11th Annual RATTY Awards: The Winners Are ...
Joshua Kreitzer
ABC's Lost took home top honors at the 11th Annual Ratty Awards
covering the 2004-2005 television season, winning 8 awards including
Best Series, Best SF Series, and Best New Series. ABC also led all
networks this year by winning 11 Rattys (including 2 for Desperate
Housewives and 1 for Alias).
Thanks to all of you who voted. (There were 63 ballots received this
year.) I will post a separate article about voting trends and possible
changes to the award categories later. Watch for the 12th Annual Ratty
Awards next year.
Winners tally:
The Best:
8: Lost
5: Gilmore Girls
4: Veronica Mars
3: Arrested Development
2: The Daily Show with Jon Stewart; Desperate Housewives; House
1: 24; Alias; The Amazing Race; CSI: Crime Scene Investigation; Ebert &
Roeper; Joan of Arcadia; Law & Order: Special Victims Unit; The Life
and Death of Peter Sellers; South Park; Star Trek: Enterprise.
The Worst:
2: The Simple Life.
Network tally:
The Best: ABC 11 * Fox 6 * UPN 5 * WB 5 * CBS 3 * Comedy Central 3 *
and with 1 each: HBO, NBC and syndication.
The Worst: Fox 2.
*** THE RESULTS ***
BEST SERIES
** winner ** Lost (ABC)
2. Arrested Development (Fox)
3. Veronica Mars (UPN)
4. 24 (Fox)
5. Desperate Housewives (ABC)
DRAMA SERIES
** winner ** Veronica Mars (UPN)
2. 24 (Fox)
3. Deadwood (HBO)
4. House (Fox)
5. The Shield (FX)
DRAMA LEAD ACTOR
** winner ** Hugh Laurie as Gregory House - House (Fox)
2. Ian McShane as Al Swearengen - Deadwood (HBO)
tie. Kiefer Sutherland as Jack Bauer - 24 (Fox)
4. James Spader as Alan Shore - Boston Legal (ABC)
5. Michael Chiklis as Vic Mackey - The Shield (FX)
DRAMA LEAD ACTRESS
** winner ** Kristen Bell as Veronica Mars - Veronica Mars (UPN)
2. Glenn Close as Monica Rawling - The Shield (FX)
3. Molly Parker as Alma Garret - Deadwood (HBO)
4. Christine Lahti as Grace McCallister - Jack & Bobby (WB)
5. Mariska Hargitay as Olivia Benson - Law & Order: Special Victims
Unit (NBC)
DRAMA SUPPORTING ACTOR
** winner ** Enrico Colantoni as Keith Mars - Veronica Mars (UPN)
2. Brad Dourif as Doc Cochran - Deadwood (HBO)
3. Tom Amandes as Harold Abbott - Everwood (WB)
4. William Sanderson as E.B. Farnum - Deadwood (HBO)
5. Walton Goggins as Shane Vendrell - The Shield (FX)
DRAMA SUPPORTING ACTRESS
** winner ** Shohreh Aghdashloo as Dina Araz - 24 (Fox)
2. Mary Lynn Rajskub as Chloe O'Brian - 24 (Fox)
3. Paula Malcomson as Trixie - Deadwood (HBO)
4. CCH Pounder as Claudette Wyms - The Shield (FX)
5. Emily VanCamp as Amy Abbott - Everwood (WB)
DRAMA GUEST ACTOR
** winner ** Martin Short as Sebastian Ballentine - Law & Order:
Special Victims Unit, "Pure" (NBC)
2. Dennis Haysbert as David Palmer - 24, recurring (Fox)
tie. Harry Hamlin as Aaron Echolls - Veronica Mars, recurring (UPN)
4. Tom Cavanagh as Jimmy McCallister - Jack & Bobby, recurring (WB)
5. James Earl Jones as Will Cleveland - Everwood, "The Tipping Point"
(WB)
DRAMA GUEST ACTRESS
** winner ** Sela Ward as Stacy Warner - House, recurring (Fox)
2. Tina Majorino as Mac - Veronica Mars, recurring (UPN)
3. Sarah Lancaster as Madison Kellner - Everwood, recurring (WB)
tie. Amanda Seyfried as Lilly Kane - Veronica Mars, recurring (UPN)
5. Aisha Tyler as Marianne Taylor - 24, recurring (Fox)
DRAMA WRITING
** winner ** Diane Ruggiero - Veronica Mars, "A Trip to the Dentist"
(UPN)
2. Rob Thomas - Veronica Mars, "Pilot" (UPN)
3. David Shore - House, "Three Stories" (Fox)
4. David Milch - Deadwood, "A Lie Agreed Upon, Part 1" (HBO)
5. John McNamara - Eyes, "Pilot" (ABC)
DRAMA DIRECTING
** winner ** Quentin Tarantino - CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, "Grave
Danger" (CBS)
2. Mark Piznarsky - Veronica Mars, "Pilot" (UPN)
3. Paris Barclay - House, "Three Stories" (Fox)
4. John Cassar - 24, "Day 4: 6:00 AM - 7:00 AM" (Fox)
5. Guy Ferland - The Shield, "Tar Baby" (FX)
COMEDY SERIES
** winner ** Arrested Development (Fox)
2. Desperate Housewives (ABC)
3. Gilmore Girls (WB)
4. Scrubs (NBC)
5. Everybody Loves Raymond (CBS)
COMEDY LEAD ACTOR
** winner ** Jason Bateman as Michael Bluth - Arrested Development
(Fox)
2. Zach Braff as J.D. Dorian - Scrubs (NBC)
3. Charlie Sheen as Charlie Harper - Two and a Half Men (CBS)
4. Will Arnett as GOB Bluth - Arrested Development (Fox)
tie. Ray Romano as Ray Barone - Everybody Loves Raymond (CBS)
COMEDY LEAD ACTRESS
** winner ** Lauren Graham as Lorelai Gilmore - Gilmore Girls (WB)
2. Marcia Cross as Bree Van De Kamp - Desperate Housewives (ABC)
3. Teri Hatcher as Susan Mayer - Desperate Housewives (ABC)
4. Alexis Bledel as Rory Gilmore - Gilmore Girls (WB)
5. Felicity Huffman as Lynette Scavo - Desperate Housewives (ABC)
COMEDY SUPPORTING ACTOR
** winner ** Scott Patterson as Luke Danes - Gilmore Girls (WB)
2. Michael Cera as George-Michael Bluth - Arrested Development (Fox)
tie. David Cross as Tobias Funke - Arrested Development (Fox)
tie. Brad Garrett as Robert Barone - Everybody Loves Raymond (CBS)
5. Tony Hale as Buster Bluth - Arrested Development (Fox)
COMEDY SUPPORTING ACTRESS
** winner ** Kelly Bishop as Emily Gilmore - Gilmore Girls (WB)
2. Jessica Walter as Lucille Bluth - Arrested Development (Fox)
3. Portia de Rossi as Lindsay Bluth Funke - Arrested Development (Fox)
4. Debra Jo Rupp as Kitty Forman - That '70s Show (Fox)
tie. Alia Shawkat as Maeby Funke - Arrested Development (Fox)
COMEDY GUEST ACTOR
** winner ** Henry Winkler as Barry Zuckerkorn - Arrested Development,
recurring (Fox)
2. Tom Cavanagh as Dan Dorian - Scrubs, recurring (NBC)
3. Ben Stiller as Tony Wonder - Arrested Development, recurring (Fox)
4. Fred Willard as Hank McDougall - Everybody Loves Raymond, recurring
(CBS)
5. Chris Elliott as Peter McDougall - Everybody Loves Raymond,
recurring (CBS)
COMEDY GUEST ACTRESS
** winner ** Sharon Lawrence as Maisy Gibbons - Desperate Housewives,
recurring (ABC)
2. Georgia Engel as Pat McDougall - Everybody Loves Raymond, recurring
(CBS)
3. Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Maggie Lizer - Arrested Development,
recurring (Fox)
4. Judy Greer as Kitty Sanchez - Arrested Development, recurring (Fox)
5. Julianna Margulies as Neena Broderick - Scrubs, recurring (NBC)
COMEDY WRITING
** winner ** Marc Cherry - Desperate Housewives, "Pilot" (ABC)
2. Mitchell Hurwitz & Chuck Martin - Arrested Development, "My Hand to
God" (Fox)
3. B.J. Novak - The Office, "Diversity Day" (NBC)
tie. Philip Rosenthal, Ray Romano, Tucker Cawley, Lew Schneider, Steve
Skrovan, Jeremy Stevens, Mike Royce, Aaron Shure, Tom Caltabiano &
Leslie Caveny - Everybody Loves Raymond, "Finale" (CBS)
5. John Levenstein - Arrested Development, "Good Grief" (Fox)
COMEDY DIRECTING
** winner ** Amy Sherman-Palladino - Gilmore Girls, "Wedding Bell
Blues" (WB)
2. Charles McDougall - Desperate Housewives, "Pilot" (ABC)
3. Adam Bernstein - Scrubs, "My Life in Four Cameras" (NBC)
4. Peter Lauer - Arrested Development, "Sad Sack" (Fox)
5. Gary Halvorson - Everybody Loves Raymond, "Finale" (CBS)
SF SERIES
** winner ** Lost (ABC)
2. Battlestar Galactica (Sci-Fi)
3. Alias (ABC)
4. The 4400 (USA)
tie. Star Trek: Enterprise (UPN)
SF LEAD ACTOR
** winner ** Matthew Fox as Jack - Lost (ABC)
2. Edward James Olmos as Cmdr. William Adama - Battlestar Galactica
(Sci-Fi)
3. Michael Vartan as Michel Vaughn - Alias (ABC)
4. Anthony Michael Hall as Johnny Smith - The Dead Zone (USA)
5. Clancy Brown as Brother Justin Crowe - Carnivale (HBO)
SF LEAD ACTRESS
** winner ** Amber Tamblyn as Joan Girardi - Joan of Arcadia (CBS)
2. Jennifer Garner as Sydney Bristow - Alias (ABC)
3. Mary McDonnell as President Laura Roslin - Battlestar Galactica
(Sci-Fi)
4. Evangeline Lilly as Kate - Lost (ABC)
5. Jolene Blalock as Cmdr. T'Pol - Star Trek: Enterprise (UPN)
SF SUPPORTING ACTOR
** winner ** Terry O'Quinn as Locke - Lost (ABC)
2. Josh Holloway as Sawyer - Lost (ABC)
3. Jake Weber as Joe Dubois - Medium (NBC)
4. Victor Garber as Jack Bristow - Alias (ABC)
5. Ron Rifkin as Arvin Sloane - Alias (ABC)
SF SUPPORTING ACTRESS
** winner ** Yunjin Kim as Sun - Lost (ABC)
2. Katee Sackhoff as Lt. Kara "Starbuck" Thrace - Battlestar Galactica
(Sci-Fi)
3. Laura Harris as Daisy Adair - Dead Like Me (Showtime)
4. Mia Maestro as Nadia Santos - Alias (ABC)
5. Tricia Helfer as Number Six - Battlestar Galactica (Sci-Fi)
SF GUEST ACTOR
** winner ** Jeffrey Combs as Cmdr. Shran - Star Trek: Enterprise,
recurring (UPN)
2. Joel Grey as Another Mr. Sloane/Ned Bolger - Alias, recurring (ABC)
3. Arliss Howard as Kenneth Push - Medium, recurring (NBC)
tie. William Mapother as Ethan - Lost, recurring (ABC)
5. Richard Hatch as Tom Zarek - Battlestar Galactica, recurring
(Sci-Fi)
SF GUEST ACTRESS
** winner ** Lena Olin as Irina Derevko - Alias, "Before the Flood"
(ABC)
2. L. Scott Caldwell as Rose - Lost, recurring (ABC)
3. Claudia Black as Vara Malduran - Stargate SG-1, recurring (Sci-Fi)
tie. Sarah Wynter as Rebecca Caldwell - The Dead Zone, recurring (USA)
5. Julie Bowen as Sarah - Lost, "Do No Harm" (ABC)
SF WRITING
** winner ** J.J. Abrams & Damon Lindelof - Lost, "Pilot" (ABC)
2. Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse - Lost, "Deus Ex Machina" (ABC)
tie. Ronald D. Moore - Battlestar Galactica, "33" (Sci-Fi)
4. Mike Sussman - Star Trek: Enterprise, "In a Mirror Darkly, Part 1"
(UPN)
5. Richard Haetm - Tru Calling, "Last Good Day" (Fox)
SF DIRECTING
** winner ** J.J. Abrams - Lost, "Pilot" (ABC)
2. Jack Bender - Lost, "Walkabout" (ABC)
3. Michael Rymer - Battlestar Galactica, "33" (Sci-Fi)
tie. Scott Winant - Carnivale, "New Canaan, CA" (HBO)
5. Ken Olin - Alias, "Authorized Personnel Only, Part 1" (ABC)
TV MOVIE/MINI-SERIES
** winner ** The Life and Death of Peter Sellers (HBO)
2. The Office Special (BBC America)
3. Reefer Madness (Showtime)
4. Lackawanna Blues (HBO)
tie. The Magic of Ordinary Days (CBS)
VARIETY SERIES/SPECIAL
** winner ** The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (Comedy Central)
2. Late Show with David Letterman (CBS)
3. Late Night with Conan O'Brien (NBC)
tie. Saturday Night Live (NBC)
5. Mad TV (Fox)
PERFORMANCE - VARIETY SERIES/SPECIAL
** winner ** Jon Stewart - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (Comedy
Central)
2. Amy Poehler - Saturday Night Live (NBC)
3. David Letterman - Late Show with David Letterman (CBS)
4. Maya Rudolph - Saturday Night Live (NBC)
5. Conan O'Brien - Late Night with Conan O'Brien (NBC)
REALITY/GAME PROGRAM (series or special)
** winner ** The Amazing Race (CBS)
2. Jeopardy! (syndicated)
3. America's Next Top Model (UPN)
4. Survivor (CBS)
5. Big Brother (CBS)
NEWS/TALK/DOCUMENTARY PROGRAM (series or special)
** winner ** Ebert & Roeper (syndicated)
2. The Seinfeld Story (NBC)
3. 60 Minutes (CBS)
tie. Frontline (PBS)
5. Meet the Press (NBC)
ANIMATED PROGRAM
** winner ** South Park (Comedy Central)
2. Family Guy (Fox)
3. The Simpsons (Fox)
4. Kim Possible (Disney)
5. King of the Hill (Fox)
BEST NEW SERIES
** winner ** Lost (ABC)
2. Veronica Mars (UPN)
3. Desperate Housewives (ABC)
4. Battlestar Galactica (Sci-Fi)
5. House (Fox)
MOST IMPROVED SERIES
** winner ** Gilmore Girls (WB)
2. Alias (ABC)
tie. Star Trek: Enterprise (UPN)
4. 24 (Fox)
5. Scrubs (NBC)
"The Worst":
WORST SERIES
** non-winner ** The Simple Life (Fox)
2. 7th Heaven (WB)
3. Yes, Dear (CBS)
4. The Apprentice (NBC)
5. American Idol (Fox)
WORST PERFORMER
** non-winner ** Paris Hilton as herself - The Simple Life (Fox)
2. Donald Trump as himself - The Apprentice (NBC)
3. Ashlee Simpson as herself - Saturday Night Live (NBC)
4. Mischa Barton as Marissa Cooper - The O.C. (Fox)
5. Mike O'Malley as Jimmy Hughes - Yes, Dear (CBS)
Joshua Kreitzer (for the Ratty Awards team)
grom...@hotmail.com
Joshua Kreitzer
The results of the Ratty Awards appear in a separate post, and here are
some additional notes on this year's awards:
There were 63 ballots received this year, up from last year; however,
by comparison, ten years ago there were 88 ballots cast in the 1st
Annual Ratty Awards. The 2nd and 3rd Ratty Awards had even more voters
(146 and at least 150, respectively).
This year, the rules specifically allowed people to promote the awards
on other newsgroups, web sites and blogs (i.e. discreetly campaign),
but I don't think many people took up the offer. (I did see a
discussion thread on alt.tv.gilmore-girls, and Ian J. Ball made an
announcement on his blog to promote Ratty voting in general.) Also,
Rob Licuria (the other member of the Ratty Awards team) posted the
ballot to GoldDerby.com, an entertainment awards site where he is a
senior editor.
However, generally, it wasn't possible for me to know whether people
got their ballots from one of the newsgroups or from the web site. By
the way, if anyone reading this post happened to vote because they saw
the ballot on rec.arts.sf.tv or rec.arts.animation, please let me know;
I don't know whether we're getting just rec.arts.tv voters or voters
from the other newsgroups as well.
The most voted on category, not surprisingly, was the newly established
category Best Series, with four categories tying for second place: Best
Drama Series, Best Drama Lead Actress, Best Comedy Series, and Best New
Series. Least voted on was Best TV Movie/Miniseries, with Best Comedy
Guest Actor as second-least voted on.
Among all categories, the nominee that received the most votes was
Kristen Bell as Best Drama Lead Actress. However, the nominee that
received the highest percentage of votes in its category was Lost as
Best SF Series.
Among networks, ABC clearly had the most improved year, winning 11
awards; by contrast, last year ABC received only 9 _nominations_
(although it did pick up 5 awards).
The four Rattys awarded to Veronica Mars are the first Rattys ever won
by a UPN series outside the SF genre. In fact, until this year, UPN
had never even been nominated for a non-SF program. (America's Next
Top Model, which received its first nomination this year, is the only
other non-SF show on UPN to be nominated.)
The Simpsons' domination of the animated categories at the Rattys ended
this year as the show finished behind both South Park and second-place
finisher Family Guy. Until this year, The Simpsons had won every Ratty
ever given in the animation genre (including Best Animated Program and
the now-defunct categories for writing and voiceovers in animation) --
17 in all.
In terms of planning the categories for next year, Rob Licuria has
suggested that we drop the category of Best Performance in a Variety
Series/Special; relatively few people voted on it in the nominations
round, and in some cases it's redundant with the Best Variety
Series/Special category.
For example, last year The Ellen DeGeneres Show won Best Variety
Series/Special, and the Best Performance in a Variety Series/Special
went to ... Ellen DeGeneres. This year, The Daily Show with Jon
Stewart won Best Variety Series/Special, and the performance award went
to ... Jon Stewart.
Of course, there were nominees who weren't the stars of their own
self-titled shows (such as Amy Poehler and Maya Rudolph of Saturday
Night Live this year), but the Performance in a Variety Series/Special
award category may be dropped next year unless there is great demand
for it.
Rob has suggested that we add some technical categories to the Rattys
such as Cinematography, Production Design, Costumes, Editing and Music.
We may add these next year on a trial basis to see if the voters are
interested in them. Most likely these categories would not be divided
by genre (so, for example, there would be a single award for Best
Cinematography, not one each for comedy, drama and SF).
And speaking of genres, the SF genre, which was in danger of being
dropped from the Rattys a couple of years ago, seems to be secure now.
Twelve different SF series were nominated in at least one category this
year, compared to eleven drama series and eight comedy series. This
suggests that there are enough SF shows to maintain a full set of
categories for the genre.
All comments are welcome, and you can look forward to the 12th Annual
Ratty Awards next year.
Joshua Kreitzer (for the Ratty Awards team)
grom...@hotmail.com
Laddy
The Next SCOTUS Nominee, Ian J. Ball
"Joshua Kreitzer" <grom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> There were 63 ballots received this year, up from last year; however,
> by comparison, ten years ago there were 88 ballots cast in the 1st
> Annual Ratty Awards. The 2nd and 3rd Ratty Awards had even more voters
> (146 and at least 150, respectively).
There were 167 total votes in the 3rd RATTYs.
You have to remember, though - back then, voting was really swelled by
immigrants from groups like alt.tv.x-files and alt.tv.er (which were
both huge groups back then).
> This year, the rules specifically allowed people to promote the awards
> on other newsgroups, web sites and blogs (i.e. discreetly campaign),
> but I don't think many people took up the offer. (I did see a
> discussion thread on alt.tv.gilmore-girls, and Ian J. Ball made an
> announcement on his blog to promote Ratty voting in general.)
FWIW, assuming I am still blogging next year, I'll probably do a more
focused RATTY promotion campaign in 2006. (This year, I was hampered by
real world obligations which ate up a whole lot of my time - next year,
that shouldn't be an issue...)
> The four Rattys awarded to Veronica Mars are the first Rattys ever won
> by a UPN series outside the SF genre. In fact, until this year, UPN
> had never even been nominated for a non-SF program.
Despite my best efforts! - I tried to get people to vote for "Nowhere
Man" back in '96!
> In terms of planning the categories for next year, Rob Licuria has
> suggested that we drop the category of Best Performance in a Variety
> Series/Special; relatively few people voted on it in the nominations
> round, and in some cases it's redundant with the Best Variety
> Series/Special category.
I have no problem with this.
> Rob has suggested that we add some technical categories to the Rattys
> such as Cinematography, Production Design, Costumes, Editing and Music.
> We may add these next year on a trial basis to see if the voters are
> interested in them.
I vote "No."
The RATTYs are hard enough to fill out as it is (esp. the nomination
ballot). You guys only get about 20 votes for the nominations.
The more categories you add, the more it will discourage people from
voting.
What could be done is maybe a 2nd set of RATTY for "technical" awards
totally *seperate* (e.g. maybe *after*) the "main" RATTYs.
But I am opposed to adding any more categories to the main awards, esp.
for essentially esoteric categories.
--
CNN, FNC, MSNBC - I'M READY FOR MY CLOSE-UP!!
"It is a decision of the Supreme Court... So this is almost
as if God has spoken." - Nancy Pelosi (on KELO), 06/30/05
http://homepage.mac.com/ijball/TV-Blog/
David
Joshua Kreitzer wrote:
> Rob has suggested that we add some technical categories to the Rattys
> such as Cinematography, Production Design, Costumes, Editing and Music.
> We may add these next year on a trial basis to see if the voters are
> interested in them. Most likely these categories would not be divided
> by genre (so, for example, there would be a single award for Best
> Cinematography, not one each for comedy, drama and SF).
I think that's a bad idea. It's time-consuming enough to fill up the
guest actor/actress and director categories and many of these would
probably redundantly repeat the directing nominees.
One suggestion I have is to expand the number of nominations people are
allowed to make to 8-10 and the number of nominees to 7-8. That way
there'll be more variety and would eliminate the need for people to
cheat by listing some nominees in weaker categories to have more room
in stronger categories.
Another thing that might increase voting could be the addition of more
"fun" categories, ie. year's best and worst moment (news, sports, or
something cool that happens on "Lost" for example), best and worst
transition to the big screen (current tv stars appearing in movies),
best or worst character, best or worst drama storyline, most overrated
and underrated show, and things like that. It might make the RATTYS too
much like the MTV Awards but it could be fun so maybe something to
think about?
Joshua Kreitzer
awards in the 11-year history of the Ratty Awards:
1. Buffy the Vampire Slayer; The X-Files (33 each)
3. Malcolm in the Middle (19)
4. The Simpsons (17)
5. ER (16)
6. 24 (14)
7. The West Wing (13)
8. Angel; Frasier; Late Show with David Letterman (12)
11. Alias; Friends; Gilmore Girls (11)
14. Arrested Development; The Daily Show with Jon Stewart; Lost; Scrubs
(8)
18. Ally McBeal; Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher (6)
20. Sesame Street (5)
There was not too much movement among the top 10 Ratty-winning shows
this year, given that four of them were no longer on the air (Buffy,
X-Files, Angel, Frasier) and three of the still-running shows received
no nominations (Malcolm, ER, West Wing). Of the remaining three, only
24 won a single Ratty this year.
On the other hand, several of the shows in the second 10 picked up
Rattys this year: Lost joined the Ratty elite in its first season,
while Gilmore Girls added five Rattys to its collection, and Alias,
Arrested Development, and The Daily Show were also honored.
***
The list of shows which have received "Worst" awards at the Rattys is
much shorter, because there are very few "Worst" categories. The
following are the only five shows which have received more than one
"Worst" Ratty:
1. Walker, Texas Ranger (4)
2. The Simple Life (3)
3. Ally McBeal; ER; Lexx (2)
Joshua Kreitzer
grom...@hotmail.com
The Next SCOTUS Nominee, Ian J. Ball
"Joshua Kreitzer" <grom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Here is an updated list of the shows which have won the most "Best"
> awards in the 11-year history of the Ratty Awards:
>
> 6. 24 (14)
Yea!
> 7. The West Wing (13)
> 11. Alias; Friends; Gilmore Girls (11)
Boo.
Windsor Williams
news:ifxCe.1423$cg....@news02.roc.ny:
> Thanks for the time and effort you and Rob devote to this!
I second Laddy -- many thanks for organizing
and running this! This was my first year to
vote, and it was interesting to learn more
about what others think are the best shows
on TV. I've got a number of shows I am now
planning on sampling, particularly in areas
(like comedy) with which I am not as familiar.
Windsor
Mark Nobles
> Joshua Kreitzer wrote:
> > Rob has suggested that we add some technical categories to the Rattys
> > such as Cinematography, Production Design, Costumes, Editing and Music.
> > We may add these next year on a trial basis to see if the voters are
> > interested in them. Most likely these categories would not be divided
> > by genre (so, for example, there would be a single award for Best
> > Cinematography, not one each for comedy, drama and SF).
>
> I think that's a bad idea. It's time-consuming enough to fill up the
> guest actor/actress and director categories and many of these would
> probably redundantly repeat the directing nominees.
>
> One suggestion I have is to expand the number of nominations people are
> allowed to make to 8-10 and the number of nominees to 7-8. That way
> there'll be more variety and would eliminate the need for people to
> cheat by listing some nominees in weaker categories to have more room
> in stronger categories.
I would also like to see a change in the voting procedures, so that
instead of voting for the one favorite in a category, you rank all the
candidates in order, or perhaps the top three. Then each first place
vote is worth 5 points, a second place vote worth 4, etc. The candidate
with the most points wins, not the one with the most first place votes.
>
> Another thing that might increase voting could be the addition of more
> "fun" categories, ie. year's best and worst moment (news, sports, or
> something cool that happens on "Lost" for example), best and worst
> transition to the big screen (current tv stars appearing in movies),
> best or worst character, best or worst drama storyline, most overrated
> and underrated show, and things like that. It might make the RATTYS too
> much like the MTV Awards but it could be fun so maybe something to
> think about?
>
Did any of the RATTY winners even get nominated for Emmy's?
Joshua Kreitzer
>
> Did any of the RATTY winners even get nominated for Emmy's?
Yes, some of them did:
Best Drama Lead Actor: Hugh Laurie, House
Best Drama Directing: Quentin Tarantino, CSI: Crime Scene
Investigation, "Grave Danger"
Best Comedy Series: Arrested Development
Best Comedy Lead Actor: Jason Bateman, Arrested Development
Best Comedy Writing: Marc Cherry, Desperate Housewives, "Pilot"
Best SF Series: Lost (Drama nominee at Emmys)
Best SF Supporting Actor: Terry O'Quinn, Lost (Drama nominee at Emmys)
Best SF Writing: J.J. Abrams & Damon Lindelof, Lost, "Pilot" (Drama
nominee at Emmys)
Best SF Directing: J.J. Abrams, Lost, "Pilot" (Drama nominee at Emmys)
Best TV Movie/Miniseries: The Life and Death of Peter Sellers
Best Variety Series/Special: The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
Best Performance, Variety Series/Special: Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
with Jon Stewart
Best Reality/Game Program: The Amazing Race
Best Animated Program: South Park
So that's 14 Ratty winners nominated out of a possible 33. (The Emmys
don't have any categories comparable to the Rattys for Best Series,
Best New Series, or Most Improved Series.) The Ratty winners most
notably absent from the Emmy nominations were Gilmore Girls and
Veronica Mars, both of which were completely shut out at the Emmys.
Joshua Kreitzer
grom...@hotmail.com
The Next SCOTUS Nominee, Ian J. Ball
Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> I would also like to see a change in the voting procedures, so that
> instead of voting for the one favorite in a category, you rank all the
> candidates in order, or perhaps the top three. Then each first place
> vote is worth 5 points, a second place vote worth 4, etc. The candidate
> with the most points wins, not the one with the most first place votes.
That sounds like it would significantly up the complexity factor for
Joshua. And I don't see why it is necessary. So I vote no on this
suggestion.
Major ChrisB
"Joshua Kreitzer" <grom...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121623273.6...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> *** 11th Annual Ratty Awards Commentary ***
> dropped from the Rattys a couple of years ago, seems to be secure now.
> Twelve different SF series were nominated in at least one category this
> year, compared to eleven drama series and eight comedy series. This
> suggests that there are enough SF shows to maintain a full set of
> categories for the genre.
well thats not stricktly true as Joan of Arcadia, Lost and Alias are NOT and
never have been Sci-fi shows.
ANIM8Rfsk
cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com wrote on 7/18/05 11:48 AM:
I don't watch Alias, but doesn't it have time travel or advanced tech from
the past or something?
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"Major ChrisB" <cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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SF is Speculative Fiction, which includes Sci-Fi but isn't exclusive to it.
Arnold Kim
Major ChrisB
"arnold kim" <arno...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:JUUCe.16873$js....@fe10.lga...
Speculative Fiction? what a load of toss. SF means Science Fiction and can
include Fantasy into that mix too in some cases. everything on tv thats not
a reality show is speculative fiction. If you've got catagories you should
have them for a reason, If your just going to change the acronisms to mean
whatever the crap you want it to then theres no validity or reason for these
at all. Next you'll be wanting War of the Worlds nominated in the Oscar
catagory coz the aliens were Computer animated or Batman Begins coz it was
based on a comic strip
ANIM8Rfsk
cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com wrote on 7/18/05 2:47 PM:
>
> "arnold kim" <arno...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:JUUCe.16873$js....@fe10.lga...
>>
>> "Major ChrisB" <cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:9575$42dbf971$5217bea2$3329@UNS...
>>>
>>> "Joshua Kreitzer" <grom...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1121623273.6...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> *** 11th Annual Ratty Awards Commentary ***
>>>> And speaking of genres, the SF genre, which was in danger of being
>>>> dropped from the Rattys a couple of years ago, seems to be secure now.
>>>> Twelve different SF series were nominated in at least one category this
>>>> year, compared to eleven drama series and eight comedy series. This
>>>> suggests that there are enough SF shows to maintain a full set of
>>>> categories for the genre.
>>>
>>> well thats not stricktly true as Joan of Arcadia, Lost and Alias are NOT
>>> and never have been Sci-fi shows.
>>
>> SF is Speculative Fiction, which includes Sci-Fi but isn't exclusive to
>> it.
>>
>
> Speculative Fiction? what a load of toss. SF means Science Fiction and can
> include Fantasy into that mix too in some cases.
Harlan Ellison is SO gonna kick your butt!
everything on tv thats not
> a reality show is speculative fiction. If you've got catagories you should
> have them for a reason, If your just going to change the acronisms to mean
> whatever the crap you want it to then theres no validity or reason for these
> at all. Next you'll be wanting War of the Worlds nominated in the Oscar
> catagory coz the aliens were Computer animated or Batman Begins coz it was
> based on a comic strip
>
>
--
Barry Margolin
ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> in article 9575$42dbf971$5217bea2$3329@UNS, Major ChrisB at
> cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com wrote on 7/18/05 11:48 AM:
>
> >
> > "Joshua Kreitzer" <grom...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1121623273.6...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> *** 11th Annual Ratty Awards Commentary ***
> >> And speaking of genres, the SF genre, which was in danger of being
> >> dropped from the Rattys a couple of years ago, seems to be secure now.
> >> Twelve different SF series were nominated in at least one category this
> >> year, compared to eleven drama series and eight comedy series. This
> >> suggests that there are enough SF shows to maintain a full set of
> >> categories for the genre.
> >
> > well thats not stricktly true as Joan of Arcadia, Lost and Alias are NOT and
> > never have been Sci-fi shows.
> >
> >
> I don't watch Alias, but doesn't it have time travel or advanced tech from
> the past or something?
The SF stuff is usually very tangential to the main plotlines. There
have been a few episodes that focused on the Rambaldi Device, but I
think it hardly classifies the whole series as SF. I consider it a spy
show with occasional fantastic elements.
--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
Mark Nobles
Thanks. That's a *much* higher number than it looked like to me.
The Next SCOTUS Nominee, Ian J. Ball
Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <BF01552D.44700%ANIM...@cox.net>,
> ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > in article 9575$42dbf971$5217bea2$3329@UNS, Major ChrisB at
> > cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com wrote on 7/18/05 11:48 AM:
> > >
> > > well thats not stricktly true as Joan of Arcadia, Lost and Alias are NOT
> > > and never have been Sci-fi shows.
> >
> > I don't watch Alias, but doesn't it have time travel or advanced tech from
> > the past or something?
>
> The SF stuff is usually very tangential to the main plotlines. There
> have been a few episodes that focused on the Rambaldi Device, but I
> think it hardly classifies the whole series as SF. I consider it a spy
> show with occasional fantastic elements.
Didn't the "Alias" season finale involve flesh-eating zombies, or
something?!
Ian (If that doesn't qualify as Sci-Fi/Fantasy, I dunno what does!)
David B
> In article <barmar-653DEF....@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> > In article <BF01552D.44700%ANIM...@cox.net>,
> > ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > in article 9575$42dbf971$5217bea2$3329@UNS, Major ChrisB at
> > > cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com wrote on 7/18/05 11:48 AM:
> > > >
> > > > well thats not stricktly true as Joan of Arcadia, Lost and Alias are NOT
> > > > and never have been Sci-fi shows.
> > >
> > > I don't watch Alias, but doesn't it have time travel or advanced tech from
> > > the past or something?
> >
> > The SF stuff is usually very tangential to the main plotlines. There
> > have been a few episodes that focused on the Rambaldi Device, but I
> > think it hardly classifies the whole series as SF. I consider it a spy
> > show with occasional fantastic elements.
>
> Didn't the "Alias" season finale involve flesh-eating zombies, or
> something?!
>
> Ian (If that doesn't qualify as Sci-Fi/Fantasy, I dunno what does!)
I don't remember if they ate flesh but they pretty much acted like them.
Mark Nobles
> "The Next SCOTUS Nominee, Ian J. Ball" wrote:
> > Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > > ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't watch Alias, but doesn't it have time travel or advanced tech
> > > > from
> > > > the past or something?
> > >
> > > The SF stuff is usually very tangential to the main plotlines. There
> > > have been a few episodes that focused on the Rambaldi Device, but I
> > > think it hardly classifies the whole series as SF. I consider it a spy
> > > show with occasional fantastic elements.
> >
> > Didn't the "Alias" season finale involve flesh-eating zombies, or
> > something?!
> >
> > Ian (If that doesn't qualify as Sci-Fi/Fantasy, I dunno what does!)
>
> I don't remember if they ate flesh but they pretty much acted like them.
>
Zombies are no longer science fiction:
<http://tinyurl.com/8rcmn>
or
<http://news.com.com/2061-11204_3-5777094.html?part=rss&tag=5777094&subj
=news>
arnold kim
>
> "arnold kim" <arno...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:JUUCe.16873$js....@fe10.lga...
>>
>> "Major ChrisB" <cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:9575$42dbf971$5217bea2$3329@UNS...
>>>
>>> "Joshua Kreitzer" <grom...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1121623273.6...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> *** 11th Annual Ratty Awards Commentary ***
>>>> And speaking of genres, the SF genre, which was in danger of being
>>>> dropped from the Rattys a couple of years ago, seems to be secure now.
>>>> Twelve different SF series were nominated in at least one category this
>>>> year, compared to eleven drama series and eight comedy series. This
>>>> suggests that there are enough SF shows to maintain a full set of
>>>> categories for the genre.
>>>
>>> well thats not stricktly true as Joan of Arcadia, Lost and Alias are NOT
>>> and never have been Sci-fi shows.
>>
>> SF is Speculative Fiction, which includes Sci-Fi but isn't exclusive to
>> it.
>>
>
> Speculative Fiction? what a load of toss. SF means Science Fiction and
> can include Fantasy into that mix too in some cases. everything on tv
> thats not a reality show is speculative fiction. If you've got
> catagories you should have them for a reason, If your just going to change
> the acronisms to mean whatever the crap you want it to then theres no
> validity or reason for these
Um, I didn't change the acronyms. SF has stood for "Speculative Fiction"
for years. Harlan Ellison invented the term. In fact, the actual initials
"SF" have always stood for Speculative Fiction, though some people confused
it with "Science Fiction", IIRC. Basically it covers anything that can't or
won't happen in reality (at least as of now). And I'm not talking about the
characters on Friends affording what looks like a $5000 dollar a month
apartment. I don't know about Alias, but Joan of Arcadia definitely
qualifies, unless you know of people who "see God" and talk to Him in the
literal sense that Joan does. "Lost" isn't concretely SF, but it certainly
seems like it is (the "magic numbers"? Locke no longer needing a
wheelchair? Claire's baby and the psychic? Come on.)
> at all. Next you'll be wanting War of the Worlds nominated in the Oscar
> catagory coz the aliens were Computer animated or Batman Begins coz it was
> based on a comic strip
Are they at least predominantly live-action? Then no.
Arnold Kim
Major ChrisB
"The Next SCOTUS Nominee, Ian J. Ball" <ijball***SPAM-No***@mac.com.invalid>
wrote in message
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> In article <barmar-653DEF....@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> In article <BF01552D.44700%ANIM...@cox.net>,
>> ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > in article 9575$42dbf971$5217bea2$3329@UNS, Major ChrisB at
>> > cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com wrote on 7/18/05 11:48 AM:
>> > >
>> > > well thats not stricktly true as Joan of Arcadia, Lost and Alias are
>> > > NOT
>> > > and never have been Sci-fi shows.
>> >
>> > I don't watch Alias, but doesn't it have time travel or advanced tech
>> > from
>> > the past or something?
>>
>> The SF stuff is usually very tangential to the main plotlines. There
>> have been a few episodes that focused on the Rambaldi Device, but I
>> think it hardly classifies the whole series as SF. I consider it a spy
>> show with occasional fantastic elements.
>
> Didn't the "Alias" season finale involve flesh-eating zombies, or
> something?!
>
no, a scientific experiement which was designed to stop violence in the
population was turned around the made them go violent on each other. No
zombies or paranormal or futuristic or alien work was involved.
Major ChrisB
Lord of The Rings is predominently computer animated...you dont see that
being Best Animation....LOST, alias, Desperate Housewives are all
predominently Dramas not Speculative Fiction or comedy or anything else...
Paul Vader
>Lord of The Rings is predominently computer animated...you dont see that
Say what?! *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
Rob Jensen
Ball" <ijball***SPAM-No***@mac.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Rob has suggested that we add some technical categories to the Rattys
>> such as Cinematography, Production Design, Costumes, Editing and Music.
>> We may add these next year on a trial basis to see if the voters are
>> interested in them.
>
>I vote "No."
>
>The RATTYs are hard enough to fill out as it is (esp. the nomination
>ballot). You guys only get about 20 votes for the nominations.
>
>The more categories you add, the more it will discourage people from
>voting.
>
>What could be done is maybe a 2nd set of RATTY for "technical" awards
>totally *seperate* (e.g. maybe *after*) the "main" RATTYs.
>
>But I am opposed to adding any more categories to the main awards, esp.
>for essentially esoteric categories.
Oh, Jesus Christ! I agree with Ian on something. Isn't this a sign
of the Apocalypse?
I am also opposed to adding tech categories to the main RATTYs. I had
a hard enough time filling out the episode-title-intensive writing and
directing nominations in each track as it is and, although I'm a stage
manager and dramaturg by training, if I find scraping up tech category
nominees to be tedious, chances are, most "civilian" voters are going
to be tearing their hair out over a tech-oriented ballot long before I
do.
I also agree with Ian on the suggestion of a second tech-oriented set
of the awards to follow a month or two after the main Rattys.
Also, with the news that Desperate Housewives is going to get
"darker," I think we need to resume the discussions on why DH is not a
comedy and never should have been submitted in the comedy track at any
of the awards shows. Something tells me DH is gonna end up being in
the Drama track where it belongs as it more fully embraces its
Drama-based soap opera roots.
-- Rob
=============================
LORELAI: In the movie, only boy hobbits travel to Mount
Doom, but that's only because the girls went to do something
even more dangerous.
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Rob Jensen
Ball" <ijball***SPAM-No***@mac.com.invalid> wrote:
>In article <1121637364.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Joshua Kreitzer" <grom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is an updated list of the shows which have won the most "Best"
>> awards in the 11-year history of the Ratty Awards:
>>
>> 6. 24 (14)
>
>Yea!
>
>> 7. The West Wing (13)
>> 11. Alias; Friends; Gilmore Girls (11)
>
>Boo.
Yeah, Gilmore Girls having *only* 11 Rattys is inexcusable. It should
have at *least* twice that many.
The Next SCOTUS Nominee, Ian J. Ball
"Major ChrisB" <cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
This qualifies as Skiffy in my book.
The Next SCOTUS Nominee, Ian J. Ball
Rob Jensen <Shut...@aol.com> wrote:
> Also, with the news that Desperate Housewives is going to get
> "darker," I think we need to resume the discussions on why DH is not a
> comedy and never should have been submitted in the comedy track at any
> of the awards shows. Something tells me DH is gonna end up being in
> the Drama track where it belongs as it more fully embraces its
> Drama-based soap opera roots.
I'm fine with that, as long as "Lost" ends up in Drama too.
Ian (Unless "Lost" takes a *serious* left-turn into Fantasy/Skiffy in
season #2...)
arnold kim
Actually, no it wasn't predominantly computer animated. All of the
characters (not extras) were played onscreen by flesh and blood actors, it
was filmed on location using real sets and a real New Zealand backdrop.
But there is a generally accepted idea for what an animated movie is, and
LOTR isn't it. However, -you- are the one who's changing the generally
accepted definition of "Speculative Fiction," not me. And before you debate
me on the literalness of the term "Speculative Fiction," I should remind you
that there's often very little that's science-y about most Science Fiction.
> LOST, alias, Desperate Housewives are all predominently Dramas not
> Speculative Fiction or comedy or anything else...
But I thought you said that all fiction is speculative fiction- "everything
that's not a reality show is speculative fiction," in your own words.
Dude, you apparently didn't even know that the term "Speculative Fiction"
existed until I told you. So then how could you decide what is and isn't
SF? SF basically covers any story that takes place outside of the bounds of
reality- it's not the same thing as Sci-Fi, though it includes Sci-Fi as a
subgenre. "Being John Malkovich," for instance, may not be Sci-Fi, but is
definitely SF- the presence of a floor in a building that is actually a
portal into someone's mind certainly places the movie outside of reality.
Arnold Kim
Barry Margolin
<ijball***SPAM-No***-31CD01.160...@news-rdr-03.socal.rr.com>,
"The Next SCOTUS Nominee, Ian J. Ball"
> In article <e66b0$42dd40dc$5217bea2$9820@UNS>,
> "Major ChrisB" <cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > "The Next SCOTUS Nominee, Ian J. Ball"
> > <ijball***SPAM-No***@mac.com.invalid>
> > wrote in message
> > news:ijball***SPAM-No***-B82825.181...@news-rdr-02.socal.rr.com...
> > > In article <barmar-653DEF....@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> > > Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The SF stuff is usually very tangential to the main plotlines. There
> > >> have been a few episodes that focused on the Rambaldi Device, but I
> > >> think it hardly classifies the whole series as SF. I consider it a spy
> > >> show with occasional fantastic elements.
> > >
> > > Didn't the "Alias" season finale involve flesh-eating zombies, or
> > > something?!
> >
> > no, a scientific experiement which was designed to stop violence in the
> > population was turned around the made them go violent on each other.
>
> This qualifies as Skiffy in my book.
Certainly. It's as much SF as something like "Flowers for Algernon".
However, I think my earlier point is still valid -- this isn't really
what the show is about. Many of the Bond movies have some futuristic
science involved in the villain's plot, but I don't think anyone would
really consider them science fiction.
ANIM8Rfsk
Margolin at bar...@alum.mit.edu wrote on 7/19/05 8:37 PM:
Hmm. Maybe "You Only Live Twice" -- at least at the time it came out.
I guess you could make the same argument for Moonraker, but it pretty much
became fantasy 5 minutes in when the orbiter launched from the 747 . . .
Is there a point at which the science is so bad that it can't be considered
science fiction regardless of the trappings? I'd say so. I'd say Lost in
Space qualifies, and Voyager comes damn close sometimes.
jayembee
>> This qualifies as Skiffy in my book.
>
> Certainly. It's as much SF as something like "Flowers for Algernon".
>
> However, I think my earlier point is still valid -- this isn't really
> what the show is about. Many of the Bond movies have some futuristic
> science involved in the villain's plot, but I don't think anyone would
> really consider them science fiction.
I would, depending on the context. If I were compiling a list of all science
fiction movies, I would include them. If I were compiling a list of movies
available on DVD, and listing them by category, I'd put the Bond films in
"action" or "spy films" or "thriller", rather than in "science fiction" (except
possibly MOONRAKER).
-- jayembee