Re: Standard Time
Dan
>nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) found these unused words:
>
>>Cyberbilly <wvmo...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>A tourist was visiting an Indian reservation. While he was there he
>>>asked this old chief if the Indians observed Daylight Savings Time.
>>
>>>After a long pensive pause, the chief replied "Only white man dumb
>>>enough to cut a foot off bottom of blanket, sew it to top and think he
>>>have a longer blanket.
>>
>> I wonder about a chief so stupid as to imagine that if the
>>blanket doesn't cover his chest that some of the several feet laying
>>over the edge of the bed can't possibly be pulled up to a more useful
>>spot.
>
>Don't, the Chief is smart enough - he's commenting on the WHITE man's
>foolishness of daylight 'savings' time.
>
>Doesn't 'save' a thing with the extended period as either morning is black,
>or night is black - and in some latitudes BOTH - so it matters not!
Time of day in the west is not standardised on sunrise, but on
mid-day. I.e. 12 noon is when the sun is highest. The sunrise time
itself varies throughout the year and is at its earliest in the
summer, in the UK this is around 3:45am GMT at midsummer. 'Daylight
savings time' simply shifts the clock during the summer so that
instead of having an hour of daylight at 4-5am when most people are
asleep, we instead have an extra hour of daylight at 8-9pm, when
most people are still awake and can make use of it.
It doesn't make the total length of daylight longer, however it
makes the useful amount of daylight longer for most people.
whodunit
work in the early 20th century?
Or maybe just Congress screwing around with stuff it didn't need to mess
with back then, just like they do now. :-)
Anthony Buckland
"whodunit" <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> ...
> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight to
> work in the early 20th century?
That certainly seems to have been the case in Canada, but think
how much simpler things would have been if farmers were simply
encouraged to adjust their work days. I mean, exactly how
desperate _were_ early 20th century farmers to get their kids
home from school one hour out of sync with the government's
concepts of the official day?
A Watcher
I'm from farm country and I recall when I was a kid the farmers didn't
like daylight savings time. The animals woke up and thus their work
would start when the sun came up. Without DST they could get their
chores done before the kids had to go to school and before the towns
started up for business. Nowadays most farmers don't have animals so it
isn't that big a deal.
Dimensional Traveler
factory workers more daylight to get to and from their jobs.
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> Anthony Buckland wrote:
>> "whodunit" <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hd1cvn$h5u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> ...
>>> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight
>>> to work in the early 20th century?
>>> ...
>>
>> That certainly seems to have been the case in Canada, but think
>> how much simpler things would have been if farmers were simply
>> encouraged to adjust their work days. I mean, exactly how
>> desperate _were_ early 20th century farmers to get their kids
>> home from school one hour out of sync with the government's
>> concepts of the official day?
> I was under the impression that DST was instituted during WWII to give
> factory workers more daylight to get to and from their jobs.
>
I thought it was instituted to save energy in war time.
Super-Menace
Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Anthony Buckland wrote:
> > "whodunit" <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:hd1cvn$h5u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> ...
> >> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight to
> >> work in the early 20th century?
> >> ...
> >
> > That certainly seems to have been the case in Canada, but think
> > how much simpler things would have been if farmers were simply
> > encouraged to adjust their work days. I mean, exactly how
> > desperate _were_ early 20th century farmers to get their kids
> > home from school one hour out of sync with the government's
> > concepts of the official day?
> >
> I was under the impression that DST was instituted during WWII to give
> factory workers more daylight to get to and from their jobs.
Wrong war. DST was instituted by Congress in 1918, but was so
unpopular with farmers that it was repealed the following year. DST
went into effect again during WW2. In most places DST went year-round
as "War Time," so the clocks were set two hours ahead in summer instead
of one, and were set one hour ahead the rest of the year. Regular DST
was allowed to stay in effect after the war. Farmers no longer had the
political power in Congress to stop DST after WW2.
Adam H. Kerman
>Wrong war. DST was instituted by Congress in 1918, but was so
>unpopular with farmers that it was repealed the following year. DST
>went into effect again during WW2. In most places DST went year-round
>as "War Time," so the clocks were set two hours ahead in summer instead
>of one, and were set one hour ahead the rest of the year. Regular DST
>was allowed to stay in effect after the war. Farmers no longer had the
>political power in Congress to stop DST after WW2.
Personally, I oppose Daylight Saving Time because I really like my sunlight
in the morning, but I never bought the idiocy of farmers being against
it. They are self employed! They can get up at whatever time they have
the most daylight to work with, or as early as they need to before dawn
to get as much work done in the hottest days of the summer before it gets
too hot. Resetting the clock doesn't affect when they work.
There was always the old canard that the cows couldn't adjust to the clock
change for a few weeks when they produced milk. So don't change the time
you milk the cows!
David Johnston
Farmers? What do farmers care? DST is for people who have some
leisure time.
Tim Bruening
Anthony Buckland wrote:
The farmers can't work very well when its dark,
Super-Menace
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
The problem is that members of farm families generally work outside the
home, too, because farming is so bust-and-boom. Resetting the clocks
affects the time they can put in at the farm before they go to their
day jobs.
Obveeus
"Dimensional Traveler" <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> I was under the impression that DST was instituted during WWII to give
> factory workers more daylight to get to and from their jobs.
It might give them more daylight to get to *or* from their jobs, but it
isn't going to be an *and* situation. Several posts in this thread have
hinted that the clock change provides more daylight somehow. All it does is
shift when the daylight occurs...adding more daylight to the day would be a
much more difficult task. ;-)
Adam H. Kerman
That was the situation before WWI, lack of paved roads and rural areas
that were entirely farm dependent services supporting farmers? We're not
talking about people with really long commutes, which just weren't possible
way back when.
I just never bought rural opposition.
The very name is specious, as if the sun cares what the civil time is.
A friend of mine likes Daylight time, says that when he gets up at his
usual time in the fall to go to work, now before dawn, he feels like he's
getting a real jump on the day.
Adam H. Kerman
Of course it saves daylight. It's called Daylight Saving Time. P.R. doesn't
lie, does it?
clouddreamer
> Anthony Buckland wrote:
>> "whodunit" <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hd1cvn$h5u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> ...
>>> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight
>>> to work in the early 20th century?
>>> ...
>>
>> That certainly seems to have been the case in Canada, but think
>> how much simpler things would have been if farmers were simply
>> encouraged to adjust their work days. I mean, exactly how
>> desperate _were_ early 20th century farmers to get their kids
>> home from school one hour out of sync with the government's
>> concepts of the official day?
> I was under the impression that DST was instituted during WWII to give
> factory workers more daylight to get to and from their jobs.
>
The idea of DST was first used by the Romans. A similar idea was
suggested by Benjamin Franklin but impossible to implement as there was
no standardization of time zones. The modern idea of DST was proposed in
1895 by a New Zealander who wanted more leisure time to collect insects.
A few years later, a Brit suggested it to give people more leisure time
in summer.
It was first implemented by the Germans and its allies in 1916 to
conserve coal. Other nations followed. The US started it in 1918, then
abolished it until 1942 when it was implemented year round (called war
time) then kept as DST after 1945.
In Canada, Saskatchewan does not observe DST, primarily because of the
farmers. In the US, Arizona and Hawaii don't observe DST. Oddly enough,
Arizona does not to save energy from air conditioning in the summer.
..
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Obveeus
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in message
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Like a savings account with zero percent interest...the daylight is stored,
but not expanded upon.
Obveeus
"clouddreamer" <Reuse....@nd.Reduce.now> wrote:
> In Canada, Saskatchewan does not observe DST, primarily because of the
> farmers. In the US, Arizona and Hawaii don't observe DST. Oddly enough,
> Arizona does not to save energy from air conditioning in the summer.
Air conditioning? I thought it was simply a matter of the Arizonans having
the good sense not to diddle pointlessly with their clocks.
clouddreamer
Actually, the guy that originally pushed through the exemption was owner
of a lot of drive-in movie theatres and was losing money because it
wasn't getting dark until after 10 pm with DST.
So, the underlying reason was more capitalistic (ie greedy).
Obveeus
"clouddreamer" <Reuse....@nd.Reduce.now> wrote:
> Obveeus wrote:
>> Air conditioning? I thought it was simply a matter of the Arizonans
>> having the good sense not to diddle pointlessly with their clocks.
>
> Actually, the guy that originally pushed through the exemption was owner
> of a lot of drive-in movie theatres and was losing money because it wasn't
> getting dark until after 10 pm with DST.
An interesting factoid, indeed.
BTW, with the recent clock adjustment, where is Anim8rFSK to complain about
the TV/cable guides being wrong? I thought that that was a yearly
tradition.
Anim8rFSK
clouddreamer <Reuse....@nd.Reduce.now> wrote:
You do realize that DST was put forth as a JOKE, and only the truly
stupid and delusional like you grasp onto it as a viable concept?
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"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
Yes.
ClodDreamer is wrong, as usual, as always, and will now reply with some
of her bizarre paranoid lies, not realizing she's simply too stupid to
realize she's been fooled.
Anim8rFSK
"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
They were only screwed up for a day this time, far as I could tell.
clouddreamer
Heh
;]
Rom
> animals internal time. "natural" time. Cows *know* when they want
> milked and they don't need a clock to tell them it's time.
You are speaking way to generally. Many farmers may go by "natural time" but
it doesn't mean all do. Also, going by natural time isn't necessarily fixed
either, as you're not always going to wake up or get to your animals at the
exact same time each day. I know both for a fact and from actual experience
that animals are very capable of adjusting; i.e. if you are delayed (or
early) by a few min, or be it an hour, they will adapt. Usually animals just
wont care, they will adjust to *you*.
> DST is a townie invention.
Actually many different kinds of people had come up with the idea. Try
reading a little history. Even Benjamin Franklyn proposed it (but couldn't
proceed due to a lack of any standardized time.)
-Rom
peachy ashie passion
damn you're cranky.
Did the time change result in you not getting enough sleep darlin?
A Watcher
I grew up in farm country and most of my relatives were farmers. They
hated DST!
Obveeus
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ANIM8Rfsk-A8BDB...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> In article <hd43a8$gvh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "clouddreamer" <Reuse....@nd.Reduce.now> wrote:
>>
>> > Obveeus wrote:
>> >> Air conditioning? I thought it was simply a matter of the Arizonans
>> >> having the good sense not to diddle pointlessly with their clocks.
>> >
>> > Actually, the guy that originally pushed through the exemption was
>> > owner
>> > of a lot of drive-in movie theatres and was losing money because it
>> > wasn't
>> > getting dark until after 10 pm with DST.
>>
>> An interesting factoid, indeed.
>>
>> BTW, with the recent clock adjustment, where is Anim8rFSK to complain
>> about
>> the TV/cable guides being wrong? I thought that that was a yearly
>> tradition.
>
> They were only screwed up for a day this time, far as I could tell.
See, modern technology is getting better. Next up, a microwave that can
brown toast: 'Convection microwave'.
clouddreamer
Nah. Animlfukr just can't stand women that know more than he does.
Anim8rFSK
I'm just sick of demented lying filth like ClodDreamer talking to actual
people.
David Johnston
<Reuse....@nd.Reduce.now> wrote:
>Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> Anthony Buckland wrote:
>>> "whodunit" <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:hd1cvn$h5u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> ...
>>>> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight
>>>> to work in the early 20th century?
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> That certainly seems to have been the case in Canada, but think
>>> how much simpler things would have been if farmers were simply
>>> encouraged to adjust their work days. I mean, exactly how
>>> desperate _were_ early 20th century farmers to get their kids
>>> home from school one hour out of sync with the government's
>>> concepts of the official day?
>> I was under the impression that DST was instituted during WWII to give
>> factory workers more daylight to get to and from their jobs.
>>
>
>
>The idea of DST was first used by the Romans. A similar idea was
>suggested by Benjamin Franklin but impossible to implement as there was
>no standardization of time zones.
Actually all Benjamin Franklin suggested was that people should go to
bed earlier to save money on candles
clouddreamer
That's why I called it a "similar idea." His suggestions were the first
modern attempts to alter sleep patterns to obtain more waking time in
daylight and save candles/energy as a result. Changing the clocks to
effect the same change was, as I noted, impossible without
standardization. He looked at other ways, such as ringing bells to wake
people at a set hour or setting off cannon.
With the later standardization of time zones, the changing of the clock
replaced the idea of forcing people up earlier.
Steve Newport
damn you're cranky.
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And he's all downhill from there.
jill
Super-Menace <Super-Menace> wrote:
>In article <4af4fdd3$0$1619$742e...@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
>Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> Anthony Buckland wrote:
>> > "whodunit" <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:hd1cvn$h5u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> >> ...
>> >> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight to
>> >> work in the early 20th century?
>> >> ...
>> >
>> > That certainly seems to have been the case in Canada, but think
>> > how much simpler things would have been if farmers were simply
>> > encouraged to adjust their work days. I mean, exactly how
>> > desperate _were_ early 20th century farmers to get their kids
>> > home from school one hour out of sync with the government's
>> > concepts of the official day?
>> >
>> I was under the impression that DST was instituted during WWII to give
>> factory workers more daylight to get to and from their jobs.
>
>
>unpopular with farmers that it was repealed the following year. DST
>went into effect again during WW2. In most places DST went year-round
>as "War Time," so the clocks were set two hours ahead in summer instead
>of one, and were set one hour ahead the rest of the year. Regular DST
>was allowed to stay in effect after the war. Farmers no longer had the
>political power in Congress to stop DST after WW2.
Arizona
and Indiana do NOT follow DST and stay on 'regular' time year round. I
don't know about other states, but I'm sure about those two.
Interestingly enough, Gary Indiana _does_ do DST. I was told this is
because it is close to Chicago and wants to stay in sync with it for
business reasons.
In the case of Indiana at least, I was told that the majority of
people in that state are more agriculturally oriented and disagree
with DST.
Jill
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aemeijers
I'm from there, now living one state north, and it was always a pain
trying to remember what time it was 'back home'. Yes, I hate DST as much
as anyone, but if you are going to do it, everyone should do it, and all
countries should follow the same start/stop dates. It is a major pain
twice a year trying to keep track of local time for all the far-away
people I have to deal with at work and in my personal life.
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clouddreamer
I believe Indiana has joined DST with the state now divided between
eastern and central time zones.
..
Anim8rFSK
aemeijers <aeme...@att.net> wrote:
Then nobody should do it. Going along with a bunch of people doing the
wrong thing isn't the right thing to do.
aemeijers
happen, making everyone do the stupid thing in the same way would make
life easier.
--
aem sends...
Anim8rFSK
aemeijers <aeme...@att.net> wrote:
But then the moronic unwashed lying vermin filth like ClodDreamer win.
Obveeus
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> aemeijers <aeme...@att.net> wrote:
>> Like I said, I would rather nobody did DST. But since that will never
>> happen, making everyone do the stupid thing in the same way would make
>> life easier.
>>
>> --
>> aem sends...
>
> But then the moronic unwashed lying vermin filth like ClodDreamer win.
I hate it when the Fed-Ex guy is late with Anim8r's medication.
jill
Really? The lure of the big city finally got to them? *grin*
>I'm from there, now living one state north, and it was always a pain
>trying to remember what time it was 'back home'. Yes, I hate DST as much
Heck, I have enough trouble keeping track of time zones. DST added on
top of it about fries my brain.
>as anyone, but if you are going to do it, everyone should do it, and all
>countries should follow the same start/stop dates. It is a major pain
Yes, all or nothing. I agree. Given that keeping track of time is such
an artificial construct anyway, if you are going to do it, make it
logical. Oh wait, politicians are involved... never mind *rolls eyes*
>twice a year trying to keep track of local time for all the far-away
>people I have to deal with at work and in my personal life.
>
>--
>aem sends...
That is one advantage to email that I can see (one of many of course).
I no longer care what time it is when I email a friend/family member.
I send it. They get it when they get it, and that is that. Of course
for really important things I just call but then it's _important_
so figuring out what time it is just isn't as important.
peachy ashie passion
No, that can't be it. I know more than him often, and he's never
cranky with me.
peachy ashie passion
Sometimes convenience is far more important than being right.
whodunit
that could be done with an $8 toaster.
(Is that a BSG reference?!!)
whodunit
Oh? Do tell! ;-)
whodunit
too busy fighting fires caused by candles late at night!
whodunit
clouddreamer
No. He was in Paris and thought it would help the Parisians save candles
if they went to bed earlier and got up earlier. At it was, they woke at
noon and stayed up late burning candles.
..
Anim8rFSK
peachy ashie passion <exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Not in this case.
Anim8rFSK
whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Hey, MY Congresspeople don't support this idiocy. You need to
straighten YOURS out. :)
Obveeus
>>
>> Nah. Animlfukr just can't stand women that know more than he does.
>
> cranky with me.
Well, there was that time he threatened to skin you alive.
Obveeus
"clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote:
> whodunit wrote:
>> Maybe Ben just suggested it because his newly formed Fire Department was
>> too busy fighting fires caused by candles late at night!
>
> No. He was in Paris and thought it would help the Parisians save candles
> if they went to bed earlier and got up earlier. At it was, they woke at
> noon and stayed up late burning candles.
Ben Franklin never really had any original ideas. What he did have was a
mouse hidden up in his hat/hair that told him what to do.
peachy ashie passion
And put me in a pie.
I'm never entirely sure how to take those comments, no matter who
makes them
whodunit
of Terror came along and ruined everything. ;-)
whodunit
whodunit
Always the kinky stuff between you two! ;-)
clouddreamer
lol
..
Obveeus
"peachy ashie passion" <exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, lots of guys do enjoy eating pie, so maybe he was trying to make
friends?
Anim8rFSK
Would it be better if we skinned you and put you in a cobbler?
whodunit
> In article <hd7q5...@news6.newsguy.com>,
> peachy ashie passion <exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Obveeus wrote:
>>> "peachy ashie passion" <exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> clouddreamer wrote:
>>>>> Nah. Animlfukr just can't stand women that know more than he does.
>>>> No, that can't be it. I know more than him often, and he's never
>>>> cranky with me.
>>> Well, there was that time he threatened to skin you alive.
>>>
>>>
>> And put me in a pie.
>>
>> I'm never entirely sure how to take those comments, no matter who
>> makes them
>
> Would it be better if we skinned you and put you in a cobbler?
>
peachy ashie passion
> "peachy ashie passion" <exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hd7q5...@news6.newsguy.com...
>> Obveeus wrote:
>>> "peachy ashie passion" <exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> clouddreamer wrote:
>>>>> Nah. Animlfukr just can't stand women that know more than he does.
>>>> No, that can't be it. I know more than him often, and he's never
>>>> cranky with me.
>>> Well, there was that time he threatened to skin you alive.
>> And put me in a pie.
>>
>> I'm never entirely sure how to take those comments, no matter who makes
>> them
>
> Well, lots of guys do enjoy eating pie, so maybe he was trying to make
> friends?
>
>
That is one possibility.
Obveeus
The other being that he lives in Arizona with his mom. Perhaps his real
name is Norman Bates?
Dragon Lady
"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybuc...@telus.net> wrote in message
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>
> "whodunit" <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hd1cvn$h5u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> ...
>> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight to
>> work in the early 20th century?
>> ...
>
> That certainly seems to have been the case in Canada, but think
> how much simpler things would have been if farmers were simply
> encouraged to adjust their work days. I mean, exactly how
> desperate _were_ early 20th century farmers to get their kids
> home from school one hour out of sync with the government's
> concepts of the official day?
impossible. There are so many daylight hours, depending on the time of
year, and changing the clock isn't going to change that. The purpose was to
have them working at a *different* time - ie: one hour earlier in the winter
hours - so that they would be inside and watching the boob tube and it's
advertising at night instead of going straight to bed.
In other words, it was money based.
My personal opinion is that the idiot who thought it up should have been
slapped upside the head and told what an idiot he is. The stress of
changing your schedule twice a year is something nobody needs to go through.
If I'm going to catch a cold or the flu during the year, it will be during
one of these idiotic time changes.
Dragon Lady
"jill" <ji...@tuells.org> wrote in message
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> In article <071120090052285348%fort...@arctic.com.invalid>,
> Super-Menace <Super-Menace> wrote:
>>In article <4af4fdd3$0$1619$742e...@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
>>Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Anthony Buckland wrote:
>>> > news:hd1cvn$h5u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> >> ...
>>> >> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight
>>> >> to
>>> >> work in the early 20th century?
>>> >> ...
>>> >
>>> > That certainly seems to have been the case in Canada, but think
>>> > how much simpler things would have been if farmers were simply
>>> > encouraged to adjust their work days. I mean, exactly how
>>> > desperate _were_ early 20th century farmers to get their kids
>>> > home from school one hour out of sync with the government's
>>> > concepts of the official day?
>>> >
>>> factory workers more daylight to get to and from their jobs.
>>
>>
>>unpopular with farmers that it was repealed the following year. DST
>>went into effect again during WW2. In most places DST went year-round
>>as "War Time," so the clocks were set two hours ahead in summer instead
>>of one, and were set one hour ahead the rest of the year. Regular DST
>>was allowed to stay in effect after the war. Farmers no longer had the
>>political power in Congress to stop DST after WW2.
>
> Arizona
> and Indiana do NOT follow DST and stay on 'regular' time year round. I
> don't know about other states, but I'm sure about those two.
> Interestingly enough, Gary Indiana _does_ do DST. I was told this is
> because it is close to Chicago and wants to stay in sync with it for
> business reasons.
>
> In the case of Indiana at least, I was told that the majority of
> people in that state are more agriculturally oriented and disagree
> with DST.
And yet North and South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas, all primarily
agricultural states, all do daylight savings time.
Dragon Lady
"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> aemeijers <aeme...@att.net> wrote:
>>> Like I said, I would rather nobody did DST. But since that will never
>>> happen, making everyone do the stupid thing in the same way would make
>>> life easier.
>>>
>>> --
>>> aem sends...
>>
>> But then the moronic unwashed lying vermin filth like ClodDreamer win.
>
> I hate it when the Fed-Ex guy is late with Anim8r's medication.
>
Maybe he's still on regular time.
Dragon Lady
"whodunit" <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
Yeah! I'd vote for that!
I don't really mind daylight savings time. I just wish they'd STAY THE HELL
ON ONE OR THE OTHER INSTEAD OF THIS IDIOTIC SWITCHING BACK AND
FORTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dragon Lady
year old.
Super-Menace
<dragon...@q.com> wrote:
No, all of Indiana went on DST beginning in 2006. However, some parts
of Indiana are on CDT while others are on EDT. It's a mess.
The only states that don't go on DST are Arizona and Hawaii. (The
Navaho reservation in Arizona does go on DST, though.) As for U.S.
territories, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam and American Samoa don't
use DST.
Steve Newport
savings time. I just wish they'd STAY THE HELL ON ONE OR THE OTHER
Daylight all the time!
suzee
It wasn't put into place for the farmers - as you point out the days are
longer in the summer anyway, and they're up from first light to way
beyond sunset - tractors have headlights too.
It was really aimed at the city people, so when they got home at 5 or 6
o'clock from work, there'd be more daylight hours to spend outside,
playing or shopping.... especially the shopping. It was a marketing ploy.
Harold Groot
wrote:
Actually, I think he's referring to an earlier Disney work (The Mouse
Factory from 1972).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112206/
Plot: Wally Cox takes a look at Ben Franklin, one of colonial
America's scientific and political leaders, remarking that a man is
only as good as his inspirations, many of which, in Ben's case,
succeeded thanks to a church mouse named Amos
Obveeus
"Harold Groot" <que...@infionline.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:39:24 -0700, "Dragon Lady" <dragon...@q.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:hd7oag$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote:
>>>> whodunit wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Maybe Ben just suggested it because his newly formed Fire Department
>>>>> was
>>>>> too busy fighting fires caused by candles late at night!
>>>>
>>>> No. He was in Paris and thought it would help the Parisians save
>>>> candles
>>>> if they went to bed earlier and got up earlier. At it was, they woke at
>>>> noon and stayed up late burning candles.
>>>
>>> Ben Franklin never really had any original ideas. What he did have was
>>> a
>>> mouse hidden up in his hat/hair that told him what to do.
>
>>Dude. You've watched Ratatoulie one to many times. You must have a four
>>year old.
Ratatoulie? I didn't even know that Benjamin Franklin was in that story.
> Actually, I think he's referring to an earlier Disney work (The Mouse
> Factory from 1972).
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112206/
>
> Plot: Wally Cox takes a look at Ben Franklin, one of colonial
> America's scientific and political leaders, remarking that a man is
> only as good as his inspirations, many of which, in Ben's case,
> succeeded thanks to a church mouse named Amos
The original film version is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045550/
...and the book was around for a decade+ before that.
...or if we wanted to take a serious look at Ben Franklin we could get into
a discussion about how easy it would be to invent things if you got to work
in/around the patent office...getting first look at everyone else's work.
Leigh Claffey
Er, cart before the horse time here, I'm afraid. The first patent in
the US was not issued until 1790.
Franklin's experiments began in childhood (swim fins 1717) and his most
famous ones (lightning rod, airmonica, franklin stove
and bifocals) were during the period from 1742 to 1764.
Franklin had nothing to do with the Patent Office (by any name or under
any government American or English)
but he did have something to do with the US Post Office.
As for the 'mouse' books (mice helping Franklin, Paul Revere, etc)
they're cute. They're kids books.
Anything that will get a kid to read something, especially if it might
get them interested in history is
fine by me as long as they get the basics right.
(ie: as long as it doesn't suggest that Paul Revere flew through the
air like Underdog announcing the Red Sox were coming...)
--Leigh
Obveeus
"Leigh Claffey" <lcla...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Obveeus wrote:
>>
>> ...or if we wanted to take a serious look at Ben Franklin we could get
>> into a discussion about how easy it would be to invent things if you got
>> to work in/around the patent office...getting first look at everyone
>> else's work.
>
> Er, cart before the horse time here, I'm afraid. The first patent in the
> US was not issued until 1790.
Fair enough. He was still involved with the precursors to the patent office
withgroups of 'scientific minds' sharing ideas and gathering them in from
the 'common-folk' that came up with those ideas, but didn't know how to
read/write well enough to document them themselves.
> As for the 'mouse' books (mice helping Franklin, Paul Revere, etc) they're
> cute. They're kids books.
Are you trying to question the historical validity that Ben Franklin was
actually guided by a mouse living in his hat?
suzee
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:48:49 -0600, whodunit
> <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> It doesn't make the total length of daylight longer, however it
>>> makes the useful amount of daylight longer for most people.
>>>
>> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight to
>> work in the early 20th century?
>
> Farmers? What do farmers care? DST is for people who have some
> leisure time.
Exactly. Farmers are up before first light and sometimes work long after
dark if they need to, regardless of what the clock says.
Leigh Claffey
> "Leigh Claffey" <lcla...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Obveeus wrote:
>>> ...or if we wanted to take a serious look at Ben Franklin we could get
>>> into a discussion about how easy it would be to invent things if you got
>>> to work in/around the patent office...getting first look at everyone
>>> else's work.
>> Er, cart before the horse time here, I'm afraid. The first patent in the
>> US was not issued until 1790.
>
> Fair enough. He was still involved with the precursors to the patent office
> withgroups of 'scientific minds' sharing ideas and gathering them in from
> the 'common-folk' that came up with those ideas, but didn't know how to
> read/write well enough to document them themselves.
'sharing ideas and gathering them from the common folk"
Just like oh, say about 99 percent of the scientific minds of the period
did.
Nothing new there.
You really have to do more reading before you continue this.
By the 1700s the world was not as illiterate or lacking in street smarts
as you seem to think.
There's even question as to whether it ever really was, in the aggregate
at least.
If you don't I'm going to have to start handicapping myself.
But, no: that just makes me cranky.
So instead...
(shoves you out the door and tosses a foam brick at your head with the
words 'BAD CALL' on it)
Thank you for playing and here's a lovely parting gift!
(closes and locks door then folds it up into a small square and puts it
in my pocket.
Hmm... channeling my 'AU inner Rodney' fused with something out of Bugs
Bunny...
There is too much blood in my caffeine system.
(wanders off looking for a nice hot cup of tea)
--Leigh
The Doctor
Dragon Lady <dragon...@q.com> wrote:
>
Nice to see you again.
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Obveeus
"Leigh Claffey" <lcla...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:F4Cdnbew6bjroWXX...@giganews.com...
> Obveeus wrote:
>> "Leigh Claffey" <lcla...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Obveeus wrote:
>>>> ...or if we wanted to take a serious look at Ben Franklin we could get
>>>> into a discussion about how easy it would be to invent things if you
>>>> got to work in/around the patent office...getting first look at
>>>> everyone else's work.
>>> Er, cart before the horse time here, I'm afraid. The first patent in
>>> the US was not issued until 1790.
>>
>> Fair enough. He was still involved with the precursors to the patent
>> office withgroups of 'scientific minds' sharing ideas and gathering them
>> in from the 'common-folk' that came up with those ideas, but didn't know
>> how to read/write well enough to document them themselves.
>
> 'sharing ideas and gathering them from the common folk"
> Just like oh, say about 99 percent of the scientific minds of the period
> did.
> Nothing new there.
Was 'anything new' suggested? Did I make any claim that what he was doing
was different than what other 'intellectuals' were doing in his time? Did I
even make any claim that companies aren't try to do the same things still
today when they can get away with it? Nope. Nice try, though.
TBerk
> Well, lots of guys do enjoy eating pie, so maybe he was trying to make
> friends?
This one follows your own screen name; Obvious'.
I wouldn't mind hijacking the whole thread on this one topic....
berk
TBerk
Dude, let it go. She folded up the door and tucked it in her pocket...
Adam H. Kerman
>jill wrote:
>> In article <071120090052285348%fort...@arctic.com.invalid>,
>> Super-Menace <Super-Menace> wrote:
>>> In article <4af4fdd3$0$1619$742e...@news.sonic.net>, Dimensional
>>> Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anthony Buckland wrote:
>>>>> news:hd1cvn$h5u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> work in the early 20th century?
>>>>> That certainly seems to have been the case in Canada, but think
>>>>> how much simpler things would have been if farmers were simply
>>>>> encouraged to adjust their work days. I mean, exactly how
>>>>> desperate _were_ early 20th century farmers to get their kids
>>>>> home from school one hour out of sync with the government's
>>>>> concepts of the official day?
>>>>>
>>>> factory workers more daylight to get to and from their jobs.
>>>
>>> Wrong war. DST was instituted by Congress in 1918, but was so
>>> unpopular with farmers that it was repealed the following year. DST
>>> went into effect again during WW2. In most places DST went year-round
>>> as "War Time," so the clocks were set two hours ahead in summer instead
>>> of one, and were set one hour ahead the rest of the year. Regular DST
>>> was allowed to stay in effect after the war. Farmers no longer had the
>>> political power in Congress to stop DST after WW2.
>>
>> Arizona
>> and Indiana do NOT follow DST and stay on 'regular' time year round. I
>> don't know about other states, but I'm sure about those two.
>> because it is close to Chicago and wants to stay in sync with it for
>> business reasons.
>>
>> In the case of Indiana at least, I was told that the majority of
>> people in that state are more agriculturally oriented and disagree
>> with DST.
>
>
>eastern and central time zones.
Indiana has always been divided into Eastern and Central time zones, but
it did not used to observe Daylight time in the Eastern time zone area.
It does now.
So in the summer, much of the Eastern time zone portion of Indiana is on
close to double Daylight time, given that it's west of the 15 degree band
of longitude that Eastern time is based on.
Anthony Buckland
>
> ...
> Are you trying to question the historical validity that Ben Franklin was
> actually guided by a mouse living in his hat?
>
Rat. With excellent taste in food.
Dimensional Traveler
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:02:45 -0500, in alt.tv.stargate-sg1, peachy ashie passion
> <exquisi...@hotmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... Obveeus wrote:
> ... > "peachy ashie passion" <exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ... >> clouddreamer wrote:
> ... >>> Nah. Animlfukr just can't stand women that know more than he does.
> ... >> No, that can't be it. I know more than him often, and he's never
> ... >> cranky with me.
> ... >
> ... > Well, there was that time he threatened to skin you alive.
> ... >
> ... >
> ...
> ... And put me in a pie.
>
> Peach pie?
>
> ...
> ... I'm never entirely sure how to take those comments, no matter who
> ... makes them
>
>
> =====
> It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does.
Except the French people. :)
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Adam H. Kerman
>Anim8rFSK wrote:
>> In article <ZISdnYqYaMzis2vX...@giganews.com>,
>>> Indiana finally rolled over a couple of years ago, and follows DST now.
>>> I'm from there, now living one state north, and it was always a pain
>>> trying to remember what time it was 'back home'. Yes, I hate DST as much
>>> as anyone, but if you are going to do it, everyone should do it, and all
>>> countries should follow the same start/stop dates. It is a major pain
>>> twice a year trying to keep track of local time for all the far-away
>>> people I have to deal with at work and in my personal life.
>>
>> Then nobody should do it. Going along with a bunch of people doing the
>> wrong thing isn't the right thing to do.
>>
>happen, making everyone do the stupid thing in the same way would make
>life easier.
Actually, it would make my life a hell of a lot easier if everybody used
Greenwich Time. Then I'd not have to reset my watch when traveling east
or west.
Adam H. Kerman
>
>"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:ANIM8Rfsk-A8BDB...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
>> In article <hd43a8$gvh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "clouddreamer" <Reuse....@nd.Reduce.now> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Obveeus wrote:
>>> >> Air conditioning? I thought it was simply a matter of the Arizonans
>>> >> having the good sense not to diddle pointlessly with their clocks.
>>> >
>>> > Actually, the guy that originally pushed through the exemption was
>>> > owner
>>> > of a lot of drive-in movie theatres and was losing money because it
>>> > wasn't
>>> > getting dark until after 10 pm with DST.
>>>
>>> An interesting factoid, indeed.
>>>
>>> BTW, with the recent clock adjustment, where is Anim8rFSK to complain
>>> about
>>> the TV/cable guides being wrong? I thought that that was a yearly
>>> tradition.
>>
>> They were only screwed up for a day this time, far as I could tell.
>
>See, modern technology is getting better. Next up, a microwave that can
>brown toast: 'Convection microwave'.
Uh, those have been on the market for a couple of decades. Same box with
two different heating elements. Sure would use a hell of a lot of electricity
to toast one piece of bread.
Obveeus
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in message
news:hdaa76$t21$5...@news.albasani.net...
Um...yeah...that was the point. I was making fun of modern
technology...like the microwave oven that toasts bread.
Anim8rFSK
i won't do that, but I'll consider Zulu time like on JAG.
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:hd9fdv$1fm$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <hd86dt$1m9o$1...@news.telesweet.net>,
> Dragon Lady <dragon...@q.com> wrote:
>>
>
>
> Nice to see you again.
Hey, Doc! How's it going?
Dragon Lady
excellent taste in food too?
The Doctor
Dragon Lady <dragon...@q.com> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:hd9fdv$1fm$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <hd86dt$1m9o$1...@news.telesweet.net>,
>> Dragon Lady <dragon...@q.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>> Nice to see you again.
>
>Hey, Doc! How's it going?
>
>
I am all right but scumbags like Alan Sailsbury, john smith and
Stephen Wilson are around. Stil PAP seems to keep them at bay.
Anim8rFSK
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Hahahaha
>
> (For those who don't know, it's the same thing.)
>
> Didja ever notice that they were careless with Zulu, that they showed the
> sun shining on the JAG headquarters in the Washington Navy Yard without
> adjusting Eastern Time to Zulu Time?
I think they had 2 shots of the exterior, 1 for day and 1 for night,
but, yeah.