Irish Mike
Irish Mike
"The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other
people's money."
Proud to be one of the 60,000,000 Americans who did not vote for Obama.
Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
Where have all the war protesters gone? When Bush was President, left
wing war protesters were staging rallies and marches in major cities all
over the country, and MSNBC covered them in depth. Now that Obama is
President, where have all the war protesters gone?
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Waiting for the Season 2 DVD set.
> so silly it looked like it was
> written by a bunch of high school kids who were making it up as they
> went.
Whenever I come across something like that I immediately think of Chris
Carter ("The X-Files"). That (making it up as he went along.) became
evident more and more as time went on, especially in Season 6+).
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
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"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Durkani: It doesn't matter if they believe us. Sooner or later the
truth's going to come out. The truth is....
Kendarr: ....out of fashion.
I've expressed on this group how tired I'm getting of Maryann, but
there have also been some excellent aspects of this season. I still
recommend it heartily to other people.
Patty
The Maryann character is to True Blood what those dim-witted dream
sequences were to The Sopranos. I have yet to find a True Blood fan who
actually likes the Maryann character or plot line. There are two episodes
left and, at the risk of sounding vulgar, I sincerely hope some one kills
the bitch.
Irish Mike
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I'm a True Blood fan who has been enjoying the plotline. Vampires,
werewolves, and non-werewolf shapechangers like Sam and Daphne are
fairly familiar tropes; a maenad is something unusual in this genre.
And I like the way she utterly outclasses a vampire like Bill.
Hard to believe that, however, that in all this time she's never run
into somebody like Sookie before. Sookie's only been around 25 years
or so, and she's already met another one like her.
:-)
I think she would have been interesting for 3-4 episodes. Just enough
to throw Sam off balance temporarily. The Dallas storyline felt too
long to me, also.
Patty
> Hard to believe that, however, that in all this time she's never run
> into somebody like Sookie before. Sookie's only been around 25 years
> or so, and she's already met another one like her.
Maybe there's more to Sookie than just being a telepath.
--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
This season has been pretty good, despite the problems with the Maryanne
plot line. Michelle Forbes is a great actress. One of the best TV
character actors around right right now. I'm not blaming her performance.
My main issue with her plot line on the show has been the constant sex
orgies. They overplayed their hand here. We got the point, and they felt
need to repeatedly remind us that she draws her power from them
(depravity, anger, etc). I think there's been one in every ep so far
this season.
I think overall, season 2 has been better than season 1. It's still a
very entertaining show. There's been great character development, and
interesting new players have been throw into the mix.
I have no doubt Maryanne will be killed by the season finale. Good
riddance.
They are following a loose arc based on original books, taking series
in different directions as well. To me, it runs hot and cold,
sometimes in same episode. The use of Eric has been good this season,
whereas MaryAnn character was ok in mansion, not ok in Sookie's
house. And supporting cast of townies do not seem up to task to act
at same level as leads. I also felt religious war thing fell flat,
while Sookie's kidnapping worked well. Hot and cold.
Turk
So here's something that I thought was strange: that Hugo, traitor to
the vampires, would insist on accompanying Sookie into the Fellowship
of the Sun - or, in fact, get any closer to her than he absolutely had
to. It was inevitable that she would pick up on his thoughts of
betrayal, as indeed she did. She could have easily picked up on it in
the bar, before they ever got to the "safety" (from his point of view)
of the Fellowship.
Her visit would have been a good time for him to pretend he had the
flu.
Certainly whatever backed off Maryann was more than telepathy.
The whole "new person comes to town and starts doing mysterious things"
routine reminds me a bit of the latter days of Dark Shadows, when they
had run out of things to do with vampires and werewolves and went off
into Lovecraft. Perhaps the idea in True Blood is that vampires and
werewolves are already old hat and they need variety.
What's wrong with that? That's what I like about this take on the genre. I
was ready to dismiss the whole premise out of hand...but they have managed
to find a pretty cool new spin on it.
Right. And there's no reason to believe that all telepaths have that
power.
So while Maryann may have encountered telepaths before, Sookie is
apparently unique, hence her "What are you?" exclamation.
I always thought there was more to her granma too. I believe there were
secrets unexplained about that old lady that have something to do with her
story as well.
> but the whole sub-plot with the
> "Maryann" character has just been idiotic.
It somewhat reminds me of season four of Angel and its whole Jasmine-
mess. In Angel's case I blamed Gina Torres first, though when I saw her
on Firefly, I stood corrected. Here I am wise enough to blame the
writers :)
> I'm a True Blood fan who has been enjoying the plotline. Vampires,
> werewolves, and non-werewolf shapechangers like Sam and Daphne are
> fairly familiar tropes; a maenad is something unusual in this genre.
> And I like the way she utterly outclasses a vampire like Bill.
The problem with calling Maryann a maenad is that she bears so
little resemblance to one. Classical maenads (bacchae, bacchante,
etc.) had no supernatural powers, they were simply followers of
Bacchus/Dionysus who were known for traveling in packs, having
sexual orgies and violent frenzies including tearing animals, and
sometimes humans, apart limb from limb.
My first guess was that Maryann was some sort of more
run-of-the-mill ancient Greek sorceress. The pig familiar
immediately suggested Circe, and her surviving to the present day
recalled, to me at least, the character of Thessaly from Neil
Gaiman's _Sandman_.
> Hard to believe that, however, that in all this time she's never run
> into somebody like Sookie before. Sookie's only been around 25 years
> or so, and she's already met another one like her.
Yes, one of the many details that don't really add up, as I
mentioned in another post. Another is what you said elsewhere about
Hugo accompanying Sookie to the FotS. Hardly an episode goes by
without at least one such WTF? You can usually think of a
plausible explanation -- for example, maybe Sookie's grandfather,
herself and Barry are something entirely new to the True Blood
universe, for some reason -- but then the writers should really
address such questions in the story.
--
Jim Heckman
You and Bill Steele make a good point, which is that just plain Vampires
can get pretty old, pretty quick. But I still think the Marryanne
character was a mistake. That sub-plot line is just silly and became
boring after the first half dozen orgies.
The first season was really strong writing - the whole concept of Vampires
coming out of the coffin combined with a serial killer, set in a small
Louisiana town. But the writing really went down-hill in the second
season. Now here are some better ways (IMHO) that the writers could have
gone in season two:
A plot line based on shape-shifters but let them change in to creatures a
lot more interesting and dangerous than a dog, doe, bird and a house fly.
Or at least let the house fly get nailed by a spider! (Never mind, that's
been done).
A plot line about how the Vampires got "made" combined with some flash
backs from their "lives", like the "Hard Hearted Hanna" scenes.
A plot line involving Vampire politics and internal fighting - some nasty
Vampires come in to make a power play and take over Eric's area etc.
Could throw in some scenes of Vampires fighting with weapons more
interesting and lethal than just biting an enemy on the next. Eric was a
Viking warrior - give the lad a sword and wicked looking double edged
Norse battle Axe.
A plot line involving a professional "Vampire killer" who hunts them for
bounty or blood. Or give the Vampire hunter a couple of super natural
powers of his own. Now 99.9% of you won't know what I am referring to
here but there could be a tie in to a character like the one Sgt. Barry
Saddler created in his "Casca, the Eternal Mercenary" book series.
A plot line involving a seriously wicked and evil "Church of the Sun".
Not the silly looking little fop and his vanilla cream puff wife that the
Newlins were.
In any case, it was way too early in the series to introduce a
"jump-the-shark" character like Maryanne. She is just ridiculous. She
waves her arms a lot. She puts on a goofy looking Bull Winkle head and
chases people through the woods and tries to scratch them on the back.
And all the towns people get black eyes and have orgies and food fights.
Yawn.
Well there are two episodes left so I hope I do not appear vulgar when I
say that I sincerely hope some one kills the bitch and the show gets back
on track in season three. Assuming these even is a season three, after
the dog season two turned out to be.
Irish Mike
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> Global warming is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people. It
> makes Bernard Madoff look like a crooked Girl Scout selling over priced
> cookies.
Its because of people like you we shouldn't try to save humanity.
>The whole "new person comes to town and starts doing mysterious things"
is one of the two basic stories: "A stranger comes to town"
and "Someone goes on a journey."
--
Doesn't the fact that there are *exactly* 50 states seem a little suspicious?
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'
Or is that one basic story told from two different perspectives?
Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com
>> so silly it looked like it was
>> written by a bunch of high school kids who were making it up as they
>> went.
>
>Whenever I come across something like that I immediately think of Chris
>Carter ("The X-Files"). That (making it up as he went along.) became
>evident more and more as time went on, especially in Season 6+).
Oh, it didn't take THAT long! Hell, it took Lost bewteen two and three
seasons for that to become obvious.
>> Hard to believe that, however, that in all this time she's never run
>> into somebody like Sookie before. Sookie's only been around 25 years
>> or so, and she's already met another one like her.
>
>Maybe there's more to Sookie than just being a telepath.
There is more to Sookie that hasn't been revealed yet.
>The whole "new person comes to town and starts doing mysterious things"
>routine reminds me a bit of the latter days of Dark Shadows, when they
>had run out of things to do with vampires and werewolves and went off
>into Lovecraft. Perhaps the idea in True Blood is that vampires and
>werewolves are already old hat and they need variety.
Oy! That particular story arc was PAINFUL.
>The problem with calling Maryann a maenad is that she bears so
>little resemblance to one. Classical maenads (bacchae, bacchante,
>etc.) had no supernatural powers, they were simply followers of
>Bacchus/Dionysus who were known for traveling in packs, having
>sexual orgies and violent frenzies including tearing animals, and
>sometimes humans, apart limb from limb.
I wondered about that as well, then decided to attribute it a part of
the story that people forgot about and eventually dropped.
And I hope they keep that card up their collective sleeves for a while
yet...
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Now with 100% more monsters than before!
Does it have anything to do with the scare she gave Maryann?
Patty
Yes. That's all I'm saying though...
[extraneous text removed]
>> Does it have anything to do with the scare she gave Maryann?
>
>Yes. That's all I'm saying though...
That's fine--I don't want any spoilers!
Patty
<shrug> I haven't watched "The X-Files" since the original broadcast. I
just remember feeling more and more like we, the X-Files viewers, were
being led around by a guy who was out of ideas, never had an overall
plan, was completely lost and not willing to ask for directions, so to
speak. After suffering through the awfulness of 6X01, I started to give
up on it, didn't bother watching it every week, and those I did start to
watch, I sometimes didn't finish. It got so that I most looked forward
to the monster-of-the-week episodes.
> Hell, it took Lost bewteen two and three
> seasons for that to become obvious.
That makes me not want to start watching "Lost." I'd planned to get
around to it eventually, catching up via Netflix before watching any new
episodes. Sounds like it's a meandering waste of time.
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Mac Breck (KoshN)
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"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Durkani: It doesn't matter if they believe us. Sooner or later the
truth's going to come out. The truth is....
Kendarr: ....out of fashion.
Well I'll tell you what...it wouldn't be nearly as much fun watching
straight through. A large part of the enjoyment of Lost for me has been the
surrounding discussion...the dissection of all the complications...even the
bitching about the behavior of characters and various plot twists. It's
been a great ride you missed out on. Too bad for you.
> Ubiquitous wrote:
>
> > Hell, it took Lost bewteen two and three
> > seasons for that to become obvious.
>
> That makes me not want to start watching "Lost." I'd planned to get
> around to it eventually, catching up via Netflix before watching any new
> episodes. Sounds like it's a meandering waste of time.
That's 'cos Ubi's dead wrong, and doesn't know what he's talking about -
from the second half of season #3 on, there's been no meandering, and
there's definitely a destination in mind on "Lost".
--
"There's no business, like Cho business."
- Patrick Jane, "The Mentalist", 02/11/09
It's still in my queue. I'll give it a whole season unless it turns me
off like "Dollhouse" did.
> It's still in my queue. I'll give it a whole season unless it turns
> me off like "Dollhouse" did.
Do give it a few episodes. It really picks up toward the middle.
>Ian J. Ball wrote:
>> In article <yfudnROwR-v16TzX...@supernews.com>,
>> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hell, it took Lost bewteen two and three
>>>> seasons for that to become obvious.
>>>
>>> That makes me not want to start watching "Lost." I'd planned to get
>>> around to it eventually, catching up via Netflix before watching any
>>> new episodes. Sounds like it's a meandering waste of time.
>>
>> That's 'cos Ubi's dead wrong, and doesn't know what he's talking
>> about - from the second half of season #3 on, there's been no
>> meandering, and there's definitely a destination in mind on "Lost".
>
>It's still in my queue. I'll give it a whole season unless it turns me
>off like "Dollhouse" did.
There is no doubt about it that seasons 2-3 dragged quite a bit and seemed
to have a "making it up as we go" air. Since then (and I believe a loss of
viewers precipicated it) it's been moving along much faster and with an end
game in mind.
Did those episodes seem padded, like they didn't really have enough
material to fit in an hour long episode? I'll have to see if I can make
it through the doldrums of seasons 2 & 3. It'll be like watching any
post-TNG Trek series, I guess. (I dropped DS9 and VOY before finishing.
ENT had those two seasons up front.)
> and
> seemed to have a "making it up as we go" air. Since then (and I
> believe a loss of viewers precipicated it) it's been moving along
> much faster and with an end game in mind.
--
Are you speaking about "Lost" or "Dollhouse" (and if you give a Vorlon
"Yes." .... <shakes fist>). People say that "Dollhouse" got better
toward the end, but I couldn't stand a third episode.
>Ravenlynne wrote:
>> Mac Breck scribbled on the wall in permanent marker:
>>
>>
>>> It's still in my queue. I'll give it a whole season unless it turns
>>> me off like "Dollhouse" did.
>>
>>
>> Do give it a few episodes. It really picks up toward the middle.
>
>Are you speaking about "Lost" or "Dollhouse" (and if you give a Vorlon
>"Yes." .... <shakes fist>). People say that "Dollhouse" got better
>toward the end, but I couldn't stand a third episode.
Dollhouse had one improved episode (#6) and went right back to crap.
Lost caught fire when they decided to end it after 6(?) seasons. It's worth watching seasons 2 and 3 just to get to the
good stuff.
Those seasons were often stories about the characters rather than any
ongoing plot. Usually done via flashbacks. I just got the feeling that
the writers were just making things up and had no idea where things were
going on the island itself. I almost quit watching the show because of
that. I still think that was the case at the time.
I think that's what led to a drop in viewership. ABC and the producers then
announced an end date for LOST. This allowed the writers to start thinking
of an ending for the show and how to get there.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell. At the time of seasons 2 and 3, I was
getting pretty close to giving up on the show but on DVD where you can watch
at your own pace, it should play much better anyway.
-- Rob
Well, that *can* be interesting backstory, unless it happens too many
times in a season and it seems like the overall story is going nowhere.
Then it feels like the writers are treading water and don't know which
way to go with the story.
> I just got the feeling
> that the writers were just making things up and had no idea where
> things were going on the island itself. I almost quit watching the
> show because of that. I still think that was the case at the time.
>
> I think that's what led to a drop in viewership.
That went on for two years? What am I saying? "The X-Files" did it for
longer than that. <rolleyes>
> ABC and the
> producers then announced an end date for LOST. This allowed the
> writers to start thinking of an ending for the show and how to get
> there.
Good.
And yet Television Without Pity picks it as one of the Best!
http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/30_rock/fall_tv_preview_2009_best_and.php
http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/30_rock/fall_preview_2009_watch_dvr_or.php
...but then again there is some utterly insane BS in their
recommendations. I agree with some of what they say, but some of it is
out there, ....way, way out there.
> Lost caught fire when they decided to end it after 6(?) seasons.
> It's worth watching seasons 2 and 3 just to get to the good stuff.
Understood. ;-)
>Mason Barge wrote:
>> Dollhouse had one improved episode (#6) and went right back to crap.
>
>And yet Television Without Pity picks it as one of the Best!
>http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/30_rock/fall_tv_preview_2009_best_and.php
>http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/30_rock/fall_preview_2009_watch_dvr_or.php
>
>...but then again there is some utterly insane BS in their
>recommendations. I agree with some of what they say, but some of it is
>out there, ....way, way out there.
I think Dollhouse gets cut a lot of slack because of Joss Whedon. He's the
current darling emporer and everyone is afraid to tell him he has no
clothes. I loved Buffy and Firefly but Dollhouse simply does not stack up
well to either of those shows. The season finale of Dollhouse was simply
trash, in my opinion. Funny, the non-aired 13th episode available on the
DVD was actually an improvement even if it had little to do with the rest of
the series.
>I really enjoyed HBO's True Blood. I thought the
>first season was very good and had high hopes for Season Two. However, so
>far ( and there are only two episodes left) it has been a major
>disappointment. The Vampire plot line and characters is still good but
>the whole sub-plot with the "Maryann" character has just been idiotic.
>The last episode was so silly it looked like it was written by a bunch of
>high school kids who were making it up as they went. I'm embarrassed to
>say I actually recommended the show to a friend of mine. It's too bad
>because the series started out with great potential.
>
>Irish Mike
>
Characters in the novels I can't stand:
The menade
Calvin
Claude
Quinn
Alcide
Crystal
Plotlines I wish would disappear:
The were 'panthers' of Hotshot
Bills 'very' valuable database of vampires
Witches/Wizards and their practicing 'magic' (insurance guy puts
spells on the properties he insures..how stupid)
Things I'd like to see in the TV show:
Mickey standing outside the window in the rain with Tara's neck in his
hands demanding Sookie ask him in.
The fairy twins fucking like mad dogs while they carve sookie up like
a christmas goose.
> Things I'd like to see in the TV show:
>
> Mickey standing outside the window in the rain with Tara's neck in his
> hands demanding Sookie ask him in.
>
> The fairy twins fucking like mad dogs while they carve sookie up like
> a christmas goose.
You'll have to wait.