Re: FOX cancels "Dollhouse"
Mac Breck
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> Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
Well, that was expected.
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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7c8dd409d00e6902
>
> Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
> Sci-fi series expected to finish its 13-episode order
> By Nellie Andreeva
>
> "Dollhouse" is closing its doors at Fox.
>
> The network has canceled Joss Whedon's cult fave, which in May beat
> the odds with a second-season pickup despite low ratings.
>
> The sci-fi series, which is filming episode 11, is expected to finish
> its 13-episode order.
>
> After some dismal performance in the fall, despite the ratings bumps
> "Dollhouse" got from DVR viewing, Fox benched the show for the
> November sweep after four episodes.
>
> It is not clear if Fox will air the remaining episodes starting Dec. 4
> as planned.
>
> "Dollhouse" stars Eliza Dushku as a DNA-altered woman who gets
> implanted false memories for various missions and tasks.
>
> Fox already has picked up breakout freshman dramedy "Glee" for a full
> season. Freshman comedy "Brothers" is still awaiting its fate, but its
> chances don't look good.
Wow, big surprise. Last year's renewal was the shocker. Fox's Friday
programming will be reruns of other series on Fridays from now on. Wouldn't
surprise me to see the other majors go the same direction. This leaves more
openings for the netlets who are producing some decent programming at times.
EGK
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7c8dd409d00e6902
>
>Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
>Sci-fi series expected to finish its 13-episode order
>By Nellie Andreeva
>
>"Dollhouse" is closing its doors at Fox.
>
>The network has canceled Joss Whedon's cult fave
I honestly don't know how anyone could even call this show a "cult fave". It
seemed like even those of us who kept watching it in hopes it got better
were mostly disappointed.
Anim8rFSK
David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Dollhouse" stars Eliza Dushku as a DNA-altered woman
It does?
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EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
Words like "hit" and "favorite" have pretty much lost all their meaning
these days.
And even the disappointed viewers kept watching and talking about it;
new episodes always spawned long threads here.
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Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>In article <9fbmf5prbpqk0sbru...@4ax.com>,
> EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:42:02 -0500, David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7
>> >c8dd409d00e6902
>> >
>> >Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
>> >Sci-fi series expected to finish its 13-episode order
>> >By Nellie Andreeva
>> >
>> >"Dollhouse" is closing its doors at Fox.
>> >
>> >The network has canceled Joss Whedon's cult fave
>>
>> I honestly don't know how anyone could even call this show a "cult fave". It
>> seemed like even those of us who kept watching it in hopes it got better
>> were mostly disappointed.
>
>Words like "hit" and "favorite" have pretty much lost all their meaning
>these days.
>
>And even the disappointed viewers kept watching and talking about it;
>new episodes always spawned long threads here.
Well, I'll be waiting to hear if it has an ending.
If it does, I'll buy the DVDs.
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EGK
wrote:
>In article <9fbmf5prbpqk0sbru...@4ax.com>,
> EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:42:02 -0500, David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7
>> >c8dd409d00e6902
>> >
>> >Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
>> >Sci-fi series expected to finish its 13-episode order
>> >By Nellie Andreeva
>> >
>> >"Dollhouse" is closing its doors at Fox.
>> >
>> >The network has canceled Joss Whedon's cult fave
>>
>> I honestly don't know how anyone could even call this show a "cult fave". It
>> seemed like even those of us who kept watching it in hopes it got better
>> were mostly disappointed.
>
>Words like "hit" and "favorite" have pretty much lost all their meaning
>these days.
>
>And even the disappointed viewers kept watching and talking about it;
>new episodes always spawned long threads here.
True but I can't imagine there is anyone who didn't think the show was going
to be cancelled. I also can't imagine anyone who didn't think it deserved
it too.
Dimensional Traveler
> In article <k98mf51m967gf967r...@4ax.com>,
> David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Dollhouse" stars Eliza Dushku as a DNA-altered woman
>
> It does?
>
part, who gets the credit and promotion is the important part.
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"EGK" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Not me. I think is one of the smartest shows on TV at the moment. Far too
smart for the average numb viewer.
AC
AC
You self confessed lack of imagination explains a lot.
AC
Turk
wrote:
> > > I honestly don't know how anyone could even call this show a "cult fave".
> > > It seemed like even those of us who kept watching it in hopes it got better
> > > were mostly disappointed.
>
I like going where Whedon goes --- he has one thing Hollywood just has
so little of, and that's seeing things in original and thought-
provoking way. I'm just grateful he is around, and even when things
are not perfect, they are still arresting and fun. So I await his
next chapter.
Turk
scenario_dave
> "EGK" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> news:9fbmf5prbpqk0sbru...@4ax.com...
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>
>
>
>
> >>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8...
>
> >>Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
> >>Sci-fi series expected to finish its 13-episode order
> >>By Nellie Andreeva
>
> >>"Dollhouse" is closing its doors at Fox.
>
> >>The network has canceled Joss Whedon's cult fave
>
> > I honestly don't know how anyone could even call this show a "cult fave".
> > It
> > seemed like even those of us who kept watching it in hopes it got better
> > were mostly disappointed.
>
> Not me. I think is one of the smartest shows on TV at the moment. Far too
> smart for the average numb viewer.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's the problem with quality. Quality is narrow focused. Most
people either won't get it, think its boring or hate it. Simple crap
is more universal. Few people really like it but few really hate it so
it gets better ratings. In the old days that worked for the networks
because the really isn't much choice. Now viewers are running from the
networks and there responding by trying to make shows more universal
by making them dumber and dumber.
Dollhouse was the last show left on network tv that I watched. If I
can watch a show and understand the entire plot of the show except for
a few contrived plot twists in the first five minutes of the show I
lose interest very quickly. I want to see a show that I can enjoy but
still say what the heck is going on to some extent at the end of the
show.
Pete B
1fdb53...@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, scenar...@yahoo.com
says...
> That's the problem with quality. Quality is narrow focused. Most
> people either won't get it, think its boring or hate it. Simple crap
> is more universal. Few people really like it but few really hate it so
> it gets better ratings. In the old days that worked for the networks
> because the really isn't much choice. Now viewers are running from the
> networks and there responding by trying to make shows more universal
> by making them dumber and dumber.
>
They'v made them dumber and dumber for decades.
> Dollhouse was the last show left on network tv that I watched. If I
> can watch a show and understand the entire plot of the show except for
> a few contrived plot twists in the first five minutes of the show I
> lose interest very quickly.
You should watch season 5 of Andromeda, nobody had any idea what the
hell was going on ;)
Pelerin Galimatias
I guess that that makes me the average numb viewer. I couldn't get interested
in what appeared to a high tech whore house. It seemed depraved.
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Pete B
pgali...@hotmail.com says...
> In article <qPJKm.33872$uf7....@newsfe12.ams2>, x...@xxx.xxx says...
> >
> >
> >"EGK" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >news:9fbmf5prbpqk0sbru...@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:42:02 -0500, David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa
> >7c8dd409d00e6902
> >>>
> >>>Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
> >>>Sci-fi series expected to finish its 13-episode order
> >>>By Nellie Andreeva
> >>>
> >>>"Dollhouse" is closing its doors at Fox.
> >>>
> >>>The network has canceled Joss Whedon's cult fave
> >>
> >> I honestly don't know how anyone could even call this show a "cult fave".
> >> It
> >> seemed like even those of us who kept watching it in hopes it got better
> >> were mostly disappointed.
> >
> >Not me. I think is one of the smartest shows on TV at the moment. Far too
> >smart for the average numb viewer.
> >
> >AC
>
> I guess that that makes me the average numb viewer.
Hi!
Endymion9
only one more season? Boo.
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Pete B
@comcast.net says...
> We lost the excellent Sarah Conner Chronicles so this crap show could have
> only one more season?
No. Its just a lie hysterical fans made up.
Ian J. Ball
Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
And TSCC was *anything* but "excellent" in season #2 anyway.
So I guess that's another hysterical "lie" that TSCC "fans" made up...
;p
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EGK
<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>In article <MPG.25698262...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <IvSdnf6Xu5gi1GLX...@giganews.com>, endymion91
>> @comcast.net says...
>>
>> > We lost the excellent Sarah Conner Chronicles so this crap show could have
>> > only one more season?
>>
>> No. Its just a lie hysterical fans made up.
>
>And TSCC was *anything* but "excellent" in season #2 anyway.
>So I guess that's another hysterical "lie" that TSCC "fans" made up...
>;p
I agree TSCC wasn't great in it's second season but it was still better than
Dollhouse. I think it had more potential to go somewhere interesting.
Dollhouse never really got passed the high-tech whorehouse plots.
Pelerin Galimatias
ijball-...@mac.invalid says...
I got hooked on the last few episodes of TSCC and they killed it,but
kept Dollhouse. I tried to turn on Dollhouse a couple weeks ago because
the paper said that Cambot was going to be on, but they put an old House
on the network. I've been watching SGU, but it's a stinker. I'll probably
let it go.
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Hunter
diml...@yahoo.com says...
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7c8dd409d00e6902
>
> Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
> Sci-fi series expected to finish its 13-episode order
> By Nellie Andreeva
>
> "Dollhouse" is closing its doors at Fox.
>
> the odds with a second-season pickup despite low ratings.
>
> The sci-fi series, which is filming episode 11, is expected to finish
> its 13-episode order.
>
> After some dismal performance in the fall, despite the ratings bumps
> "Dollhouse" got from DVR viewing, Fox benched the show for the
> November sweep after four episodes.
>
> It is not clear if Fox will air the remaining episodes starting Dec. 4
> as planned.
>
> "Dollhouse" stars Eliza Dushku as a DNA-altered woman who gets
> implanted false memories for various missions and tasks.
HUH? DNA altered? I like to know who didn't read the show bible.
This is dumb absolutely dumb!! Couldn't they wait until they saw the
ratings with Summer Glau on the show? Yes I know the ratings were bad
generally, but they brought Summer Glau on board to pull in some of
her fans. Why couldn't they wait? Despite being on for a season and a
half it is premature to pull the plug in that light.
God, who will ever work for Fox to have their show aired? This is the
third series that has been shot out from under Summer Glau. I wonder
what she is thinking.
In its way this is dumber than NBC cancelling "Southland"
Unfortunately while "Southland" has been wisely picked up by TNT, I
don't see "Dollhouse" being picked up by another network, but one can
hope.
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Dano
Didn't they just pick up the unaired episodes? Better than nothing...but
I'll only be impressed if they actually produce more episodes themselves.
BTW...I am a fan of much of their own original programming and hope it
continues...including Southland, which should be perfect for them.
If only the SyFy network were actually a REAL sci-fi network, they could do
worse than pickup shows like Dollhouse and TSCC...but I suppose that's too
much to hope for. :(
Mac Breck
I wouldn't put any faith in TNT, or FOX or Syfy.
> if they actually produce more episodes themselves.
That might actually be worse. Then TNT might try to exert influence and
steer the show.
> BTW...I am a fan of much of their own original
> programming and hope it continues...
I avoid 'em like the plague, and have done so since late 1999. They're
not sci-fi friendly and stuff on that channel gets pushed around too
much for damned sports ( *basketball* , baseball, tennis, etc.).
> including Southland, which should
> be perfect for them.
Southland isn't their original programming unless they start having new
episodes produced.
> If only the SyFy network were actually a REAL sci-fi network,
LOL , Syfy, a real network. LOL
> they
> could do worse than pickup shows like Dollhouse and TSCC...but I
> suppose that's too much to hope for. :(
It is. Probably costs *way* too much for them.
Hunter
macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> David wrote:
> >
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7c8dd409d00e6902
> >
> > Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
>
> Well, that was expected.
True, I admit, but they could at least could had waited untill the
Summer Glau episodes were aired and seen then.
Mac Breck
> In article <56mdnTAnqaiguWbX...@supernews.com>,
> macthe...@yahoo.com says...
>> David wrote:
>>>
>>
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7c8dd409d00e6902
>>>
>>> Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
>>
>> Well, that was expected.
> ---
> True, I admit, but they could at least could had waited untill the
> Summer Glau episodes were aired and seen then.
FOX Network is going to air all 13 produced Season 2 episodes, aren't
they? Wasn't there a batch they were going to air in December? Even if
they do a "Firefly" on you, there will always be the DVDs.
EGK
>In article <56mdnTAnqaiguWbX...@supernews.com>,
>macthe...@yahoo.com says...
>> David wrote:
>> >
>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7c8dd409d00e6902
>> >
>> > Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
>>
>> Well, that was expected.
>---
>True, I admit, but they could at least could had waited untill the
>Summer Glau episodes were aired and seen then.
Why? Do you think Summer Glau alone was going to bring in a few million
more viewers? She couldn't save The Sarah Connor Chronicles and while that
show had problems, it was better than Dollhouse. Her episodes are still
going to be aired anyway as far as I know.
Pete B
macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> Hunter wrote:
> > In article <56mdnTAnqaiguWbX...@supernews.com>,
> > macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> >> David wrote:
> >>>
> >>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7c8dd409d00e6902
> >>>
> >>> Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
> >>
> >> Well, that was expected.
> > ---
> > True, I admit, but they could at least could had waited untill the
> > Summer Glau episodes were aired and seen then.
>
> FOX Network is going to air all 13 produced Season 2 episodes, aren't
> they? Wasn't there a batch they were going to air in December? Even if
> they do a "Firefly" on you, there will always be the DVDs.
>
>
Firefly! He said Firefly! Whaaaaaa!
EGK
Maybe my feelings about Dollhouse are colored by Firefly. Dollhouse at
least got a second season and by all accounts we'll at least get to see the
episodes that were filmed. Firefly didn't get that and it was a much
better show.
Adam H. Kerman
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:17:17 +0100, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>>>Hunter wrote:
>>>>macthe...@yahoo.com says...
>>>>>David wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>>
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7c8dd409d00e6902
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
>>> >>
>>> >> Well, that was expected.
>>> > ---
>>> > True, I admit, but they could at least could had waited untill the
>>> > Summer Glau episodes were aired and seen then.
>>>
>>> FOX Network is going to air all 13 produced Season 2 episodes, aren't
>>> they? Wasn't there a batch they were going to air in December? Even if
>>> they do a "Firefly" on you, there will always be the DVDs.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Firefly! He said Firefly! Whaaaaaa!
>Maybe my feelings about Dollhouse are colored by Firefly. Dollhouse at
>least got a second season and by all accounts we'll at least get to see the
>episodes that were filmed. Firefly didn't get that and it was a much
>better show.
It got a theatrical movie! Fortunately, the Fox programming executives didn't
control its fate.
When is "Nowhere Man" coming back? I'm still waiting!
Pete B
Mac Breck
> In article <vo4eg5d3hcn8kft5f...@4ax.com>,
> m...@privacy.net says...
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:17:17 +0100, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com>
>> wrote:
>> Maybe my feelings about Dollhouse are colored by Firefly.
>> Dollhouse at least got a second season and by all accounts we'll at
>> least get to see the episodes that were filmed. Firefly didn't
>> get that and it was a much better show.
>
> Yeah.
> Life sucks.
Yeah, that's why I hate those "Life is good." spare tire covers on the
back of Jeeps.
Ian J. Ball
That's truly a show that is *primed* for a remake.
Of course, every remake like "The Prisoner" just causes me to *shudder*
at the prospect of someone trying to remake NWM - the number of people
who could pull it off right could probably be counted on the fingers of
one hand... :(
peachy ashie passion
> Pete B wrote:
>> In article <vo4eg5d3hcn8kft5f...@4ax.com>,
>> m...@privacy.net says...
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:17:17 +0100, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com>
>>> wrote:
> <snip>
>>> Maybe my feelings about Dollhouse are colored by Firefly.
>>> Dollhouse at least got a second season and by all accounts we'll at
>>> least get to see the episodes that were filmed. Firefly didn't
>>> get that and it was a much better show.
>> Yeah.
>> Life sucks.
>
> Yeah, that's why I hate those "Life is good." spare tire covers on the
> back of Jeeps.
>
In this group I am having a conversation with people on the other
side of the continent, and on other continents entirely.
Life is fucking magical.
Pete B
macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> Pete B wrote:
> > In article <vo4eg5d3hcn8kft5f...@4ax.com>,
> > m...@privacy.net says...
> >> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:17:17 +0100, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com>
> >> wrote:
> <snip>
> >> Maybe my feelings about Dollhouse are colored by Firefly.
> >> Dollhouse at least got a second season and by all accounts we'll at
> >> least get to see the episodes that were filmed. Firefly didn't
> >> get that and it was a much better show.
> >
> > Yeah.
> > Life sucks.
>
> Yeah, that's why I hate those "Life is good." spare tire covers on the
> back of Jeeps.
You are allowed to let the air of those aren't you? (with a bolt gun!)
Pete B
Life is sad.
Mac Breck
> In article <h6ednZHwgK3srpXW...@supernews.com>,
> macthe...@yahoo.com says...
>> Pete B wrote:
>>> In article <tcOdnWbDZbjd15rW...@supernews.com>,
>>> macthe...@yahoo.com says...
>>>> Pete B wrote:
>>>>> Yeah.
>>>>> Life sucks.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, that's why I hate those "Life is good." spare tire covers on
>>>> the back of Jeeps.
>>>
>>> You are allowed to let the air of those aren't you? (with a bolt
>>> gun!)
>>
>> I said the spare tire *cover* , not the tires themselves.
>
> Life is sad.
As a response, that makes no sense whatsoever.
Pete B
> Pete B wrote:
> > In article <h6ednZHwgK3srpXW...@supernews.com>,
> > macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> >> Pete B wrote:
> >>> In article <tcOdnWbDZbjd15rW...@supernews.com>,
> >>> macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> >>>> Pete B wrote:
> <snip>
> >>>>> Yeah.
> >>>>> Life sucks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, that's why I hate those "Life is good." spare tire covers on
> >>>> the back of Jeeps.
> >>>
> >>> You are allowed to let the air of those aren't you? (with a bolt
> >>> gun!)
> >>
> >> I said the spare tire *cover* , not the tires themselves.
> >
> > Life is sad.
>
> As a response, that makes no sense whatsoever.
Well it does if I was campaigning for a change of the law so you can
shoot bolt guns at jeep tires.
Hunter
m...@privacy.net says...
Maybe, who knows what having two pieces of hotness in the same show
could do? :-)
Seriously perhaps not a few million views but perhaps a trend could
had been started and it could had built.
Anyway, it was a better show than people give it credit for. Still if
I had to chose yes, I much prefer "Terminator: The Sarah Connor
Chronicles" to had survived over "Dollhouse".
Pelerin Galimatias
buffh...@my-deja.com says...
I was going to forgo SGU just to see Cambot again.
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SFTV_troy
>
> Anyway, it was a better show than people give it credit for. Still if
> I had to chose yes, I much prefer "Terminator: The Sarah Connor
> Chronicles" to had survived over "Dollhouse".
You can't be serious. The Terminator series was so boring and lacking
in energy. I'd rather rewatch the dreadful Voyager than reatch
Terminator episodes.
SFTV_troy
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8...
>
>
>
> > But with a dismal performance this fall --
The show was on television in September and October? I don't remember
seeing it.
Hunter
> Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >In its way this is dumber than NBC cancelling "Southland"
> >Unfortunately while "Southland" has been wisely picked up by TNT, I
> >don't see "Dollhouse" being picked up by another network, but one can
> >hope.
>
> episodes and didn't agree to restart production. It's getting so late in
> the year I really don't see how they can resume production on Season 2
> anyway. Wouldn't they have had to let all the actors go since NBC
> killed production?
---
No they are under contract for a certain time. The arrangement with
TNT is that they will air the original seven episodes that aired on
NBC then the last six fulfilling the original 13 episode run. It will
beginning in late January and finish the run in late April. Then they
will see if they want to order more. Meanwhile the actors are in
limbo but they still will be paid I think.
Adam H. Kerman
>>>In its way this is dumber than NBC cancelling "Southland"
>>>Unfortunately while "Southland" has been wisely picked up by TNT, I
>>>don't see "Dollhouse" being picked up by another network, but one can
>>>hope.
>>What did you read? I thought TNT had agreed to air only the produced
>>episodes and didn't agree to restart production. It's getting so late in
>>the year I really don't see how they can resume production on Season 2
>>anyway. Wouldn't they have had to let all the actors go since NBC
>>killed production?
>No they are under contract for a certain time. The arrangement with
>TNT is that they will air the original seven episodes that aired on
>NBC then the last six fulfilling the original 13 episode run. It will
>beginning in late January and finish the run in late April. Then they
>will see if they want to order more. Meanwhile the actors are in
>limbo but they still will be paid I think.
Hunter, what you wrote fails to support that "No they are under contract
for a certain time" is the answer to the question if there's time to
resume production on Season 2, assuming TNT likes the ratings.
You're undoubtably wrong: April is much too late to resume production on
Season 2. I am aware that actors in a show's main cast are exclusive to
the production for a certain period of time, but I've never heard that it's
for an entire 52 week production year. How could contracts work like that
given that 13 episode orders are typical and they often get cut back?
thefutoncritic says the show will be in repeats January 12 till February 23.
I'll guess that TNT would have to decide to resume production during
January. Does anyone who isn't guessing know how these things typically work?
The new season begins March 2, till April 6.
You're definitely wrong about the "original 13 episode run". I don't know
if Season 1 had a 13 episode order cut back to 7, but merely 7 were produced.
The 6 new episodes were part of a 13 episode order for Season 2, cut back
to 6 episodes.
It's just coincidence that the total is 13, but production was during two
different seasons. Some of the Season 2 scripts may have been approved
in Season 1, though.
Rob Jensen
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>a...@chinet.com says...
>>>Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>>>>In its way this is dumber than NBC cancelling "Southland"
>>>>Unfortunately while "Southland" has been wisely picked up by TNT, I
>>>>don't see "Dollhouse" being picked up by another network, but one can
>>>>hope.
>
>>>What did you read? I thought TNT had agreed to air only the produced
>>>episodes and didn't agree to restart production. It's getting so late in
>>>the year I really don't see how they can resume production on Season 2
>>>anyway. Wouldn't they have had to let all the actors go since NBC
>>>killed production?
>
>>No they are under contract for a certain time. The arrangement with
>>TNT is that they will air the original seven episodes that aired on
>>NBC then the last six fulfilling the original 13 episode run. It will
>>beginning in late January and finish the run in late April. Then they
>>will see if they want to order more. Meanwhile the actors are in
>>limbo but they still will be paid I think.
No, Hunter. It would be unusual for the actors to get paid for
episodes that they aren't filming. Stuff like that is done only for
top-line actors in very strange situations on hit shows. Such as
Jennifer Morrison being paid for, well, every episode of House that
she's not in this season, due to a guaranteed minimum in her contract
*because she's a lead on House.* That sort of thing doesn't happen
for non-name actors on not-stratospherically popular shows.
>Hunter, what you wrote fails to support that "No they are under contract
>for a certain time" is the answer to the question if there's time to
>resume production on Season 2, assuming TNT likes the ratings.
>
>You're undoubtably wrong: April is much too late to resume production on
>Season 2. I am aware that actors in a show's main cast are exclusive to
>the production for a certain period of time, but I've never heard that it's
>for an entire 52 week production year. How could contracts work like that
>given that 13 episode orders are typical and they often get cut back?
>
>thefutoncritic says the show will be in repeats January 12 till February 23.
>I'll guess that TNT would have to decide to resume production during
>January. Does anyone who isn't guessing know how these things typically work?
>
>The new season begins March 2, till April 6.
>
>You're definitely wrong about the "original 13 episode run". I don't know
>if Season 1 had a 13 episode order cut back to 7, but merely 7 were produced.
>The 6 new episodes were part of a 13 episode order for Season 2, cut back
>to 6 episodes.
>
>It's just coincidence that the total is 13, but production was during two
>different seasons. Some of the Season 2 scripts may have been approved
>in Season 1, though.
However many episodes were filmed for season 1 or season 2 doesn't
matter. TNT picked up the rights to air all thirteen episodes and the
existing option to renew the series and therefore, the actors'
contracts. The clock on those options runs out at the end of the
season (end of May.
Tricky disclaimer: the option to renew the show and the option to pick
up the actors' contracts may/can be separate issues entirely. TNT
could even order new episodes *after* the actors' contracts expire at
the end of the TV season and then have to negotiate new contracts with
the actors from scratch. Probably won't because studios don't want to
have to renegotiate contracts if there's even a smidge of a
possibility of one of the cast suddenly popping big-time in a movie.
Also, if/when TNT's airings of s1 and 2 of Southland prove successful
enough for TNT to renew it, sure, episodes *could* theoretically start
filming as soon as April *if* TNT gives them an advance go-ahead and
*if* the show was far enough along in production on future episodes --
what would have been eps. 8, 9, and/or 10 of s2 -- to tweak and get
into prep fast. Even if/when TNT decides that it wants to continue
the show that *could* happen. It'd be unusual even for shows that are
picked up by new networks, but still, it could happen. However, even
if those hypothetical additional scripts in the pipeline (8, 9 and 10
of s2) get produced, they are no longer episodes 2.8, 2.9, and 2.10.
They're the first few episodes of season 3. They could even be, say,
eps 3.5, 3.6 and 3.7 in airing order with eps 3.1 to 3.4 filming
*later.*
Because, of course, the episodes probably wouldn't even be able to air
until August at the earliest.
-- Rob
Adam H. Kerman
Damn, she's either got an excellent agent or the world's most fucking stupid
producers. Is that true of the other two as well?
>>Hunter, what you wrote fails to support that "No they are under contract
>>for a certain time" is the answer to the question if there's time to
>>resume production on Season 2, assuming TNT likes the ratings.
>>You're undoubtably wrong: April is much too late to resume production on
>>Season 2. I am aware that actors in a show's main cast are exclusive to
>>the production for a certain period of time, but I've never heard that it's
>>for an entire 52 week production year. How could contracts work like that
>>given that 13 episode orders are typical and they often get cut back?
>>thefutoncritic says the show will be in repeats January 12 till February 23.
>>I'll guess that TNT would have to decide to resume production during
>>January. Does anyone who isn't guessing know how these things typically work?
>>The new season begins March 2, till April 6.
>>You're definitely wrong about the "original 13 episode run". I don't know
>>if Season 1 had a 13 episode order cut back to 7, but merely 7 were produced.
>>The 6 new episodes were part of a 13 episode order for Season 2, cut back
>>to 6 episodes.
>>It's just coincidence that the total is 13, but production was during two
>>different seasons. Some of the Season 2 scripts may have been approved
>>in Season 1, though.
>However many episodes were filmed for season 1 or season 2 doesn't
>matter. TNT picked up the rights to air all thirteen episodes and the
>existing option to renew the series and therefore, the actors'
>contracts. The clock on those options runs out at the end of the
>season (end of May.
Just a minute. "Renew the series" means "order episodes for Season 3".
I didn't ask that question. I'm asking how late it can get in the production
year if TNT wishes to resume production on Season 2.
>Tricky disclaimer: the option to renew the show and the option to pick
>up the actors' contracts may/can be separate issues entirely.
I understand.
>Also, if/when TNT's airings of s1 and 2 of Southland prove successful
>enough for TNT to renew it, sure, episodes *could* theoretically start
>filming as soon as April
But that would not be under the actor's exclusive availability contract for
Season 2. That would be the actor agreeing to participate in Season 3 and
showing up for work weeks early. Right?
>*if* TNT gives them an advance go-ahead and *if* the show was far enough
>along in production on future episodes -- what would have been eps. 8,
>9, and/or 10 of s2 -- to tweak and get into prep fast.
What could they have except for script approval from NBC? You forgot
episode 7.
>Even if/when TNT decides that it wants to continue the show that
>*could* happen. It'd be unusual even for shows that are picked up by new
>networks, but still, it could happen. However, even if those hypothetical
>additional scripts in the pipeline (8, 9 and 10 of s2) get produced,
>they are no longer episodes 2.8, 2.9, and 2.10. They're the first few
>episodes of season 3. They could even be, say, eps 3.5, 3.6 and 3.7 in
>airing order with eps 3.1 to 3.4 filming *later.*
Yes, I get it. My guess was that Season 3 might be filmed with scripts
already written. Why not?
But none of this answers my question about Season 2 resuming production.
Quite frankly, I do believe that actors have to make themselves available
for production for a fixed period during the production year, however that
runs, but I still don't believe they must be available exclusively a full
52 weeks. That would be absolutely unreasonable.
Do you know the answer to this question?
Hunter
> Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >In its way this is dumber than NBC cancelling "Southland"
> >Unfortunately while "Southland" has been wisely picked up by TNT, I
> >don't see "Dollhouse" being picked up by another network, but one can
> >hope.
>
> What did you read? I thought TNT had agreed to air only the produced
> episodes and didn't agree to restart production. It's getting so late in
> the year I really don't see how they can resume production on Season 2
> anyway. Wouldn't they have had to let all the actors go since NBC
> killed production?
>
As TheWrap first hinted last month, TNT hasn't yet decided whether to
pick up "Southland" and turn it into an official TNT drama. That's
because it wants to see how the show's ratings do first before
agreeing to shell out the multimillion dollar sum required to revive
production.
The deal between TNT and sibling studio Warner Bros. TV is thus a
fairly common acquisition agreement in which a cable network is,
essentially, picking up the off-net rerun rights to a series (along
with some new episodes). While some media outlets have painted this
move as rare, it is, in fact, far from unprecedented.
For example, in 2005, Syfy (nee Sci Fi Channel) struck a deal with
20th Century Fox TV to pick up 15 episodes of Joss Whedon's Fox drama
"Firefly"-- including three episodes that had never aired on Fox. Had
the show been a big hit on the cable network, it's possible more
episodes would have been produced.
Sci Fi also revived Fox's "Sliders," first buying the repeats and
then producing new episodes.
Likewise, Comedy Central picked up six episodes of the Kevin Smith
cartoon version of "Clerks." The series was canceled by ABC after
just two airings, leaving four half-hours as "originals" to Comedy
Central. Had the show done gangbusters on Comedy Central, it's
possible more episodes would have been produced.
Cartoon Network also bought rerun rights to Fox's "Futurama,"
including some unaired episodes. It was only after several years of
repeats that Cartoon struck a deal to produce original half-hours.
Should TNT actually decide to revive "Southland" with new episodes,
it would be a less common move-- but hardly unprecedented.
USA Network, for example, produced a fourth season of "Airwolf" after
CBS bailed back in the mid-1980s. Later, USA stepped in to help keep
"Law & Order: Criminal Intent" alive when its NBC run seemed shaky.
Lifetime also gave fans of "The Days and Nights of Molly Dodd"
another season of the show after its network run ended.*
As for TNT's pickup of the previously produced episodes, it was made
possible by a deal between NBC and Warner Bros. settling out the
various costs of the two parties' divorce.
We are extremely pleased that TNT has acquired all 13 episodes of
'Southland,' giving devoted fans the opportunity to watch a show that
they passionately support, said Peter Roth, president of Warner
Bros. Television.
I would presume that the actors are under contract for the required
period of time for TNT to decide what to ultimately do with the show.
Pete B
Shut...@aol.com says...
> Such as
> Jennifer Morrison being paid for, well, every episode of House that
> she's not in this season, due to a guaranteed minimum in her contract
> *because she's a lead on House.*
>
A new and exciting definition of "lead"
Rob Jensen
wrote:
>In article <hds0j51c730od3hph...@4ax.com>,
All of the First Generation of House's Kids were leads on the show
*because they were in the opening credits.* And were, like, central
characters. Just because the assholes that run the show (into the
ground) sidelined her without any justifiable reason doesn't mean that
she stops getting paid via the terms of her contract. (Bravo to her
agent, BTW.)
-- Rob
Adam H. Kerman
Rob, you're not going to get anyone else to agree with that definition of
"leading actor". No, she is a supporting actor and always has been. The
terms of her contract and the stupidity of her producers are irrelevant.
"House M.D." ain't an ensemble show, you might have noticed.
Hunter
macthe...@yahoo.com says...
> Dano wrote:
> > Hunter wrote:
> >> In article <k98mf51m967gf967r...@4ax.com>,
> >> diml...@yahoo.com says...
> >>>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibd4c93af8a3194fa7c8dd409d00e6902
> >>>
> >>> Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse' canceled
> >>> By Nellie Andreeva
> >>>
> >>> "Dollhouse" is closing its doors at Fox.
> >>>
> >>> The network has canceled Joss Whedon's cult fave, which in May beat
> >>> the odds with a second-season pickup despite low ratings.
> >>>
> >>> The sci-fi series, which is filming episode 11, is expected to
> >>> finish its 13-episode order.
> >>>
> >>> After some dismal performance in the fall, despite the ratings bumps
> >>> "Dollhouse" got from DVR viewing, Fox benched the show for the
> >>> November sweep after four episodes.
> >>>
> >>> It is not clear if Fox will air the remaining episodes starting Dec.
> >>> 4 as planned.
> >>>
> >>> "Dollhouse" stars Eliza Dushku as a DNA-altered woman who gets
> >>> implanted false memories for various missions and tasks.
> >> ---
> >> HUH? DNA altered? I like to know who didn't read the show bible.
> >>
> >> This is dumb absolutely dumb!! Couldn't they wait until they saw the
> >> ratings with Summer Glau on the show? Yes I know the ratings were bad
> >> generally, but they brought Summer Glau on board to pull in some of
> >> her fans. Why couldn't they wait? Despite being on for a season and a
> >> half it is premature to pull the plug in that light.
> >>
> >> God, who will ever work for Fox to have their show aired? This is the
> >> third series that has been shot out from under Summer Glau. I wonder
> >> what she is thinking.
> >>
> >> In its way this is dumber than NBC cancelling "Southland"
> >> Unfortunately while "Southland" has been wisely picked up by TNT, I
> >> don't see "Dollhouse" being picked up by another network, but one can
> >> hope.
> >
> > nothing...but I'll only be impressed
>
> I wouldn't put any faith in TNT, or FOX or Syfy.
---
Especially not FOX but TNT hasn't burned me or Syfy but I have had
cable only since 2004 LOL! I only know what FOX did to "Firefly"
>
> > if they actually produce more episodes themselves.
>
> That might actually be worse. Then TNT might try to exert influence and
> steer the show.
---
Depends on what that influence is.
>
> > BTW...I am a fan of much of their own original
> > programming and hope it continues...
>
> I avoid 'em like the plague, and have done so since late 1999. They're
> not sci-fi friendly and stuff on that channel gets pushed around too
> much for damned sports ( *basketball* , baseball, tennis, etc.).
---
Okay, but I just like "The Closer", the just cancelled "Raising the
Bar", I probably look at "Dark Blue" again if it is renewed. As for
sports it depends I am a Yankee fan but I am not above watching an
Atlanta Braves game if nothing else is on. I guess you don't like
sports.
>
> > including Southland, which should
> > be perfect for them.
>
> Southland isn't their original programming unless they start having new
> episodes produced.
---
Didn't mean to imply that it was but I hope they do produce new
episodes if the ratings warrant it .
>
> > If only the SyFy network were actually a REAL sci-fi network,
>
> LOL , Syfy, a real network. LOL
---
It produced some notable shows. "Battlestar Galactica" for one (the
new one of course), one of my favorite shows of all time. And despite
the panning by both fans and critics I don't find "Stargate:
Universe" so bad. It isn't must see TV and if I miss an episode I am
not upset but it is okay. Ironically-and I don't know quite why-I
wasn't interested in the Stargate Franchise. I saw the original
movie, but only have seen a handful of "Stargate SG-1" episodes but
not one "Stargate: Atlantis" episode. Never interested me. For some
reason SGU has me tuning in. Maybe because of its remote "Battlestar
Galactica" similarity of a group of humans trying to get to Earth and
the show's dark outlook-and I like the beautiful Ming Na. :-) I
wonder what will happen to that Giaus Baltar like selfish scientist
Nicholas Rush now that Colonel Young beat his ass and left him on
that planet with that abandoned alien spaceship? I can guess
the obvious though.
>
> > they
> > could do worse than pickup shows like Dollhouse and TSCC...but I
> > suppose that's too much to hope for. :(
>
> It is. Probably costs *way* too much for them.
---
Unfortunately. Still looking forward to "Caprica" though.
Mac Breck
Heh, heh, heh.
Cancelled Favorites:
================
(Network, years, latest 1st run airdate)
----------------------------------------
The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. (FOX, 1993-1994), May 1994, 27
episodes.
Strange Luck (FOX, 1995-1996) February 1996, 17 episodes.
**Brimstone (FOX, 1998-1999) February 1999, 13 episodes.
**Crusade (TNT, 1999) September 1999, 13 episodes.
The Ellen Show (CBS, 2001-2002) January 2002, 18 episodes, 5 unaired.
**The Tick (FOX, 2001-2002) January 2002, 9 episodes, 1 unaired.
Special Unit 2 (UPN, 2001-2002) February 2002, 19 episodes.
*The Chronicle (SCI-FI, 2001-2002) March 2002, 22 episodes.
Titus (FOX, 2000-2002), August 2002, 54 episodes.
Firefly (FOX, 2002) December 2002, 15 episodes, 3 unaired.
Farscape (SCI-FI, 1999-2003) March 2003, 88 episodes and 1 TV movie.
John Doe (FOX, 2002-2003) April 2003, 21 episodes.
The Agency (CBS, 2001-2003) May 2003, 44 episodes.
**Keen Eddie (FOX, 2003) July 2003, 13 episodes, 6 unaired by FOX.
Tremors - The Series (SCI-FI, 2003) August 2003, 13 episodes.
Peacemakers (USA, 2003) October 2003, 10 episodes.
Boomtown (NBC, 2002-2003) October 2003, 24 episodes (S1: 18, S2: 6)
** and ***Wonderfalls (FOX, 2004) April 2004, 13 episodes, 9 unaired by
FOX.
Threshold (CBS, 2005) November 2005, 13 episodes, 4 unaired
The Class (CBS, 2006-2007) March 2007, 19 episodes. People's Choice
Award Winner.
The Dresden Files (SCI-FI, 2007) April 2007, 12 episodes
Moonlight (CBS, 2007-2008), May 2008, 16 episodes. People's Choice
Award Winner.
Back to You (FOX, 2007-2008), May 2008, 17 episodes, 3 unaired. Watched
via Netflix DVDs . Started out rough, but they were starting to get
good. Especially liked the "furries" episode.
* Guilty pleasure.
**Absolute Favorites. "Brimstone" was one of the best shows I've ever
seen. The acting, the writing and the visual style all were right on
the money. "Crusade" was a spinoff of "Babylon 5" (my favorite TV show
of all time), and it could have been right up there with "Babylon 5" if
TNT hadn't meddled and screwed it over. Let's just say that if TNT'd
had "Babylon 5" from the beginning, we wouldn't have 110 episodes of it
right now. They'd have killed it, probably within 13 episodes, just
like they did with "Crusade." Since Sept. 1, 1999, when "Crusade" went
down, I have watched only three things on TNT, Patrick Stewart's "A
Christmas Carol" (1999), "Crossfire Trail" (2001) and "Salem's Lot"
(2004).
*** That was the last straw for me with regards to starting to watch any
new (i.e. Freshman season) show on FOX. Never again.
>>> if they actually produce more episodes themselves.
>>
>> That might actually be worse. Then TNT might try to exert influence
>> and steer the show.
> ---
> Depends on what that influence is.
Well, as long as you're talking about "Southland," that show's more
their speed (a cop drama). However if you're talking about "Dollhouse,"
a bunch of spiteful, inbred numbnuts from Atlanta decide they know how
to write science-fiction? No, the influence won't be good, ....unless
you want it turned into a T&A show.
>>> BTW...I am a fan of much of their own original
>>> programming and hope it continues...
>>
>> I avoid 'em like the plague, and have done so since late 1999.
>> They're not sci-fi friendly and stuff on that channel gets pushed
>> around too much for damned sports ( *basketball* , baseball, tennis,
>> etc.).
> ---
> Okay, but I just like "The Closer", the just cancelled "Raising the
> Bar", I probably look at "Dark Blue" again if it is renewed.
"Dollhouse" is sci-fi, and TNT is not sci-fi friendly. TNT's only
interest in Dollhouse would be the babes. However, like I said,
"Southland" would be more their speed.
> As for
> sports it depends I am a Yankee fan but I am not above watching an
> Atlanta Braves game if nothing else is on. I guess you don't like
> sports.
I used to like some sports (Pittsburgh Pirates baseball in the 1960s &
1970s, and Pittsburgh Steelers in the 1970s), but was never a sports
nut. Now, I don't follow *any* sports, and don't watch anything on
Saturdays or Sundays on any network that carries sports. If a show that
I like (e.g. "Shark"), gets moved to Saturday or Sunday, I drop it. I
refuse to chase down episodes of a show that's going to get randomly
pushed around by sports.
>>> including Southland, which should
>>> be perfect for them.
>>
>> Southland isn't their original programming unless they start having
>> new episodes produced.
> ---
> Didn't mean to imply that it was but I hope they do produce new
> episodes if the ratings warrant it .
>>
>>> If only the SyFy network were actually a REAL sci-fi network,
>>
>> LOL , Syfy, a real network. LOL
> ---
> It produced some notable shows. "Battlestar Galactica" for one (the
> new one of course), one of my favorite shows of all time.
Not mine. It was too much like a trashy daytime soap. Ever since
Bonnie Hammer took over at Sci-Fi (She's since moved on, higher up,
first over Sci-Fi and USA, and now over all NBC/Uni Cable Programming.),
they've become less and less space sci-fi friendly. They actually
didn't go with one show ("Polaris") because it was, "too
science-fictiony." They view space-sci-fi as geeky, and they want to
mainstream their image.
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/03/sci_fi_channel_aims_to_shed_ge.php
> And despite
> the panning by both fans and critics I don't find "Stargate:
> Universe" so bad.
I haven't seen any of it, but I've heard it described as "Big Brother in
Space." Not good. However, I liked Stargate SG-1 and Stargate
Atlantis. Currently, I don't get Syfy. Haven't had Sci-Fi since
December 2003 when they went to "Digital Cable" here, and I didn't
follow them. I finished watching Stargate SG-1 and watched all of
Stargate Atlantis via the DVDs.
> It isn't must see TV and if I miss an episode I am
> not upset but it is okay. Ironically-and I don't know quite why-I
> wasn't interested in the Stargate Franchise. I saw the original
> movie, but only have seen a handful of "Stargate SG-1" episodes but
> not one "Stargate: Atlantis" episode. Never interested me.
Watch 'em (SG-1 and SG-A) from the beginning. ;-)
> For some
> reason SGU has me tuning in. Maybe because of its remote "Battlestar
> Galactica" similarity of a group of humans trying to get to Earth and
> the show's dark outlook-and I like the beautiful Ming Na. :-) I
> wonder what will happen to that Giaus Baltar like selfish scientist
> Nicholas Rush now that Colonel Young beat his ass and left him on
> that planet with that abandoned alien spaceship? I can guess
> the obvious though.
>>
>>> they
>>> could do worse than pickup shows like Dollhouse and TSCC...but I
>>> suppose that's too much to hope for. :(
>>
>> It is. Probably costs *way* too much for them.
> ---
> Unfortunately. Still looking forward to "Caprica" though.
Ever watch "Babylon 5" ?
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> I like going where Whedon goes --- he has one thing Hollywood just has
> so little of, and that's seeing things in original and thought-
> provoking way. I'm just grateful he is around, and even when things
> are not perfect, they are still arresting and fun. So I await his
> next chapter.
Whedon is an excellent creative talent but, like other top notch
Hollywood talents, he is not a superman. Sure, some of his work was
excellent, but some was not.
As to Dollhouse, I didn't care for it from the start, and only stuck
with it for a while because of Wheedon and Dushku. But the show was
still most unsatisfactory and I gave up on it.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> That's the problem with quality. Quality is narrow focused. Most
> people either won't get it, think its boring or hate it. Simple crap
> is more universal. Few people really like it but few really hate it so
> it gets better ratings. In the old days that worked for the networks
> because the really isn't much choice. Now viewers are running from the
> networks and there responding by trying to make shows more universal
> by making them dumber and dumber.
I don't really agree with the above.
Quality is by no means "narrow focused". The "focus" of a TV--
whether it is to appeal to a specialty audience or broad audience has
nothing to do with quality.
Further, there are many different aspects to a show that make it
"quality" or not. Some of that is subjective.
It's also not accurate to say viewers are 'running' from the
networks. There are simply far more choices on the channel dial. It
doesn't mean the other choices are better "quality". Also, remember
that some of the other choices are essentially network shows, too
since the big networks own several of the major cable channels.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> They'v made them dumber and dumber for decades.
Not true.
People say that about television because they only remember the
classics from decades ago, and forget the rest of the schedule.
My local PBS station sometimes runs very old lesser known TV
productions from many years ago. From strictly an historical
viewpoint they're interesting, but they're quite lame in terms of
entertainment value.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> We lost the excellent Sarah Conner Chronicles so this crap show could have
> only one more season? Boo.
Sarah Connor was not excellent. It had a contrived convoluted story
line and was boring. It's only redeeming feature was Cameron.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> God, who will ever work for Fox to have their show aired? This is the
> third series that has been shot out from under Summer Glau. I wonder
> what she is thinking.
That she's an excellent actress who is actually working and has a
future ahead of her?
One of the best TV actresses and best TV producers collaborated on a
show. High hopes for it. It turned out to be a disaster and was
quickly cancelled. The point is even the best have cancellations.
Top notch actors all have a few tanker movies on their resumes. Part
of the job. (and not much different than the rest of us, actually.)
Pete B
buffh...@my-deja.com says...
> Unfortunately. Still looking forward to "Caprica" though.
Its a lot like Stargate Universe - only boring.
Rob Jensen
I disagree, so do a lot of fans, who are, frankly, furious that the
show is centering on a credibilty-stretching (even for House)
"relationship" between House and Cuddy. It's now a weak, broken show
*because* it's focusing *far* too much on irrelevancies and dishonest
storytelling. And by dishonest, I don't mean the unreliable-narrator
aspect of last season's finale, I mean the dishonesty of the
showrunners regarding how much worse and worse the show has gotten the
more and more it has focused on House *to the detriment of the rest of
the ensemble.* To the point that they're distorting the personalities
of multiple other members of the ensemble -- not just Cameron, but
also Cuddy and the neutered Foreman into ciphers.
-- Rob
Adam H. Kerman
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Rob Jensen <Shut...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:49:09 +0100, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>>>>Shut...@aol.com says...
>>>>>Such as Jennifer Morrison being paid for, well, every episode of
>>>>>House that she's not in this season, due to a guaranteed minimum in
>>>>>her contract *because she's a lead on House.*
>>>>A new and exciting definition of "lead"
>>>All of the First Generation of House's Kids were leads on the show
>>>*because they were in the opening credits.* And were, like, central
>>>characters. Just because the assholes that run the show (into the
>>>ground) sidelined her without any justifiable reason doesn't mean that
>>>she stops getting paid via the terms of her contract. (Bravo to her
>>>agent, BTW.)
>>Rob, you're not going to get anyone else to agree with that definition of
>>"leading actor". No, she is a supporting actor and always has been. The
>>terms of her contract and the stupidity of her producers are irrelevant.
>>"House M.D." ain't an ensemble show, you might have noticed.
>I disagree, so do a lot of fans, who are, frankly, furious that the
>show is centering on a credibilty-stretching (even for House)
>"relationship" between House and Cuddy.
That poisonous relationship has been there since the first season. The
backstory was revealed in "Three Patients". Cuddy's guilt over manipulating
the legalities of House's medical care against his express wishes has been
the universal explanation for why she's let him get away with everything
for all this time. Why do viewers think the show is something it's not?
>It's now a weak, broken show *because* it's focusing *far* too much on
>irrelevancies and dishonest storytelling.
It's always been like this.
>And by dishonest, I don't mean the unreliable-narrator aspect of last
>season's finale, I mean the dishonesty of the showrunners regarding
>how much worse and worse the show has gotten the more and more it has
>focused on House *to the detriment of the rest of the ensemble.* To
>the point that they're distorting the personalities of multiple other
>members of the ensemble -- not just Cameron, but also Cuddy and the
>neutered Foreman into ciphers.
Foreman was never a good character. You're remembering things about the
show that never existed.
record hunter
> Foreman was never a good character. You're remembering things about the
> show that never existed.
I would have preferred the real Eric Foreman, the one from THAT '70S
SHOW.