Y&R NuMac
Diva
from her wooden debut and is doing a good job.
Diva
Jim Sumner
She's hot
Georgia Girl
Except for those hideous eyebrows.
Tony Cianfaglione
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Georgia Girl wrote:
> Except for those hideous eyebrows.
You talking hideous eyebrows - how's about those caterpillers over
Ashley's eyes in Vic's flashbacks?
queenie
I liked her from the very beginning.
Dave
"queenie" <que...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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For some strange reason the hair extensions make a difference. I do think
Billy Abbott/Miller eclipses her when they share scenes though.
Dave - Toronto
Rthrquiet
> For some strange reason the hair extensions make a difference. I do think
> Billy Abbott/Miller eclipses her when they share scenes though.
Well, Billy Miller is really an exceptional young actor, and it would
be surprising--though not impossible, of course--if they could
consistently cast young roles with people of his caliber.
I think nuMac does quite well, on the whole.
Michael
record hunter
WMS
Dave
"Rthrquiet" <rthr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 29, 5:22 pm, "Dave" <nomorecroc...@infinity.net> wrote:
> For some strange reason the hair extensions make a difference. I do think
> Billy Abbott/Miller eclipses her when they share scenes though.
Well, Billy Miller is really an exceptional young actor, and it would
be surprising--though not impossible, of course--if they could
consistently cast young roles with people of his caliber.
---
He really is someone special, isn't he!!?? He has been my favorite
character/actor on the show since he showed up last year (overtaking
Michael/CLB who used to be my fave). Billy pretty much out performs
everyone (he has soooo much damn charm!!!).
> I think nuMac does quite well, on the whole.
I think she is fine now. I do often wonder if her hair still fake though.
Dave - Toronto
Cheri
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Yes, he does. She looks really mousy and no spark when he's around.
Cheri
Rthrquiet
> "Rthrquiet" <rthrqu...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:db1ed9c4-ccf6-4950...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 29, 5:22 pm, "Dave" <nomorecroc...@infinity.net> wrote:
>
> > For some strange reason the hair extensions make a difference. I do think
> > Billy Abbott/Miller eclipses her when they share scenes though.
>
> Well, Billy Miller is really an exceptional young actor, and it would
> be surprising--though not impossible, of course--if they could
> consistently cast young roles with people of his caliber.
>
> ---
>
> He really is someone special, isn't he!!??
A soap critic once pointed out, long ago, that there are certain
performers who exude something that automatically makes you root for
the character they are portraying, almost no matter what the character
does. Young Mr. Miller has that in spades. Billy Abbott is, frankly, a
mess, and more than a bit of a brat, but Billy Miller gives him such a
winning turn that he's not nearly as infuriating or annoying as he
ought to be; in fact, I generally want him to get what he wants even
when I know he really doesn't deserve to.
Michael
chicagofan
>> Well, Billy Miller is really an exceptional young actor, and it would
>> be surprising--though not impossible, of course--if they could
>> consistently cast young roles with people of his caliber.
>> ---
>>
>> He really is someone special, isn't he!!??
>>
> A soap critic once pointed out, long ago, that there are certain
> performers who exude something that automatically makes you root for
> the character they are portraying, almost no matter what the character
> does. Young Mr. Miller has that in spades. Billy Abbott is, frankly, a
> mess, and more than a bit of a brat, but Billy Miller gives him such a
> winning turn that he's not nearly as infuriating or annoying as he
> ought to be; in fact, I generally want him to get what he wants even
> when I know he really doesn't deserve to.
>
> Michael
>
That's how fans felt about him on AMC too, and he was even less
deserving in that role. :) LOL...It was amazing. I like him better on
Y&R, this role really suits him, I think. However, as you said. he can
make any role interesting.
bj
Cheri
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I really like the actor, though the character is becoming less than likeable
to me, and it makes no sense to me that he would go after Victoria that way.
Nothing like buying and finalizing a magazine sale within a couple of days,
and running an expose on Victor the next day to make the story really
believable. :-)
Cheri
chicagofan
> "chicagofan"<m...@privacy.net> wrote
>
>> That's how fans felt about him on AMC too, and he was even less deserving
>> in that role. :) LOL...It was amazing. I like him better on Y&R, this
>> role really suits him, I think. However, as you said. he can make any
>> role interesting.
>> bj
>>
> I really like the actor, though the character is becoming less than likeable
> to me, and it makes no sense to me that he would go after Victoria that way.
> Nothing like buying and finalizing a magazine sale within a couple of days,
> and running an expose on Victor the next day to make the story really
> believable. :-)
>
> Cheri
>
I haven't been watching long enough now to know this character. I've
just been enjoying Billy's spit fights with Chloe. ;) They are like
two children in the playground, constantly daring each other to "top
this". :)
I probably won't like him as a publisher.
BTW, Cheri... I finally took B&B off my DVR. I had been FF through all
but 5 or 10 mins. for months, and finally decided it was just a waste of
space. Bill and his sock puppet Katie running Forrester was the last
gasp for me. ;) Did you say you had stopped checking in on Fridays?
bj
record hunter
> I really like the actor, though the character is becoming less than likeable
> to me, and it makes no sense to me that he would go after Victoria that way.
> Nothing like buying and finalizing a magazine sale within a couple of days,
> and running an expose on Victor the next day to make the story really
> believable. :-)
I laugh anew at the ridiculous timing of this storyline.
Cheri
> BTW, Cheri... I finally took B&B off my DVR. I had been FF through all
> but 5 or 10 mins. for months, and finally decided it was just a waste of
> space. Bill and his sock puppet Katie running Forrester was the last gasp
> for me. ;) Did you say you had stopped checking in on Fridays?
> bj
I had set it to only record on Fridays, but watched a bit more when
Stephanie had the stroke, but that quickly turned into the same ol, same ol
too, and then the baby nonsense with Owen started, so I went back to
Fridays, but FF'd through most of it today. I'm pretty close to killing it
for good myself.:-)
Cheri
Cheri
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I really hope that they're not going to do the same thing to Billy that they
did to Adam (one of the biggest wastes of a character I have ever seen)
They're moving too fast with unlikely things IMO.
Cheri
Jaie
Well, this is how they've always conducted business on Y&R. As an M&A
attorney, I can assure you that it would NEVER happen with that kind
of haste or shoddiness. Nor would ANYONE give a check first before
having the business reviewed and all the papers signed (oh wait, our
government does that now for the banks, right). Nor would any buyer
be stupid to leave himself vulnerable to eviction by a hostile
landlord.
Jaie
> from her wooden debut and is doing a good job.
I don't like her. It's probably difficult to seem interesting playing
a do-gooder, but I have yet to meet one as dead and lifeless as she
is. Every time she and Chloe share a scene, I imagine how much better
the actress playing Chloe would've been in the role of Mac.
And what the hell is up with her running to Kevin of all people for
"advice" on Billy? She knows that Kevin hates Billy. Does she really
expect that he can be fair and objective? Loved Billy's "reminders"
to Kevin today of his nefarious past.
record hunter
I didn't even think about how stupid it was of Billy from the landlord/
eviction standpoint until Nick kicked him out. I'd like to think
that's indicative of Billy's character, but it's more likely just lazy
plotting.
record hunter
I loved that, too. It really rescued the "Restless Style in Exile at
Jimmy's" motif. As far as Mac's turning to Kevin, I thought that was
actually a nice touch. We go to people for advice, I believe,
according to the answer we want to hear. Who better to remind Mac of
what an asshole Billy is than Kevin?
Jaie
>
> I loved that, too. It really rescued the "Restless Style in Exile at
> Jimmy's" motif. As far as Mac's turning to Kevin, I thought that was
> actually a nice touch. We go to people for advice, I believe,
> according to the answer we want to hear. Who better to remind Mac of
> what an asshole Billy is than Kevin?
I suppose, but on what planet is Kevin (the arsonist, would-be murder,
the thief, the cyber criminal, corporate saboteur, etc.) in a position
to judge Billy an asshole? Billy hit on Jena back in the early days
and talks a little trash--all valid, frankly--toward Kevin, who has
been a bona-fide villaine and has NEVER been nice or good to Billy or
to any other member of the Abbott family.
If Mac really wants advice, she could just as easily have turned to
J.T., who actually knows Billy, but could also be fair and
thoughtful. Of course, then she'd probably have to hear J.T. tell her
that Billy was totally within his rights to go after the guy who got
Colleen killed.
I find it interesting that Mac is so willing to overlook every
criminal flaw in Kevin, but she finds Billy's righteous indignation
toward Victor somehow inappropriate.
record hunter
But you see, I love Kevin. I never saw him do all the things he did,
so it's as if they never happened. The first time I saw him, he had
just gotten beat up (raped, I think they were going for) in prison,
and I just felt so sorry for him.
And I've never met an Abbott I liked. Not a one. They're just a bunch
of palace poodles who barely deserve to breathe air. Really, until
this Victor flashback, I never thought of him as a worse person than
Jack Abbott, whom I continue to loathe, hate, and despise.
Diva
Isn't Kevin a radio rodent version of Ann Landers?
Diva
Niki
> That's how fans felt about him on AMC too, and he was even less
> deserving in that role. :) LOL...It was amazing. I like him better on
> Y&R, this role really suits him, I think. However, as you said. he can
> make any role interesting.
I like him. I agree with Michael's assessment too. He has the "it" factor.
--
Niki
Jaie
> But you see, I love Kevin. I never saw him do all the things he did,
> so it's as if they never happened. The first time I saw him, he had
> just gotten beat up (raped, I think they were going for) in prison,
> and I just felt so sorry for him.
Yes, but you know of his history, right? And he should know his own
history, right? I probably wouldn't despise him so much if he and all
his friends -- all criminals -- weren't so bent on looking down on
Billy, who is a little flaky and has a history of womanizing (though
apparently the women got some joy out of that too), but has never done
anything remotely evil. I still remember when Amber cheated on Billy,
SHE treated him poorly afterward, as if he'd been the villain in that
relationship.
> And I've never met an Abbott I liked. Not a one. They're just a bunch
> of palace poodles who barely deserve to breathe air. Really, until
> this Victor flashback, I never thought of him as a worse person than
> Jack Abbott, whom I continue to loathe, hate, and despise.
The Abbotts may be rich palace poodles, but I've always seen them as
dedicated to their family, company and great product. The reasons
I've always rooted for the Abbotts is that they're forever the
underdogs in the war with the Newmans. The Newmans, though, never
come up with an idea on their own. They just let their money do the
talking. Every time, Jabot comes up with an idea or hires someone
brilliant, the Newmans steal or copy the idea or hire the person away
by throwing in a few extra zeros. Every Newman (other than Victor)
who has earned any kind of reputation in business got that experience
working for John/Jack -- not Victor. Even Sharon had to start at
Jabot before Nick would take her seriously. And Jabot is perpetually
on the verge of bankruptcy, often because of Newman underhandedness.
I don't remember for sure what the origin of the feud with Victor is,
but the earliest thing I remember is this. Victor took Nikki to the
annual charity ball and had to leave early. An auction started and
someone offered $5000 if Nikki would strip. Then someone doubled the
offer. Nikki looked nervous and then looked as if she was going to do
it. Then Jack steps in and offers her $15,000 NOT to strip. For
whatever reason, Victor went ballistic when he learned that Jack
intervened. I remember at the time thinking Victor would've been
grateful. But no. Of course not.
Anyway, if you're going to talk about Palace Poodles, the only Newman
who doesn't fit that bill is Victor. Adam, too, but he wasn't raised
a Newman.
Shirl
> The Newmans, though, never
> come up with an idea on their own.
Do you remember when Victoria kissed the bottle and her lip-print
became the logo for Brash & Sassy? Unless I'm mistaken, she named it,
too, didn't she?
But I agree re the rest. The feud was even sort of dormant for a while
when Victor overheard that Jack put in a bid for Tuvia, I think (?).
For NO logical reason whatsoever other than just to stick it to Jack,
Victor out-bid him. There had been NOTHING going on between them for
some time up to that point -- I remember thinking and saying it was a
welcome change that they had let what had become the ridiculous Jack/
Victor feud finally fade. I understood that they wanted to revive it,
but there was absolutely ZERO motivation or logic behind it other than
Victor being in the right place at the right time to overhear
something and taking advantage of the opportunity to shove the stick
in Jack's spokes. He mentioned having the "utmost respect" for John
Abbott. B.S.! He couldn't have cared less that every time he went
after Jack, he ended up hurting John, too.
Shirl
Jaie
> Do you remember when Victoria kissed the bottle and her lip-print
> became the logo for Brash & Sassy? Unless I'm mistaken, she named it,
> too, didn't she?
Yeah, I remember that. One little kiss and suddenly she got credit
for everything . . . and Neil and Ryan, both her superiors, were all
too happy to act as if Victor's daughter invented the fragrance. As
if any woman, even a teenager, is going to buy a perfume that she
doesn't love. Of course, Brash & Sassy was a Jabot line that
eventually "had" to be moved to Newman with the sale because it was
"Victoria's baby."
> But I agree re the rest. The feud was even sort of dormant for a while
> when Victor overheard that Jack put in a bid for Tuvia, I think (?).
> For NO logical reason whatsoever other than just to stick it to Jack,
> Victor out-bid him. There had been NOTHING going on between them for
> some time up to that point -- I remember thinking and saying it was a
> welcome change that they had let what had become the ridiculous Jack/
> Victor feud finally fade. I understood that they wanted to revive it,
> but there was absolutely ZERO motivation or logic behind it other than
> Victor being in the right place at the right time to overhear
> something and taking advantage of the opportunity to shove the stick
> in Jack's spokes.
I've never minded the feud per se. I just resent that Newman always
gets to win . . . based on what exactly? Superior thinking or
marketing or product? No. Newman didn't even think to go online
until after Jabot did, and then the solution was to steal Phyllis
away. Newman's most "creative" idea was to hire Michael to carry a
large briefcase of cash from store to store to sabotage Jabot's
product placement.
He mentioned having the "utmost respect" for John
> Abbott. B.S.! He couldn't have cared less that every time he went
> after Jack, he ended up hurting John, too.
To me this was always the lip service he gave because John always
refused to retaliate, the same lip service he now gives to Tracy. He
never had any respect for John. He just saw John as knowing his
place.
record hunter
> The Abbotts may be rich palace poodles, but I've always seen them as
> dedicated to their family, company and great product. The reasons
> I've always rooted for the Abbotts is that they're forever the
> underdogs in the war with the Newmans.
You're wasting your breath/time/keystrokes. I'm never going to like an
Abbott, any more than Q is going to like any of the Fishers.
record hunter
Ironically, perhaps, one of the reasons I've never liked the Abbotts
is because I could never understand why Ashley loved this man whose
raison d'etre was to ruin her family. It's a paradox, I realize. One
of the reasons I prefer Victor to Jack is because he's able to see, as
I see, that the Abbotts really aren't "good," though they have
apparently hoodwinked the rest of the universe into thinking they are.
This has never been a show about "good" and "evil." Rather, it's about
"evil" and "less evil" (or, depending on your P.O.V., "evil" and "more
evil"). The only emotional satisfaction for the viewer lies in
witnessing the exacting of revenge. It's never about the "good guy"
winning on this show, and for that reason, I never liked the show
until the Fishers came to town. And then the fuckwit "writers" ruined
them.
Cheri
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On Oct 31, 4:07 pm, Shirl <shinn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you remember when Victoria kissed the bottle and her lip-print
> became the logo for Brash & Sassy? Unless I'm mistaken, she named it,
> too, didn't she?
Yeah, I remember that. One little kiss and suddenly she got credit
for everything . . . and Neil and Ryan, both her superiors, were all
too happy to act as if Victor's daughter invented the fragrance. As
if any woman, even a teenager, is going to buy a perfume that she
doesn't love. Of course, Brash & Sassy was a Jabot line that
eventually "had" to be moved to Newman with the sale because it was
"Victoria's baby."
=========
And then she went from PR person to CEO of Forrester in a matter of days on
B&B. ;-)
Jaie
> I just remembered something.
>
> Ironically, perhaps, one of the reasons I've never liked the Abbotts
> is because I could never understand why Ashley loved this man whose
> raison d'etre was to ruin her family.
I could see why someone would hate Ashley for this, but any other
Abbott?
One
> of the reasons I prefer Victor to Jack is because he's able to see, as
> I see, that the Abbotts really aren't "good," though they have
> apparently hoodwinked the rest of the universe into thinking they are.
John was a very good man, and Tracy was a good woman. I don't think
anyone was hoodwinked on either of them. Jack is the first to admit
that he isn't a saint and that he should be more like his father.
He's also the first to apologize when someone else is in the wrong and
will even fail to defend himself against others' idiotic accusations
about his character, etc. Billy is basically Jack II in all
respects. Ashley is mostly a live-and-let-live kind of person. But
when she decides she wants something (i.e., Victor), she'll go for
it . . . but then she'll insist on beating herself up for the decision
and then rationalizes or absolves herself of guilt with BS like "your
relationship was over long before I got involved."
> This has never been a show about "good" and "evil." Rather, it's about
> "evil" and "less evil" (or, depending on your P.O.V., "evil" and "more
> evil"). The only emotional satisfaction for the viewer lies in
> witnessing the exacting of revenge. It's never about the "good guy"
> winning on this show, and for that reason, I never liked the show
> until the Fishers came to town.
Umm, the Fishers weren't "good guys" in any sense of the word, even
when they arrived -- and they always get to win (in the sense of
getting away with all manner of foolishness and evil), so I'm not sure
how this explanation helps you. Perhaps your real issue is about
class. Abbotts are "old" money by GC standards, whereas the Fishwins
started off poor. I could see how class struggle would be a reason to
root for the Fishwins . . . and maybe that's the reason for returning
Gloria to poverty, because she should be more sympathetic when she's
clawing her way back up. The problem for me is that the Fishwins just
gravitate toward evil too easily for me, all the while spouting
righteous indignation. If I want to watch unmitigated hypocrisy in
action, I'll watch politicians speak.
And then the fuckwit "writers" ruined
> them.
I don't know that the writers have "ruined" Kevin. He's not a creepy,
child predator anymore; just a creepy coffee-shop owner. And
Michael's not plowing through walls any more or offing exes (speaking
of any ancient storyline that should be resuscitated). Gloria, on the
other hand, is a clown. What's really idiotic is that they EVER had
Jill paired up with her . . . as if that would happen in any world.
Niki
> Jaie:
>> The Newmans, though, never
>> come up with an idea on their own.
>
> Do you remember when Victoria kissed the bottle and her lip-print
> became the logo for Brash & Sassy? Unless I'm mistaken, she named it,
> too, didn't she?
I remember that. That was quite awhile back. Victor was impressed IIRC.
--
Niki
Diva
Now that she kissed Deacon ( or was that spin the bottle) J.T.
Nikki, Nick and Victor are not impressed.
Diva
Diva
Jack Newhouse
<nomore...@infinity.net> wrote:
>
>"Rthrquiet" <rthr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>On Oct 29, 5:22 pm, "Dave" <nomorecroc...@infinity.net> wrote:
>
>> For some strange reason the hair extensions make a difference. I do think
>> Billy Abbott/Miller eclipses her when they share scenes though.
>
>Well, Billy Miller is really an exceptional young actor, and it would
>be surprising--though not impossible, of course--if they could
>consistently cast young roles with people of his caliber.
>
>---
>
>He really is someone special, isn't he!!?? He has been my favorite
>character/actor on the show since he showed up last year (overtaking
>Michael/CLB who used to be my fave). Billy pretty much out performs
>everyone (he has soooo much damn charm!!!).
>
>> I think nuMac does quite well, on the whole.
>
>I think she is fine now. I do often wonder if her hair still fake though.
>
>Dave - Toronto
For those of you who think the newMac is fwine! Here's why!
http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&sa=1&q=Cybil+shepards+daughter&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&start=0
Diva
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Georgia Girl wrote:
> > Except for those hideous eyebrows.
>
> You talking hideous eyebrows - how's about those caterpillers over
> Ashley's eyes in Vic's flashbacks?
You mean the ones like Brooke Shields' ?
Diva
Diva
Sh, quiet. Queenie ls liable to factor in the first two letters of
this sentence.
Diva
Diva
Sorry, I mistook the above for a comment about GR. So, not appropo.
Diva
Tony Cianfaglione
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Diva wrote:
>> You talking hideous eyebrows - how's about those caterpillers over
>> Ashley's eyes in Vic's flashbacks?
>
> You mean the ones like Brooke Shields' ?
And the Hemingway girls. Even Jennifer Connelly is sporting some
serious eye fur.
Diva
And Selma Hayek in "Frieda" an ear to ear fur stole!
Diva
Jack Newhouse
OMW!!
Mac is a nutty homosexual in real life! What a waste if lips and
posse!! :-(
Diva
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:23:14 -0600, Jack Newhouse
>
>
>
>
>
> <knowled...@charter.net> wrote:
> >On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:47:57 -0400, "Dave"
>
> >>"Rthrquiet" <rthrqu...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >>news:db1ed9c4-ccf6-4950...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> >>On Oct 29, 5:22 pm, "Dave" <nomorecroc...@infinity.net> wrote:
>
> >>> For some strange reason the hair extensions make a difference. I do think
> >>> Billy Abbott/Miller eclipses her when they share scenes though.
>
> >>Well, Billy Miller is really an exceptional young actor, and it would
> >>be surprising--though not impossible, of course--if they could
> >>consistently cast young roles with people of his caliber.
>
> >>---
>
> >>He really is someone special, isn't he!!?? He has been my favorite
> >>character/actor on the show since he showed up last year (overtaking
> >>Michael/CLB who used to be my fave). Billy pretty much out performs
> >>everyone (he has soooo much damn charm!!!).
>
> >>> I think nuMac does quite well, on the whole.
>
> >>I think she is fine now. I do often wonder if her hair still fake though.
>
> >>Dave - Toronto
>
> >For those of you who think the newMac is fwine! Here's why!
>
>
> OMW!!
>
> Mac is a nutty homosexual in real life! What a waste if lips and
> posse!! :-(
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ya2m83m
A soap is not real life.
Get a real life!
Diva
Niki
> On Oct 31, 10:32 am, Niki <nikib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I like him. I agree with Michael's assessment too. He has the "it" factor.
> Sh, quiet. Queenie ls liable to factor in the first two letters of
> this sentence.
As my brother would say, "that's nice".
--
Niki
Niki
> Sorry, I mistook the above for a comment about GR. So, not appropo.
I like him too. :)
--
Niki
Tony Cianfaglione
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Diva wrote:
> And Selma Hayek in "Frieda" an ear to ear fur stole!
ROFL
Dave
"Jack Newhouse" <knowl...@charter.net>
> Mac is a nutty homosexual in real life!
Old news. Besides, wtf does someone's sexual orientation have to do with
whether or not they are a good actor/actrerss??
> What a waste if lips and posse!! :-(
I'm sure her girlfriend doesn't think so.
Dave - Toronto
Rthrquiet
> "Jack Newhouse" <knowled...@charter.net>
>
> > Mac is a nutty homosexual in real life!
>
> Old news. Besides, wtf does someone's sexual orientation have to do with
> whether or not they are a good actor/actrerss??
Indeed. I was wondering that too.
I understood she was gay; why is she nutty?
(And Jack, the word you're looking for is "lesbian.")
> > What a waste if lips and posse!! :-(
>
> I'm sure her girlfriend doesn't think so.
And it's not as if Jack was going to be getting anywhere with her
anyway, so . . .
Michael
record hunter
> "Jack Newhouse" <knowled...@charter.net>
>
>
> Old news. Besides, wtf does someone's sexual orientation have to do with
> whether or not they are a good actor/actrerss??
>
> > What a waste if lips and posse!! :-(
>
> I'm sure her girlfriend doesn't think so.
>
> Dave - Toronto
Why are you people talking to Ignorance? This is one of his SPs. Ach.
Cheri
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Yep, it's *Knowledge.*
Cheri
DaleM...@aol.com
> On Oct 29, 4:45 am, Diva <c.fril...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Haven't seen any complaints about NuMac lately. I think she thawed out
> > from her wooden debut and is doing a good job.
>
> > Diva
>
> She's hot
She's ok looking. Kelly Kruger was a prettier Mac.
Diva
> I just remembered something.
>
> Ironically, perhaps, one of the reasons I've never liked the Abbotts
> is because I could never understand why Ashley loved this man whose
> raison d'etre was to ruin her family.
It was the same when the Montagues and Capulets were running rival
olive groves.
Diva
Jack Newhouse
wrote:
The problem with you all is that most of you are in Denial...and I'm
not talking about that big river in Africa either.
http://tinyurl.com/yjxph5h
Yes, if you would learn to read, you would know that I said "Mac is a
homosexual in REAL life." I didn't say she was one on the soaps.
I'm sure her ultrasexy mom is very disappointed about that. Just as
Cher was devastated when she saw what Chastity was turning into.
You Teabaggers are really nuts and dangerous to boot!
If I said the sun rises in the East and sets in the West across
american, the majority of you dummies would still find fault with
that.
You Teabaggers, neocon Republicans and other conservative whack jobs,
includes many Democrats as well, come to the table with your own set
of facts, that don't hold up to scrutiny. Yet when you are presented
with known truths from experts you continue to hold dear the lies you
have been taught about African americans.
I read a story a few days ago that perfectly describes the mental
illness from which most of you all suffer.
It said that only 1 out of 49 people like you all are able to change
your viewpoint when expert facts from trustworthy sources are
presented to you.
Here it is in it's entirety. It would be good if you all read it. :-0
Get rid of that Archie Bunker mentality before it devours your brain
and fills it with worms and other viruses.
Many Still Believe That Saddam Hussein Was Behind 9/11, and Now We
Have Some Idea Why
By Emily Badger, Miller-McCune.com. Posted November 4, 2009.
Researchers looking at beliefs about al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein have
made some surprising discoveries about why peopl
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President Obama has had a hard time dislodging misperceptions about
his health care proposal � those stubborn beliefs that there are death
panels and free care for illegal aliens that don't actually exist in
the legislation. Recent research about the way people defend their
faith in false information, though, suggests calling out the
inaccuracies may not be all that effective in converting the
suspicious.
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inaccurate: the belief, among many conservatives who voted for George
W. Bush in 2004, that Saddam Hussein was at least partly responsible
for the attacks on 9/11.
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Of 49 people included in the study who believed in such a connection,
only 1 shed the certainty when presented with prevailing evidence that
it wasn't true.
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No wonder Knowledge can't teach White people anything correct about
their hateful views of African Americans their ancestors.
The pituary gland in Caucasians has calcified causing them to be more
brain damaged and violent. Than other human beings.
The rest came up with an array of justifications for ignoring,
discounting or simply disagreeing with contrary evidence � even when
it came from President Bush himself.
"I was surprised at the diversity of it, what I kind of charitably
call the creativity of it," said Steve Hoffman, one of the study's
authors and now a visiting assistant professor at the State University
of New York, Buffalo.
The voters weren't dupes of an elaborate misinformation campaign, the
researchers concluded; rather, they were actively engaged in reasoning
that the belief they already held was true.
This type of "motivated reasoning" � pursuing information that
confirms what we already think and discarding the rest � helps explain
why viewers gravitate toward partisan cable news and why we tend to
see what we want in The Colbert Report. But when it comes to
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thinner.
By the time the interviews were conducted, just before the 2004
election, the Bush Administration was no longer muddling a link
between al-Qaeda and the Iraq war. The researchers chose the topic
because, unlike other questions in politics, it had a correct answer.
Subjects were presented during one-on-one interviews with a newspaper
clip of this Bush quote: "This administration never said that the 9/11
attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al-Qaeda."
The Sept. 11 Commission, too, found no such link, the subjects were
told.
"Well, I bet they say that the commission didn't have any proof of
it," one subject responded, "but I guess we still can have our
opinions and feel that way even though they say that."
Reasoned another: "Saddam, I can't judge if he did what he's being
accused of, but if Bush thinks he did it, then he did it."
Others declined to engage the information at all. Most curious to the
researchers were the respondents who reasoned that Saddam must have
been connected to Sept. 11, because why else would the Bush
Administration have gone to war in Iraq?
The desire to believe this was more powerful, according to the
researchers, than any active campaign to plant the idea.
Such a campaign did exist in the run-up to the war, just as it exists
today in the health care debate.
"I do think there's something to be said about people like Sarah
Palin, and even more so Chuck Grassley, supporting this idea of death
panels in a national forum," Hoffman said.
He won't credit them alone for the phenomenon, though.
"That kind of puts the idea out there, but what people then do with
the idea ... " he said. "Our argument is that people aren't just empty
vessels. You don't just sort of open up their brains and dump false
information in and they regurgitate it. They're actually active
processing cognitive agents."
That view is more nuanced than the one held by many health care reform
proponents � that citizens are only ill-informed because Rush Limbaugh
makes them so. (For the record, the authors say justifying false
beliefs extends equally to liberals, who they hypothesize would behave
similarly given a different set of issues.)
The alternate explanation raises queasy questions for the rest of
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"I think we'd all like to believe that when people come across
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another author of the study.
That some people might not do that even in the face of accurate
information, the authors suggest in their article, presents "a serious
challenge to democratic theory and practice."
"The implications for how democracy works are quite profound, there's
no question in my mind about that," Perrin said. "What it means is
that we have to think about the emotional states in which citizens
find themselves that then lead them to reason and deliberate in
particular ways."
Evidence suggests people are more likely to pay attention to facts
within certain emotional states and social situations. Some may never
change their minds. For others, policy-makers could better identify
those states, for example minimizing the fear that often clouds a
person's ability to assess facts and that has characterized the
current health care debate.
Hoffman's advice for crafting such an environment: "The congressional
town hall meetings, that is a sort of test case in how not to do it."
Jack Newhouse
wrote:
So are those the same words you would use if it turned out someone was
a little kid lover in real life?
Jack, why are you worrying? You aren't going to get any anyway. Why
are they nutty Jack?
What the two lifestyles have in common is that both are anti nature,
both are practiced by a tiny percent of the population, and both
indicate minds that are unbalanced in some area. No society other than
a few Goofy European societies and American are trying to put
homosexuality on the same level of acceptance as heterosexuality.
This behavior has been punishable by death for tens of thousands of
years worldwide. Now they have managed to place the queers in high
level positions where they have the power to change the law and try
and tell us that what they want to do is right and proper. Any person
in their right mind, would know instinctively, that homosexuality is a
sick behavior and the people need to be treated, or sent to Iran for
I'madinnerjacket to take care of them.
You folks are goofy, goofy, and triple goofy!
Websters definition of "goofy"
goofy [?gu?f?]
adj goofier, goofiest Informal
1. foolish; silly; stupid
2. Brit (of teeth) sticking out; protruding
"a silly idea"; " wacky"
cockamamie, cockamamy, sappy, silly, wacky, whacky, zany
foolish - devoid of good sense or judgment; "foolish remarks"; "a
foolish decision"
Now be honest. Isn't that what your employers and school teachers
called you? Or thought about you? :-0
Simeon Nevel
[nothing worth reading]
Geez... Where did this goofball come from?
Simeon
Jack Newhouse
There! Exactly the kind of mentally ill Caucasian of which i was
speaking. :-)
They look TRUTH right in the eye, ignore it, and come back with some
psychopathic, brain damaged off topic comment.
America will soon go down in flames from the damage done to it by
INTERNAL WHITE SUPREMACISTS like that person, and the tens of millions
who think just like him, or her. and that's no baloney!
Jack Newhouse
<snevel...@silvilagus.com> wrote:
The most gut level, philosophy that is in the feeble minds of MOST
Caucasoids is this:
If you can't dazzle the nonwhite world with our brilliance and white
skin superiority, then BAFFLE them with Bulls..t
If that's the best you all can do then you need to throw in your
cards, go sit down someplace, be quiet, and let President Obama come
in and straighten this Meth smoking, Pill Popping Caucasian culture
out. :-)