AMC: Still Stickin' with Brooke
Darren Stephens
mystified why the majority of you folks:
- hate Brooke for being attracted to/sleeping with Pierce.
- think Brooke should choose Adam over Pierce.
- favor JaNut over Brooke as a mother.
- think Pierce was a major jerk for handling JaNut so badly.
It seems that Brooke's and Pierce's errors were made because they feel
a strong attachment for one another, and want very badly not to hurt
others.
And what're you NUTS to think Adam is a better bet than Pierce? Adam,
even in his lovey-dovey vulnerable moments is propelled through life by
a desire to manipulate, not by love.
JaNut may have her strengths, but every time I see her on TV she is a
sniveling mass of unmasked neuroses, spouting simplistic platitudes.
Apparently those who think Pierce should've stuck with JaNut have never
had an annoying person pursue them even after it's painfully obvious
that the match is no longer made in heaven.
I realize that Brooke has done some wacko things lately, but I feel for
her. I do not feel for JaNut. You're expecting Brooke to be perfect
and she ain't. Maybe I'm just different kind of folks. It sure feels
lonely out here.
Lorel Stephens
ilo
Stephens) wrote:
You're not alone, Lorel. Now there are 2 of us. I agree with everything
you've said. I think people are really being harsh regarding Brooke. I
would have to say that given only those 2 choices of men, I'd pick
Pierce. (If there were other options, I wouldn't, but since there aren't,
it'd have to be Pierce instead of Adam.) I think I could handle it; I've
been involved with bigger jerks than Pierce; he'd actually be a step up
for me. :-(
Christine Malcom
> Lorel Stephens wrote:
>> I've been popping in on various Brooke-related postings and am still
>> mystified why the majority of you folks:
>>
>> - hate Brooke for being attracted to/sleeping with Pierce.
I don't hate her for this, but I do think it contradicts her image as a smart
savvy woman. Or rather, acting on it does (regrettably, I'm very aware that
controlling to whom you are attracted is not an option). The attraction is
there, I think that the materials for a successful, fulfilling relationship
like she claims to want are not. But don't get me wrong, I still hate Brooke.
>> - think Brooke should choose Adam over Pierce.
On the contrary, I think Brooke was a dunderhead for getting involved with Adam
again, was absolutely hypocritical and dishonest with him when he apologized
and begged her to come back, and plain flat out used him to soothe her bruised
ego when she though Pierce was going to marry Janet. But none of that changes
what Adam is. He's manipulative, jealous, and incapable of trusting and not
a fit partner.
>> - favor JaNut over Brooke as a mother.
The only objections I have on this score is that once again, Brooke is touted
as a perfect mother and we see direct evidence to the contrary. I don't think
that the two characters' parenting skills are related.
>> - think Pierce was a major jerk for handling JaNut so badly.
I think Pierce is being naive and immature, yes. I do not fault him for ending
the relationship, I do fault him for his dishonesty throughout (he claims that
the attraction for Brooke was longstanding) and for his refusal to realize
that JaNut has a right to be hurt and that it's perfectly normal for her to
feel as she does.
>> It seems that Brooke's and Pierce's errors were made because they feel
>> a strong attachment for one another, and want very badly not to hurt
>> others.
I see their desire not to hurt others as having taken a backseat to their
attraction in a major way, and I also substitute attraction for attachment.
>> And what're you NUTS to think Adam is a better bet than Pierce? Adam,
>> even in his lovey-dovey vulnerable moments is propelled through life by
>> a desire to manipulate, not by love.
I don't argue this is true of Adam. I do argue that it's wrong to have this
change my perception of Pierce.
>> JaNut may have her strengths, but every time I see her on TV she is a
>> sniveling mass of unmasked neuroses, spouting simplistic platitudes.
I think JaNut *could've* had strengths...I think they were leading us to her
ultimate emergence as a truly strong character, and they've dropped the ball.
I sincerely hope that now her future is secure, they'll pick this up again,
but the outlook is not promising.
>> Apparently those who think Pierce should've stuck with JaNut have never
>> had an annoying person pursue them even after it's painfully obvious
>> that the match is no longer made in heaven.
Not everyone who finds fault with Pierce believes that he should have stuck
with JaNut. And to write her off as 'annoying' because she continues to have
feelings for Pierce (and according to your views of Brooke and Pierce, you
seem to agree that there's not much one can do about having feelings, though
how they deal with them *is* within their control) is, if you'll forgive me
for quoting you, a simplistic platitude. In real life, if someone I had just
ended a relationship with for no other reason than my feelings had changed was
hurt and expressed that hurt to me, I have two options: if I value this
person's presence in my life (as Pierce claims to value JaNut's) I can try to
help them deal with their pain while being completely unambiguous about the
fact that the relationship is over and that will not change, or I can ignore
and devalue those feelings and alienate that person. If I choose the latter,
it's open season on thinking I'm an insensitive jerk.
>> I realize that Brooke has done some wacko things lately, but I feel for
>> her. I do not feel for JaNut. You're expecting Brooke to be perfect
>> and she ain't. Maybe I'm just different kind of folks. It sure feels
>> lonely out here.
I'm expecting her to be perfect (not even perfect, but good and admirable) because they keep *telling* me she is!
>You're not alone, Lorel. Now there are 2 of us. I agree with everything
>you've said. I think people are really being harsh regarding Brooke. I
>would have to say that given only those 2 choices of men, I'd pick
>Pierce. (If there were other options, I wouldn't, but since there aren't,
>it'd have to be Pierce instead of Adam.) I think I could handle it; I've
>been involved with bigger jerks than Pierce; he'd actually be a step up
>for me. :-(
How about choosing to be alone, or only be involved in casual non-committed
relationships until someone comes along that's *worth* trying to commmit to?
That's what I'd expect of the Brooke that they tell me exists that I have never
once seen evidence of.
Christine Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
Reigning Queen of AFAC Brooke
FAC Dixie's Kidney, Candidate for Forensic Anthropologist to TPTB
"This is ridiculous! What am I doing here? I'm in the wrong story...."
"Why not both instead? There's the answer if you're clever. Have a child for
warmth and a baker for bread and a prince for...whatever..."
The Baker's Wife---Into the Woods
Ashley Lambert-Maberly
>How about choosing to be alone, or only be involved in casual non-committed
>relationships until someone comes along that's *worth* trying to commmit to?
>That's what I'd expect of the Brooke that they tell me exists that I have never
>once seen evidence of.
Yes, yes yes! I remember back when Brooke told Adam (when their romance was
renewed, the first time) that she would stay in a committed relationship with
him, but would never marry him again. I thought that was a fabulous,
true-to-life move on TPTB's part, and I respected Brooke for that decision.
AMC so often acts like romance = meet, play keep-away, connect, fight, date,
get engaged, get imprisoned, get released, get married (while somebody else
has your or your fiance's baby), etc, etc ... I'd never ever seen on AMC two
mature adults agree to have a committed monogamous relationship relationship
while acknowledging that marriage was not an option.
Boy, did my hopes get dashed!
Choosing to be alone would be great; lots do it. Casual non-committed
relationships would be fun, as long as half the duos didn't became psycho
after they finished (a la Taylips).
As for Brooke's latest offer to Adam ... I've been involved in an open
relationship, and it was messy and horrible and damaging to my self esteem.
The "perfect" Brooke that we're told about should have said to Adam something
like this:
Brooke: "I've screwed up. I promised you monogamy and I brooke that promise.
Adam, I slept with Pierce. And Adam, honestly, much as I love you, and
envision a life with you, I now recognize that one man is not enough to
satisfy my sexual appetite. It doesn't mean I don't love you. It doesn't mean
I won't always be with you. And I recognize this is a rotten request to make
of you, and that it's not what you had in mind. But maybe if we talk about it,
we can work out an understanding. And maybe it'll turn out to work for you,
as well. But I do want you to know that proceeding without having discussed
it with you was wrong, and cruel, and I'm sorry."
T'ain't what happened, folks. She lied, she complained, she finally told the
truth, she acted self-righteous, and she blamed Adam. Bad behaviour.
Ashley Lambert-Maberly
(ash...@oldadm.ubc.ca)
Keeper of the FAC List, and RATSA Reading Group Moderator
FAC Marianna Starkweather, LCAS Spearcarrier #3
Pope Ular of the IHLC, & Cheese Hostess for SPERM
LilCappy
>It seems that Brooke's and Pierce's errors were made because they feel
>a strong attachment for one another, and want very badly not to hurt
>others.
That so-called concern for others sure evaporated pretty quickly, eh? If
they want to be together, fine. However, they were involved (to different
degrees) with other people and should have had the decency to break off
their other involvements as soon as they realized that they wanted each
other.
Pierce has every right in the world to lose his feelings for Janet.
However, he is a CRUD for letting her believe that the reason he left her
is because of her. If he had any decency, he would have told her that it
wasn't anything she had done -- but that he developed feelings for someone
else.
Brooke played both men against each other, manipulating and taking
advantage of both. After she boffed Pierce, but before she told Adam, she
flaunted her "relationship" with Adam in front of Pierce. She was
obviously trying to stoke his hormones and killer instinct.
>And what're you NUTS to think Adam is a better bet than Pierce? Adam,
>even in his lovey-dovey vulnerable moments is propelled through life by
>a desire to manipulate, not by love.
And who are YOU to question my sanity? Personally, I would choose Adam
hands down. But that's just my personal preference. I happen to think
that Pierce is a selfish bore. And I think that Janet deserves someone
with a personality.
>I realize that Brooke has done some wacko things lately, but I feel for
>her. I do not feel for JaNut. You're expecting Brooke to be perfect
>and she ain't. Maybe I'm just different kind of folks. It sure feels
>lonely out here.
The only people who perceive Brooke as "perfect" are the writers, who ram
it down our throats every chance they get.
>- favor JaNut over Brooke as a mother.
And Brooke is such a wonderful mother toward Jamie? I won't even get into
her whole ectopia breakdown! Sheesh! She treats Laura like a possession,
not a person. Brooke doesn't listen to her or ask why she is feeling so
bad and acting out. When it's convenient and suits her purposes, she is
concerned about Laura. Otherwise, she is just an annoyance to Saint
Brooke.
Janet cares and listens.
Leslie
FAC Erica Kane; SPERM - Erica's Guardian Angel; AFAC Brooke;
CFO/Treasurer of IHTC; Princess of ILJC; AFAC Pierce
Proud Delurking Sponsor of Jan& Linda
Chris and Holly
mr...@onr.com (mr) wrote:
>In article <ilo-010496...@ilo-mac.qualcomm.com>, i...@qualcomm.com
>>
>>> I've been popping in on various Brooke-related postings and am still
>>> mystified why the majority of you folks:
>>>
>>> - hate Brooke for being attracted to/sleeping with Pierce.
>>>
>
>
>>> I realize that Brooke has done some wacko things lately, but I feel for
>>> her. I do not feel for JaNut. You're expecting Brooke to be perfect
>>> and she ain't. Maybe I'm just different kind of folks. It sure feels
>>> lonely out here.
>>>
>>> Lorel Stephens
>>
>>You're not alone, Lorel. Now there are 2 of us. I agree with everything
>>you've said. I think people are really being harsh regarding Brooke. I
>>would have to say that given only those 2 choices of men, I'd pick
>>Pierce. (If there were other options, I wouldn't, but since there aren't,
>>it'd have to be Pierce instead of Adam.) I think I could handle it; I've
>>been involved with bigger jerks than Pierce; he'd actually be a step up
>>for me. :-(
>
>Make that 3.
>Magdalena
Up until this latest Brooke storyline I have been totally neutral on the
Brooke issue. I've never really thought much about the character, for a
while there I thought she was just someone to clean up after Erica. BUT.
I was cheering Adam on thru the whole "let's be honest and talk like adults"
crap. Today was the worst. Brooke stands there, initially admitting to
Adam that she is attracted to Pierce and would like to explore that, but
she still loves Adam and wants him to wait for her. PLEASE! If someone
came up to me, someone I was totally in love with and asked if he could
go sleep around with this other girl until he decided if he liked her
more than he liked me...well, let's just say I'd tell him to take a flying,
um, hike. Then, after Brooke realizes that Adam ain't agonna fall for
that stupid idea, well, she turns on him and actually accuses *him* of
being unreasonable! Only Adam telling her off saved the tomatoes in my
'fridge from splatting on my TV screen!
Sorry about the long rant. I'm feeling much better now. :)
Holly "so, how do I join this AFAC Brooke thing?" Elliott
LCAS Carrier of the Golden Chisel
mr
>In article <4jmn8n$o...@cloner3.netcom.com>, ddag...@ix.netcom.com (Darren
>Stephens) wrote:
>
>> I've been popping in on various Brooke-related postings and am still
>> mystified why the majority of you folks:
>>
>> - hate Brooke for being attracted to/sleeping with Pierce.
>> - think Brooke should choose Adam over Pierce.
>> - favor JaNut over Brooke as a mother.
>> - think Pierce was a major jerk for handling JaNut so badly.
>>
snipping for bandwidth
>> JaNut may have her strengths, but every time I see her on TV she is a
>> sniveling mass of unmasked neuroses, spouting simplistic platitudes.
>> Apparently those who think Pierce should've stuck with JaNut have never
>> had an annoying person pursue them even after it's painfully obvious
>> that the match is no longer made in heaven.
>>
Janice Pearson
>JaNut may have her strengths, but every time I see her on TV she is a
>sniveling mass of unmasked neuroses, spouting simplistic platitudes.
>Apparently those who think Pierce should've stuck with JaNut have
never
>had an annoying person pursue them even after it's painfully obvious
>that the match is no longer made in heaven.
>
>I realize that Brooke has done some wacko things lately, but I feel
for
>her. I do not feel for JaNut. You're expecting Brooke to be perfect
>and she ain't. Maybe I'm just different kind of folks. It sure feels
>lonely out here.
>
Lorel, I am a Janet fan but she is handling this very badly.
OTOH, Pierce should have been honest about his feelings, i.e. told
Janet much earlier that he was not in love with her and been honest
about his liaisons with Brooke too. He was feeling more platonic
towards Janet way before he got involved with Brooke. Why not tell her
then?
And Brooke, too. She has lied too long. She has to make a choice.
Instead, a choice has been made for her.
Janet, OTOH, should get a clue.
Janice
Carolyn Adams
says...
>OTOH, Pierce should have been honest about his feelings, i.e. told
>Janet much earlier that he was not in love with her and been honest
>about his liaisons with Brooke too. He was feeling more platonic
>towards Janet way before he got involved with Brooke. Why not tell her
>then?
Yeah, she'd be hinting she wanted sex, and he'd say he just had too many
things on his mind. (Like what, Cabin Boy, watching the lake all day, or
chopping down a tree? Both heavy brain teasers.)
Dishonesty in a relationship is hard to rationalize, especially when the
dishonest ones are supposed to be the good guys. Brooke made Pierce
into just another Pine Valley hypocrite. Like everybody else.
--Carolyn
Joan0328
writes:
>
>And Brooke is such a wonderful mother toward Jamie? I won't even get
into
>her whole ectopia breakdown! Sheesh! She treats Laura like a
possession,
>not a person. Brooke doesn't listen to her or ask why she is feeling so
>bad and acting out. When it's convenient and suits her purposes, she is
>concerned about Laura. Otherwise, she is just an annoyance to Saint
>Brooke.
>
>
Well, Leslie, you knew that a reference to Brooke's dismal mothering
skills would draw me into this. I agree with Ashley, I agree with you, I
agree with AFAC Brookes everywhere that her behavior has been abominable.
She deserves anything she gets now, including that creepy Pierce! Whoever
said he was acting like he's never had sex before got it in one. And
that's another reason Janet's well rid of him -- her sex life has been
dismal to date, so she probably doesn't know how meager his pickings were,
but she certainly merits some genuine, adult passion of her own. If all
the plotting and planning is to get another shot of Pierce ever six months
or so, I say, Stop The Insanity! Invoke the Insanity Clause (Yes, I know.
There is no Insanity Clause. Well, try telling that to all the elves and
reindeer, why don't you!).
Tante Joan (resigned about the pig)
CEO, SPERM -- Society for the Prevention of Enmity toward Repentant Moms
("Whether you're a Mother or Whether You're a Lover, We're Stayin' Alive,
Stayin' Alive")
AFAC Tad, Tad's Hangdog Expression; ILJC, Janet's Motherly Concern
Anne
> It seems that Brooke's and Pierce's errors were made because they feel
> a strong attachment for one another, and want very badly not to hurt
> others.
> And what're you NUTS to think Adam is a better bet than Pierce?
> I realize that Brooke has done some wacko things lately, but I feel for
> her. I do not feel for JaNut. You're expecting Brooke to be perfect
> and she ain't. Maybe I'm just different kind of folks. It sure feels
> lonely out here.
>
> Lorel Stephens
You're not alone, Lorel. You've summed up my feelings exactly.
Thanks!
Anne
Anne
> And what're you NUTS to think Adam is a better bet than Pierce?
> I realize that Brooke has done some wacko things lately, but I feel for
> her.
> Maybe I'm just different kind of folks. It sure feels
> lonely out here.
Jeremy Nixon
: In article <4jmn8n$o...@cloner3.netcom.com>, ddag...@ix.netcom.com (Darren
: Stephens) wrote:
: > I've been popping in on various Brooke-related postings and am still
: > mystified why the majority of you folks:
: >
: > - hate Brooke for being attracted to/sleeping with Pierce.
: > - think Brooke should choose Adam over Pierce.
: > - favor JaNut over Brooke as a mother.
: > - think Pierce was a major jerk for handling JaNut so badly.
: >
: > It seems that Brooke's and Pierce's errors were made because they feel
: > a strong attachment for one another, and want very badly not to hurt
: > others.
: You're not alone, Lorel. Now there are 2 of us. I agree with everything
: you've said. I think people are really being harsh regarding Brooke. I
: would have to say that given only those 2 choices of men, I'd pick
: Pierce. (If there were other options, I wouldn't, but since there aren't,
: it'd have to be Pierce instead of Adam.) I think I could handle it; I've
: been involved with bigger jerks than Pierce; he'd actually be a step up
: for me. :-(
Huh? How can you *not* despise Brooke? Whether Adam is worthy isn't
important. She cheated on him and lied to him, and then when she finally
came clean, she got *mad* at him for not thinking it was the single most
wonderful thing she's ever done, and for not "giving her time" to do the
nasty with Cabin Boy so she would still have Adam to come running back to
if things didn't work out the way she planned.
I, for one, was yelling at my screen, "Just walk out, Adam! The tramp
doesn't deserve you! She doesn't even deserve Pierce!"
If a woman treated me like that, I don't think forgiveness would be
forthcoming. Ever.
Jeremy
jer...@injersey.com
FAC Kelsey - Keeper of the Baby Monitor
ILJC - Watcher At The Well
ilo
Nixon) wrote:
For me personally, I don't despise any character. There are things to
like and dislike about every character, as is true in RL people.
First of all, what has Brooke done that Adam hasn't done, and worse? Yes,
Brooke cheated on Adam. But, have you forgotten that Adam also cheated on
Brooke (and used Dixie) when he had a child with another woman WHILE THEY
WERE MARRIED? Brooke forgave him. If Brooke is a tramp, so's Adam.
Secondly, he's tried to be more honest this time around, but he still
played games/manipulated her, (i.e. trying to use Janet to do his "dirty
work" in separating Brooke and Pierce, saying that he was speaking to
Pierce to commission a portrait (so Brooke took him up on it, playing
right along with him).) He's not as innocent as you want him to be. Adam
has lied repeatedly to Brooke, as well as to everyone else.
Adam wouldn't be Adam if he didn't lie, manipulate, cheat, and dominate.
I'm not saying that what was fair for Adam is fair for Brooke, but what I
am saying is that you shouldn't condemn Brooke for cheating when Adam did
it as well. That would be just as hypocritical as what people are
accusing Brooke of being. If Brooke was strong enough to forgive Adam for
all of his mistakes (some intentional), then Adam should do the same, and
people shouldn't see him as the "poor, misunderstood, hurt soul".
Barbara L. Horton
: Only Adam telling her off saved the tomatoes in my
: 'fridge from splatting on my TV screen!
:
: Holly "so, how do I join this AFAC Brooke thing?" Elliott
You're in, sister! After that rant (and a beautiful rant it was), I,
with no authority whatsoever, waive all initiation rituals and
application processes normally required and hereby order Ms. Rob-Bob
"Bartender" Ansley to begin the flow of Strawberry 'Ritas for all
AFAC sisters 'round the world! Hahahahaha -- I'm mad with power --
*mad*, I tell you!!!
--
Barb-Bob,
FAC Bobby Warner, AFAC Brooke, LCAS Mother-Daughter Relations Therapist,
IHLC Lady in Waiting for PV-ites to stop reminiscing about what a
wonderful woman that hypocrite was, NSP Sponsor of Sharon McKenna, T:IHSB
Calz at The Dorsai Embassy
>mystified why the majority of you folks:
>- hate Brooke for being attracted to/sleeping with Pierce.
I don't hate her for being attracted to Pierce. I do hate the fact that she
gave in to her desires. Not because of Adam, but because of Janet. If Janet
saved my child I would cut off my right arm before I did anything to hurt
her. Brooke is supposed to be a "good guy" and yet TPTB have her jumping into
the sack with this guy at her first inclination. It may be human but it
reeks. I would much rather that TPTB showed a strong woman who, although
strongly attracted to the big lug, resisted the temptation because it was the
right thing to do. She could have waited until Pierce broke up with Janet.
And waited still until Janet seemed to be over him. And for good measure,
they could have had her talk it over with Janet. Her speech could have gone
something like this:
"Janet, I'm forever in your debt for saving Jamie's life. I don't want to do
anything to hurt you, but I find myself strongly attracted to Pierce. I know
that you are no longer seeing him but I will not act on my feelings if I know
you will be hurt by it."
At this point the storyline could continue much as it is right now. Janet
would have instinctively known that Pierce broke up with her because of his
attraction to Brooke. She would be covering her feelings very well, and would
probably give Brooke the green light. Maybe if it happened that way I
wouldn't feel so gleeful at Janet's systematic stalking of Brooke.
-Nancy- (ca...@dorsai.org)
Home Page: http://www.dorsai.org/~calz
Carolyn Zaccaria
>Huh? How can you *not* despise Brooke? Whether Adam is worthy isn't
>important. She cheated on him and lied to him, and then when she finally
Well, I'm not yet up to despising her exactly, but for an ex-Fac Brooke,
i will admit i don't like her much.
CAZ
LilCappy
(Carolyn Zaccaria) writes:
>Well, I'm not yet up to despising her exactly, but for an ex-Fac Brooke,
>i will admit i don't like her much.
Hey, Caz! Ready to come over and have some strawberry 'ritas??
Sylvia Nolan
> I would much rather that TPTB showed a strong woman who, although
>strongly attracted to the big lug, resisted the temptation because it was the
>right thing to do. She could have waited until Pierce broke up with Janet.
>And waited still until Janet seemed to be over him.
Except that Brooke has already done that plotline - remember her and
Edmund, the scene after their big oatmeal, oops, I mean quicksand dip,
when she *really* wanted him, but said "no" to temptation.
Sylvia Sue-Bob "I could *never* turn down Edmund! Get out of my way,
Kelsey - I saw him first!"
Carolyn Zaccaria
>
>Hey, Caz! Ready to come over and have some strawberry 'ritas??
Hi Leslie, Yes I'm sure i should consider it...:)
Caz "Hi Jacque!!!! I'll send email!!!!!"
Carole Kever
>
>In article <4js7hs$9...@nkosi.well.com>, jer...@well.sf.ca.us (Jeremy
>Nixon) wrote:
>
>First of all, what has Brooke done that Adam hasn't done, and worse? Yes,
>Brooke cheated on Adam. But, have you forgotten that Adam also cheated on
>Brooke (and used Dixie) when he had a child with another woman WHILE THEY
>WERE MARRIED? Brooke forgave him. If Brooke is a tramp, so's Adam.
>
Brooke forgave Adam? Brooke divorced Adam at the time and it took years
and years before she was able to forget it--and I don't think she EVER forgave
Adam for sleeping with Dixie. By the way, I agree that they're both tramps.
Adam's shortcomings are well known, but the difference is that Brooke has
always been presented as such a GOOD person who always does the right
think, always considers other people's feelings, etc. I think we are all so
bothered by this storyline but it is so unlike the SAINT Brooke we're used to
seeing. Her behavior of late has been more like the rebel teenage Brooke
when she first came to PV. After she married St. Tom, she became St. Brooke
and has held the title ever since.
Carole Kever
ilo
cke...@ds1.is.lmsc.lockheed.com (Carole Kever) wrote:
Yes, it did take Brooke years and years, but I think Brooke forgave him
but didn't forget it. If she didn't forgive him, I don't think she would
have gotten involved with him again. She could've easily thrown his affair
back in his face when he started slamming her for cheating on him, but she
never did. She didn't try to justify her excuse by saying that he had
done the same. She honestly said that she was confused. Granted, she did
kind of accuse him of pushing her to it, but maybe he did.
I have never thought of her as a saint, but Brooke *is* a good person.
She is not out to hurt anyone, as in devising devious schemes setting up
the downfall of others through manipulations and lies -- unlike Adam,
Janet, Liza, Marion (recently), Taylor, etc. Brooke ended up hurting
people, but this does happen, even in RL. Sometimes, you go about your
life and whether you intended it or not, someone gets hurt. There is NO
WAY that Brooke is a saint. She's made mistakes before; she'll do it
again. She's human. (Okay, she's a *character* who's human.) Since
viewers/writers have put her on the SAINT pedestal, she can't make an
interesting move or she'll fall off. What kind of soap character is it
who can't do any wrong?? (One relegated to backburner status) It's either
the writers or the viewers (I think both) who've put Brooke into such a
position that nothing can be done to make her more realistic. If she
doesn't do anything wrong but tries to help, her character gets criticized
for always being the goody-goody, and she's looked down upon. "Oh, it's
Saint Brooke, always sticking her nose into places it doesn't belong." Or
if she does do something wrong or human, then again she's demonized for
falling off her pedestal. Let her try and be a normal, realistic
character who has good points and flaws. I think she'd be a much more
interesting character if you'd only let her get off the pedestal every
once in a while and spice things up.
What would we do if Janet & Pierce got married, lived forever in the cabin
with absolutely no conflict whatsoever? I'll put in my 2 cents and say,
"it'd be boring."
Nancy Kay
know the truth" (something like that) would come out of Brooks mouth.
Nancy K
--
Nancy K
LilCappy
(ilo) writes:
>Granted, she did kind of accuse him of pushing her to it, but maybe he
did.
What kind of logic is THAT??? So, that means that she can do anything she
likes, yet not bear any of the blame?
>I have never thought of her as a saint, but Brooke *is* a good person.
>She is not out to hurt anyone, as in devising devious schemes setting up
>the downfall of others through manipulations and lies -- unlike Adam,
>Janet, Liza, Marion (recently), Taylor, etc. Brooke ended up hurting
>people, but this does happen, even in RL. Sometimes, you go about your
>life and whether you intended it or not, someone gets hurt.
Ok, maybe the first time that she and Pierce did the nasty, it was "out of
their control." (However, doing it in Adam's cabin and scarfing down his
food was really tacky.) As for the next sickening romp, she KNEW that
what they were doing would devastate Janet. It's like saying to Janet:
"Yeah, thanks for risking your life to save my kid. By the way, I hope
you don't mind that 'destiny' made me boff your beau a few times. Then
again, I don't *really* care how you feel, as long as I get mine. Ta-ta."
>I think she'd be a much more interesting character if you'd only let her
get off the >pedestal every once in a while and spice things up.
It's the WRITERS who have been ramming that crap down our throats for what
seems like an eternity. We all know that Janet is a flawed person, but
those of us who like her do it knowing that she isn't put forth as some
angel, while we think HYPOCRITE.
LilCappy
AMC: Still Stickin' it to Brooke.
That way, we could talk about Pierce's sudden sex drive.
I don't remember who said it, but he sure is acting like this is the first
time he ever got any.
Carolyn Zaccaria
>seeing. Her behavior of late has been more like the rebel teenage Brooke
>when she first came to PV. After she married St. Tom, she became St. Brooke
>and has held the title ever since.
Even Laura called her St. Brooke! But she's not behaving like a Saint.
I'm ready for the strawberry 'rita Leslie!!!! :)
>Carole Kever
CAZ "My best girlfriend spells her name "Carole" with an "e" too!"
ilo
wrote:
> In article <ilo-040496...@ilo-mac.qualcomm.com>, i...@qualcomm.com
> (ilo) writes:
>
> >Granted, she did kind of accuse him of pushing her to it, but maybe he
> did.
>
> What kind of logic is THAT??? So, that means that she can do anything she
> likes, yet not bear any of the blame?
Logic doesn't always come into play when dealing with emotions and
desires. Brooke isn't as committed as a married person. Let's look at
that group of people. How many married people have affairs knowing that
they shouldn't? Why is the divorce rate at 50%+? How many people
knowingly do the wrong/immoral thing & then justify it to themselves?
i.e. they're SO isn't around or doesn't pay enough attention to them;
their spouses don't treat them as well; they're SO isn't as affectionate
or attractive as some other person; the list goes on. It happens whether
logic comes into it or not. If someone wants to do something they know is
wrong, s/he will rationalize it to the point that the other person drove
them to it. Are you saying it doesn't happen in RL?
Here's a question. How come NOT A SOUL has made a negative comments about
Erica's infidelity? The most I've read was "Wow, I can't believe she told
Dimitri she was driving the car? Now let's see if she'll tell about her
affair." She hasn't told Dimitri (just like Pierce and Brooke didn't tell
their partners). Why is Erica not subject to the same scrutiny? There
are at least 100 posts as to Pierce's and Brooke's affair, and why they
are scum for not telling their SOs, not spouses, just the person they're
(kind of) committed to?
> >I have never thought of her as a saint, but Brooke *is* a good person.
> >She is not out to hurt anyone, as in devising devious schemes setting up
> >the downfall of others through manipulations and lies -- unlike Adam,
> >Janet, Liza, Marion (recently), Taylor, etc. Brooke ended up hurting
> >people, but this does happen, even in RL. Sometimes, you go about your
> >life and whether you intended it or not, someone gets hurt.
>
> Ok, maybe the first time that she and Pierce did the nasty, it was "out of
> their control." (However, doing it in Adam's cabin and scarfing down his
> food was really tacky.)
Yeah, it was tacky, but there was a certain sense of twisted irony. I
also don't agree it was "out of their control". They just didn't want to
control themselves. Simple as that.
As for the next sickening romp, she KNEW that
> what they were doing would devastate Janet. It's like saying to Janet:
> "Yeah, thanks for risking your life to save my kid. By the way, I hope
> you don't mind that 'destiny' made me boff your beau a few times. Then
> again, I don't *really* care how you feel, as long as I get mine. Ta-ta."
That's exactly what my now ex-best friend did to me. Well, I didn't save
her kid, nor did she save mine, but she shafted me without a second
thought for a guy I was going out with. I had thought our friendship
would've meant more to her, but apparently things like these don't always
come to mind when "destiny/hormones" take control of you. I wished they
did (at least for her), but I wasn't lucky, and neither was Janet.
> >I think she'd be a much more interesting character if you'd only let her
> get off the >pedestal every once in a while and spice things up.
>
> It's the WRITERS who have been ramming that crap down our throats for what
> seems like an eternity. We all know that Janet is a flawed person, but
> those of us who like her do it knowing that she isn't put forth as some
> angel, while we think HYPOCRITE.
Maybe they're trying to stop ramming the crap now - with this storyline.
She's made mistakes, and she'll continue to lie to cover up her mistakes.
If I were given a great memory, and enough time, I can come up with
examples of hypocrisy for practically every major character on the show.
For me, saying that Brooke is a hypocrite is just the same as saying it
for every other character during a previous storyline.
Elyse Levine
>
>>
>Here's a question. How come NOT A SOUL has made a negative comments about
>Erica's infidelity? The most I've read was "Wow, I can't believe she told
>Dimitri she was driving the car? Now let's see if she'll tell about her
>affair." She hasn't told Dimitri (just like Pierce and Brooke didn't tell
>their partners). Why is Erica not subject to the same scrutiny? There
>are at least 100 posts as to Pierce's and Brooke's affair, and why they
>are scum for not telling their SOs, not spouses, just the person they're
>(kind of) committed to?
>
I think I can answer this question. Anyone who has watched AMC for any
length of time *expects* Erica to behave this way. She's probably had
more lovers than any other character on the show, and has been
unfaithful/deceitful/untruthful with them in other situations in the
past. When Erica behaves this way I barely notice - its very much in
character. We don't expect Brooke to behave this way.
-Elyse
Ryan Costa
writes:
>In article <4k11t9$9...@butch.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
>cke...@ds1.is.lmsc.lockheed.com (Carole Kever) wrote:
>
>> In article <ilo-020496...@ilo-mac.qualcomm.com>,
i...@qualcomm.com
>(ilo) says:
>> >
>> >In article <4js7hs$9...@nkosi.well.com>, jer...@well.sf.ca.us
(Jeremy
>> >Nixon) wrote:
>> >
>> <snip>
>> >First of all, what has Brooke done that Adam hasn't done, and
worse? Yes,
>> >Brooke cheated on Adam. But, have you forgotten that Adam also
cheated on
>> >Brooke (and used Dixie) when he had a child with another woman
WHILE THEY
>> >WERE MARRIED? Brooke forgave him. If Brooke is a tramp, so's
Adam.
>> >
>> <snip>
I always thought it was pretty funny that when Adam and Dixie first
started to do the nasty she called him "Mr. Chandler" a few times.
Isn't that taking your nanny duties a bit far?
Roanna
Still AFAC Brooke
Darren Stephens
writes:
>... As for the next sickening romp, she KNEW that
>what they were doing would devastate Janet. It's like saying to
Janet: "Yeah, thanks for risking your life to save my kid. By the way,
I hope you don't mind that 'destiny' made me boff your beau a few
times. Then again, I don't *really* care how you feel, as long as I
get mine. Ta-ta."
>
her get off the >pedestal every once in a while and spice things up.
>
>It's the WRITERS who have been ramming that crap down our throats for
>what seems like an eternity. We all know that Janet is a flawed
>person, but those of us who like her do it knowing that she isn't put
>forth as some angel, while we think HYPOCRITE.
Ahem...
I'm assuming here that you're saying that Brooke is being put forth as
an angel. I'd like to see proof, please, that she is being put forth
as an angel. I see no wings, no halo; I hear no one saying "Brooke is
such an angel." Why I even hear other characters sarcastically refer
to her as Saint Brooke.
Brooke has been playing by the book for a long time, but she snappped,
okay? Her character is changing, okay? She's showing sides of her
that she hasn't done before (except perhaps in her wild youth), okay?
I'm sorry that YOU had her on a pedestal and that you are disappointed
that she fell off.
Seeing as how you are an FAC Erica, I can understand your being caught
up in a fragile fantasy. After all, Erica will never change. She hs
been, and will always be a shallow, self-serving annoyance. Not that I
don't deep down feel sorry for her because of her inability to grow up,
but, geez, will she never learn? Her displays with Dimitri are
dis-GUSTING! She's pretending to be so real and honest with him, but
all the time she's putting on this disgusting, hackneyed, inappropriate
sex-kitten act with him.
If you prefer your characters to remain arrested in state of
James-Bond-Girliness, then fine. I prefer someone who metamorphoses a
bit.
Lorel Stephens
Mary Jo Klein
>
> Ahem...
>
> I'm assuming here that you're saying that Brooke is being put forth as
> an angel. I'd like to see proof, please, that she is being put forth
> as an angel. I see no wings, no halo; I hear no one saying "Brooke is
> such an angel." Why I even hear other characters sarcastically refer
> to her as Saint Brooke.
>
> Brooke has been playing by the book for a long time, but she snappped,
> okay? Her character is changing, okay?
She's showing sides of her> that she hasn't done before (except perhaps
in her wild youth), okay?
Couldn't be truer. I would hate to hear what people said about me during
some of my major changing years, like before I married spouse #1, before
I divorced spouse #1, before I dumped fiance #1, etc.....Here's me,
getting my catholic guilt together to go to confession..."Bless me
father for I have sinned, my last confession was 20 years ago and this
is going to sound like a soap opera"
I think Brooke is being quite realistic. Confusion does confusing things
to people. That's where the expression, "She's just not herself today",
comes from. Being dishonest and sneaky and then being asked to stick
with your code of honesty would make me squirm too.
Mary Jo (still having urges to do something wild and dangerous) Klein
Ashley Lambert-Maberly
>I'm assuming here that you're saying that Brooke is being put forth as
>an angel. I'd like to see proof, please, that she is being put forth
>as an angel. I see no wings, no halo; I hear no one saying "Brooke is
>such an angel." Why I even hear other characters sarcastically refer
>to her as Saint Brooke.
Trevor (the voice of the common man) has no problem with what Brooke has
done, except for how it might endanger her life down the line. Phoebe (the
advice columnist) is thrilled that Brooke has snagged Pierce. Stuart,
pure wisdom incarnate, has offered them his blessing. Surely as more
characters learn about this turn of events, they'll all be pleased that that
nice painter Pierce and that sweet St. Brooke have found one another. So far
nobody who hasn't been immediately hurt (i.e. Adam & Janet) has expressed
anything other than good wishes.
I still hold tight to my guns that the writers posit that Brooke's actions are
fine and normal and in keeping with her good moral character. Until I see a
Dimitri or Maria or Dixie or Ruth telling Brooke that they're shocked she
would sleep with Pierce while being committed to Adam, I'll hardly change my
mind.
That said, of course I find sleazy Brooke more interesting than St. Brooke,
and I hold out the faint hope that Sean's right and the writers intend us
RATSAfarians to be more discriminating in our analysis of the character than
the average viewer, or dare say, the average character. I also have a feeling
that the further this goes on, the closer we'll all get to agreeing with one
another, as the AFACs delight in Brooke's more nefarious behaviour, and the
FACs delight that Brooke is at last revealed to be human, not alabaster.
Ashley Lambert-Maberly
Darren Stephens
writes:
>
>Logic doesn't always come into play when dealing with emotions and
>desires. Brooke isn't as committed as a married person.
I agree on both these points. And, though I am completely
sympathitetic, I think she done Adam wrong. HOWEVER, let's remember
who Adam is, and what he's capable of doing to folks, especially the
ones he "loves." It was dumb of Brooke to get re-involved with him,
but, having said that, I don't blame her for (a) straying from him and
(b) being less than forthright about telling him about it.
>
>Here's a question. How come NOT A SOUL has made a negative comments
about
>Erica's infidelity?
Oh, God, thanks for bringing that up. I've been so revulsed by her
overall deportment lately that this "detail" has slipped my mind. Man,
I hope that really blows up in her face.
>
>That's exactly what my now ex-best friend did to me. Well, I didn't
save
>her kid, nor did she save mine, but she shafted me without a second
>thought for a guy I was going out with. I had thought our friendship
>would've meant more to her, but apparently things like these don't
always
>come to mind when "destiny/hormones" take control of you.
It doesn't always take hormones for best friend to gain the "ex"
prefix. And when that happens, that's the unkindest cut of all. I've
had a couple of long-time friendships come to ugly halts with no
satisfactory explanation. It hurts. It will always hurt. I wish they
had merely stolen boyfriends, but instead they simply trashed our
friendship and gone on, apparently without looking back. Fortunately
there are lots of _good_ ones out there still. I mean friends. I
don't know about boyfriends.
>
>Maybe they're [the writers] trying to stop ramming the crap now - with
this storyline. ... For me, saying that Brooke is a hypocrite is just
the same as saying it for every other character during a previous
storyline.
Again, I agree. These soap folks have to live a good long time, we see
them through many phases, just like real folks.
Lorel
Jeremy
> In article <4k2ge5$7...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lilc...@aol.com (LilCappy)
> wrote:
> Here's a question. How come NOT A SOUL has made a negative comments about
> Erica's infidelity? The most I've read was "Wow, I can't believe she told
> Dimitri she was driving the car? Now let's see if she'll tell about her
> affair." She hasn't told Dimitri (just like Pierce and Brooke didn't tell
> their partners). Why is Erica not subject to the same scrutiny? There
Erica's not even worth writing about. I fast-forward through 90% of her
scenes anyway. While Brooke is a character I can get into not liking,
Erica just isn't enjoyable at any level.
Jeremy
jer...@injersey.com
Darren Stephens
>
<wonderful stuff snipped -- hope others go back in the thread to
read it>
>
>Mary Jo (still having urges to do something wild and dangerous) Klein
Just a remark about the "still having urges..." in your signature: I
think you've hit on a reason while I'll always be sticking with Brooke.
She really does try to play things by the book, honestly and fairly.
I try, too. (Though I'm not nearly as successful -- I have yet to open
up a homeless shelter, for instance.) However, it does take a lot of
energy for a person like me to try to be good and kind. And I'm not
even Catholic. So I suppose to me Brooke getting some excitement, and
getting to have reciprocal hot sex, and, hopefully, love, with a guy is
my idea of justice. Maybe I'm twisted, but this is a logical way to
explain my emotions about the whole thing.
Brooke forever!
Lorel Stephens
Natasha Cherniack
>Ahem...
>
>I'm assuming here that you're saying that Brooke is being put forth as
>an angel. I'd like to see proof, please, that she is being put forth
>as an angel. I see no wings, no halo; I hear no one saying "Brooke is
>such an angel." Why I even hear other characters sarcastically refer
>to her as Saint Brooke.
>
>okay? Her character is changing, okay? She's showing sides of her
>that she hasn't done before (except perhaps in her wild youth), okay?
>that she fell off.
Ahem...
Brooke "plays by the book"? Now I'll agree that she's no Janet but
this women sticks her nose into everybodies buisness and then passes
judgement on them. Case in point: Adam's kidnapping. It had NOTHING
to do with her yet she was convinced that Haley had arranged it.
After telling her theory to anyone who would listen, she then
confronts Haley and tells her off for her inability to deal with her
father's action and that she had no right to kidnap him blah blah
sanctimonius blah...
>Seeing as how you are an FAC Erica, I can understand your being caught
>up in a fragile fantasy.
Was that tone really necessary?
>If you prefer your characters to remain arrested in state of
>James-Bond-Girliness, then fine. I prefer someone who metamorphoses a
>bit.
Yup, and has affairs with stud muffins when involved in a monogomous
relationship. Hey at least Erica has an excuse, she's Erica Kane :)
Natasha
Brenda Smith
>
> In <ilo-050496...@ilo-mac.qualcomm.com> i...@qualcomm.com (ilo)
> writes:
>
> >
> >Logic doesn't always come into play when dealing with emotions and
> >desires. Brooke isn't as committed as a married person.
>
> I agree on both these points. And, though I am completely
> sympathitetic, I think she done Adam wrong. HOWEVER, let's remember
> who Adam is, and what he's capable of doing to folks, especially the
> ones he "loves." It was dumb of Brooke to get re-involved with him,
> but, having said that, I don't blame her for (a) straying from him and
> (b) being less than forthright about telling him about it.
>
> >
> about
> >Erica's infidelity?
>
> overall deportment lately that this "detail" has slipped my mind. Man,
> I hope that really blows up in her face.
> >
[...snip...]
Ok, this is my first time posting, I was going to wait until I came
across
the FAQ; but I couldn't resist. I have been watching AMC for 8 years
and in those 8 years certain characters have been presented as the
symbols of
perfection. I know some people don't like the word "perfection", but I
think
it is appropriate. I have no problem with certain characters being
portrayed
as "goody-two-shoes" on one end of the spectrum while the morally
bankrupt
tip the scales on the other end. In simpler terms, Brooke - good, Adam
- bad.
Sure Brooke has made mistakes in her past, just as Adam has performed
some
genuinely kind deeds in his. However, when it comes to expectations, at
least my own expectations, I expect the worst from Adam and I expect
Brooke
to "do the right thing". I am not shocked when Erica has an affair or
gets
a divorce, another day - another broken marriage. I expect St. Maria to
whine,
I expect Dixie to be naive, and so forth... Therefore, Brooke's actions
are out of character and there is no excuse for her actions. She
defined
the relationship between herself and Adam, sure they weren't married,
but
that's the kind of 90's thing she wanted - not Adam. I definitely blame
her for straying and for not being honest with Adam, as I blame Erica
for
her infidelity; but the difference is Brooke - good, Erica - bad.
Brooke
didn't sleep with Pierce because she knew Adam would eventually screw up
their relationship; if that were the case, she wouldn't have involved
herself
with him (Adam) in the first place. She slept with Pierce out of pure
lust.
She didn't tell Adam until forced to do so because she felt guilty and
wanted
to keep her dirty little secret all to herself. I expect Brooke to be
logical
and Adam to be irrational, but the big blow-up last week was poignantly
different. Let's see Brooke asked Adam to understand her "confusion"
and
then blamed him for her actions when he didn't demonstrate the
"appropriate"
patience and compassion. If she has feelings for Pierce, that's fine -
but
she shouldn't have been exploring those feelings at all while in a
serious
relationship with Adam. Is it not possible for her to have a close
relationship with a man without sleeping with him? Is Trevor next?
Just my opinion,
Brenda
P.S. Erica is definitely not in the same ballpark as Adam, she's just
not
angelic like St. Maria and Brooke.
Brenda Smith
Sean P. Griffin
>Ok, this is my first time posting, I was going to wait until I came
>across the FAQ; but I couldn't resist. I have been watching AMC for
>8 years and in those 8 years certain characters have been presented
>as the symbols of perfection.
[thoughtful but still anti-Brooke stuff deleted...only for space,
mind you--I'm not censoring her...much :)) ]
Brenda!!
Well done, and welcome to the world of RATSA! Pull up a comfy chair
and have a Frango! (What you don't know what they are? Well, just
close your eyes and open your mouth and get ready for a choclatey-
minty-cream surprise!) I'm sure the AFAC Brooke brigade will be
by at any second with strawberry 'ritas and nachos.
Now...
does any of the above make sense?!? If so, then sweetheart, you've
lurked long enough and don't need no stinkin' FAQ! If some of this
is still a bit puzzling, then let some one know what you don't
understand, we love to help out (There's even a newbie sponsorship
program!). Again, welcome!
Sean "Whew! This Welcome Wagon Stuff is a Lot of Work!" Griffin
FAC WobblyCam (and Weeble!)
SPERM Viv's Left Eyebrow
BL&P
Carolyn Zaccaria
>Erica's not even worth writing about. I fast-forward through 90% of her
>scenes anyway. While Brooke is a character I can get into not liking,
>Erica just isn't enjoyable at any level.
Aw Jeremy, if you watch her sometimes she has some really good lines.
Sometimes so self-serving you have to laugh!
I have been FF'ing thru all of the Julia and Noah love scenes/kissing
in the water etc. wicked boring! I know what smooching looks like!
CAZ
Darren Stephens
Cherniack) writes:
>Brooke "plays by the book"? Now I'll agree that she's no Janet but
>this women sticks her nose into everybodies buisness and then passes
>judgement on them. .... blah blah sanctimonius blah...
Thanks, Natasha. At last a sound response to my statement. You're
right. She doesn't play by the book. She tries, but she has been
butting in enough to be considered the logical replacement for Phoebe
when she kicks off.
By the way, please let LilCappy know what you've noticed about Brooke.
She doesn't notice and remember things like you do.
>Was that tone really necessary?
I apologize, but I'm sick of seeing a multitude of nasty Brooke-related
posts, and I find Erica a zillion times more irritating than Brooke.
Hence I took a shot at her. I'd be much nicer to her in person, I
promise.
>
>>If you prefer your characters to remain arrested in state of
>>James-Bond-Girliness, then fine. I prefer someone who metamorphoses
>>a bit.
>
>Yup, and has affairs with stud muffins when involved in a monogomous
>relationship. Hey at least Erica has an excuse, she's Erica Kane :)
Thanks for the :) I needed that.
Lorel
Leslie Feffer
In article <4kcn3t$c...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Darren Stephens
wrote:
>I apologize, but I'm sick of seeing a multitude of nasty
Brooke-related
>posts, and I find Erica a zillion times more irritating than
Brooke.
>Hence I took a shot at her. I'd be much nicer to her in person,
I
>promise.
Nicer to whom? Erica Kane or me? Here's a clue: ONE of us is a
real person, the other is a fictional character. I'm betting that
you can't differentiate between the two.
Perhaps you should have directed your apology to ME -- the person
you insulted and assumed so many dumbass things about. You know
CRAP about me, yet you see fit to assume all sorts of nasty things
about me.
Reality. Try it sometime.
Leslie
FAC Erica Kane; SPERM - Erica's Guardian Angel; AFAC Brooke (Brooke, I know Janet Green, and you are no Janet Green!);
Calz at The Dorsai Embassy
>Ok, this is my first time posting, I was going to wait until I came
>across the FAQ; but I couldn't resist. I have been watching AMC
>for 8 years and in those 8 years certain characters have been
>like the word "perfection", but I think it is appropriate. I have
>no problem with certain characters being portrayed as
>"goody-two-shoes" on one end of the spectrum while the morally
>bankrupt tip the scales on the other end. In simpler terms,
>Brooke - good, Adam - bad. }
Wow, Brenda, great first post! You put my feelings regarding this thing with
Brooke, Adam & Pierce into just the right words.
I agree with you 100 percent. And to this, add the additional problem of
Janet. If for nothing else, good Brooke should have resisted because she
didn't want to hurt the person who saved the life of her child. Brooke
conveniently forgot this little fact in her hurry to jump onto the fur rug
with Pierce.
So, if there's a Brooke smacking line forming, I want to get on it!
-Nancy- (ca...@dorsai.org)
Home Page: http://www.dorsai.org/~calz
l...@mail.snet.net
holier-than-thou attitude. But let's consider recent events:
1) Janet saved Brooke's child's life. You think she would have some
concern for Janets feelings. She KNOWS Janet's nuts about Pearce but
she hopped in the sack with him in nothin' flat!
2) Adam, for Adam, has been behaving much better. True, he was
domineeering as always but he did pressure Brookie-poo a lot less
about marriage. He really tried to hold back his jealousy when she
flirted with Pierce etc. This is how she treats someone she "loves"?
Who, with all of his faults, really loved her.
3) Brooke is too dumb to figure out that Laura is shoplifting again
because she feels the family she had established with Janet and
Pierce has been destroyed. Instead of thinking about this, little miss
home-wrecker just nags at her with that "just you listen young lady"
stuff.
Frankly, I hope Pierce dumps Brooke, Adam won't talk to her And she
gets a taste of Janet's wrath to boot!
Greg
GDI
Brookie's a creep>, 'l...@mail.snet.net' wrote:
>I never really liked Brooke. I thought she always had this
>holier-than-thou attitude. But let's consider recent events:
>
>1) Janet saved Brooke's child's life. You think she would have some
>concern for Janets feelings. She KNOWS Janet's nuts about Pearce but
>she hopped in the sack with him in nothin' flat!
>
person/character. Then it must also follow that Brooke's feelings, needs
and desires are more important than Janet's ever could be. Brooke would
not be in the wrong for sleeping with someone unless he was involved with
another "superior" character, like Dixie or Laurel.
I'd love to see some really disgusting love scenes between Brooke and
Porkchop! She could teach him all the cool techniques she learned from
Pierce. I want a slo-mo of Brooke licking Porkchop's face. She could be
really tacky and ask him in the heat of the moment if Laurel could lick
face as good as she can. Porkchop would have to tell the truth. The
answer is no, her lips got in the way.
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Shari
GDI
FRP:RV
VOOWS:ANGIE
Carolyn Zaccaria
>
>Was that tone really necessary?
I'd have to agree with Natasha.
Lorel, couldn't you tone it down a bit ????? -)))))))))))))
Caz "I know, buddinsky!"
Sean P. Griffin
>I'd love to see some really disgusting love scenes between Brooke and
>Porkchop! She could teach him all the cool techniques she learned from
>Pierce. I want a slo-mo of Brooke licking Porkchop's face. She could be
>really tacky and ask him in the heat of the moment if Laurel could lick
>face as good as she can. Porkchop would have to tell the truth. The
>answer is no, her lips got in the way.
You are *disgusting*!!! I **love** it!!!
Ugh, a week with you as head writer and we'd all be either running for
the hills or calling doctors from laughing too hard!
Keep up the good work!
Sean "Just Picturing This Gives Me Shivers" Griffin
Jeremy
> In article <4k70ib$b...@news.injersey.com> jer...@nj5.injersey.com (Jeremy ) writes:
> >Erica's not even worth writing about. I fast-forward through 90% of her
> >scenes anyway. While Brooke is a character I can get into not liking,
> >Erica just isn't enjoyable at any level.
> Aw Jeremy, if you watch her sometimes she has some really good lines.
> Sometimes so self-serving you have to laugh!
Yeah, and I have to laugh, too, because not long after I posted that,
Erica came home from the Ford center, and actually impressed me greatly
by admitting to being the driver in the hit-and-run, and actually acting
like a decent human being for once. Leave it to Erica to prove me wrong.
> I have been FF'ing thru all of the Julia and Noah love scenes/kissing
> in the water etc. wicked boring! I know what smooching looks like!
Me too. Do they really think we enjoy watching hours of slo-mo music
videos of these two rolling around in the water? Am I the only one who
actually really likes both of these characters, yet feels there's NOTHING
there with them as a couple?
Jeremy
jer...@injersey.com
Nancy Kay
> Me too. Do they really think we enjoy watching hours of slo-mo music
> videos of these two rolling around in the water? Am I the only one who
> actually really likes both of these characters, yet feels there's NOTHING
> there with them as a couple?
>
They do show a real caring for one another, but I see them more as
"comfortable" than "passionate" which is a little strange for a couple
who've never had time to really be together enough to get to the
"comfortable" part. You know, like old married people :)
Nancy K
FGC - Kevin Unlimited - Monitor of the Twin Studies
Darren Stephens
Zaccaria) writes:
>
>Lorel, couldn't you tone it down a bit ????? -)))))))))))))
>
>Caz "I know, buddinsky!"
>
Hey, Caz, I'm toning it *out* on this matter. I've learned my lesson.
Yech. From now on I shall try to be good. Or at least as good as
Brooke. And I shall try to use emoticons, as Leslie so generously
suggested to let people know when I'm just kidding.
Thanks, BTW, Caz, for the ^^^^^gentle^^^^^ plea. It felt like peat
moss running through my fingers.
Lorel :) Stephens