ATWT Oakdale Confiential
Barbara Wolfe
to know, first of all, how a book was published in such a short amount
of time.
But mostly I want to know where Lucinda got her lawyer from. It has to have
been one of her interns who is specializing in some bizarre sort of
arcane area
of the law and knows nothing about the real world.
There is no way they could get away with using those photos without
permission,
and I don't care how dim Katie is, how is the world supposed to know
that she
is using Mike's name but not his real past. Also, did we know that he
had been
in prison years ago? I have no recollection of this. If I were in that
book, I'd sue.
Why would Mike just accept as normal that a woman would give him a suitcase
full of rubies, ask him to hide them and then not come back for almost
20 years?
(or however long it's been). Even someone as airheaded as Mike should
find that
one a little iffy.
Barbara
KC
wrote:
>I got behind again, somehow, and am now up to about a week ago. I'd love
>to know, first of all, how a book was published in such a short amount
>of time.
Katie said something about writing it while Mike was gone to keep
busy, but yes, it does seem pretty fast!
>But mostly I want to know where Lucinda got her lawyer from. It has to have
>been one of her interns who is specializing in some bizarre sort of
>arcane area
>of the law and knows nothing about the real world.
I'm lost now, I don't know what plot point you're referring to.
>There is no way they could get away with using those photos without
>permission,
You're right, no friggin way. You can't even enter a picture in most
photo competitions without permissions.
>and I don't care how dim Katie is, how is the world supposed to know
>that she
>is using Mike's name but not his real past.
She could have easily done what Blak on GL does, use names that are
similar to the real ones.
> Also, did we know that he
>had been
>in prison years ago? I have no recollection of this. If I were in that
>book, I'd sue.
I don't thinkthis was something we knew. We did know that Mike had a
troubled childhood and a problem with authority, maybe even some petty
legal stuff, but prison time, no, I think that's new.
>
>Why would Mike just accept as normal that a woman would give him a suitcase
>full of rubies, ask him to hide them and then not come back for almost
>20 years?
>(or however long it's been). Even someone as airheaded as Mike should
>find that
>one a little iffy.
>
>Barbara
Well, um, his "head" was full of something, but it wasn't air. Young,
horny, thought the girl loved him or something. I think by the time
he finished putting the rubies in the wall, he was hoping he would
never hear from her again. IIRC, he wasn't living in the Milltown
house (which has moved from the next rown over to down the street from
Java, apparently). Wasn't he living in the garage or someplace and
then he later went to check out the Milltown house and told Ro that it
was the house he grew up in, or something like that?
KC
prisi
run down and dusty. He remodeled the house like it is now. His brother and
sister moved in with him. They left town one by one and then he left. I am
not sure whether he sold the house or rented the house to Jack and Carley.
Don't remember no Jail or trouble .
RacerX
Jack bought the house at some point. He even lived there while he was
married to Julia (the crazy one, not the dead one).
Barbara Wolfe
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:07:02 GMT, Barbara Wolfe <bev...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I got behind again, somehow, and am now up to about a week ago. I'd love
>> to know, first of all, how a book was published in such a short amount
>> of time.
>
> Katie said something about writing it while Mike was gone to keep
> busy, but yes, it does seem pretty fast!
takes almost
a year normally. Dana would have some idea, although
nonfiction and
fiction are two different beasts, I think.
>
>> But mostly I want to know where Lucinda got her lawyer from. It has to have
>> been one of her interns who is specializing in some bizarre sort of
>> arcane area of the law and knows nothing about the real world.
>
> I'm lost now, I don't know what plot point you're referring to.
The next sentence about using photos without permission.
Lawyers should/
would know that.
>
>> There is no way they could get away with using those photos without
>> permission,
>
> You're right, no friggin way. You can't even enter a picture in most
> photo competitions without permissions.
>
>> and I don't care how dim Katie is, how is the world supposed to know
>> that she is using Mike's name but not his real past.
>> Also, did we know that he had been in prison years ago? I have no recollection of this.
>> If I were in that book, I'd sue.
>
> I don't thinkthis was something we knew. We did know that Mike had a
> troubled childhood and a problem with authority, maybe even some petty
> legal stuff, but prison time, no, I think that's new.
Okay, that's on my side. <g>
>> Why would Mike just accept as normal that a woman would give him a suitcase
>> full of rubies, ask him to hide them and then not come back for almost
>> 20 years? (or however long it's been). Even someone as airheaded as Mike should
>> find that one a little iffy.
>>
>> Barbara
>
> Well, um, his "head" was full of something, but it wasn't air. Young,
> horny, thought the girl loved him or something. I think by the time
> he finished putting the rubies in the wall, he was hoping he would
> never hear from her again. IIRC, he wasn't living in the Milltown
> house (which has moved from the next rown over to down the street from
> Java, apparently).
I think Milltown is the 'poor' part of Oakdale. And the house that
Jack and Carly live in is the one where Mike grew up. He left home and
lived over Sparky's because of family problems.
Barbara
Donna B
<aUS2g.6560$HC3.3090@trnddc07>, Barbara Wolfe <bev...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I got behind again, somehow, and am now up to about a week ago. I'd love
> to know, first of all, how a book was published in such a short amount
> of time.
We don't really have any idea how long it was in process.
> But mostly I want to know where Lucinda got her lawyer from. It has to have
> been one of her interns who is specializing in some bizarre sort of
> arcane area
> of the law and knows nothing about the real world.
Has Lucinda ever published books before? It's not the same as publishing a
newspaper.
> There is no way they could get away with using those photos without
> permission,
> and I don't care how dim Katie is, how is the world supposed to know
> that she
> is using Mike's name but not his real past.
I presume that's why the repetition of its being entirely a work of fiction.
> Also, did we know that he
> had been
> in prison years ago? I have no recollection of this. If I were in that
> book, I'd sue.
I guess someone might try to, but it would just increase the publicity for
it.
> Why would Mike just accept as normal that a woman would give him a suitcase
> full of rubies, ask him to hide them and then not come back for almost
> 20 years?
I didn't, at all, get the impression that he found it at all normal.
The book premise requires suspension of disbelief, just like most of the
business stuff of many shows, all soaps, etc.
--
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Donna B
<NkV2g.5679$ww6.2164@trnddc05>, RacerX
<sooper*REMOVE_NO_SPAM*st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jack bought the house at some point. He even lived there while he was
> married to Julia (the crazy one, not the dead one).
Where did Julia (not Larraby, the dead one) rape him? Was it there in his
house?
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"Many people hear voices when no one is there. Some of them are called mad
and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are
called writers and they do pretty much the same thing." - Meg Chittenden
KC
<shall...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs on Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:54:05 GMT in Msg.#
><NkV2g.5679$ww6.2164@trnddc05>, RacerX
><sooper*REMOVE_NO_SPAM*st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jack bought the house at some point. He even lived there while he was
>> married to Julia (the crazy one, not the dead one).
>
>Where did Julia (not Larraby, the dead one) rape him? Was it there in his
>house?
Oh, you betcha. I'd have sold that place, but as a viewer, I'm glad
it's still around, because I LOVE that set. The front door alone
gives me the vapors.
KC
KC
wrote:
>KC wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:07:02 GMT, Barbara Wolfe <bev...@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I got behind again, somehow, and am now up to about a week ago. I'd love
>>> to know, first of all, how a book was published in such a short amount
>>> of time.
>>
>> Katie said something about writing it while Mike was gone to keep
>> busy, but yes, it does seem pretty fast!
> My understanding, from my years in a bookstore, is that it
>takes almost
> a year normally. Dana would have some idea, although
>nonfiction and
> fiction are two different beasts, I think.
I wonder what this book is classified as, as far as Oakdale goes.
>>
>>> But mostly I want to know where Lucinda got her lawyer from. It has to have
>>> been one of her interns who is specializing in some bizarre sort of
>>> arcane area of the law and knows nothing about the real world.
>>
>> I'm lost now, I don't know what plot point you're referring to.
> The next sentence about using photos without permission.
>Lawyers should/
> would know that.
Gotcha. Yes, and given that the book contains the names of actual
people in Oakdale, you'd think Lucinda would want to be very careful.
I recall when Milltown was first introduced, it was where you went to
get a doctor's appointment where nobody would know. It was working
class, but seemed like a separate town from Oakdale, not just a
section with a name, like Tribeca or SoHo or something.
Isn't Katie's cottage in Milltown as well? I remember she and Simon
talked about how far out it was.
Yes, Jack and Carly's house in the one Mike grew up in. I mean that
he wasn't living there when we first met him and hadn't lived there in
a long time. To fit this story in with his original story, we could
assume that he stashed the rubies, left that house and didn't go back
until we met him. Walked away from all of that and moved to Sparky's
and started a new life.
KC
Phyllis Stone
"KC" <cmk...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Oh, you betcha. I'd have sold that place, but as a viewer, I'm glad
> it's still around, because I LOVE that set. The front door alone
> gives me the vapors.
>
> KC
Jack and Carly's house is a perfect example of Arts and Craft houses. They
are getting more and more popular. I love Katy's house and want a front door
just like that one. Since we don't have rounded door openings it wouldn't be
the same.
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maybe they paid to have it published themselves, don't know how long that
would take either. Beck
SarahE
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> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs on Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:54:05 GMT in Msg.#
> <NkV2g.5679$ww6.2164@trnddc05>, RacerX
> <sooper*REMOVE_NO_SPAM*st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jack bought the house at some point. He even lived there while he was
>> married to Julia (the crazy one, not the dead one).
>
> Where did Julia (not Larraby, the dead one) rape him? Was it there in his
> house?
>
No, it was in Carly's apartment at Oakdale Courts. Remember, she put on
Carly's negligee and her perfume. This was while Carly was at the "spa"
correct? She and Jack were getting back together, but then she never
returned from Paris. That's why she still had her apartment with all her
stuff.
Julia did hold him hostage at the house, chained to the bed. That's where
Mitzi found him and tried to help. Julia moved him to Carly's as she was
about to be caught, did the deed, and then Craig found them.
SarahE
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what is an arts and craft house?? a house that the owners have filled with
their own artwork or craft work?? Beck
KC
An arts and crafts house is one that full of crafty crap. An "Arts and
Crafts" house is one of a particular architectural style.
Think Mission style, or Mission Oak (every chain furniture store
carries something in this style), Stickley, Craftsman bungalows. Frank
Lloyd Wright's Prairie style houses were an offshoot of this.
Carly and Jack's place is a classic A&C, with all of that oak,
flooring, paneling, the green leaf wallpaper (an authentic A&C color
scheme), the style of the front door and window panes. If you ever
saw Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Buffy's house was a great example of
A&C, very similar to Carly's.
To give you a VERY fast and loose description, the Arts and Crafts
movement had its heyday from about 1890-1925, in Europe and in the US.
Understand that all of the Victorian frou-frou had been popular and
the machine age was pumping out mass produced crap, so the Arts and
Crafts movement was a push to return to craftsmanship, where you used
real wood, heavy stuff, and didn't fancy the hell out of it. There
was a whole philosophy of living involved, as well, a appreciation of
wood and metal in a more natural form, with art and poetry in the mix
as well.
In Buffalo, where I lived for 20 years, the Roycroft campus was an art
colony where people like Frank Lloyd Wright hung around and famous
artists painted and threw pots and had deep discussions about all of
it while sitting on the Roycroft Restaurant's lovely veranda, rocking
in chairs and having a cigar. I'm going to weep, just missing that
place since moving to Florida.
The Roycrofters motto was "A belief in working with the head, hand and
heart and mixing enough play with the work so that every task is
pleasurable and makes for health and happiness". What a recipe for
life!
KC
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thank for the lesson, KC, but it is still all greek to me, my house is
filled with real art work by most of the family. Beck
JBri...@aol.com
When we first met Mike, he was on probation after a term in
jail/prison. He said he had been set up by an ex-girlfriend for a
robbery. You probably remember that when he wanted to race Ludie-Belle
in Florida, his crooked parole officer was going to turn him in for
leaving the area. He and Rosanna found dirt on the guy, and got him off
their tail.
And, just to add to the very fine description of an A&C house, that
wallpaper in Jack and Carly's living room is a William Morris design.
William Morris was the creator of the A&C movement in England. (I have
Morris wallpaper in my kitchen, and my decor is A&C. Now, I just have
to BUY an Arts&Crafts house, LOL).
KC
wrote:
When we started to rebuild our house, I wanted an A&C design, but DH
doesn't like them. To think I married that guy! So many A&C
bungalows fall into a bad state (being so old), that the style makes
him think "dump" rather than "jewel". So, we went French Eclectic,
with no comment from him about the French. Imagine that!
Anyway, I think this is Jack and Carly's wallpaper:
http://charlesrupert.com/williammorris/wallpapers/standen.html
It's funny, I don't usually like patterns and Morris' are quite busy,
but there's something so timeless about them. Truly ahead of their
time. I'm also not a fan of oak, ok, it nearly makes me break out in
a sweat, I hate it that much. But, A&C oak is somehow another thing
entirely. There's a huge difference between some crappy 80's light
oak kitchen and a rich A&C piece in quarter-sawn oak.
Since you're a Morris fan, you'll like this one. Lane Furniture had
an ad for a big sale and they showed this Morris chair recliner:
http://lanefurniture.com/products/ProdInfoDet2.asp?MasterNo=7561
I walked into the store and asked the saleslady to direct me to the
Morris chair recliner. No idea what I was talking about. I found it
and told her this was it. "Oh, the mission chair!" Regardless of her
lack of knowledge about furniture, shameful since she's trying to make
a living selling it, I bought it in rich, brown leather. And a
library-style bookcase with glass doors to match.
All recliners are the result of the Morris chair. All Morris chairs
are not mission or Stickley styles. The first one, made by Morris'
company (though not designed by him) in 1866 has side spindles that
were turned wood, but the straight wood slats that most people think
of came along in the early 1910s and stuck.
Morris had a tremendous influence. If you love poetry, stained glass,
fabric and pattern and Art Nouveau designs, or social and political
movements, look into Morris.
KC