AMC: Is Maria pregnant?
JenjoCh
Does anyone know if she is? Also, what do you think will happen to
Kelsey's baby? There are so many possibilities with 1)her crush on
Edmund, 2) Bobby Warner being the baby, 3) the Martin connection.
What do you think? (Sorry if this has been posted or asked before...)
Pine Valley Kid
barb gaynor
nauseous. My that's quick.
Also seems as if we'll have *another* miracle baby in Pine Valley.
I may throw up.
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barb....@sasknet.sk.ca
Anne L. Kaider
<lin...@lambton.on.ca> writes:
>
>I believe Maria is pregnant and Kelsey will keep her baby and perhaps
>stay in Pine Valley and work as a journalist with Tempo Magazine.
>
I think Maria is pregnant too. Another woman who just *has* to have her
*own* baby as some sort of trophy and proof of womanhood. (sigh) Then
she can lose interest just like she lost interest in Kelsey's baby once
it was a sure thing.
Kelsey is on her way out of town, so we will have to see what happens
there. I think she will end up having her baby in some out of the way
place where she has no choice but to take care of it, at least till she
can find something to do with it, and then will end up loving it and
not wanting to give it up. So I think you are right about your
predictions. It remains to be seen how it will all happen. :)]
Anne Kaider
Michael Holmes
: Maria's apparently a week or so 'late' and already she's tired and
: nauseous. My that's quick.
: Also seems as if we'll have *another* miracle baby in Pine Valley.
: I may throw up.
Well, in this case, though, Maria and Edmund have been trying and
trying for months, now, (which is almost 5 years in real-life!), and
they've tried all sorts of fertility procedures, and had several
disappointments... so it's actually a bit more realistic than, say,
*Brooke's* miraculous 'my permanent infertility must have reversed
itself' pregnancy.
-mike the mad
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Jeanie Vella
:
: Maria's apparently a week or so 'late' and already she's tired and
: nauseous. My that's quick.
: Also seems as if we'll have *another* miracle baby in Pine Valley.
: I may throw up.
Monday's comments by Maria bothered me: something like "we got
pregnant when we just RELAXED!" Excuse me? Isn't this the exact
line of thinking that is *never* supposed to be mentioned regarding
infertility. It's so rude. It implies that the problem was
*created* by them to begin with!
I've never had a fertility problem, but have friends who have. I can
imagine that infertile AMC fans out there will be PO'd.
Jeanie
Linda Collins
Judi Geistlinger
I am! My husband and I went threw 5.5 years of trying and 1.5 of those
with an infertility specialist. I haven't been to the specialist in more
than two years, and out of the blue we are expecting. I have heard
repeatedly that we must have just relaxed. What bullshit. Like I didn't give
up two years ago? Like we weren't having fun at the beginning? What
crap. It is one of those things you just do not say to people who are
trying to conceive. It puts the blame on them, where it could be anywhere
from nutrition (which most specialists don't touch) to light at night (my
personal theory since once I darkened the room within two months we
were expecting) to just a matter of time. Ugh. Please do not hurt anyone
who is trying to conceive by ever uttering the "if you just relax" argument!
Judi
j...@uiuc.edu
Anne L. Kaider
Vella) writes:
>
>barb gaynor (ga...@explorer.sasknet.sk.ca) wrote:
>:
>: Maria's apparently a week or so 'late' and already she's tired and
>: nauseous. My that's quick.
>: Also seems as if we'll have *another* miracle baby in Pine Valley.
>: I may throw up.
>:
>
>Monday's comments by Maria bothered me: something like "we got
>pregnant when we just RELAXED!" Excuse me? Isn't this the exact
>line of thinking that is *never* supposed to be mentioned regarding
>infertility. It's so rude. It implies that the problem was
>*created* by them to begin with!
>
>I've never had a fertility problem, but have friends who have. I can
>imagine that infertile AMC fans out there will be PO'd.
>
>
I heard that "relaxed" comment and it puzzled me. Didn't Maria have
surgery to correct her infertility and just recently didn't she say the
doctor examined her to see how she had healed and he told her the
surgery and healing were a complete success and there was no reason she
couldn't become pregnant now??? Did I mis-hear something? I thought
THAT was the obvious reason, if in fact she was pregnant. But she then
credited it to "relaxing." How could she and Edmund forget she was
now "fixed"?
Anne Kaider
MGOL...@mtsacvm.mtsac.edu
Michelle P Star <m...@esu.edu> writes:
>On 2 Feb 1996, JenjoCh wrote:
>
>> I watched today's episode (2/2) and it looks like Maria might be pregnant.
>> Does anyone know if she is? Also, what do you think will happen to
>> Kelsey's baby? There are so many possibilities with 1)her crush on
>> Edmund, 2) Bobby Warner being the baby>
disclosed but possibly referred to in other posts with the heading New Story
line. I think Kelsey will go into labor very soon brought on by her
assault ordeal and that she and Bobby will both decide they want to keep
*their* baby.
Marilyn <mgol...@ibm.mtsac.edu>
Judi Franz
Jeanie Vella <jea...@teleport.com> wrote:
>
>Monday's comments by Maria bothered me: something like "we got
>pregnant when we just RELAXED!" Excuse me? Isn't this the exact
>line of thinking that is *never* supposed to be mentioned regarding
>infertility. It's so rude. It implies that the problem was
>*created* by them to begin with!
>
>I've never had a fertility problem, but have friends who have. I can
>imagine that infertile AMC fans out there will be PO'd.
Yeah, like me. I was so angry that the stupid-a** writer had Maria
say those lines that I stopped my tape and told my husband that I
wouldn't need to be taping AMC anymore (at least for a while).
She's supposed to be a DOCTOR, for g*d's sake, how can she possibly
believe that "just relax" crap? Aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh!
I was reasonably happy with this storyline so far, in that it has
taken them over a year of treatments, etc. I am a little relieved that
she really isn't pregnant now, so there's no creedence to her little
"we just relaxed" philosophy. No amount of relaxation in the world
is going to overcome the real, physical obstacles to conception that
many of us face.
OK, I'm done ranting now. I just needed to get this all out, so
I can "relax" enough for my insemination attempt next week!
Judi Franz
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Mary A. Wu
> someone else wrote
>> Monday's comments by Maria bothered me: something like "we got
>> pregnant when we just RELAXED!"
When my husband heard that he was ready to prevent me from causing
something to FLY at the tv (at a very high velocity).
>I am! My husband and I went threw 5.5 years of trying and 1.5 of those
>with an infertility specialist. I haven't been to the specialist in more
>than two years, and out of the blue we are expecting. I have heard
>repeatedly that we must have just relaxed.
And I was rather proud of Judi that the people that told her that
actually lived :} - I probably would have shot them.
I'm on a mailing list of people that are experiencing pregnancies
after infertility and there was a discussion of the "relax" theory.
MANY of the women on that list got pregnant during *very* stressful
cycles so that blows that theory.
>Ugh. Please do not hurt anyone
>who is trying to conceive by ever uttering the "if you just relax" argument!
Mary's useful advice for the day
NEVER EVER tell a woman who's on hormone treatment to "just relax"
unless (a) you really do have a death wish or (b) you have LOTS and
LOTS of chocolate.
Mary "wondering just how many people are going to catch that" Wu
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Mary A. Wu
>Well, in this case, though, Maria and Edmund have been trying and
>trying for months, now, (which is almost 5 years in real-life!), and
>they've tried all sorts of fertility procedures, and had several
>disappointments...
Also Maria just had a secone lap - and while it's not a cure for
infertility it's not UNheard of for someone to get pregnant a cycle
or two after a lap (or a HSG) because (especially in a case like
Maria's where the lap was done to remove scar tissue) the procedure
helps to clear the plumbing "just enough"
> so it's actually a bit more realistic than, say,
>*Brooke's* miraculous 'my permanent infertility must have reversed
>itself' pregnancy.
PREGNANCIES
^^^^
Jamie & the ectopic pregnancy.
Carol S. Boshears
<j...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> jea...@teleport.com (Jeanie Vella) wrote:
> >
> > barb gaynor (ga...@explorer.sasknet.sk.ca) wrote:
> > :
> > : Maria's apparently a week or so 'late' and already she's tired and
> > : nauseous. My that's quick.
> > : Also seems as if we'll have *another* miracle baby in Pine Valley.
> > : I may throw up.
> > :
> >
> > Monday's comments by Maria bothered me: something like "we got
> > pregnant when we just RELAXED!" Excuse me? Isn't this the exact
> > line of thinking that is *never* supposed to be mentioned regarding
> > infertility. It's so rude. It implies that the problem was
> > *created* by them to begin with!
> >
> > I've never had a fertility problem, but have friends who have. I can
> > imagine that infertile AMC fans out there will be PO'd.
>
> I am! My husband and I went threw 5.5 years of trying and 1.5 of those
> with an infertility specialist. I haven't been to the specialist in more
> than two years, and out of the blue we are expecting. I have heard
> repeatedly that we must have just relaxed. What bullshit. Like I didn't give
> up two years ago? Like we weren't having fun at the beginning? What
> crap. It is one of those things you just do not say to people who are
> trying to conceive. It puts the blame on them, where it could be anywhere
> from nutrition (which most specialists don't touch) to light at night (my
> personal theory since once I darkened the room within two months we
> were expecting) to just a matter of time. Ugh. Please do not hurt anyone
> who is trying to conceive by ever uttering the "if you just relax" argument!
>
> Judi
> j...@uiuc.edu
I really don't think they meant to insult or make
light of the infertility problem. Stress (as I am too aware) can
do havoc with a person mentally and physically and I don't doubt
that terrible stress can be a factor in almost all illnesses or
problems. It will alter the flow of body chemistry etc. and this
has nothing to do with it being anyones' "fault"! Having suffered
from depression, I can verify that. I think maybe they meant
"relaxing" as an attitude/life change. Well, that's what I
believe anyway.
Carol
Judi Geistlinger
>
> >I watched today's episode (2/2) and it looks like Maria might be
> pregnant.
> > Does anyone know if she is? Also, what do you think will happen to
> >Kelsey's baby? There are so many possibilities with 1)her crush on
>
> >What do you think? (Sorry if this has been posted or asked before...)
>
> It's negative, but still I think she is pregnant. I don't know what the
> accuracy of those tests is when they're done by a hospital, but I think
> that if she a couple a days late, that even a pregnancy test done in the
> hospital still wouldn't be too accurate.
Actually, they have really improved the tests. I found out I was
pregnant with a blood test four days late. I have had tests in the past,
when going through infertility treatments 14 days post-ovulation, and
the tests were very accurate. Technology does improve things. The home
tests are not always accurate, but are getting better.
Judi
j...@uiuc.edu
SusanBY
pregnant.
> Does anyone know if she is? Also, what do you think will happen to
>Kelsey's baby? There are so many possibilities with 1)her crush on
>Edmund, 2) Bobby Warner being the baby, 3) the Martin connection.
>What do you think? (Sorry if this has been posted or asked before...)
I saw the episode where she gets the results from the pregnancy test.
It's negative, but still I think she is pregnant. I don't know what the
accuracy of those tests is when they're done by a hospital, but I think
that if she a couple a days late, that even a pregnancy test done in the
hospital still wouldn't be too accurate.
Susan
Cheryl LaGue
>In article <4f8oh3$1...@maureen.teleport.com>,
>Jeanie Vella <jea...@teleport.com> wrote:
>>
>>pregnant when we just RELAXED!" Excuse me? Isn't this the exact
>>line of thinking that is *never* supposed to be mentioned regarding
>say those lines that I stopped my tape and told my husband that I
>wouldn't need to be taping AMC anymore (at least for a while).
>She's supposed to be a DOCTOR, for g*d's sake, how can she possibly
>believe that "just relax" crap? Aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh!
>
>I can "relax" enough for my insemination attempt next week!
>
>
>Judi Franz
>
to me. I KNOW that for many (and I guess Maria)infertility is a
phsyical problem. However, lets be fair here, for those of us with
no "physical" reasons to *not* be able to get pregnant (I had every
test, took all the available fertility drugs, was carefully monitored,
have THREE years worth of basal body temp records etc) STRESS is in
fact a very important factor. Take *just relax* any way you want, but
when you are completely stressed and obssessed with having a baby,
sometimes it just doesnt happen. When you let the stress go and dont
think about it, pregnancy can occur.
Neither my ex-husband or I had any physical reasons that we couldnt
get pregnant, yes the stress wrecked our marriage, and yes his girl
friend was pregnant immediatly. Two years after the divorce, when the
last thing I was thinking of was getting pregnant, I became pregnant.
And, I was using protection too!
So, Im sorry to those of you with physical reasons that prevent a
pregnancy, but I have to say, the "just relax" theory is not in
any way total bs. It can be an issue for some.
Cheryl
Patty Sawyer-Ethen
>
>ma...@MCS.COM (Mary A. Wu) wrote:
>
>>>> Monday's comments by Maria bothered me: something like "we got
>>>> pregnant when we just RELAXED!"
>When my BH heard it he told me to get up, do some jumping jacks, call
>my mother, check my voice mail at work, count the actual number of
>days left of my life, consider how many grams of fat were in the
>Senorita Platter I had for lunch and reflect on Bob Dole's standing in
>the polls.
>
>Mary in Big D (I'm a freakin' basket case)
Oh, Mary, you are just too funny! Hopefully, there won't be even a
*hint* of any of this in his love letter for vd. :)
Mary, Claud and I went out to Mexican last night, and as one margarita
was about to be whisked off and another had already been whisked on, I
took Claud's two beer bottles and the two margarita glasses and put them
in front of me and told him that I wished we had a camera so I could show
Mary in Big D. He laughed and said that you sound like a caller on the
"Larry King Show." "OK, go ahead Mary in Big D, you're on." We chuckled
about that all the way home.
Patty "now thinking about how many fat grams were in her Chimichanga
combo last night... ewwwww"
Mary A. Wu
>sus...@aol.com (SusanBY) wrote:
>> I saw the episode where she gets the results from the pregnancy test.
>> It's negative, but still I think she is pregnant. I don't know what the
>> accuracy of those tests is when they're done by a hospital,
>Actually, they have really improved the tests. I found out I was
>pregnant with a blood test four days late.
I found out with a Blood test - ONE day late (but if you know me and you
know Judi you know that one of us is more patient than the other :})
> The home tests are not always accurate, but are getting better.
Of course, the most accurate ones are the most difficult and the
most expen$ive.
Mary A. Wu
>In article <4fas3v$e...@news.service.uci.edu> jfr...@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (Judi Franz) writes:
>>In article <4f8oh3$1...@maureen.teleport.com>,
>>Jeanie Vella <jea...@teleport.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Monday's comments by Maria bothered me: something like "we got
>>>pregnant when we just RELAXED!"
>>OK, I'm done ranting now. I just needed to get this all out, so
>>I can "relax" enough for my insemination attempt next week!
> So, Im sorry to those of you with physical reasons that prevent a
> pregnancy, but I have to say, the "just relax" theory is not in
> any way total bs. It can be an issue for some.
The problem is that in our society people ALWAYS hear about the (few)
people who get pregnant when they "just relax," therefore they often
assume that if one "just relaxes" then they can get pregnant, so they
tell people to JUST RELAX - when they DON'T KNOW WHAT THE (word that
I can't insert because I have no idea what the bill that Bill signed
says) is going on with the person.
"Just relaxing" DOES NOT increase a low sperm count, make PCO go away,
repair badly scarred tubes, or "cure" immune response problems.
Yes -- relaxing SOMETIMES helps -- but in the *VAST MAJORITY* of cases
it does not. And these are the people you DON'T hear about. These
are the women that get *REAL* tired of people asking "when are you
going to have kids" and get completely frustrated about people saying
"I had kids after I relaxed - you should try it."
(not to mention that it borders on dangerous to tell a person that is
undergoing hormone treatment to "just relax." :}
Mary Grace Smith
>tell people to JUST RELAX - when they DON'T KNOW WHAT THE (word that
>I can't insert because I have no idea what the bill that Bill signed
>says) is going on with the person.
Are you saying that we may not be able to CUSS????? There are some
points which I just connot fully communicate without a little cussing.
Mary in Big D
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writes:
>ma...@MCS.COM (Mary A. Wu) wrote:
>
>
>>tell people to JUST RELAX - when they DON'T KNOW WHAT THE (word that
>>I can't insert because I have no idea what the bill that Bill signed
>>says) is going on with the person.
>
>Are you saying that we may not be able to CUSS????? There are some
>points which I just connot fully communicate without a little cussing.
>
>Mary in Big D
Ahem...I have just returned from a jaunt to newsgroup where they are
discussing (if you can call it that :/ ) the issue of the decency bill.
Luckily, one person (only ONE that I saw so far) actually read the
bill and was able to cite directly from it. The gist of it is:
The only real changes are for "telecommunications", the definition of
which *specifically* excludes online services and computer systems
connected to the Internet. The same old obscenity laws apply to the
net as have always applied (and been ignored) so there are really no
changes as respects the net or online services.
The only changes are in sections that do NOT apply to the net.
So rest easy. For now anyway. :)
Anne
Risa J
fel...@isl1.ri.cmu.edu (Carol S. Boshears) writes:
>I really don't think they meant to insult or make
>light of the infertility problem. Stress (as I am too aware) can
>do havoc with a person mentally and physically and I don't doubt
>that terrible stress can be a factor in almost all illnesses or
>problems. It will alter the flow of body chemistry etc. and this
>has nothing to do with it being anyones' "fault"! Having suffered
>from depression, I can verify that. I think maybe they meant
>"relaxing" as an attitude/life change. Well, that's what I
>believe anyway.
>Carol
Adding TAN to the header because this has gone beyond Edmund and Marial.
Stress didn't scar Maria's tubes and Relaxing didn't remove the scar
tissue- Medical Intervention did.
FYI - Some members of the adoption list I subscribe to are writing protest
letters to TPTB for this mis-step in the infertility storyline. Most were
pleased with the story up to this point.
Risa
Barbara L. Horton
: ma...@MCS.COM (Mary A. Wu) wrote:
:
: >tell people to JUST RELAX - when they DON'T KNOW WHAT THE (word that
: >I can't insert because I have no idea what the bill that Bill signed
: >says) is going on with the person.
:
: Are you saying that we may not be able to CUSS????? There are some
: points which I just connot fully communicate without a little cussing.
:
: Mary in Big D
Hehe, I'm with you, Mary ;) To avoid a whole political discussion
since it really doesn't belong here, I'll just point out for anyone
that's interested how to find the text and let you make up your own
mind. I've seen so much BS, paranoia, and empty rhetoric from both
sides, I think it's probably best for people to read the actual bill
itself. Just a suggestion, but here's how to do it if you're
interested:
Go to THOMAS, the Library of Congress' info-central, at
http://thomas.loc.gov
Enter 'Full Text of Legislation'
Enter '104th Congress Bills
Search *only enrolled bills* -- "telecommunication"
First hit should be 'Telecommunications Act of 1996' -- enter that
About 2/3 of the way through is the section that pertains to this,
'Title V -- Obscenity and Violence' and
'Subtitle A -- Obscenity, Harrassment, and Wrongful
Utilization of Telecommunications Facilities'
It's surprisingly easy to read, once you get through the laywer-ese.
--
Barbara, "With Citizenship comes the Responsibility to stay informed,"
yadda, yadda, yadda....;)
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IHLC, Lady in Waiting for Someone to Smack the Stupid Bitch Upside
her Stupid Head
Carol S. Boshears
> In article <feline-0702...@gremlin.cimds.ri.cmu.edu>,
> fel...@isl1.ri.cmu.edu (Carol S. Boshears) writes:
>
> >I really don't think they meant to insult or make
> >light of the infertility problem. Stress (as I am too aware) can
> >do havoc with a person mentally and physically and I don't doubt
> >that terrible stress can be a factor in almost all illnesses or
> >problems. It will alter the flow of body chemistry etc. and this
> >has nothing to do with it being anyones' "fault"! Having suffered
> >from depression, I can verify that. I think maybe they meant
> >"relaxing" as an attitude/life change. Well, that's what I
> >believe anyway.
> >Carol
>
> Adding TAN to the header because this has gone beyond Edmund and Marial.
>
> Stress didn't scar Maria's tubes and Relaxing didn't remove the scar
> tissue- Medical Intervention did.
Scar tissue was not the subject- the term relaxing as
opposed to being depressed, uptight or whatever was- and that can have
a lot to do with one's health. No one has ever claimed that
scar tissue is caused by stress; don't get ridiculous, please.
Carol
Judi Geistlinger
>
> In article <4fjg53$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ri...@aol.com (Risa J) wrote:
>
> > In article <feline-0702...@gremlin.cimds.ri.cmu.edu>,
> > fel...@isl1.ri.cmu.edu (Carol S. Boshears) writes:
> >
> > >I really don't think they meant to insult or make
> > >light of the infertility problem. Stress (as I am too aware) can
> > >do havoc with a person mentally and physically and I don't doubt
> > >that terrible stress can be a factor in almost all illnesses or
> > >problems. It will alter the flow of body chemistry etc. and this
> > >has nothing to do with it being anyones' "fault"! Having suffered
> > >from depression, I can verify that. I think maybe they meant
> > >"relaxing" as an attitude/life change. Well, that's what I
> > >believe anyway.
> > >Carol
> >
> > Adding TAN to the header because this has gone beyond Edmund and Marial.
> >
> > Stress didn't scar Maria's tubes and Relaxing didn't remove the scar
> > tissue- Medical Intervention did.
>
> Scar tissue was not the subject- the term relaxing as
> opposed to being depressed, uptight or whatever was- and that can have
> a lot to do with one's health. No one has ever claimed that
> scar tissue is caused by stress; don't get ridiculous, please.
> Carol
>
But that is exactly what Maria claimed, despite having repeated corrective
surgery for her scar tissue! Maria claimed that once she relaxed they
conceived, somehow forgetting that less than a month ago, she had
corrective surgery.
Judi
j...@uiuc.edu