Y&R: Thoughts on Monday's US show and beyond... (speculation, spoiler)
Tony Cianfaglione
Some speculation and a spoiler below...
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At the end of Monday's US show, Adam and Sharon's jet is crashing and,
in a move sheer desperation at the thought he and Sharon might perish,
Adam writes a 'confession' note and draws Sharon's attention to it. The
note reads: Your Baby Is Alive.
There you have it. Adam has confessed. But will it stick?
There are several scenarios that could unfold: Sharon may have been too
panicked and did not read the note, and if they land safely or survive
the crash, could ask Adam what the note said, to which Adam can reply: It
said 'I'll always love you'.; Sharon may have read the note but, in her
terror, didn't register what the note said but her subconscious did and it
will resurface at the some point in the future (ie... the seed has been
planted); Sharon may be injured and in a coma and, upon awakwening, not
immediately recall the note but her subconscious will, later on down the
road; Sharon might not have read the note but it exists in the wreckage,
to be found by salvagers who bring the note to Nick's or Victor's
attention, unless Adam retrieves it first.
I can't see them killing Adam off but, if Sharon recalls the note and
questions Adam, and Adam responds with: Ashley's Faith is actually your
Faith, then it's the end of Adam within that family and the soap, in
general. He would face many years of prison, be disowned permanently by
Victor, have Nick gunning for him, have Jack gunning for him, have Ashley
reduced to a basket case again, have Sharon suing for annulment. To that
end, Adam would have to die in the crash. Does anyone know if the
character of Adam is at an end with the show?
I hope Adam is not killed, as I wanted to see the fun that Nick and
Jack will have, with the news that Adam and Sharon are now married and,
especially, if Sharon gets pregnant. I'm hoping the note will have been
burned up in the crash, that Sharon didn't have a chance to read it, and
that this whole scenario was just another 'teaser' for the viewers, who
wonder when Adam's downfall will finally come.
Thoughts welcome?
Cheri
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I hope they're both killed, and I hope the plane crash lands into the place
where the Sheila person, Ryder, and Daisy are holed up and they're killed
too. One can always dream. :-)
Cheri
record hunter
I want Amber and Deacon to be killed, too.
Cheri
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OK, we'll add them to the building too. :-)
Cheri
Niki
> I hope they're both killed, and I hope the plane crash lands into the
> place where the Sheila person, Ryder, and Daisy are holed up and they're
> killed too. One can always dream. :-)
I'm with you on that one Cheri.
Adam and Sharon are making me hurl.
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Niki
Niki
> I want Amber and Deacon to be killed, too.
I have to concur with this too.
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Niki
Jennifer
> Some speculation and a spoiler below...
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I have no idea what will happen. But geez, how many times can the
Newman jet crash? You'd think for all the money they pay for it that
it would not crash so often.
I sort of suspected that adam would confess. I'm hoping that it
doesn't stick. Because i'd like to see this new marriage played out.
What i don't want to see is sharon pressing about the note, adam
confessing, and then nick searching through the plane rubble for
sharon.
I could see them going in the direction of reuniting nick and sharon
now.
I had already had enough with the back and forth (nick wanted phyllis,
then sharon...). I thought we were done with that.
Hopefully nick will not go sharon crazy. And hopefully we can see
sharon/adam play out for a while.
It would seem ridiculous for the writers to end this story only a
couple of months after it began. But who knows.
Koko
Oh, I would love it... it is soooo booooooring when they draw out the
story lines over months and months. Like the week long funerals, when
someone dies... move it, move it, any direction just get on with it.
Dave
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Dumb move by Adam. That's the type of stuff one would take to his/her
grave. I'm not sure how they (TPTB) are going to dig themselves out of this
mess and still keep Adam's character viable.
I was more intrigued by the woman sitting in the diner.
Bring back Shemar Moore!!!
Dave - Toronto
Shirl
> Newman jet crash? You'd think for all the money they pay for it that
> it would not crash so often.
Huh? I seriously doubt it's the SAME jet repeatedly crashing! You
don't REALLY think bizillionnaire Victor Newman would *repair* a jet,
do you? He'd just buy a new one.
Maybe they need to hire more competent/qualified pilots, but what's
"all the money they pay for it" have to do with crashing?
The person(s) making the decisions and operating the controls are
human, and Mother Nature (weather) and humans, combined, require
decision-making that isn't always sound. Has very little to do with
"money" or craftsmanship of the jet itself. Percentage-wise, not that
many crashes are the result of poor craftsmanship. Mechanical failure
accounts for some, but there again, mechanical failure is frequently
traced to human oversight -- aircraft mechanics are also human.
Shirl
Tony Cianfaglione
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> I was more intrigued by the woman sitting in the diner.
Boy, doesn't she look like Kay?! Good casting here, especially as a
hard-drinking woman.
Tony Cianfaglione
> I have no idea what will happen. But geez, how many times can the
> Newman jet crash? You'd think for all the money they pay for it that
> it would not crash so often.
This is the second jet to crash. The one Nick was in was destroyed and
Neil, luckily, sold the other before he went down in it. This could be an
underpinning for an insidious plot by an enemy of the Newmans wanting to
destroy them. Nick, Adam, Victoria and Victor are all now in the
crosshairs of some person or organization wanting to do in the Newmans.
Could Tucker have something to do with it?
Tony Cianfaglione
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, Koko wrote:
> Oh, I would love it... it is soooo booooooring when they draw out the
> story lines over months and months. Like the week long funerals, when
> someone dies... move it, move it, any direction just get on with it.
Yes. Look how long Tamara Sursock laid in that hospital bed with a
tube in her mouth and her eyes closed while they shot all those scenes.
record hunter
Yeah. who's she? Kay's daughter? I thought Tucker was going to be
Kay's daughter.
record hunter
I thought she looked more like Marge.
record hunter
She moved at least three times.
Dave
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>> I was more intrigued by the woman sitting in the diner.
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> Yeah. who's she? Kay's daughter?
I assume so, yes. Good casting there as Tony pointed out.
> I thought Tucker was going to be Kay's daughter.
Me too...'till I watched that scene with the blonde woman in the diner.
Something is definitely up with that Tucker dude, though. Big-time players
don't suddenly appear in GC without some sort of agenda. I'm interested to
see the recast of this character that has supposedly happened.
Dave - Toronto
record hunter
> "record hunter" <record.hun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I wonder why they got rid of William Russ. He works just fine for me.
Not every billionaire has to be a moustache-twirling Snidely Whiplash.
Dave
Yeah, I kinda like him too. My guess is that when TPTB initially hired him
they thought EB/Victor wasn't coming back. Then, after EB re-signed, they
likely decided to take the Tucker character in a different direction and
perhaps thought a different actor could achieve a better result (though that
is simply my guess on things). If they play things right (which TPTB seem
to drop the ball a lot lately)...they could turn this into a very
interesting storyline lining up Jack and Victor with each other to take on
Tucker once his agenda is known (and I'm certain he does have an agenda).
Dave - Toronto
Cheri
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And the way he keeps giving Katherine those thoughtful looks, and wanting
her to find the lost child.
Cheri
Cheri
> I wonder why they got rid of William Russ. He works just fine for me.
> Not every billionaire has to be a moustache-twirling Snidely Whiplash.
He doesn't work for me. He reminds me of a hayseed or something, and he
certainly has no chemistry with Jill.
Cheri
Terry Pulliam Burd
They actually moved pretty quickly with Colleen,, however. Tracy's
grief and inability to pull the plug was all too believable, but TPTB
got that one right, IMHO.
Terry Pulliam Burd
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Nicholson in "As Good As It Gets"
Terry Pulliam Burd
+1, Niki. This whole whirlwind romance thing is just w-r-o-n-g, plus,
I can't see Sharon with Adam under any circumstances, including desert
island and last-man-on-earth scenarios.
Terry Pulliam Burd
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"And what manner of jackassery must we put up with today?" ~ Danae,
Non Sequitur
Terry Pulliam Burd
<nomore...@infinity.net> wrote:
>Me too...'till I watched that scene with the blonde woman in the diner.
>Something is definitely up with that Tucker dude, though. Big-time players
>don't suddenly appear in GC without some sort of agenda. I'm interested to
>see the recast of this character that has supposedly happened.
They've already recast the actor? Wow, that was fast! I keep thinking,
"trim yer damned sideburns, bub" every time he's on. Man, is that
distracting.
Niki
> Me too...'till I watched that scene with the blonde woman in the diner.
> Something is definitely up with that Tucker dude, though. Big-time players
> don't suddenly appear in GC without some sort of agenda. I'm interested to
> see the recast of this character that has supposedly happened.
Is that the new older dude?
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Niki
Dave
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Yup. I like him...but I still think something is up.
Dave - Toronto
record hunter
> "record hunter" <record.hun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Well, we know how you like old Snidely...
Tony Cianfaglione
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009, Dave wrote:
>> I thought Tucker was going to be Kay's daughter.
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> Me too...'till I watched that scene with the blonde woman in the diner.
> Something is definitely up with that Tucker dude, though. Big-time players
> don't suddenly appear in GC without some sort of agenda. I'm interested to
> see the recast of this character that has supposedly happened.
Look below for a rumour spoiler...
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I read a rumour that Tucker is now supposed to be John Abbot's son from
a previous relationship before John met Jack's mother, making Tucker
Jack's half-brother. Also, the rumour went on to say that Caine is
Tucker's son, John's grandson.
Dave
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That makes no sense though. It doesn't tie into Tucker's obsession with Kay
or Chancellor Industries. If he had been obsessed with the Abbotts and
Jabot...perhaps I could buy it. But as it stands it makes no sense.
Memo to TPTB - Not everyone has to be related!!!! And stop writing stories
on the fly!!!
What a bunch of dumb-asses they are!!!
Dave - Toronto
Niki
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:08:06 -0500, Niki <niki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Adam and Sharon are making me hurl.
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> +1, Niki. This whole whirlwind romance thing is just w-r-o-n-g, plus,
> I can't see Sharon with Adam under any circumstances, including desert
> island and last-man-on-earth scenarios.
Terry, it's gonna get worse after watching Monday's show. Sharon is bad
enough a wussy on her own. She's pathetic. This Adam just is gone.
Nothing redeemable there for me. I can't stand looking at him anymore.
The character is so unlikeable. I don't even like to watch this. I hope
they both die. Neither of them are likeable anymore. They remind me of
oatmeal (filler crap).
> "And what manner of jackassery must we put up with today?"
God only knows. That Christmas ep was actually ok. It was nice seeing
Nikki not bloated, Danny and Pristine, Cassie, TGVN getting out of jail
and seeing his family, etc.
That wedding scene with Adam and Sharon made me want to whip out
something. It was extremely barf worthy.
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Niki
Niki
> "Niki" <niki...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> Is that the new older dude?
> Yup. I like him...but I still think something is up.
Tucker McCall (McColl sp). He's the dude who came out of no where
wanting to buy Chancellor stock and is boinking Jill? Whenever a new
character comes on board like that, yup, you know something is up.
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Niki
Niki
Oh geez. Why do they keep writing this crap that makes me not care.
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Niki
Tony Cianfaglione
I guess the new recast will look more like John Abbott than William
Russ does, so if they want to, they can take the show in that direction.
Of course, rumours are just that. Rumours. Nothing more, nothing less.
Cheri
Totally. Good grief, all this paternity crap is growing very old, no scratch
that...has already grown old.
Cheri
Terry Pulliam Burd
AFAICS, TPTB are trying to "instant up" family relations in order to
jump start a character's bona fides. IOW, it is way, way too much
work to bring a character along from scratch. The "new" character
needs GC cred - I mean, look at the retrofit they appear to be doing
with Daisy and Ryder. And didn't Gloria and Kevin get bootstrapped
into the GC scene pretty much the same way?
Terry Pulliam Burd
>That wedding scene with Adam and Sharon made me want to whip out
>something. It was extremely barf worthy.
Thank God for DVRs and a ff button. Seeing Adam acting so concerned
about Sharon's well being had ME reaching for the barf bag. I cannot
stand watching those two together. OTOH, Nick is getting on my last
nerve with his constant hovering and Phyllis is getting on that same
last nerve with her incessant jealousy.
Tony Cianfaglione
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:50:14 -0500, Niki <niki...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> That wedding scene with Adam and Sharon made me want to whip out
>> something. It was extremely barf worthy.
^^^^^^^^^^^
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> Thank God for DVRs and a ff button. Seeing Adam acting so concerned
> about Sharon's well being had ME reaching for the barf bag.
^^^^^^^^
Seems whatever Niki has is contagious. ;-)
record hunter
I don't know what you mean by "retrofit." I *think* Daisy and Ryder
have known each other all along, that we were only allowed to know it
when it made sense. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I just want *something* to
work.
record hunter
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:50:14 -0500, Niki <nikib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >That wedding scene with Adam and Sharon made me want to whip out
> >something. It was extremely barf worthy.
>
> Thank God for DVRs and a ff button. Seeing Adam acting so concerned
> about Sharon's well being had ME reaching for the barf bag. I cannot
> stand watching those two together. OTOH, Nick is getting on my last
> nerve with his constant hovering and Phyllis is getting on that same
> last nerve with her incessant jealousy.
Now this is getting vomitatious, yes, the stuff with Adam. If only
they hadn't fucked him up the way they did. HTF did anyone think that
was a good idea? Were they planning to kill him off originally? Who
can say.
Phyllis always makes me sick. I don't mind that she's jealous. It's
good that she's jealous. She deserves to feel jealous. I hate her.
Niki
> Totally. Good grief, all this paternity crap is growing very old, no
> scratch that...has already grown old.
What does one even say at this point? It's beyond ridiculous.
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Niki
Niki
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:50:14 -0500, Niki <niki...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> That wedding scene with Adam and Sharon made me want to whip out
>> something. It was extremely barf worthy.
> Thank God for DVRs and a ff button.
You got that right Terry!
Seeing Adam acting so concerned
> about Sharon's well being had ME reaching for the barf bag.
I couldn't grab mine fast enough.
I cannot
> stand watching those two together.
That makes 2 of us.
OTOH, Nick is getting on my last
> nerve with his constant hovering and Phyllis is getting on that same
> last nerve with her incessant jealousy.
It's horrible. Enough of that crap already TPTB. Nick and Phyl have
their issues, but damn, why ruin every good character? Or every
character that used to be?
[insert cussage here] I used to just love Y&R! It's difficult to watch
now vs days of yore.
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Niki
Niki
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> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>> Thank God for DVRs and a ff button. Seeing Adam acting so concerned
>> about Sharon's well being had ME reaching for the barf bag.
> Seems whatever Niki has is contagious. ;-)
Tonybone, it took me awhile to get my DVR down. It rocks dude!
I only have basic cable. I watch, COPS, AMW, This Old House Classics,
Survivor, Desperate Housewives. Ya gotta have cable to get TV now unless
you spend money on a new damn TV.
If I'm not watching any of them shows, I personally want to shoot my TV.
I don't leave it on for white noise, STFU, go away, shut up! TV drives
me nuts. I like quiet. That's just me.
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Niki
Cheri
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> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:50:14 -0500, Niki <niki...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>That wedding scene with Adam and Sharon made me want to whip out
>>something. It was extremely barf worthy.
>
> Thank God for DVRs and a ff button. Seeing Adam acting so concerned
> about Sharon's well being had ME reaching for the barf bag. I cannot
> stand watching those two together. OTOH, Nick is getting on my last
> nerve with his constant hovering and Phyllis is getting on that same
> last nerve with her incessant jealousy.
>
> Terry Pulliam Burd
And...that terrible hairdo he is sporting. I am hating what they are doing
to Nick these days. I used to love that kid and the character, now he's
being portrayed as a complete weenie. Phyllis should throw his sorry ass out
IMO, and you're right...I am getting tired of her whining about the whole
thing. Totally out of character for her to just keep on taking it.
Cheri
Cheri
> Phyllis always makes me sick. I don't mind that she's jealous. It's
> good that she's jealous. She deserves to feel jealous. I hate her.
She is at her best when she's being a bitch, not when she's whining around
about Nick.
Cheri
Cheri
> I don't know what you mean by "retrofit." I *think* Daisy and Ryder
> have known each other all along, that we were only allowed to know it
> when it made sense. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I just want *something* to
> work.
I think they're brother and sister?
Cheri
record hunter
> "record hunter" <record.hun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I hate her then, too. I just hate her. I don't want her to get
anything she wants. Ever.
Bunny
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: And...that terrible hairdo he is sporting. I am hating what they are doing
: to Nick these days. I used to love that kid and the character, now he's
: being portrayed as a complete weenie. Phyllis should throw his sorry ass
out
: IMO, and you're right...I am getting tired of her whining about the whole
: thing. Totally out of character for her to just keep on taking it.
:
: Cheri
Unless Phyll sabotaged the plane - that's in line with what
the character used to be like.
alia
will always root for her, no matter what happens. I wish Sharon would leave
GC with adam never to be seen again.
Alia
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Diva
> "Terry Pulliam Burd" <ntpull...@spambot.com> wrote in messagenews:1mklj5t6ejcsin2np...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:50:14 -0500, Niki <nikib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>That wedding scene with Adam and Sharon made me want to whip out
> >>something. It was extremely barf worthy.
>
> > Thank God for DVRs and a ff button. Seeing Adam acting so concerned
> > about Sharon's well being had ME reaching for the barf bag. I cannot
> > stand watching those two together. OTOH, Nick is getting on my last
> > nerve with his constant hovering and Phyllis is getting on that same
> > last nerve with her incessant jealousy.
>
> > Terry Pulliam Burd
>
> And...that terrible hairdo he is sporting. I am hating what they are doing
> to Nick these days. I used to love that kid and the character, now he's
> being portrayed as a complete weenie. Phyllis should throw his sorry ass out
> IMO, and you're right...I am getting tired of her whining about the whole
> thing. Totally out of character for her to just keep on taking it.
>
> Cheri
Actually, Nick's part in his hair has migrated several times from a
center part to a side part all in the same day. So while Sharon is in
crisis, Nick is in men's rooms at airports and hospitals doing comb-
outs?
Doesn't anyone check continuity?
Diva
record hunter
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> > On Dec 29, 11:12 pm, Terry Pulliam Burd <ntpull...@spambot.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:50:14 -0500, Niki <nikib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >That wedding scene with Adam and Sharon made me want to whip out
> >> >something. It was extremely barf worthy.
>
> >> Thank God for DVRs and a ff button. Seeing Adam acting so concerned
> >> about Sharon's well being had ME reaching for the barf bag. I cannot
> >> stand watching those two together. OTOH, Nick is getting on my last
> >> nerve with his constant hovering and Phyllis is getting on that same
> >> last nerve with her incessant jealousy.
>
> > Now this is getting vomitatious, yes, the stuff with Adam. If only
> > they hadn't fucked him up the way they did. HTF did anyone think that
> > was a good idea? Were they planning to kill him off originally? Who
> > can say.
>
> > Phyllis always makes me sick. I don't mind that she's jealous. It's
> > good that she's jealous. She deserves to feel jealous. I hate her.
>
> And I hate sharon, more than words can adequately express. Phyllis is great,
> will always root for her, no matter what happens. I wish Sharon would leave
> GC with adam never to be seen again.
I like Adam. Not *like* like, but I watch when he's on, and that's
been true with both actors. I've always liked Sharon. BITD she was the
only character I could relate to *at all* on this show about psycho-
and sociopaths, narcissists, and BPDites.
Tony Cianfaglione
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, record hunter wrote:
> Now this is getting vomitatious
^^^^^^^^^^^
Been hanging around Terri and Niki lately? ;-D
Tony Cianfaglione
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Niki wrote:
> I only have basic cable. I watch, COPS, AMW, This Old House Classics,
> Survivor, Desperate Housewives. Ya gotta have cable to get TV now unless you
> spend money on a new damn TV.
I only have basic cable but Canada stills transmits analogue signals
for another 2 years anyway so rabbit ears would bring in many channels.
Tony Cianfaglione
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Cheri wrote:
> I think they're brother and sister?
I mentioned this a couple of months back when I noticed the resemblence
bewtween the two actors. It looks as though TPTB went out of their way
to find two actors who looked a bit like each other for this stint. Daisy
even admitted she was Ryder's sister last week.
Cheri
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>
They surely do look alike.
Cheri
Laurie
Why does she say everything twice?
The writers only have to give her half as many lines.
Niki
> And I hate sharon, more than words can adequately express. Phyllis is
> great, will always root for her, no matter what happens. I wish Sharon
> would leave GC with adam never to be seen again.
I'm with ya sister!
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Niki
Niki
I can't stand Adam.
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Niki
Shirl
> And I hate sharon, more than words can adequately express. Phyllis is great,
> will always root for her, no matter what happens. I wish Sharon would leave
> GC with adam never to be seen again.
I always liked Nick and Sharon despite their propensity for turning
outside their marriage in times of trouble. They were two
fundamentally good people/good parents with enough flawed thinking to
make them interesting soap characters while still maintaining enough
credibility to care about them. What I hate, now, is how TPTB have
*destroyed* both of them. There's a difference between flawed thinking
and just plain repetitively stupid behavior! Bad decision-making may
indeed drive soap opera stories, but with their repetitive
ridiculously stupid behavior over the last year+, how could anyone
still relate to or care about them anymore? And that now holds true
for the majority of characters, thanks to the lack of thought and
effort that has been put into storytelling - zero believable
motivation, zero believable logic, zero brains, zero identifiable
emotions.
There isn't ONE character I c/would "always root for, no matter what
happens". In fact, IMO, such a statement just gives TPTB a free pass
to write whatever sloppy, lazy, poorly written garbage they want with
your vow to watch no matter what! How can you be completely disgusted
with Sharon yet continue to root for Phyllis even though her actions
and story have been no less pathetic than Sharon's?
Shirl
record hunter
> How can you be completely disgusted
> with Sharon yet continue to root for Phyllis even though her actions
> and story have been no less pathetic than Sharon's?
Phyllis, at least, deserves what she gets from Sharon. And then some.
Niki
> There isn't ONE character I c/would "always root for, no matter what
> happens". In fact, IMO, such a statement just gives TPTB a free pass
> to write whatever sloppy, lazy, poorly written garbage they want with
> your vow to watch no matter what! How can you be completely disgusted
> with Sharon yet continue to root for Phyllis even though her actions
> and story have been no less pathetic than Sharon's?
Great points noted Shirl. I would just like to see one happy couple a
bit more. I love Kay and Murph. Don't care for Jack and what's her face.
Hate Adam and Sharon. Love Billy, don't care for this Mac. Vicki and JT
are not happy. Phyl and Nick? Too many issues there with Nick and
Sharon. Asshley is leaving Vic. I suppose Lauren and Mikey are good as
are Kevin and Jana. It's so depressing to watch anymore. It's slutty
like Jerry Springer. UGH I don't want to watch that. Gimme something to
keep me engaged.
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Niki
record hunter
> I love Kay and Murph.
Love them.
> Don't care for Jack and what's her face.
Hate them. I will always hate Jack Abbott. Seeing him happy makes me
change the channel. And Emily is just awful. IAWTS.
> Hate Adam and Sharon.
Like them both. Always have. Always will. I just wish they hadn't
destroyed Adam. Now I understand how some of you -- SOME of you --
feel about Kevin.
> Love Billy, don't care for this Mac.
Like them both. Thought she was really good yesterday.
> Vicki and JT
Boring. I was hoping for awhile JT was going to be GC's gay character.
> Phyl and Nick? Too many issues there with Nick and
> Sharon.
Besides which, die, Phyllis, die.
> Asshley is leaving Vic.
I have a degree of respect for her I never had before as a result of
her kicking his ass off the ranch. What are they going to do now,
given that this was a "what will we do with Victor's main set if
Victor's not here?" move?
> I suppose Lauren and Mikey are good as
> are Kevin and Jana.
I like them all.
Diva
What about the New Year's Eve Billy Abbott trip into the future?
Diva
Shirl
> > Asshley is leaving Vic.
record hunter:
> I have a degree of respect for her I never had before as a result of
> her kicking his ass off the ranch. What are they going to do now,
> given that this was a "what will we do with Victor's main set if
> Victor's not here?" move?
I think I feel the same about Ashley as you do about Phyllis. IMO,
Ashley has been a despicable person for a LONG time -- an uppity/
snooty, arrogant person, a consummate narcissist, and a self-righteous
bi*ch who steamrolls over anyone and everyone to fulfill her own
needs. I don't like Victor, either, but I see NO reason why this
wealthy Abbott woman should get the Newman ranch after being married
to Victor for a year-or-so. Just once -- ONCE -- I'd like to see
someone THAT I CAN ROOT FOR take something from Victor that he
treasures! This is just one rat stealing food from another rat. I'm
not cheering.
> > I suppose Lauren and Mikey are good as
> > are Kevin and Jana.
>
> I like them all.
Same here...seems they aren't important enough for TPTB to have
featured and destroyed them yet.
Shirl
Cheri
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> Great points noted Shirl. I would just like to see one happy couple a bit
> more. I love Kay and Murph. Don't care for Jack and what's her face. Hate
> Adam and Sharon. Love Billy, don't care for this Mac. Vicki and JT are not
> happy. Phyl and Nick? Too many issues there with Nick and
And the way they trashed Victoria and JT was totally unbelievable. Victoria
jumps into bed with Deacon? No way.
Cheri
alia
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Phyllis. That would be true if she murdered the entire populace of GC. I
like her, period, flaws and all, behavior be damned. I like her. There are a
few characters I feel that way about, michael, and kevin. I don't feel it
needs explaining it just is.
Alia
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Shirl
> > There isn't ONE character I c/would "always root for, no matter what
> > happens". In fact, IMO, such a statement just gives TPTB a free pass
> > to write whatever sloppy, lazy, poorly written garbage they want with
> > your vow to watch no matter what! How can you be completely disgusted
> > with Sharon yet continue to root for Phyllis even though her actions
> > and story have been no less pathetic than Sharon's?
alia:
> I didn't say I would "watch no matter what" I said I would always root for
> Phyllis. That would be true if she murdered the entire populace of GC. I
> like her, period, flaws and all, behavior be damned. I like her. There are a
> few characters I feel that way about, michael, and kevin. I don't feel it
> needs explaining it just is.
I quoted you accurately above, then re-stated it differently. IMO, if
you're going to root for a character "no matter what", that implies
that you're watching, doesn't it?
IMO, when a viewer vows to root for any character "no matter what",
that's no different than telling TPTB that they could write whatever
ill-conceived, senseless, evil or unbelievable story they want about
that character and you'd still root for them. Would you have been able
to root for Adam throughout the entire gaslight/baby switch story ("no
matter what")? or to root for Patty when she poisoned Zapatto ("no
matter what")?
You're right -- it is what it is, as people love to say these days --
I just don't see wisdom in giving TPTB an endorsement that is THAT
broad! What we're seeing lately *is* the result of TPTB having no
competency standards or accountability. These stories obviously DO
come from the mindset that all viewers watch with your attitude that
they can present whatever sloppy work they want for our favorite
characters and we're still going to cheer. I don't see ANY advantage
of a teacher who gives a favorite student an "A" no matter what, or
any customer who continues to buy a product regardless of how inferior
or ineffective it becomes, either.
To each, his/her own, of course.
I remember the story about Elvis releasing a recording under a
different name just to prove to himself that his fans actually
recognized quality and talent and that they weren't just robots that
would buy ANYTHING he put his name on.
Shirl
record hunter
I only watched the last 15 minutes. Were Lauren, Michael, Kevin and
Jana part of it?
record hunter
> Niki:
>
> > > Asshley is leaving Vic.
>
> record hunter:
>
> > I have a degree of respect for her I never had before as a result of
> > her kicking his ass off the ranch. What are they going to do now,
> > given that this was a "what will we do with Victor's main set if
> > Victor's not here?" move?
>
> I think I feel the same about Ashley as you do about Phyllis. IMO,
> Ashley has been a despicable person for a LONG time -- an uppity/
> snooty, arrogant person, a consummate narcissist, and a self-righteous
> bi*ch who steamrolls over anyone and everyone to fulfill her own
> needs. I don't like Victor, either, but I see NO reason why this
> wealthy Abbott woman should get the Newman ranch after being married
> to Victor for a year-or-so. Just once -- ONCE -- I'd like to see
> someone THAT I CAN ROOT FOR take something from Victor that he
> treasures! This is just one rat stealing food from another rat. I'm
> not cheering.
Well, since he's coming back, there's no logistical reason for Ashley
to have his set.
Niki
> On Dec 31, 11:28 am, Niki <nikib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Don't care for Jack and what's her face.
>
> Hate them. I will always hate Jack Abbott. Seeing him happy makes me
> change the channel. And Emily is just awful. IAWTS.
Is Emily what's her face?
>> Hate Adam and Sharon.
>
> Like them both. Always have. Always will. I just wish they hadn't
> destroyed Adam.
Well, they did. Bastards.
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Niki
Niki
I haven't seen it yet.
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Niki
Niki
> Same here...seems they aren't important enough for TPTB to have
> featured and destroyed them yet.
Thank God for that. They've destroyed enough already.
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Niki
alia
also didn't say I would watch no matter what. There might come a time when
even the characters I love wouldn't keep me watching, but if I am I will
always love/root for Phyllis, yes, no matter what she does.
Alia
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Tony Cianfaglione
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Cheri wrote:
> And the way they trashed Victoria and JT was totally unbelievable. Victoria
> jumps into bed with Deacon? No way.
I think Vicky and Billy are going to get together; a repeat of the
Nick-Phyllis matchup: dire enemies make good bedfellows.
Shirl
> Obviously if I'm not watching I wouldn't be knowing what she was doing. I
> also didn't say I would watch no matter what. There might come a time when
> even the characters I love wouldn't keep me watching, but if I am I will
> always love/root for Phyllis, yes, no matter what she does.
Whatever.
To me, that just gives them ZERO incentive/motivation to do quality
work. Throw you a pile of sh*t or bag of diamonds and you'll be happy
either way.
Shirl
Tony Cianfaglione
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Shirl wrote:
> I remember the story about Elvis releasing a recording under a
> different name just to prove to himself that his fans actually
> recognized quality and talent and that they weren't just robots that
> would buy ANYTHING he put his name on.
I never heard this about Elvis but Paul McCartney did this.
He was told that the only reason he sold records was because he was
Paul McCartney and for no other reason. So he and Linda (this was in the
late 80s) released a single called 'Seaside Woman' (with the flipside
called 'B side to Seaside' - cute) under the name 'Susie and The Red
Stripes'.
Only a few copies were sold and now Beatles afficionades are seeking
copies which are pretty rare.
Tony Cianfaglione
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, Niki wrote:
> Is Emily what's her face?
Don't worry about Emily. She's toast as soon as Patty discovers her
doctor is stealing her 'husband'. I can see Patty, now, using those
really sharp scissors that the hospital allowed this mentally unstable
woman to have (to make angels out of cardboard) to stab Emily to death,
wrap her up in a blanket with just her face showing so that it looks like
Patty is sleeping and then Patty escaping, dying her hair and trying to
take over Emily's life with Jack.
I can see all this happening on Jack and Emily's wedding day so that
Jack will actually marry patty before the hospital discovers Emily's dead
body. Jack will have left on his honeymoon with 'Emily' and make the
horrible discovery when he is about to bed 'his new wife'. Should be fun
to look forward to.
Cheri
You're probably right, but I would like to see JT and Victoria stay
together. It would be nice if just one couple actually did that, and I think
JT and Victoria have good chemistry. I'm thinking that JT and Mac will get
back together too, though I never thought they were good together. I never
liked Nick and Phyllis together either. She always seemed too old and
worldly for him...before they made a wimp of her.
Cheri
Cheri
news:Pine.GSO.4.64.0...@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>
You just know that she's going to see the engagement announcement in the
paper soon, and I'm sure the above scenario will play out, but how
predictable.
Cheri
Shirl
> > I remember the story about Elvis releasing a recording under a
> > different name just to prove to himself that his fans actually
> > recognized quality and talent and that they weren't just robots that
> > would buy ANYTHING he put his name on.
Tony Cianfaglione:
> I never heard this about Elvis but Paul McCartney did this.
>
> He was told that the only reason he sold records was because he was
> Paul McCartney and for no other reason. So he and Linda (this was in the
> late 80s) released a single called 'Seaside Woman' (with the flipside
> called 'B side to Seaside' - cute) under the name 'Susie and The Red
> Stripes'.
>
> Only a few copies were sold and now Beatles afficionades are seeking
> copies which are pretty rare.
Elvis did it, too. I can't remember the name he used, but it was a
published story with all the details.
Shirl
record hunter
That Patty will emerge and move in with Jack as his "wife," Emily, is
what saves this for me.
Kick Jack's ass, Patty. Kick it good. Kick it now. Kick it often. Kick
it with feeling. Kick it with meaning. But most of all, kick it.
Jennifer
> I didn't say I would "watch no matter what" I said I would always root for
> Phyllis. That would be true if she murdered the entire populace of GC. I
> like her, period, flaws and all, behavior be damned. I like her. There are a
> few characters I feel that way about, michael, and kevin. I don't feel it
> needs explaining it just is.
I feel the same way you do about Phyllis. Although i didn't always
love her (not in the very beginning when she was terrorizing danny).
But i have loved her for a very long time.
I also love mikey. Although again i did not love him at the
beginning.
I think part of it is that to me these are the two best actors on Y&R.
And when i see them put in great performances it just makes me like to
watch them.
Terry Pulliam Burd
wrote:
<snippage>
>She always seemed too old and
>worldly for him...before they made a wimp of her.
Just out of curiosity, I looked it up. MS was born in 1965 and JM was
born in 1974 (according to IMDb), which confirms what I figured all
along. And it's not the age difference. I mean, who cares anymore
whether a guy is older or younger? She just seems far more
sophisticated and edgy. She also comes across as somewhat, uh,
predatory, always lookin' for someone to pounce on over whatever real
or imagined slight or instance. Nick's character is just way more
laid back, needs to be out on a snowmobile with Noah, hanging out at
Jimmy's, maybe running the ranch as a "gentleman rancher" kinda thing.
Nick always looks like he's "playing office" when he's at Newman
Enterprises, esp. when he's in TGVN's throne, erm, chair.
Terry Pulliam Burd
---
"Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here." Jack
Nicholson in "As Good As It Gets"
Cheri
news:02m2k59k0tsfdvf1v...@4ax.com...
Agreed, I don't really care about the age difference either, it's the
difference in life experiences that stands out to me. It would seem to me
that Phyllis would become bored with Nick in a hurry.
Cheri
record hunter
> "Terry Pulliam Burd" <ntpull...@spambot.com> wrote in messagenews:02m2k59k0tsfdvf1v...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:26:13 -0800, "Cheri" <cher...@newsguy.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > <snippage>
>
> >>She always seemed too old and
> >>worldly for him...before they made a wimp of her.
>
> > Just out of curiosity, I looked it up. MS was born in 1965 and JM was
> > born in 1974 (according to IMDb), which confirms what I figured all
> > along. And it's not the age difference. I mean, who cares anymore
> > whether a guy is older or younger? She just seems far more
> > sophisticated and edgy. She also comes across as somewhat, uh,
> > predatory, always lookin' for someone to pounce on over whatever real
> > or imagined slight or instance. Nick's character is just way more
> > laid back, needs to be out on a snowmobile with Noah, hanging out at
> > Jimmy's, maybe running the ranch as a "gentleman rancher" kinda thing.
> > Nick always looks like he's "playing office" when he's at Newman
> > Enterprises, esp. when he's in TGVN's throne, erm, chair.
>
> > Terry Pulliam Burd
>
> Agreed, I don't really care about the age difference either, it's the
> difference in life experiences that stands out to me. It would seem to me
> that Phyllis would become bored with Nick in a hurry.
>
> Cheri
Phyllis and Nick are also on my Do Not Watch list, mainly because of
Phyllis. I can easily relate to Nick's reaction to Sharon and Adam's
marriage.