When "Star Trek" lost its way
RichA
dialog in STNG with Enterprise. Picard would discuss philosophy or
music with Data or Q while Archer talked baby-talk to his dog!!
What a drop in quality! I think this turned some fans off (it did me)
which explains in-part why ratings dropped with each new show.
Extravagan
Nonsense. The only ones prone to philosophy and Shakespeare was Picard
and, to a lesser extent, Sisko. Kirk, Archer, and Janeway were all more
action-oriented. But Kirk was in the very first show! If your theory
were correct, Kirk, Janeway, and Archer would have to have been in the
last three and Picard (and thus ST:TNG) would have to have been first.
Sheesh.
There was some Shakespeare-quoting in Kirk-era Star Trek, but it
frequently tended to be spouted by the *bad guys*. Kodos, General Chang,
and others.
(The other really noticeably recurring one is Melville. Picard and Khan
both quoted from Moby-Dick, and others have referenced it (Lily in
ST:First Contact, for one). Melville is conspicuously absent from the
one with the whales though. There are also several episodes of the
original series that have the theme of a ship captain obsessed by some
creature that hurt it, leading to more destruction -- notably Obsession,
where the captain in question is Kirk himself, and The Doomsday Machine,
where it's Commodore Decker. In the latter, Spock at one point notes
that Decker's obsession resulted in a "wrecked ship and a dead crew",
circumstances reminiscent of the ending of Moby-Dick, where the Pequod
is also wrecked and the crew is also killed with the exception of one
single survivor -- though in Moby-Dick the survivor is not the obsessed
captain, whereas in The Doomsday Machine he is.)
RichA
> RichA wrote:
> > When their captains stopped quoting Shakespeare. Compare the level of
> > dialog in STNG with Enterprise. Picard would discuss philosophy or
> > music with Data or Q while Archer talked baby-talk to his dog!!
> > What a drop in quality! I think this turned some fans off (it did me)
> > which explains in-part why ratings dropped with each new show.
>
> Nonsense. The only ones prone to philosophy and Shakespeare was Picard
> and, to a lesser extent, Sisko. Kirk, Archer, and Janeway were all more
> action-oriented. But Kirk was in the very first show! If your theory
> were correct, Kirk, Janeway, and Archer would have to have been in the
> last three and Picard (and thus ST:TNG) would have to have been first.
>
> Sheesh.
>
Shakespeare was merely one example. There were plenty of references
to great Western writers in the original. Action, lack of intelligent
dialog systematically killed the shows.
Ubiquitous
>Shakespeare was merely one example. There were plenty of references
>to great Western writers in the original.
Ah, yes, Ye Olde Star Trek Troika!
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