaak and
George Novikov to protect Nadia even if it cost him his life.
------>Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
>> Anyone still defending the retcon to Deb's character? She put a hit
>> on Hanna.
>Not me.
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She wasn't reconned Things have been leading up to this since season
five at least.
>> Is this Dexter's first poisoner?
>Afaik it is.
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No its not, its his third, Including his very first victim who tried
to "mercy" kill his father in a season one flashback and another
poisoner in season two.
------>Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
