GL: Phillip & Beth's baby
Connie Nusser
I'm new to the NG and this is my first post.
I used to watch GL regularly but stopped a couple of years
ago as I started watching GH. Lately, GH has been awful
so the last couple of weeks I've been back watching GL.
I take it that Beth's baby is really Phillip's, but she
is married to Jim. I am unclear whether the conception
happened after they married or not. And I'm not sure
if that even matters regarding my question.
OK, my question. When Phillip told Jim the baby was his,
he said it was his biologically and legally. I thought
that legally, the husband was considered the father until
the husband gave up claim. If that was the case, Phillip
had no legal standing with the baby and still could not
sign the consent forms instead of Jim. He might be able
to shake Jim up, but still Jim was legally considered
the father and consent required his signature. Is this
not so, or is the show just glossing over facts?
Connie Nusser
Dana Carpender
Connie Nusser wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to the NG and this is my first post.
>
> I used to watch GL regularly but stopped a couple of years
> ago as I started watching GH. Lately, GH has been awful
> so the last couple of weeks I've been back watching GL.
>
> I take it that Beth's baby is really Phillip's, but she
> is married to Jim. I am unclear whether the conception
> happened after they married or not.
No. Jim had turned down Beth when she proposed to him. He changed his
mind when he realized how much he cared when she was in the downed plane
in the mountains of SC -- someone might remind Jim of this, BTW. It's
not like Beth was cheating on her husband; indeed, she and Jim were
involved, but she had reason to believe he wasn't really committed.
> And I'm not sure
> if that even matters regarding my question.
>
> OK, my question. When Phillip told Jim the baby was his,
> he said it was his biologically and legally. I thought
> that legally, the husband was considered the father until
> the husband gave up claim. If that was the case, Phillip
> had no legal standing with the baby and still could not
> sign the consent forms instead of Jim. He might be able
> to shake Jim up, but still Jim was legally considered
> the father and consent required his signature. Is this
> not so, or is the show just glossing over facts?
What, you think they're going to bother with legal realism *now*, after
that crock of s*** about Rob not signing the divorce papers?
Anyway, I don't know the legalities. Wouldn't be surprised if it varied
from state to state.
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Marlene Blanshay
<dcar...@kiva.net> wrote:
> Connie Nusser wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm new to the NG and this is my first post.
> >
> > I used to watch GL regularly but stopped a couple of years
> > ago as I started watching GH. Lately, GH has been awful
> > so the last couple of weeks I've been back watching GL.
> >
> > I take it that Beth's baby is really Phillip's, but she
> > is married to Jim. I am unclear whether the conception
> > happened after they married or not.
>
> No. Jim had turned down Beth when she proposed to him. He changed his
> mind when he realized how much he cared when she was in the downed plane
> in the mountains of SC -- someone might remind Jim of this, BTW. It's
> not like Beth was cheating on her husband; indeed, she and Jim were
> involved, but she had reason to believe he wasn't really committed.
>
I think jim knows that he and beth weren't married- but of course she
lied and told him the baby was his.
Cindy
"Connie Nusser" wrote
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to the NG and this is my first post.
>
> I used to watch GL regularly but stopped a couple of years
> ago as I started watching GH. Lately, GH has been awful
> so the last couple of weeks I've been back watching GL.
>
> I take it that Beth's baby is really Phillip's, but she
> is married to Jim. I am unclear whether the conception
> happened after they married or not. And I'm not sure
> if that even matters regarding my question.
>
> OK, my question. When Phillip told Jim the baby was his,
> he said it was his biologically and legally. I thought
> that legally, the husband was considered the father until
> the husband gave up claim. If that was the case, Phillip
> had no legal standing with the baby and still could not
> sign the consent forms instead of Jim. He might be able
> to shake Jim up, but still Jim was legally considered
> the father and consent required his signature. Is this
> not so, or is the show just glossing over facts?
>
Hi Connie, welcome to the group. I'm not very good at summarizing but I'll
give it a try. Around Thanksgiving Jim was flying a plane with Beth and
Phillip inside scoping out some land in San Cristobel for Spaulding. I
won't get into the details of how, but just suffice it to say the plane went
down in a blizzard. Phillip's leg was hurt so Jim went to get help. While
he was gone there was an avalanche and the plane was completely buried, so
Phillip and Beth decided to make a good-bye tape to Lizzie. They got so
caught up in the emotion and despair that they made love while the camera
was still recording. This was before Beth and Jim were married. Shortly
after Phillip found out Beth was pregnant, they had a paternity test done to
find out who the father was, and of course it was Phillip. That is probably
why he said biologically and legally, since they had the proof with the
paternity test.
HTH,
Cindy
Connie Nusser
> he was gone there was an avalanche and the plane was completely buried, so
> Phillip and Beth decided to make a good-bye tape to Lizzie. They got so
> caught up in the emotion and despair that they made love while the camera
> was still recording.
Ah, that explains the tape that Harley almost stole from Edmund
that Rick got back. Just how did Edmund end up with it? And
I wasn't watching during the San Cristobel stuff, but doesn't
Edmund have some connection there? That's a change of topic,
I guess.
> This was before Beth and Jim were married. Shortly
> after Phillip found out Beth was pregnant, they had a paternity test done to
> find out who the father was, and of course it was Phillip. That is probably
> why he said biologically and legally, since they had the proof with the
> paternity test.
Well, like someone else posted, why get hung up in reality on
a soap. <g> But I still think the presumption in the law is
that the husband is legally the father, even when it is known
that he isn't the biological father, unless the husband legally
gives up his rights. I'm not a lawyer, but that just sticks in
my head for some reason. Perhaps it does vary by state.
I missed the day that Phillip told Harley. Had a brain cramp
and didn't watch. I have always loved Harley and the actress
who plays her, and I am sorry I missed what surely was some
great scenes. I do like Harley and Phillip together, so I
hope at some point they get it worked out and she forgives
him. Although I did like the connection she had with Rick in
today's hospital scenes, and I've always been partial to Rick
as well. I have nothing against Abigail, but the Rick/Abigail
pairing just doesn't do anything for me and I think I could
go for Rick/Harley if Harley can't forgive Phillip.
Thanks for the recap on the story line!
Connie
Tina
>
>...snipped...
>Ah, that explains the tape that Harley almost stole from Edmund
>that Rick got back. Just how did Edmund end up with it? And
>I wasn't watching during the San Cristobel stuff, but doesn't
>Edmund have some connection there? That's a change of topic,
>I guess.
Edmund is Prince Richard's brother.
>...snipped...
>
>Well, like someone else posted, why get hung up in reality on
>a soap. <g> But I still think the presumption in the law is
>that the husband is legally the father, even when it is known
>that he isn't the biological father, unless the husband legally
>gives up his rights. I'm not a lawyer, but that just sticks in
>my head for some reason. Perhaps it does vary by state.
I thought that if the wife became pregnant WHILE married, the husband was
legally the father even if someone else was biologically the father. But Beth
was pregnant before they got married, so it wouldn't be the case here.
Tina
Pandora
> Ah, that explains the tape that Harley almost stole from Edmund
> that Rick got back. Just how did Edmund end up with it?
He went with Jim when they found the plane (and took credit for being the
hero) and, naturally, Phillip and Beth forgot the video and Edmund found
it.
Cuddles
>legally the father even if someone else was biologically the father. But Beth
>was pregnant before they got married, so it wouldn't be the case here.
Beth was waaay pregnant already when she and Jim got married.
Dana Carpender
Cuddles wrote:
Actually, in real time, she wasn't even *that* pregnant when she went into labor.
After all, the kid was conceived at Thanksgiving, the end of November. That makes
her maybe 6 1/2 months along, at best. No wonder Jim didn't want to induce!
Dana Carpender
Connie Nusser wrote:
> Cindy wrote:
>
> > he was gone there was an avalanche and the plane was completely buried, so
> > Phillip and Beth decided to make a good-bye tape to Lizzie. They got so
> > caught up in the emotion and despair that they made love while the camera
> > was still recording.
>
> Ah, that explains the tape that Harley almost stole from Edmund
> that Rick got back. Just how did Edmund end up with it? And
> I wasn't watching during the San Cristobel stuff, but doesn't
> Edmund have some connection there? That's a change of topic,
> I guess.
He's Prince Richard's younger brother. Tried to kill Reva and Richard's son
Jonathon, because he felt that the son of a "commoner" wasn't good enough to
become the ruler of SC. Also kidnapped Reva last summer, and left her tied up in
an oceanfront cave to drown as the tide came in (unsuccessfully, I regret to
say.) He also had a moment when he snapped seriously, and tried to kill Richard;
there was some talk of Edmund's having sustained a brain trauma at some time, and
never being the same since.
But his biggest problem seems to be that he's endlessly jealous of Richard's
position, and the fact that their father loved Richard best.
BTW, for whoever asked why Richard is Prince instead of King, apparently SC is a
principality. Think Monaco, ruled by Prince Ranier.
lizg...@mindspring.com
<cjnu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>Well, like someone else posted, why get hung up in reality on
>a soap. <g> But I still think the presumption in the law is
>that the husband is legally the father, even when it is known
>that he isn't the biological father, unless the husband legally
>gives up his rights. I'm not a lawyer, but that just sticks in
>my head for some reason. Perhaps it does vary by state.
>
I don't know how many states have adopted the Uniform Parentage Act,
but in UPA states, you are correct. This was the common law we
brought from England, so it probably applies in every state except
maybe Louisiana, which develped it's system on French law.
MsLiz
Alabama Bar since 1983
lizg...@mindspring.com
wrote:
>I thought that if the wife became pregnant WHILE married, the husband was
>legally the father even if someone else was biologically the father. But Beth
>was pregnant before they got married, so it wouldn't be the case here.
>
The Uniform Parentage Act makes the husband the presumed father if the
mother was married to him at the time of birth. It is a rebuttable
presumption.
Phillip was blowing smoke when he claimed to be the legal father. I
don't think the husband can overrule a woman's decision to induce
labor, however.
MsLiz