AMC: Casting Stones (was Casting Spoilers)
mary b
In article <19970312013...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
lilc...@aol.com (LilCappy) wrote:
>In article <5g0s4l$h...@new1.sundial.net>, wi...@sundial.net (Terry
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>>Just out of curiosity, can FAC Erica defend Erica's actions? Leslie,
>>even you have to admit this is just pure evil. And I don't see this
>>as vintage Erica Kane either. This is more like Taylor Cannon, psycho
>>at large.
I'm not FAC, but I'll defend it. Erica's actions = rage (IMO), not Evil.
Erica did not set out to deliberately send Maria into labor. And at no
time did I hear Erica threaten the baby's life.
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>Erica was deeply hurt and betrayed by those closest to her. Add to it
>that she suffered a miscarriage just before finding out that her moral
>hubby fathered her rival's baby. So, TIIC want to send her off the deep
>end and seem to be doing their damnedest to make her unredeemable, all in
>the name of perpetuating Maria's self-deluded myth as a heroine/victim.
Unredeemable? How many thousands are cheering her on in this?
No one is to blame for Maria's woes but Maria. (okay, Skye holds
some culpability, as the parties involved could have taken this
secret to their graves if they had the *real* test results).
It was Maria who, against all prevailing wisdom, allowed Kelsey
to move back into Wildwind after Sam was born. It was Maria
who *pushed* Sam onto Kelsey's breast.
It was Maria who, knowing the cat was well out of the bag, tried
to burn Skye's letter.
Maria has lied to everyone, including herself. And if that's not enough,
spoiler space
bail, Texan Bobbers!
It was Maria, a *doctor,* who shoved her way into Erica's hospital
room to accuse her of killing the baby. Oh, yeah, Erica drove into
a lake cause she heard that's what the Polar Bears are doing this
time of year.
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>All in all, this sucks. Why oh why can't TIIC make Erica nasty and bitchy
>without turning her into a monster?? What they seem to be forgetting here
>is that Erica was unwillingly dragged into this as an innocent victim, and
>everything just spiraled out of control. Why can't Erica be the victim
>deserving of sympathy while Maria is painted as the selfish and
>thoughtless twit that she is? Is that asking too much??
I don't want to see Erica as a victim. She's been a victim for two
years, and now I want to see her give Maria one big, honkin'
what-for.
Just because ELaRC plays Maria as a victim doesn't mean people
don't see what's going on when The Great Selfless One cries "MY
baby MY baby MY baby MY baby." When the truth comes out that
Edmund is this baby's daddy, she'll be the first to tear into
Skye and conveniently forget that had she and Dimwit not
been so hellbent on secrecy, all of this might never have happened.
maryBABE
FAC Bobby's Trust Fund
djm...@mindspring.com
lilc...@aol.com
In article <djmaryb-ya0231800...@news.mindspring.com>, djmaryb@it'sanewtrendmindspring.com (mary b) writes:
>>Erica was deeply hurt and betrayed by those closest to her. Add to it
>>that she suffered a miscarriage just before finding out that her moral
>>hubby fathered her rival's baby. So, TIIC want to send her off the deep
>>end and seem to be doing their damnedest to make her unredeemable, all in
>>the name of perpetuating Maria's self-deluded myth as a heroine/victim.
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>No one is to blame for Maria's woes but Maria. (okay, Skye holds
>some culpability, as the parties involved could have taken this
>secret to their graves if they had the *real* test results).
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But I am seeing the handwriting on the wall, and without giving away any spoilers, I think that there are going to be enough repercussions and fallouts from this, that the crux of this -- Erica is the one who was unwillingly dragged into Maria and Dimwit's sordid mess -- will be lost.
>Maria has lied to everyone, including herself. And if that's not enough,
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Man, I thought that Maria was off her rocker! Has she lost *all* contact with reality?? *She* is the one who ordered Erica to take the baby to the hospital, and now she is blaming Erica for a tragic accident???? It's obvious that Erica nearly died trying to save this child, but in her warped little peabrain, Maria thinks that Erica purposely set out to kill the baby.
And Dr. Perfect doesn't care about anyone's pain but her own. That was evident in how she barged into Erica's hospital room and started screeching at her. Oh, and let's not forget her callousness in the aftermath of Erica's miscarriage -- "Nature has a way of correcting its mistakes."
It just burns me no end that no matter how selfish and destructive Maria is, TIIC will find yet another way to paint her as the "Good One."
Leslie Callahan-Mantooth-Welsh, Co-Founder NYC Ratsa Cabal
FAC Erica Kane; SPERM - Erica's Guardian Angel; I'm a BABE!
(Barfing At Brooke English); Princess of ILJC; AFAC Pierce;
2% AFAC Tad; IHN&JC - VP, Keeper of the Barf Bags;
Anti-Santi -- AFAC Mateo and AFAC Santa Maria,
VP - Keeper of the Silicone; TONC; S.L.U.T.; AFCC Tony
AFACo Mat'n'Tink; On the BUSS!; SAPP (Stop All Pierce Portrayals)
"This game is all about winning." -- Bill Walton before the Knicks-Heat game on 1/26/97
Lisa Staton
In article <19970312073...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
<lilc...@aol.com> wrote:
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Wait a minute...wasn't it erica just the other week who railed against
Maria? Seems she blamed her for her miscarriage--she was a bit off
her rocker too. Sure she got over it, but seems Maria should be
allowed a chance to throw the blame back. Maybe after she has had a
chance to come to grips with her own loss, Maria to will see it wasn't
all Erica's fault. I personally think anyone who has lost a full-term
baby should have a little leway on her emotions. (though I still want
to see them deal with Maria's loss a little more realisticly--where's
the engorgement, doesn't she have a bit of a problem walking all over
the place--after all this was her first full term pregnancy!)
more spoiler warning:
Also, if as the spoilers say Erica is going to take off with the baby
isn't this a "sally brown" redo?
--lisa "I agree with who ever pointed out there just aren't any "fun"
stories right now--and I could use some"
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lilc...@aol.com
Whether or not Erica's miscarriage was Maria's "fault" (and I'm still thinking of ways to blame it on Anita), Maria *was* very callous about it to Erica -- perhaps out of guilt? Telling a woman who just went through such devastation that "Nature has a way of taking care of its mistakes" is cold. Very cold. Even more so when the one making the grand pronouncement is well into her third trimester. And I'm not going to get into how crass it is that this was said by a woman who believes she is carrying the baby of that woman's (the one who suffered the miscarriage) husband.
Erica didn't extract a promise out of Maria to take care of her baby(festus), then turn around and accuse her of destroying it out of jealousy.
And, being the uberdoctor that we are led to believe Maria to be, why couldn't she see that Erica was not in the best of health went she barged in and verbally abused her? Either Maria is a moron (and, IMO, that hasn't been ruled out yet) or she's an incredibly self-absorbed witch.
Jeremy
Leslie <lilc...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Unredeemable? How many thousands are cheering her on in this?
>>No one is to blame for Maria's woes but Maria. (okay, Skye holds
>>some culpability, as the parties involved could have taken this
>>secret to their graves if they had the *real* test results).
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>any spoilers, I think that there are going to be enough repercussions
>and fallouts from this, that the crux of this -- Erica is the one who
>was unwillingly dragged into Maria and Dimwit's sordid mess -- will be
>lost.
People are cheering Erica on because they don't like Maria, and thus are
willing to overlook the horrible, inexcusable things Erica is doing. I have
yet to see anyone defend the things Erica has done -- what I see are people
saying she never did them in the first place.
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>contact with reality?? *She* is the one who ordered Erica to take the
>baby to the hospital, and now she is blaming Erica for a tragic
>accident???? It's obvious that Erica nearly died trying to save this
>child, but in her warped little peabrain, Maria thinks that Erica
>purposely set out to kill the baby.
If not for Erica the baby would not have been in danger at all. Erica
created the situation, so trying to get the baby out of that situation
was a legal and moral obligation, not some grand gesture of kindness
deserving of any thanks.
--
Jeremy | jer...@exit109.com
Fight spam! http://www.vix.com/spam/
Tante Joan
OK, this is going around in circles so fast that I feel like (get
ready for a metaphor from the bad old days when nobody knew from
Political Correctitude) Little Black Sambo. Remember him? He watched
the tigers chase around the tree trunk until they turned into butter.
I'm still on my diet, so the image is as close as I'm getting to the
real thing.
Have I defused the situation yet with my side trips on diet and
children's literature of the 30s? No? Then how about this:
>If not for Erica the baby would not have been in danger at all. Erica
>created the situation, so trying to get the baby out of that situation
>was a legal and moral obligation, not some grand gesture of kindness
>deserving of any thanks.
Jeremy, I would never expect Maria to thank Erica at this point, and
few sane people would. It is grossly misleading, however, to say that
Erica created the situation entirely. Yes, she got Maria alone, away
from her co-conspirators, so that Erica could get some straight
answers out of her. Maria was not due for another month, and no one
but a scriptwriter with GWTW in one hand could have foreseen that her
guilt and the stress caused by attempting to lie and evade Erica's
questioning would bring on labor. It doesn't happen like that IRL,
but fortunately for you, the only laws of nature in PV are Soap Laws.
Furthermore, this harping on legal terms is, to quote Erroll Stanley
Gardner, incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial. No one gets charged
with real offenses in soapdom, only ones that lend themselves to cases
conducted by Capt. Kangaroo Court. I wouldn't dwell on moral
imperatives, either. There's enough murk to go around for everybody.
It's enough for me to focus on what is happening right now, and it
makes me sick.
If the wind continues to blow from the direction I last saw, then once
again, Santa Maria Santos, Dale, that is, is going to hang ten on the
surfboard of life. This adulteratin', aggravating', fabricatin'
hysterical mother of AMC is once more going to escape all but the very
shortest of short-term consequences for her actions (she'll grieve
over a lost child that will eventually come back to her), and others
will be censured for their cruel and unusual treatment of her.
Big deal.
Tante (Chipmunks are varmints, did you know that? Cute, but
destructive, and they never, never get into SPERM) Joan
Hope Braun
In article <19970312073...@ladder01.news.aol.com> lilc...@aol.com writes:
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>It just burns me no end that no matter how selfish and destructive Maria is, TIIC will find yet another way to paint her as the "Good One."
I agree with these comments. But I also think that her behavior was typical
Erica! Erica acted the exact same way when she had her miscarriage--blaming
Maria for causing it (because of course, Maria was jealous of her highness).
And I think the second comment about "how selfish..." also applies to Erica.
Everyone in the end always loves Erica, no matter how selfish or destructive.
I really think Maria and Erica are both acting like selfish brats!!
--
Hope E. Braun (br...@cig.mot.com)
Terry Desjardins
Sigh. I suck at making a point. As the person who kicked off this
thread, my original question was this: Will Erica face legal
prosecution for keeping the baby once she finds it and realizes it's
Maria's baby? That is where the story seems to be going and if you
ever see the promos between commercials you would know this (I don't
consider this a spoiler).
The other point I was trying to make is this behaviour is not
consistent with selfish, self centered Erica of old. It IS consistent
with Taylor Cannon, a bitch with no feelings for anyone but herself
and a nut too.
So I don't care who slept with whom, who betrayed Erica first or if
she was justified in tricking Maria into going to the cabin. I just
wanted to know if anyone out there could defend Erica KEEPING Maria's
baby once she finds it alive and letting Maria think her child is
dead. I think the person who posted Erica is becoming unredeemable
because of this story (TJ was that you?) is 100% correct. I cannot
forgive her for this no matter what I think of Maria just like I
cannot forgive what Skye did at the paternity lab.
So the best I can hope for is total abandonment by family and friends
and having Myrtle turn on her too. That might make this icky
storyline worth watching.
In article <332730a2...@library.airnews.net>,
>destructive, and they never, never get into SPERM) Joan
Terry Desjardins
ILJC: Keeper of Janet's Sanity - And I'm doing a FABULOUS job!
10% AFAC Tad - Don't be fooled - he's still a cad!
Self declared BABE - Warning: face licking scenes likely during Feb. sweeps.
IHTC: VP/COO, IHLC: Royal Executioner
Courtenay Keough
On 12 Mar 1997, Hope Braun wrote:
> I agree with these comments. But I also think that her behavior was typical
> Erica! Erica acted the exact same way when she had her miscarriage--blaming
> Maria for causing it (because of course, Maria was jealous of her highness).
> And I think the second comment about "how selfish..." also applies to Erica.
I completely agree: they're both rotten, spoiled women. However, I think
we're supposed to think that that description applies only to Erica. I
think the writers want us to side with the "perfect" Maria, and *that's*
the reason she chaps so much of Ratsa's collective hide.
Courtenay "And besides, *Erica* apologized for lashing out. Think Maria
will?" Keough
Martha Blum Lindstrom
In article <djmaryb-ya0231800...@news.mindspring.com>,
djmaryb@it'sanewtrendmindspring.com (mary b) wrote:
> It was Maria who, against all prevailing wisdom, allowed Kelsey
> to move back into Wildwind after Sam was born. It was Maria
> who *pushed* Sam onto Kelsey's breast.
Well, I don't remember Marian pushing Sam to Kelsey's breast. Didn't
Kelsey invent something that made Sam not want to take a bottle? If you
had a choice between your baby starving to death or nursing from the birth
mother, what would you do?
Martha
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Martha Blum Lindstrom
> Man, I thought that Maria was off her rocker! Has she lost *all* contact
with reality?? *She* is the one who ordered Erica to take the baby to the
hospital, and now she is blaming Erica for a tragic accident???? It's
obvious that Erica nearly died trying to save this child, but in her warped
little peabrain, Maria thinks that Erica purposely set out to kill the
baby.
Gee, I'm not one for painting women as crazies, but Maria had just given
birth. Two days after my son was born he needed to be hospitalized. I bit
off more heads than I care to admit to make sure he wasn't in any pain. I
refused to go home and wanted to be by his side. Why wouldn't Maria think
that Erica wanted to kill the baby? After all, Erica locked her in the
cabin at Willow Lake.
lilc...@aol.com
In article <mblindst-ya0240800...@news.doit.wisc.edu>, mbli...@facstaff.wisc.edu (Martha Blum Lindstrom) writes:
>Gee, I'm not one for painting women as crazies, but Maria had just given
>birth. Two days after my son was born he needed to be hospitalized. I bit
>off more heads than I care to admit to make sure he wasn't in any pain. I
>refused to go home and wanted to be by his side. Why wouldn't Maria think
>that Erica wanted to kill the baby? After all, Erica locked her in the
>cabin at Willow Lake.
Erica delivered the baby, and at Maria's insistence, drove in an icestorm to bring the baby to the hospital. Erica may be a lot of things, but she is proud of her honor and her ability to keep her word -- an alien concept to Maria.
Why would Erica risk her life to kill the baby? It was apparent to the lay people and other medical personnel that Erica had suffered greatly during the car crash, but Maria is either too stupid or too irrational to see that. It was obvious that there was a major car wreck, with the car plunging into icy waters -- isn't that a *little* extreme for someone who wants to kill a helpless baby?
Yes, Maria is going through hell right now, and as much as I hate the character, I wouldn't wish this kind of agony (losing a child) on her, or anyone. However, being grief-stricken doesn't give someone (even St. Maria) the right to crucify anyone and everyone in her path -- especially the person who risked her neck to save the baby produced by her own husband and her rival.
Dave Curtis
lilc...@aol.com wrote in article
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> In article <djmaryb-ya0231800...@news.mindspring.com>,
djmaryb@it'sanewtrendmindspring.com (mary b) writes:
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> >>Erica was deeply hurt and betrayed by those closest to her. Add to it
> >>that she suffered a miscarriage just before finding out that her moral
> >>hubby fathered her rival's baby. So, TIIC want to send her off the
deep
> >>end and seem to be doing their damnedest to make her unredeemable, all
in
> >>the name of perpetuating Maria's self-deluded myth as a heroine/victim.
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> > Unredeemable? How many thousands are cheering her on in this?
> >No one is to blame for Maria's woes but Maria. (okay, Skye holds
> >some culpability, as the parties involved could have taken this
> >secret to their graves if they had the *real* test results).
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> But I am seeing the handwriting on the wall, and without giving away any
spoilers, I think that there are going to be enough repercussions and
fallouts from this, that the crux of this -- Erica is the one who was
unwillingly dragged into Maria and Dimwit's sordid mess -- will be lost.
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ITA! I feel that what Erica did WAS justified, but the way the
writers are going, they're going to have Erica go crazy and
probably try to keep the baby.....which will keep St. Maria
up on her *pedestal* and able to blame both Erica AND Skye
for her actions! And that's just too, too bad! Erica shouldn't
be sacrificed in the name of that St. Slut!
Shenina "lurking out to brave the rapids" C.
Kathy Monroe
>2% AFAC Tad; IHN&JC - VP, Keeper of the Barf Bags;
Hey, Le-BABE, I see that you are Keeper of the Barf Bags. I'm running
quite low due to the infestation of Tannuh, and as you may recall,
Greggles barfed all over his TV so I'm sure he needs more also. Please
send them FedEx overnite and charge to my number. Thank you!
--
Evil Kathy. I'm a BABE!
Not a Ratsa Dignitary, but would *kill* to be a Hootchie Mama!!
"Hey, Brooke, wait up."
Tante Joan
On Thu, 13 Mar 97 11:45:25 GMT, wi...@sundial.net (Terry Desjardins)
wrote:
>>So I don't care who slept with whom, who betrayed Erica first or if
>she was justified in tricking Maria into going to the cabin. I just
>wanted to know if anyone out there could defend Erica KEEPING Maria's
>baby once she finds it alive and letting Maria think her child is
>dead. I think the person who posted Erica is becoming unredeemable
>because of this story (TJ was that you?) is 100% correct. I cannot
>forgive her for this no matter what I think of Maria just like I
>cannot forgive what Skye did at the paternity lab.
Terry, I didn't say that Erica is unredeemable, but I certainly said
that whoever was quoted as saying TPTB were taking Erica back to the
Erica of old was out of her/his gourd. Old Original Erica was never
evil, just wonderfully self-centered, vain, unexpectedly empathetic
(think Jenny) and sublimely original. An Erica who kept "that baby"
and let Santa Maria think it was dead is not recognizable to me as
Erica Kane.
But again, I caution against jumping the gun. I've seen the coming
attractions, and without spoiling things for Bobbers (with whom I
group myself), I am still not convinced that the worse case scenario
you paint is the only way to go from here. I can see at least 2
alternative directions from the trailer doorway, and neither of them
involves inhuman behavior.
Tante (I'm a BABE!) Joan Welsh
CEO, SPERM, The Society for the Prevention of Enmity toward Repentant
Moms; SMURF; FAULT; FAC CatRuth Martin; ILJC, Janet's Motherly Concern;
AFAC Skye; AFAC Santa Maria, Her Uncanny Brooke Impression; AFAC I Santi;
AFACo Mat'n'Tink; GO GLOHO!
Jeremy
Tante Joan <jros...@mail.med.cornell.edu> wrote:
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>But again, I caution against jumping the gun. I've seen the coming
>attractions, and without spoiling things for Bobbers (with whom I
>group myself), I am still not convinced that the worse case scenario
>you paint is the only way to go from here. I can see at least 2
>alternative directions from the trailer doorway, and neither of them
>involves inhuman behavior.
Do any of them involve getting Erica the heck off the show?
I think one big reason I got so riled up about this whole thing is
because that woman totally disgusts me, and I just want her gone. I'd
rather watch the Tanner Hour. So, I think I'm going to calm down now,
with my apologies to ratsa at large.
--
Jeremy | jer...@exit109.com
"We are all Kosh." --Kosh
Carolyn Zaccaria
>And, being the uberdoctor that we are led to believe Maria to be, why couldn't she see that Erica was not in the best of health went she barged in and verbally abused her? Either Maria is a moron (and, IMO, that hasn't been ruled out yet) or she's an incredibly self-absorbed witch.
Leslie - one thing i gotta say about you! When you have an opinion you have
no problem sharing it! That's really stickin' up for Erica - you S.L.U.T.
you really make me proud! (but do you really have to berate Maria so badly?
- yes i guess you do -).....
Leslie if there is ever a time when I need someone to defend me, I'll
definitely turn to you!! You're my big brave sistuh!!!! :)
CAZ "don't mess with Leslie!"
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Microsystems Technology Laboratories --Colette
mary b
>I think one big reason I got so riled up about this whole thing is
>because that woman totally disgusts me, and I just want her gone. I'd
>rather watch the Tanner Hour. So, I think I'm going to calm down now,
>with my apologies to ratsa at large.
Calm down, indeed, Jeremy<g>. Otherwise you might find a might
of riled up bunch of SLUTS at your door with Tanner tapes and a rope.
mary b
In article <mblindst-ya0240800...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
mbli...@facstaff.wisc.edu (Martha Blum Lindstrom) wrote:
>Well, I don't remember Marian pushing Sam to Kelsey's breast. Didn't
>Kelsey invent something that made Sam not want to take a bottle? If you
>had a choice between your baby starving to death or nursing from the birth
>mother, what would you do?
The birth mother wanted nothing to do with the baby, especaially
wanted nothing to do with breast feeding the baby. But Maria, who
had the option of allowing an IV, begged Kelsey to wet nurse her
own child. *Asking* is one thing, but not letting it go until Kelsey
caved in was another.
Due to Eva LaRue's sympathetic portrayal, I don't hate Maria, but
you must admit she had absolute zero consideration for Kelsey's
well being.
Rachel of CO
> jros...@mail.med.cornell.edu (Tante Joan) wrote in article
<332730a2...@library.airnews.net>...
> If the wind continues to blow from the direction I last saw, then once
> again, Santa Maria Santos, Dale, that is, is going to hang ten on the
> surfboard of life. This adulteratin', aggravating', fabricatin'
> hysterical mother of AMC is once more going to escape all but the very
> shortest of short-term consequences for her actions (she'll grieve
> over a lost child that will eventually come back to her), and others
> will be censured for their cruel and unusual treatment of her.
As well they should be. And Erica, as usual, thanks to all the devoted men
in her life, will get off scot-free for holding Maria hostage, putting the
baby's life in danger, and now, if the spoilers are right, for taking
(read kidnapping) the baby. So what else is new? And she certainly was
appropriately dressed for going into the woods/snow with those spike heels
on? Miss fashion horse til the end!
--
Rachel of CO (bb...@netway.net)
FAC Amanda's Stuffed Animals
ILJC; On the BUSS; AFAC Pierce
Rachel of CO
spgriffi
Oh heavens, I don't know why I am getting into the thick of all this,
but here goes...
Jeremy wrote:
>Do any of them involve getting Erica the heck off the show?
>I think one big reason I got so riled up about this whole thing is
>because that woman totally disgusts me, and I just want her gone. I'd
>rather watch the Tanner Hour. So, I think I'm going to calm down now,
>with my apologies to ratsa at large.
Jeremy, dearest, if the woman gives you so much heebie-jeebies, I am
afraid you are just going to have to find another soap opera to watch,
because I am sorry to report that Susan Lucci is with us for the
*very* long haul. We are not talking about EricaII or GreaseErica,
here. The woman just will never leave the show. So, either deal
with it or move on. (Have a 'rita and look at some pics of Eva LaRue
to help calm yourself down ;) )
Now, as to this complicated storyline:
I haven't always been happy with how the writers have handled
things (why should this story be any different than any of the other
plotlines going on right now?!), and I certainly agree with all
those who have a hard time believing that Dimitri and Maria ever
would have slept with each other, no matter how distraught they
were at the time--
But, one of the few things they are getting right for the most
part so far is spreading the blame. All of the angles of this
SIDAR have done the wrong things for the right reasons since
the--oh let's call it "indiscretion." Each action has been
perfectly *understandable* as a reaction to the circumstances:
Eddie trying to solve things by keeping a lid on it; Maria
willing to do anything to hang onto her baby and clawing at
anyone who might hurt it; Erica lashing out at all of those
who have hurt her; Dimitri--well, just being Dimitri. I don't
think the show has necessarily made anyone out to be the *good*
guy or the *bad* guy. Maria was just as over-the-top in her
hysterics at Erica for losing the kid as Erica was over finding
out that Maria slept with Dimitri--both even had that same
scary laser-beams for eyes thing going! Both reactions were
completely human and understandable, but niether were seen as
being *better* than the other. Instead, everyone keeps
digging the hole deeper and deeper. Every action just makes things
worse for everyone--and I think that is interesting writing...
Sean "Not *Great*, but Interesting" Grffin-Lait
FAC Jake (and Weeble!)
SPERM Fashion Consultant
SMURF Counselor and 12-Step Administrator
BL&P On the BUSS
Alexandra Mordecai
lilc...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, Maria is going through hell right now, and as much as I hate the character, I wouldn't wish this kind of agony (losing a child) on her, or
anyone. Howeve
>
For some reason, your posts get cut off when I try to reply to them,..
nevertheless, (and I'm trying to keep out of this thread -- too vicious
for me), I just want to make one little bitty comment, Leslie...
After a woman gives birth (in many instances), her emotions are wayyyyyy
out of whack (even if she has her baby with her and it is perfectly
healthy. After my two children were born, I was so emotionally volatile
that, looking back on those times now, I was not really in touch with
reality. So at least cut Maria a little bit of slack for hormones'
sake!!
Lexy
Carolyn Zaccaria
In article <5ga1hc$i02$1...@news1.exit109.com> Jeremy <jer...@exit109.com> writes:
>
>I think one big reason I got so riled up about this whole thing is
>because that woman totally disgusts me, and I just want her gone. I'd
>rather watch the Tanner Hour. So, I think I'm going to calm down now,
>with my apologies to ratsa at large.
Oh My God, Jeremy, you poor thing! We totally disagree here! But if
I couldn't stand watching Erica, AMC would be very hard to watch. To
rather have "the Tanner hour" says a lot and is quite extreme. You
poor poor baby, I didn't realize this was so hard for you. Maybe you
shouldn't watch? They'll never get rid of Erica - she's on for good!
I can't believe you'd rather see Tanner for an hour. I'm shocked!!!!
CAZ "Astounded by Jeremy"
Carolyn Zaccaria
>Terry, I didn't say that Erica is unredeemable, but I certainly said
>that whoever was quoted as saying TPTB were taking Erica back to the
>Erica of old was out of her/his gourd. Old Original Erica was never
I think i posted that that is what a soap opera magazine said but i
believe it to be true. She's certainly not making things for Maria
EASY!
>evil, just wonderfully self-centered, vain, unexpectedly empathetic
>(think Jenny) and sublimely original. An Erica who kept "that baby"
>and let Santa Maria think it was dead is not recognizable to me as
>Erica Kane.
I'm sorry i tend to disagree. I believe Erica to be (in addition to
the characteristics you suggest) also vindictive and self-richeous,
and always ready to "pay someone back" for what [she believes] they've
done to her. When I heard Dimitri confessing to Gloria what he was
feeling/what he had done, I think any other wife would have felt better
about what she was hearing. Instead Erica turns around and thinks "why
is he telling HER that? as If to say, "I'm gonna get him for that";
If i made an enemy of Erica I'd be "en garde" big time for what might
come to me. I don't think Ms. Kane has ever had a problem getting back
at people she thinks have betrayed her.
CAZ "TGIF EveryBUDy, we're having a blizzard!"
Jeremy
Carolyn Zaccaria <zacc...@mtl.mit.edu> wrote:
>Oh My God, Jeremy, you poor thing! We totally disagree here! But if
>I couldn't stand watching Erica, AMC would be very hard to watch. To
>rather have "the Tanner hour" says a lot and is quite extreme. You
>poor poor baby, I didn't realize this was so hard for you. Maybe you
>shouldn't watch? They'll never get rid of Erica - she's on for good!
>I can't believe you'd rather see Tanner for an hour. I'm shocked!!!!
Nah... I'm a firm believer that one character doesn't ruin an otherwise
enjoyable show. :)
I just wish she didn't have so many scenes with Maria lately -- I can't
fast-forward as much as I'd like.
--
Jeremy | jer...@exit109.com
"Bunch of animals in this town!" --Dante ("Clerks")
Carolyn Zaccaria
In article <332988...@ncsu.edu> Alexandra Mordecai <alexandra...@ncsu.edu> writes:
>healthy. After my two children were born, I was so emotionally volatile
>that, looking back on those times now, I was not really in touch with
>reality. So at least cut Maria a little bit of slack for hormones'
Lexy, girl, I do believe you're right. Ok I'll cut Maria some slack!
CAZ "I'm not leslie but i hope that's OK :)"
lilc...@aol.com
>I'm sorry i tend to disagree. I believe Erica to be (in addition to
>the characteristics you suggest) also vindictive and self-richeous,
>and always ready to "pay someone back" for what [she believes] they've
>done to her. When I heard Dimitri confessing to Gloria what he was
>feeling/what he had done, I think any other wife would have felt better
>about what she was hearing. Instead Erica turns around and thinks "why
>is he telling HER that? as If to say, "I'm gonna get him for that";
>If i made an enemy of Erica I'd be "en garde" big time for what might
>come to me. I don't think Ms. Kane has ever had a problem getting back
>at people she thinks have betrayed her.
>
>
Erica was probably embarrassed that Dimwitty was telling someone else (sheesh! how many people know this already??) that he fathered Moronia's baby. And, yes, if someone screws me over, you can bet your last dollar that I *will* make them regret it.
Leslie Callahan-Mantooth-Welsh, Co-Founder NYC Ratsa Cabal
FAC Erica Kane; SPERM - Erica's Guardian Angel; I'm a BABE!
(Barfing At Brooke English); Princess of ILJC; AFAC Pierce;
2% AFAC Tad; IHN&JC - VP, Keeper of the Barf Bags;
Rob Hartmann
> But, one of the few things they are getting right for the most
> part so far is spreading the blame. All of the angles of this
> SIDAR have done the wrong things for the right reasons since
> the--oh let's call it "indiscretion." Each action has been
<snip>
> digging the hole deeper and deeper. Every action just makes things
> worse for everyone--and I think that is interesting writing...
>
> Sean "Not *Great*, but Interesting" Grffin-Lait
ITA, Sean. Right now this is the only plot that I can stand to watch
(although if certain spoilers are true then that might change in a
hurry.) Everyone involved is acting more or less true to character, while
the situation fluctuates and grows thornier by the minute. It beats the
heck out of the plots which require one or more of the participants to act
like Thick Headed Morons or to Ignore All The Obvious Signs or whatever.
Erica is Erica ... when threatened, of course she will resort to the sort
of behavior she knows best. I personally am all for it.
Rob Hartmann
FAC Anonymous Diners at the Valley Inn
David W. B. Llewellyn
And on a lighter note . . . here's an idea.
Edmund dumps Maria and goes back to Brooke.
Dimwith and Erica reconcile.
Brooke and Erica share Wildwind.
Dave "Does the Erica/Maria plot seem a little less volatile, now?"
Llewellyn, a/k/a
Dave "Please don't hurt me. It was just a joke!" Llewellyn
--
FAC Isabella; YAMUTHA!; BL & W (Brooke Lover & Wincing);
Member without a nifty title, ILJC; Official Ugly Person of RATSA;
FOC The Angel
Shonnese Stanback
David W. B. Llewellyn wrote:
>
> And on a lighter note . . . here's an idea.
>
> Edmund dumps Maria and goes back to Brooke.
FAC Edmund on in BABE mode....
(regally) Bleeeech...ptui....I don't think so.....Eddie doesn't play
that! Go back to B_____e!?!? That ratty orange mess is like kryptonite
to we mere Widlwynians! (hands on my hips)Why, the sway of her hips,
and the everpresent hand on the side of her face are warnings to all to
bring in the women and children.....Mount Saint Brooke is gonna blow!!
(sighing loudly) Do you *honestly* think I'd leave my *baby* Maria, and
little Sam-I-Am behind for a quick lick in the face? At lease with
Maria, I can get in a good grope now then.....Brooke has *very little*
to grope. Plus, I don't think (hand raised in the air) that I could get
past the orange radioactive glow she gives off......
Besides....she's been with Pierce, the town acid man......flashback
city!
FAC off....
Shonnese--Eddie's a BABE!!
ShugaBABE
FAC Edmund Grey
Martha Blum Lindstrom
In article <djmaryb-ya0231800...@news.mindspring.com>,
djmaryb@it'sanewtrendmindspring.com (mary b) wrote:
> The birth mother wanted nothing to do with the baby, especaially
> wanted nothing to do with breast feeding the baby. But Maria, who
> had the option of allowing an IV, begged Kelsey to wet nurse her
> own child. *Asking* is one thing, but not letting it go until Kelsey
> caved in was another.
>
> Due to Eva LaRue's sympathetic portrayal, I don't hate Maria, but
> you must admit she had absolute zero consideration for Kelsey's
> well being.
Well, I was fast-forwarding quite a bit during this time so my memory is
hazy here. Breastfeeding is the best option for babies so perhaps Maria
was thinking more of Sam at this point than Kelsey's feelings.
Martha "ya, you betcha" Lindstrom
MARossberg
David W. B. Llewellyn"
ID: <332A32...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
Edmund dumps Maria and goes back to Brooke.
Dimwith and Erica reconcile.
Brooke and Erica share Wildwind.
Perhaps inadvertently, David has stumbled across something that irks me
about AMC. The longstanding feuds between such traditional rivals as
Erica and Brooke are the best part of the show--when these encounters are
actually featured, that is, which seems to be virtually never. Adam and
Palmer are another example--it was great to watch them battle it out in
days of yore, but I don't think I've seen them together in more than one
or two scenes in the last year or so (maybe Palmer's just getting a little
too long in the tooth to keep up a good feud--our loss!).
Erica and Brooke living together at Wildwind?
Great idea!