Turner Classic Movies has their movies copy protected -- Arrggghhhh!
Keith
For seven and one-half months now, I have been able to record my favorite
TCM movies onto my AT&T U-Verse DVR and then onto a DVD. Now, TCM has
started putting a copy-protection onto their movies. Darn it, while I
will still be able to record them onto my DVR; I won't be able to save
them permanently onto DVD. I guess I will have to wait for TCM to stop
this practice in order to save my DVR-recorded movies permanently. :-(
I have contacted both TCM and AT&T about this. AT&T denies having
anything to do with this and TCM hasn't answered me back yet. I sure
hope they change their minds soon.
Keith
Ubiquitous
wrote:
>Darn it, while I will still be able to record them onto my DVR; I won't be
>able to save them permanently onto DVD. I guess I will have to wait for TCM
>to stop this practice in order to save my DVR-recorded movies permanently.
Or you find someone who knows how to bypass it.
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Anim8rFSK
Keith <keit...@nowhere.net> wrote:
COX does it on entire packages; I can't burn anything I pay extra for,
like the entire Encore line-up, to DVD. I'm told cheaper DVD recorders
don't care about it, but Sony (what I have) do.
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New & Improved WQ
There are DVD rippers that strip away the copy protection. Try to
find a free one at download.com or a shareware version that you can at
least try out for a while.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> TCM movies onto my AT&T U-Verse DVR and then onto a DVD. Now, TCM has
> started putting a copy-protection onto their movies. Darn it, while I
> will still be able to record them onto my DVR; I won't be able to save
> them permanently onto DVD. I guess I will have to wait for TCM to stop
> this practice in order to save my DVR-recorded movies permanently. :-(
Just yesterday, I had no trouble recording a TCM movie to a tape and
playing it back.
"Dark Passage" was pretty good. But I didn't recognize Agnes
Moorehead ("Samantha's mother) in it.
Hal E
They can't copy-protect VHS, but they can if you try DVD-R.
Keith
That's what I have been told as well. What types or age of DVD
recorder should I buy?
Keith
Film Buff
I have an LG recorder and use DVD+RW.
After recording, I take the +RW to the computer and run it thru a software program and create a
DVD-R of the film minus the RW menu
Have never had any problems doing this
Keith
Which LG DVD recorder do you use? That is, what is it's age and model
number? Where did you get it? Thank you.
Keith Lee
Anim8rFSK
Keith <keit...@nowhere.net> wrote:
"not Sony"
beyond that, I don't know, sorry
Patty Winter
In article <ANIM8Rfsk-173F7...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>In article <hhdnau$qo6$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Keith <keit...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>> What types or age of DVD
>> recorder should I buy?
>
Wow, I love my Sony HDD/DVD recorder.
Patty
Film Buff
the LG Model LGXBR446 DVD Player-Recorder/VCR Combo which I hacked to make region-free
Got it at Best Buy 2 years ago
before you get a new recorder, My suggestion for you is try recording from your DVR to a DVD+RW or DVD-RW disc and sees
if that works for you
Keith
I just tried it with a DVD+RW on my Philips 3505/37 DVD recorder/player
and the same error message came up-- E26 cannot record due to copy
protection. :-(
Keith Lee
Patty Winter
In article <hhe7hr$c1k$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Works okay on my Sony HDD/DVD recorder, picking up TCM from DirecTV.
Patty
Keith
Patty:
It must be AT&T U-verse rather than TCM.
Keith Lee
Patty Winter
In article <hheb37$fqb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Keith <keit...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:19:21 +0000, Patty Winter wrote:
>
>> Works okay on my Sony HDD/DVD recorder, picking up TCM from DirecTV.
>
Or DirecTV isn't passing along the Macrovision signal from TCM.
Are you able to record other U-Verse channels?
Patty
Keith
Hi Patty:
Yes, some of which I wasn't able to record before -- Fox News but I
didn't need to record from there. All I did was movie the DVR and my DVD
recorder in order to clean around them. I checked and re-checked all the
wires behind there; so, nothing is loose there. Oh well..
Keith Lee
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> > Just yesterday, I had no trouble recording a TCM movie to a tape and
> > playing it back.
> They can't copy-protect VHS, but they can if you try DVD-R.
Sounds like a good idea then to keep the VHS and not get a DVD-R.
Taylor
Maybe output your STB to the input of a VCR and record it on to a
T-120 VHS tape on SP speed. When done recording, then output the VCR
to the input of your STB.
I don't know if it would work. Just an idea.
Michael Black
Only if you want to spend a lot of money, and run out of space.
Since I started using the DVD recorder I found in a recycling bin
in early July, I've really racked up the recordings, more than I did
with VHS tapes over a five or six year period.
VHS tapes are expensive, the best price, when on sale, is about $1.25
in the stores, and the regular price is $1.99. So it's easy to run out of
blanks, which then causes one to decide what previously recorded material
gets sacrificed when something better comes along.
Then there's the issue of space. VHS tapes take up a lot of space, and it
keeps growing the more your record.
About 3 years ago, I bought a stack of 100 blank DVDs for $30, I used a
few to play with after I got a DVDRW drive for my computer, then the stack
sat around. I've gone through the rest in recent months, not worrying
about whether a given movie was worth recording, since the cost per
blank was really low. I haven't even filled up a shoebox with the
accumulated recordings. I made some bad recordings, didn't worry about
having wasted the blank, and when the movie came on again, got it right
the second time. I got another stack of 100 blank DVDs a few weeks ago
for $20, so cost again is no factor, and it will be some time before I
have to worry about restocking.
Most of what I've recorded is late night movies, saving me from staying
up late. Previously, I'd record something only if I really wanted to keep
it, or at most would record, then feel obligated to watch the recording
immediately in order to free up the VHS tape.
With the DVD recorder, I've just recorded. If I really don't want to keep
a movie, I can scrap it without losing more than a quarter. I haven't
even watched most of the movies, saving them for when I'm in the mood.
I've recorded some tv shows, when I haven't been in, and haven't worried
that I may not watch it more than once. On the other hand, I've got some
things that are kind of nice to have, like the first episodes of this
fall's "Survivor" and "The Amazing Race", which can be nice to have and
look at later. I'd invariably reuse the tapes when I'd done that in
the past.
No, DVD recorders beat out VHS. It's not unlike the reasons that CDs
were better than records and cassettes for music, or even why prerecorded
DVDs beat out prerecorded VHS tapes.
Michael
Anim8rFSK
Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
I like mine too, but it's bad for stuff that's copy protected, which is
what he was asking about.
Anim8rFSK
Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
You actually burned a DVD?
Patty Winter
In article <ANIM8Rfsk-26029...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>In article <4b3a949c$0$1586$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
[extraneous quotage removed]
>> Wow, I love my Sony HDD/DVD recorder.
>
>I like mine too, but it's bad for stuff that's copy protected, which is
>what he was asking about.
I guess my later posting hasn't made it to your server yet; I tried
TCM and it worked fine.
Patty
Keith
Sorry about that. Yes, I gather that it must be AT&T U-verse and not
JUST TCM. I might change cable providers. Hmm...
Keith
Anim8rFSK
Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-26029...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> >In article <4b3a949c$0$1586$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> > Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
> [extraneous quotage removed]
>
> >> Wow, I love my Sony HDD/DVD recorder.
> >
> >I like mine too, but it's bad for stuff that's copy protected, which is
> >what he was asking about.
>
> I guess my later posting hasn't made it to your server yet; I tried
> TCM and it worked fine.
>
>
> Patty
Saw it, and I replied with the question, did you actually burn a DVD, or
just record to the hard drive?
Keith
I first burn to a DVR then to my DVD Recorder. I tried burning
directly to my DVD Recorder in real time; but, I get the same error.
Keith
Adam H. Kerman
>hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>"Dark Passage" was pretty good. But I didn't recognize Agnes
>>Moorehead ("Samantha's mother) in it.
>Good god man, how could you not recognize a woman with such a distinctive
>face as Agnes Moorehead, even if she was much younger than on Bewitched.
Not to mention her voice.
Adam H. Kerman
What was the dirty trick they used to do to distort output of DVD when played
through a VCR?
Film Buff
Make sure that the output from the DVR goes to the input of the recorder ands the output of the recorder goed to the TV
THen put in a blank DVD+RW start the DVR at the program you want and let it play a few seconds then start the recorder
If this does not work, i do not know what else to try
I have never had aproblem recording fronm TCM or FOX
Are you trying to record from the DVR or directly into the recorder?
Keith
Yes, I have that connection between my DVR to DVD Recorder; yet,
recording to my DVD+RW didn't work.
Again, I have tried both recording to my DVR then to my DVD Recorder;
and then, from cable live to my DVD Recorder. Again, just that error page
on the screen and nothing recorded. :-(
Oh well, I will wait and see if either TCM or AT&T U-verse change their
minds.
Keith
Film Buff
Anim8rFSK
MacroVision. And it screws up the VHS, and they can certainly be
messing that up.
Anim8rFSK
<053b05fe-7b8e-4394...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Keith <keithd...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, that's what happens to me with anything from Encore, or the entire
tier it's on I pay extra to. :(
Adam H. Kerman
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>What was the dirty trick they used to do to distort output of DVD when played
>>through a VCR?
>MacroVision. And it screws up the VHS, and they can certainly be
>messing that up.
Oh yeah. I remember when I discovered its effects. Didn't have enough
connections on the back of a tv, so I plugged in the DVD recorder to the
VCR to the tv, watched a DVD, then couldn't understand why the picture
looked awful.
Film Buff
Here is another suggestion =
Make sure that the output from the DVR goes to the input of the recorder ands the output of the recorder goed to the TV
THen put in a blank DVD+RW start the DVR at the program you want and let it play a few seconds then start the recorder
If this does not work, i do not know what else to try
I have never had aproblem recording fronm TCM or FOX
Are you trying to record from the DVR or directly into the recorder?
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:55:12 +0000 (UTC), Keith <keit...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>All:
>For seven and one-half months now, I have been able to record my favorite
>TCM movies onto my AT&T U-Verse DVR and then onto a DVD. Now, TCM has
>started putting a copy-protection onto their movies. Darn it, while I
>will still be able to record them onto my DVR; I won't be able to save
>them permanently onto DVD. I guess I will have to wait for TCM to stop
>this practice in order to save my DVR-recorded movies permanently. :-(
tomcervo
be your provider, not TCM.
(The movie was "Beat the Devil"--i wanted a copy to judge the legend.
Discovered that the reason I had a near fit of laughter when I saw it
years ago was that the apoplectic captain of the Nyanga was played by
the immortal Saro Ursi, whose hour and a half of glory was "Seduced
and Abandoned".)
Keith
Yes, the output of the DVR goes to the TV AND DVD Recorder just as the
output of the DVD Recorder goes to the TV as well. Nothing has changed
there.
I will try the DVD+RW theory of yours though. Thank you. :-)
Keith
Film Buff
i recorder 4 movies since thurs. without a problem and i have ATT u-verse also
wish i had uou correct e-mail address so we could talk further
happy new year
Keith
Yes, but, they are from $90 to $170. I will have to think before
I spend that type of money.
Keith
SFTV_troy
>
> will still be able to record them onto my DVR; I won't be able
> to save them permanently onto DVD.
So you are *stealing* movies to DVD-R instead of buying them legal,
studo-produced DVD-ROMs, and you think you have ANY kind of moral
ground to stand on? Sorry I disagree.
I might have agreed with you if you were prevented from time-shifting
movies to your recorder, but you've baldly admitted you are stealing
the movies to add them to your personal DVD library. Stop being a
lazy ass, and if you want a DVD of a movie you saw on Turner Classic,
then go BUY the damn thing and support the actors, writers, and other
people who produced those films, and also rely on those funds to feed
themselves and their families.
Oh and yes I know that either you or somebody else will get angry
about what I posted, but so too do thieves when they get caught shop-
lifting at Walmart.
Just because you're angry doesn't make stealing okay.
Extravagan
> On Dec 29 2009, 8:55 am, Keith <keithd...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>> will still be able to record them onto my DVR; I won't be able
>> to save them permanently onto DVD.
>
> So you are *stealing* movies
Recording what's on your TV is not "stealing" by any stretch.
Anim8rFSK
<118ccd0e-4dcd-4a11...@r10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
SFTV_troy <SFTV...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's hard to count how many ways this is wrong. All of them, I guess.
You can't make any compelling case that archiving stuff off your DVR is
stealing, period. He's not giving them to a friend, or selling them, or
distributing them in any way that we know of; he's backing up something
he's legally allowed, and paid for, to a different medium.
Also, a lot of the stuff TCM shows, they don't sell. If they sold, for
instance, AROUND THE WORLD UNDER THE SEA I'd buy it in a heartbeat. But
they don't.
Keith
Thank you. I was going to let his trolling die out; but, I truly
appreciate your supporting all of us who LEGALLY want to record TCM
movies into our collections. :-)
Keith
SFTV_troy
I agree 100%, but he admitted that he's burning the recording to DVD-R
for permanent storage in his personal library. Not even "fair use"
stretches that far.
Adam H. Kerman
We're not talking about "fair use", which never covered recording for home
use, but time shifting. The Betamax decision allows time shifting for home
use, no different than if it were stored on tape. As far as I know, later
copyright acts haven't changed it.
SFTV_troy
> In article
> <118ccd0e-4dcd-4a11-b16c-44fbede3f...@r10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> SFTV_troy <SFTV_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 29 2009, 8:55 am, Keith <keithd...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
> > > will still be able to record them onto my DVR; I won't be able
> > > to save them permanently onto DVD.
>
> > studo-produced DVD-ROMs, and you think you have ANY kind of moral
> > ground to stand on? Sorry I disagree.
> > I might have agreed with you if you were prevented from time-shifting
> > movies to your recorder, but you've baldly admitted you are stealing
> > the movies to add them to your personal DVD library.
>
>
> You can't make any compelling case that archiving stuff off your DVR is
> stealing, period. He's not giving them to a friend, or selling them, or
I thought I was on Anim's killfile. Oh well. (shrug) As for the
case against keeping a permanent copy, the MPAA says that creating a
permanent copy of a movie from television is *just as wrong* as
creating a copy from a theater house using a camcorder.
And even if you don't buy those two arguments, TCM still has the right
to scramble the signal in order to block your burning of DVD-Rs. The
Digital Millenium Copyright Act forbids the defeating of copy
protection. (i.e. You can't copy your DVR to your DVD-R if it's been
protected by TCM.)
> Also, a lot of the stuff TCM shows, they don't sell.
True. I have copies of "Outer Limits" on my c: drive because MGM
still hasn't bothered to release seasons 2-7. But once they do, I'll
buy the legal DVDs or Blurays. Just as I used to have Earth: Final
Conflict but now that I can get it on DVD, I erased all those files.
And I suspect a LOT of the stuff "Keith" has in his DVD-R library is
sitting in Walmart or amazon.com just waiting to be purchased. You
are a content creator Anim8r. YOU of all people should be in favor of
Keith buying legal DVDs, so you can earn money and be compensated for
your labor, rather than encourage his taking of your work or other
people's work.
shawn
<SFTV...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 2, 11:41�pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <118ccd0e-4dcd-4a11-b16c-44fbede3f...@r10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>> �SFTV_troy <SFTV_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Dec 29 2009, 8:55 am, Keith <keithd...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > will still be able to record them onto my DVR; I won't be able
>> > > to save them permanently onto DVD.
>>
>> > So you are *stealing* movies to DVD-R instead of buying the legal,
>> > studo-produced DVD-ROMs, and you think you have ANY kind of moral
>> > ground to stand on? �Sorry I disagree.
>> > I might have agreed with you if you were prevented from time-shifting
>> > movies to your recorder, but you've baldly admitted you are stealing
>> > the movies to add them to your personal DVD library. �
>>
>>
>> It's hard to count how many ways this is wrong. �All of them, I guess.
>> You can't make any compelling case that archiving stuff off your DVR is
>> stealing, period. He's not giving them to a friend, or selling them, or
>
>
>I thought I was on Anim's killfile. Oh well. (shrug) As for the
>case against keeping a permanent copy, the MPAA says that creating a
>permanent copy of a movie from television is *just as wrong* as
>creating a copy from a theater house using a camcorder.
Of course the MPAA says that. They also say you can't record the show
when it's broadcast even though the Supreme Court said it was okay. In
addition they want you to pay if you were to take the copy from one
format to another even if you were to destroy the original. The MPAA
is all about maximizing profits without regard to what's legal or what
consumers might want.
>And even if you don't buy those two arguments, TCM still has the right
>to scramble the signal in order to block your burning of DVD-Rs. The
>Digital Millenium Copyright Act forbids the defeating of copy
>protection. (i.e. You can't copy your DVR to your DVD-R if it's been
>protected by TCM.)
They do but they probably haven't. Most of the time when this happens
it's something going screwy at the cable company that sets the bit.
Anim8rFSK
<6b3b1890-579e-495f...@u37g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
SFTV_troy <SFTV...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 10:56�pm, Extravagan <extrava...@frogsoup.xelon.com> wrote:
> > SFTV troy wrote:
> > > On Dec 29 2009, 8:55 am, Keith <keithd...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> will still be able to record them onto my DVR; I won't be able
> > >> to save them permanently onto DVD.
> >
> > > So you are *stealing* movies
> >
> > Recording what's on your TV is not "stealing" by any stretch.
>
>
> I agree 100%, but he admitted that he's burning the recording to DVD-R
> for permanent storage in his personal library. Not even "fair use"
> stretches that far.
Yes, it does. Back up for your own storage is absolutely allowed under
any circumstance.
Anim8rFSK
<5ec0b1b9-0134-46f1...@x15g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
SFTV_troy <SFTV...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 11:41�ｿｽpm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <118ccd0e-4dcd-4a11-b16c-44fbede3f...@r10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > �ｿｽSFTV troy <SFTV t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 29 2009, 8:55 am, Keith <keithd...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > will still be able to record them onto my DVR; I won't be able
> > > > to save them permanently onto DVD.
> >
> > > So you are *stealing* movies to DVD-R instead of buying the legal,
> > > studo-produced DVD-ROMs, and you think you have ANY kind of moral
> > > ground to stand on? �ｿｽSorry I disagree.
> > > I might have agreed with you if you were prevented from time-shifting
> > > movies to your recorder, but you've baldly admitted you are stealing
> > > the movies to add them to your personal DVD library. �ｿｽ
> >
> >
> > It's hard to count how many ways this is wrong. �ｿｽAll of them, I guess.
> > You can't make any compelling case that archiving stuff off your DVR is
> > stealing, period. He's not giving them to a friend, or selling them, or
>
>
> I thought I was on Anim's killfile. Oh well. (shrug) As for the
I did a new years amnesty and am starting over.
> case against keeping a permanent copy, the MPAA says that creating a
> permanent copy of a movie from television is *just as wrong* as
> creating a copy from a theater house using a camcorder.
Who gives a fuck what the MPAA says? If anybody are criminals, it's
Valenti's perverse legacy. What the MPAA says isn't law.
>
> And even if you don't buy those two arguments, TCM still has the right
> to scramble the signal in order to block your burning of DVD-Rs.
Yes, they do.
The
> Digital Millenium Copyright Act forbids the defeating of copy
> protection. (i.e. You can't copy your DVR to your DVD-R if it's been
> protected by TCM.)
>
>
>
> > Also, a lot of the stuff TCM shows, they don't sell. �ｿｽ
>
> True. I have copies of "Outer Limits" on my c: drive because MGM
> still hasn't bothered to release seasons 2-7. But once they do, I'll
> buy the legal DVDs or Blurays. Just as I used to have Earth: Final
> Conflict but now that I can get it on DVD, I erased all those files.
>
> And I suspect a LOT of the stuff "Keith" has in his DVD-R library is
> sitting in Walmart or amazon.com just waiting to be purchased. You
> are a content creator Anim8r. YOU of all people should be in favor of
> Keith buying legal DVDs, so you can earn money and be compensated for
> your labor, rather than encourage his taking of your work or other
> people's work.
I'm absolutely in favor of him buying legal DVDs, but making back-ups
for your own use is completely legal and acceptable.
Extravagan
That's not "stealing". It's the same as taping off your television, etc.
It's not only not stealing, it's not even copyright infringement.
Distributing those DVD-Rs would be copyright infringement, but still
would not be stealing.
Professor Bubba
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> Who gives a fuck what the MPAA says?
Truer words were never posted.
Professor Bubba
> And I suspect a LOT of the stuff "Keith" has in his DVD-R library is
> sitting in Walmart or amazon.com just waiting to be purchased. You
> are a content creator Anim8r. YOU of all people should be in favor of
> Keith buying legal DVDs, so you can earn money and be compensated for
> your labor, rather than encourage his taking of your work or other
> people's work.
You are suffering from several delusions, one of which is that creative
people are participating in any meaningful way in profits from DVDs.
I hold several copyrights, and I don't kid myself that piracy -- which
is NOT what we're talking about here -- has affected my financial
standing in any meaningful way. It costs more to fight it than to
ignore it, especially when you consider that most people who copy your
stuff wouldn't have bought it in the first place. Hell, most of them
don't even look at it; they just want to possess it because they're
collectors or completists. You also earn all sorts of ill will that
you really don't need or want. I'd rather spend my time fighting the
IRS. That, at least, might gain me something.
Film Buff
I have a right to make a recording for my self as i have done in the past
and if they release a DVD for the movie i have recorder then i will buy it and erase my recorded one
BUT I am not paying $20.00 for a DVD-R (You know who you are WB) I would rather record it myself
and have my own DVD-R
I will buy a filter from another country that will bypass all this so called copy protection
I have a right to record and watch at a later date and I am paying the cable co. enough money to do just that!
Anim8rFSK
Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
God. I have to start fighting the IRS again *tomorrow*
They decided Mom owed all her 2007 taxes over again. We'd settled, I'd
paid (she'd made one small mistake), and THE NEXT FREAKING DAY got
paperwork that they'd recalculated and want additional monies.
Professor Bubba
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
That sort of thing happened with my wife's elderly aunt last year.
(She didn't owe them money. They made an error vetting her 1040.) My
wife and I were trying to handle it and were getting nowhere, and then
her aunt died. That did it. The IRS just gave up and said we were
square. Apparently they're into blood sacrifice over there.
Extravagan
Can't really say I'm all that surprised.
Maybe they need a bailout too?
Anim8rFSK
Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
Mom made a small mistake on one section of interest income; one report
from one bank that didn't match the figures the bank sent in. The IRS
decided she needed to pay all her correct taxes again as well, including
stuff like the tax on her Social Security, all of which jibed. The
penalties alone on the parts that had been paid correctly were more than
the actual error and any possible penalty and interest should have been.
But there's just no way in hell they should be allowed to recompute
after we've agreed and paid.
Eventually we'll get down to where the amount they want is less than the
accountant fees it will take to fight it, and we'll pay the rat bastards
their blood money.
SFTV_troy
> In article <030120102321265708%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > In article <030120101603016029%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> > > Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
Remember. We The People are the BOSS and the government functionaries
are merely the employees. Do not cower to them, because you are the
master and they are the servants.
I would call the IRS, explain to them that you already fixed the
mistake by paying the back taxes owed from 2007, plus fines, and you
will NOT be paying any more. Then I'd hang-up before your servant has
a chance to say anything.
Maintain power.
Anim8rFSK
<e5eee795-6282-44b4...@o35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
SFTV_troy <SFTV...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 11:35�am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > In article <030120102321265708%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> > �Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <ANIM8Rfsk-E5D739.17542003012...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> > > Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <030120101603016029%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> > > > �Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <5ec0b1b9-0134-46f1-897c-72ab259b2...@x15g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
Yeah. There's a good way to end up in jail.
Ever call the IRS? They won't ALLOW you to talk to the last person you
talked to, or ask for somebody. You get a random new person and start
from scratch. Every single time.
Extravagan
> Ever call the IRS? They won't ALLOW you to talk to the last person you
> talked to, or ask for somebody. You get a random new person and start
> from scratch. Every single time.
Sounds just like my ISP's tech support.
SFTV_troy
> SFTV_troy <SFTV_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Remember. We The People are the BOSS and the government functionaries
> > are merely the employees. Do not cower to them, because you are the
> > master and they are the servants.
>
> > I would call the IRS, explain to them that you already fixed the
> > mistake by paying the back taxes owed from 2007, plus fines, and you
> > will NOT be paying any more. Then I'd hang-up before your servant has
> > a chance to say anything. Maintain power.
>
> Yeah. There's a good way to end up in jail.
> Ever call the IRS? They won't ALLOW you to talk to the last person you
> talked to, or ask for somebody. You get a random new person and start
> from scratch. Every single time.
So they are disorganized. That makes it even easier to fuck with
them. You see, the IRS' power mostly comes from intimidation. They
don't have any real power unless you let them take it FROM you. So
don't allow that.
Of course the IRS could suck money direct from your paychecks (or your
mom's checks) but first they must prove their case in a court of law,
and based upon what you told me, they have NO case. So nothing to
fear. I would *hold onto my power* and not allow the IRS to
intimidate me. I'd call and say "I already paid the back taxes and
penalties. Everything is square and your paperwork will show that if
you bother to read it. Don't call me again or I'll be calling my
congressman and arranging to have you fired from you post, you
worthless government lackey," and hang up. *I* would intimidate them.
We the People are the boss. Remember that.
THE PEOPLE (from which all power derives)
|
State Constitution
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State Government (bound by the constitution)
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U.S. constitution
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united states
|
irs (way down here on the bottom)
Anim8rFSK
<e1ae438c-cc6c-42c9...@r10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
SFTV_troy <SFTV...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 7:50�pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > �SFTV troy <SFTV t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Remember. �We The People are the BOSS and the government functionaries
> > > are merely the employees. �Do not cower to them, because you are the
> > > master and they are the servants.
> >
> > > I would call the IRS, explain to them that you already fixed the
> > > mistake by paying the back taxes owed from 2007, plus fines, and you
> > > will NOT be paying any more. �Then I'd hang-up before your servant has
> > > a chance to say anything. Maintain power.
> >
> > Yeah. �There's a good way to end up in jail.
> > Ever call the IRS? �They won't ALLOW you to talk to the last person you
> > talked to, or ask for somebody. �You get a random new person and start
> > from scratch. �Every single time.
>
>
>
> So they are disorganized.
No. It's a policy.
That makes it even easier to fuck with
> them. You see, the IRS' power mostly comes from intimidation. They
> don't have any real power unless you let them take it FROM you. So
> don't allow that.
You're out of your mind, you know that? They put people in jail. All
the time. Remember Richard Hatch? Wesley Snipes?
>
> Of course the IRS could suck money direct from your paychecks (or your
> mom's checks) but first they must prove their case in a court of law,
> and based upon what you told me, they have NO case. So nothing to
> fear. I would *hold onto my power* and not allow the IRS to
> intimidate me. I'd call and say "I already paid the back taxes and
> penalties. Everything is square and your paperwork will show that if
> you bother to read it. Don't call me again or I'll be calling my
> congressman and arranging to have you fired from you post, you
> worthless government lackey," and hang up. *I* would intimidate them.
>
> We the People are the boss. Remember that.
>
> THE PEOPLE (from which all power derives)
> |
> State Constitution
> |
> State Government (bound by the constitution)
> |
> U.S. constitution
> |
> united states
> |
> irs (way down here on the bottom)
--
Professor Bubba
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
Yes, he's out of his mind. The IRS has no real power? The IRS can
take everything you have and anything you will ever have. Plus they
can throw you in jail. That's not power?
"Maintain power." Kooky.
Film Buff
We don't need the IRS - they need us for without us THEY HAVE NO JOB!!
Micky DuPree
: What was the dirty trick they used to do to distort output of DVD when
: played through a VCR?
Macrovision, but they've invented commercially available devices to
defeat Macrovision (sometimes sold as "digital stabilizers"). I haven't
yet heard of a device you can buy commercially that defeats the newer
version of copy protection on DVRs.
Does anyone know what happens when you try to do a simple disk copy of a
commercial DVD with Macrovision? Believe it or not, I've never tried
it. Do you end up with another DVD that has Macrovision on it?
-Micky
SFTV_troy
wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what happens when you try to do a simple disk copy of a
> commercial DVD with Macrovision? Believe it or not, I've never tried
> it. Do you end up with another DVD that has Macrovision on it?
I've tried recording DVD to VHS and the picture was clear but
frequently turned an annoying red. In a DVD-to-DVD recording it
probably flags the internal computer and stops the recording before it
happens.
So instead you just rip the DVD to a PC (or bittorrent it from
somebody else who already did that), and that strips the protection.
Anim8rFSK
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
Follow up: I did exactly that. Now they're demanding that I refile
Mom's taxes, recomputed to show that I owe them what they falsely
claimed did. Except they just pulled the number out of their ass; my
accountant can't even figure out where it came from. So they're trying
to force me to file a fraudulent tax return to correctly reflect their
mistake.
--
As Adam West as Bruce Wayne as Batman said in "Smack in the Middle"
the second half of the 1966 BATMAN series pilot when Jill St. John
as Molly as Robin as Molly fell into the Batmobile's atomic pile:
"What a terrible way to go-go"
Ubiquitous
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>> > Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
Online Tax Revolt:
http://www.onlinetaxrevolt.com/
The Online Tax Revolt is open to every American who believes taxes and
spending are out of control, harmful to our country and a threat to our
nation's future. Join other Americans as we march online from across the
country to Washington, DC and rally together on April 15!
The Fair Tax:
http://www.fairtax.org
--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.