Y&R - 2nd generation Abbott vs Newman feud
Dave
to the next generation and I'd like to comment on that if I may. I'm a huge
Billy Abbott/Miller fan (fave character on the show by far right now).
Seeing him saunter into Victor's office to challenge Nick was priceless (did
he even knock??). I also liked him "facing off" against Victoria during
that scene. There's some good rivalry chemistry happening there for which I
can see TPTB definitely building upon. I could even see Adam lining up with
Billy at some point (which would be very interesting). The whole Jack vs
Victor thing is still in full swing, don't get me wrong (I loved Victor
warning Jack to watch his back again before he left town). However, there's
more payers in the game now which can only breathe fresh air into the show
as a whole.
Dave - Toronto
MarkH
I am also enjoying the new Abbott dynamics.
Jack divorcing Billy.
Ashley p*ssed that Billy used her $$ to write a poison pen piece on
her daughter's father.
Ashley secretly double crossing Jack and trying to buy up Chancellor
stock in the IPO without Jack knowing.
All very, very different and interesting to me. It signals a firm
return to the business stories, and I think seeing the Abbotts return
to something less schmalzy for a while is nice. They'll always love
each other, so the pain of betrayal will palpable...and the eventual
reunions will be sweet.
The other thing is that Ash is still crazy. She doesn't realize Faith
is not hers. Therefore, what will happen when her memory returns?
Will her personality also shift?
record hunter
Billy Abbott is what Nick and Adam are going to bond over (FINALLY).
record hunter
> On Nov 7, 2:59 pm, "Dave" <nomorecroc...@infinity.net> wrote:
>
> > Someone noted previously regarding the Abbotts vs Newmans feud being brought
> > to the next generation and I'd like to comment on that if I may. I'm a huge
> > Billy Abbott/Miller fan (fave character on the show by far right now).
> > Seeing him saunter into Victor's office to challenge Nick was priceless (did
> > he even knock??). I also liked him "facing off" against Victoria during
> > that scene. There's some good rivalry chemistry happening there for which I
> > can see TPTB definitely building upon. I could even see Adam lining up with
> > Billy at some point (which would be very interesting). The whole Jack vs
> > Victor thing is still in full swing, don't get me wrong (I loved Victor
> > warning Jack to watch his back again before he left town). However, there's
> > more payers in the game now which can only breathe fresh air into the show
> > as a whole.
>
> > Dave - Toronto
>
> I am also enjoying the new Abbott dynamics.
>
> Jack divorcing Billy.
>
> Ashley p*ssed that Billy used her $$ to write a poison pen piece on
> her daughter's father.
>
> Ashley secretly double crossing Jack and trying to buy up Chancellor
> stock in the IPO without Jack knowing.
Unexpected, and wonderful in its way (but these douchenozzles are
going to fuck it up).
> All very, very different and interesting to me. It signals a firm
> return to the business stories, and I think seeing the Abbotts return
> to something less schmalzy for a while is nice. They'll always love
> each other, so the pain of betrayal will palpable...and the eventual
> reunions will be sweet.
You might want to hold off on adjectives such as "firm," Mark. This
team hasn't met a storyline it couldn't poop all over (in blazing,
jalapeno-induced projectile diarrhea). So, it's a return, yes--but a
*firm* return? I'm gonna reserve judgment.
> The other thing is that Ash is still crazy. She doesn't realize Faith
> is not hers. Therefore, what will happen when her memory returns?
> Will her personality also shift?
Why are (any of) you expecting Ashley to realize Faith is Sharon's
baby? I don't understand. I'm half wondering if they're not going to
pretend the worst parts of the last six months didn't happen.
Jaie
>
> Billy Abbott is what Nick and Adam are going to bond over (FINALLY).
So it will be especially sweet when Nick finds out that Adam stole
Faith . . . and Sharon.
Jaie
Does this mean we get to veto you? Cool.
I'm a huge
> Billy Abbott/Miller fan (fave character on the show by far right now).
> Seeing him saunter into Victor's office to challenge Nick was priceless (did
> he even knock??). I also liked him "facing off" against Victoria during
> that scene. There's some good rivalry chemistry happening there for which I
> can see TPTB definitely building upon.
If this is going to be more of the Newmans throwing their money and
power around while an Abbott desperately tries to keep his business
afloat, which is certainly how it's already playing out, I'll pass.
Plus, I can't stand watching the idiocy of Billy running his magazine
out of a bar when his lawyers think he'll win . . . any lawyer would
have told him to stay put while the litigation played out. Not to
mention that Restless Style would have had a lease from Nick, and that
would likely have passed to Billy, unless specifically excluded in the
deal. I'm fairly sure there was zero likelihood that Nick's lease to
his own company would have had onerous immediate-eviction rights.
Idiocy on top of idiocy.
I could even see Adam lining up with
> Billy at some point (which would be very interesting).
Yabbott, if there were more balance in the power, that could be
interesting. But it's going to be the full wealth of Newman plus the
brain power of Adam (let's not count Nickwit's brain as an asset)
against whatever begging, borrowing and cajoling Billy can muster
up.
The whole Jack vs
> Victor thing is still in full swing, don't get me wrong (I loved Victor
> warning Jack to watch his back again before he left town). However, there's
> more payers in the game now which can only breathe fresh air into the show
> as a whole.
We can hope. There has been something about the last few weeks that
feels promising. But I'm not ready to believe and I'm still planning
my exit strategy. Old episodes of Y&R in French anyone?
Diva
Th show improved big time this week JMO
Diva
Dave
"MarkH" <mark...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Ashley secretly double crossing Jack and trying to buy up Chancellor stock
> in the IPO without Jack knowing.
Yes, I forgot to mention that part of the dynamics...Chancellor Industries.
Kay was very adamant about Jack not finding out about the IPO. This has
potential to become a 3-way feud (wait 'till Victor finds out about the
IPO).
> All very, very different and interesting to me. It signals a firm return
> to the business stories, and I think seeing the Abbotts return to
> something less schmalzy for a while is nice.
Perhaps this is the positive change you had eluded to a couple months ago.
> The other thing is that Ash is still crazy.
Yeah, I had thought about that also. She was seeing things that weren't
there (over and above Adam gaslighting her). She was nutsy-koo-koo for
awhile. People don't just stop being nutsy-koo-koo without medication or a
padded room. In this case, I think TPTB have regretted the route they took
with Ashley's character (makiing her weak and hiding out in her
bedroom)...and have decided to portray her as the strong character she
should be (but without addressing how she actually goes from weak to strong
in the blink of an eye). It's certainly an about-turn from where she used
to be at. I like a strong Ashley. I despise a weak Ashley.
> She doesn't realize Faith is not hers. Therefore, what will happen when
> her memory returns? Will her personality also shift?
I doubt Faith's maternity/paternity will be addressed for a very long time.
Perhaps that will bring froth generation 3 of the Hatfields and the Macoys
(along with Summer).
Dave - Toronto
Dave
"record hunter" <record...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Billy Abbott is what Nick and Adam are going to bond over (FINALLY).
Or..it could be the opposite. Billy is at odds with both Jack and Nick
right now. Adam may figure that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I'm
liking the rivalry between Adam and Nick (Nick can be one smug bastard and I
love seeing Adam conspire against him). What better way for Adam to get
back at both Nick and Jack than through Billy.
Dave - Toronto
Shirl
> Th show improved big time this week JMO
I just can't see improvement when they spend MONTHS on a story of
gaslighting and mental illness, and then ... LITERALLY OVERNIGHT ...
Adam is wearing a suit and Ashley is suddenly "strong and confident"
again, with ZERO explanation other than that she "gave birth".
I understand that when you've written yourself into a corner or
written a regrettable story, you want to move past it as quickly and
quietly as possible; however, IMO viewers deserve a LITTLE more effort
in the way of an explanation for Ashley's sudden miraculous "cure"
than giving hysterical birth ... and more in the way of a turnaround
than simply a change of clothing.
Maybe it's just me, but it's hard for me to give them high marks this
week when they pretty much just DROPPED material they were showing us
last week.
Shirl
Cheri
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> Diva:
>> Th show improved big time this week JMO
>
> I just can't see improvement when they spend MONTHS on a story of
> gaslighting and mental illness, and then ... LITERALLY OVERNIGHT ...
> Adam is wearing a suit and Ashley is suddenly "strong and confident"
> again, with ZERO explanation other than that she "gave birth".
Especially when she didn't give birth.
Cheri
Cheri
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> I doubt Faith's maternity/paternity will be addressed for a very long
> time. Perhaps that will bring froth generation 3 of the Hatfields and the
> Macoys (along with Summer).
>
> Dave - Toronto
That could be true, and then they will discover it through a blood test or
something so no blame could be firmly fixed on any of the main characters, a
mix up due to the storm etc. JMO
Cheri
record hunter
> "record hunter" <record.hun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
That would be a great start, Dave, Billy/Adam v. Nick/Vic (if we see
her again). But I hope this would eventually force the Newman (half-)
brothers back to being Newmans First, which means above all else
Kicking Abbott Ass. In the hands of the right writers (not rushy-rushy
MAB & Co.), this could be dynamite--*years* of story. Unfortunately,
with them, we'll get kryptonite.
record hunter
I am willing to give them a very, very conditional pass. I'm even
willing, if their actions prove true, to go along with pretending the
last six months didn't happen. I'd prefer it if they'd write in a
"Bobby's Dream"--it could be "Adam's nightmare," or "Ashley
Dreamed..." But I don't trust them. I don't think this is a "firm
return." I would be nothing but happy to be wrong here, of course.
Dave
> On Nov 8, 11:35 am, "Dave" <nomorecroc...@infinity.net> wrote:
>> "record hunter" <record.hun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > Billy Abbott is what Nick and Adam are going to bond over (FINALLY).
>>
>> Or..it could be the opposite. Billy is at odds with both Jack and Nick
>> right now. Adam may figure that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I'm
>> liking the rivalry between Adam and Nick (Nick can be one smug bastard
>> and I
>> love seeing Adam conspire against him). What better way for Adam to get
>> back at both Nick and Jack than through Billy.
>>
>> Dave - Toronto
>
> That would be a great start, Dave, Billy/Adam v. Nick/Vic (if we see
> her again). But I hope this would eventually force the Newman (half-)
> brothers back to being Newmans First, which means above all else
> Kicking Abbott Ass.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If they put Billy and Adam head
to head with each other...I'm gonna be pissed!! I really like 'em both and
I'd have a tough time choosing who to root for (probably Billy).
> In the hands of the right writers (not rushy-rushy MAB & Co.), this could
> be dynamite--*years* of story.
Wouldn't it though!!?? Think of all the posibilities. The players are in
place (Billy, Adam, Nick, Victoria, and even Chance <and Mac and Cain?> to
represent the Chancellors). The younger stage is set. Could be intesesting
if, as you say, they do it right.
> Unfortunately, with them, we'll get kryptonite.
Heh!! Forever the optimist, RH.
Dave - Toronto
Shirl
> I understand that when you've written yourself into a corner or
> written a regrettable story, you want to move past it as quickly and
> quietly as possible; however, IMO viewers deserve a LITTLE more effort
> in the way of an explanation for Ashley's sudden miraculous "cure"
> than giving hysterical birth ... and more in the way of a turnaround
> than simply a change of clothing.
>
> Maybe it's just me, but it's hard for me to give them high marks this
> week when they pretty much just DROPPED material they were showing us
> last week.
record hunter:
> I am willing to give them a very, very conditional pass. I'm even
> willing, if their actions prove true, to go along with pretending the
> last six months didn't happen. I'd prefer it if they'd write in a
> "Bobby's Dream"--it could be "Adam's nightmare," or "Ashley
> Dreamed..." But I don't trust them. I don't think this is a "firm
> return." I would be nothing but happy to be wrong here, of course.
For me, in order to be willing to give them ANY kind of "pass", I
would have to see SOME evidence to justify it, because over the last
few years, they have repeatedly destroyed the idea that if we forgive
their goofs, they will reward us with something better/improved. In
fact, we've seen just the opposite -- I can't count the times Mark has
been sure things were on he upswing followed by let-down after let-
down.
I think you're extremely generous to still be willing to give them
even more passes. My lack of willingness to do the same is based
solely on their track record over the last few years.
Shirl
Jaie
I totally agree. If they regreted the storyline, they should still
give it sensible closure. Even some throwaway lines about her meeting
with a therapist a few days per week might help.
Jaie
> I am willing to give them a very, very conditional pass. I'm even
> willing, if their actions prove true, to go along with pretending the
> last six months didn't happen. I'd prefer it if they'd write in a
> "Bobby's Dream"--it could be "Adam's nightmare," or "Ashley
> Dreamed..." But I don't trust them. I don't think this is a "firm
> return." I would be nothing but happy to be wrong here, of course.
You've been doing a LOT of "pretending" lately.
record hunter
To do otherwise would require not watching, the show is SO lacking in
integrity. But I gave up watching other shows in the past, and I may
give this one up, too.
Diva
The improvement was as I stated in the scenes. It has yet to be
determined if this will be true of the stories.
Diva
chicagofan
> "Shirl"<shin...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Diva:
>>
>>> Th show improved big time this week JMO
>>>
>> I just can't see improvement when they spend MONTHS on a story of
>> gaslighting and mental illness, and then ... LITERALLY OVERNIGHT ...
>> Adam is wearing a suit and Ashley is suddenly "strong and confident"
>> again, with ZERO explanation other than that she "gave birth".
>>
> Especially when she didn't give birth.
>
> Cheri
>
>
illness! :)
I certainly understand how Shirl feels, because all of you have been
watching this MUCH longer than I have, and I was sick to death of the
Adam dance, around Ashley's non-existent pregnancy. She's still nuts as
far as I'm concerned though, to believe she had a baby and had no
physical after effects. ;)
bj
Cheri
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> I certainly understand how Shirl feels, because all of you have been
> watching this MUCH longer than I have, and I was sick to death of the Adam
> dance, around Ashley's non-existent pregnancy. She's still nuts as far as
> I'm concerned though, to believe she had a baby and had no physical after
> effects. ;)
> bj
I don't know about the physical after effects, but she's certainly taken a
turn toward...mean! :-)
Cheri
Terry Pulliam Burd
up random neurons and synapses to opine:
And when you've given birth, you *know* you've given birth! After my
first child, it took me a half hour to shuffle out to the mailbox...
Terry Pulliam Burd
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