How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?

[The Starmaker]

Don't answer the qustion..
How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?

Because no matter what answer you give, you're going to be wrong.

So, don't embarrasss yourself...don't try to answer it.

And if a 3 year old askes you

"How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?"

any answer you give him will be a lie.


You might find somebody who will tell you how many Super-Earths are in the universe..
but they won't be able to tell you...How Many Planets Are There in our own Solar System?

Is there one person on this planet that can answer the question:
How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?

Any kids out there going to school tomorrow, I want you to ask your teacher this question:
How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?


The Starmaker

[alie...@gmail.com]

On Apr 9, 10:32 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Don't answer the qustion..
> How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?

What exactly is a "planet"?

Is Eris a planet? It orbits the sun, it's bigger than Pluto and even
has its own moon, Dysnomia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28dwarf_planet%29


Mark L. Fergerson

[Professor Bubba]

In article <4F83C5...@ix.netcom.com>, The Starmaker

<star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> "How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?"

Well, there's at least two: ours, and the one you're from.

[cloud dreamer]

LOL. Thanks for the tea nose cleaning....

;]

--
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Or the climate will do it for us

[T Guy]

There are eight planets in the Solar System. At least in the solar
system which I'm in.

Any kids out there going to school tomorrow, I want you to ask your
teacher this question:

Where are you?

[anim8rFSK]

In article
<70bf8719-8e4f-4fbf...@z38g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,

T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:

> On Apr 10, 6:32 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Don't answer the qustion..
> > How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
> >
> > Because no matter what answer you give, you're going to be wrong.
> >
> > So, don't embarrasss yourself...don't try to answer it.
> >
> > And if a 3 year old askes you
> >
> > "How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?"
> >
> > any answer you give him will be a lie.
> >
> > You might find somebody who will tell you how many Super-Earths are in the
> > universe..
> > but they won't be able to tell you...How Many Planets Are There in our own
> > Solar System?
> >
> > Is there one person on this planet that can answer the question:
> > How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
> >
> > Any kids out there going to school tomorrow, I want you to ask your teacher
> > this question:
> > How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
>
> There are eight planets in the Solar System. At least in the solar
> system which I'm in.

If someone has a magnifying glass and tweezers, I'd be happy to kick
Neil deGrasse Tyson in his miniature genitals 9 times.

--
So we're all agreed that Clod is stupid?

[Mason Barge]

Why don't you kick him somewhere it would hurt?

[Jim T.]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:26:44 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:

If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
outer Solar System?

[number6]

On Apr 10, 11:33 am, Jim T. <x...@y.z> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:26:44 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net>
> wrote:

>
> If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
> the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the

> outer Solar System?-

Like many rules ... Pluto should have been grandfathered into keeping
its planet designation ...

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Why not? Was that the reason for the change in definition? Because the
puling weak-willed astronomic community couldn't handle a few dozen
planets? For that they sacrificed noble Pluto, exiling her from her
rightful status? Cowards, I tell you! Cowards! I say to define as a
planet anything that has an escape velocity higher than that achievable
with a good ramp and a high-performance racecar, and let the names fall
where they may!

--
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/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com

[Bill Steele]

Just rephase the quesion:
How many "planets"are there in the solar system?

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anything. To ratiionally holdjthat position they must believe that they
are superior beings who will rise to the top in such a system. So
apparently most conservatives are egoists and many are too dumb to
understand how dumb they are.

[Wayne Throop]

: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: Don't answer the qustion..

: How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
: Because no matter what answer you give, you're going to be wrong.

Just because you want to pick nits doesn't mean there isn't a
reasonable, truthful, and perfectly cromulent answer to the question.

: Is there one person on this planet that can answer the question:

: How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?

Oh no. There are many more than one. Anybody who can read
the formal definition of "planet" (and add "known" so that the question
is is sensible) and knows a bit about what's been observed in the solar
system so far can answer the question.

[Evelyn Leeper]

On 4/10/12 11:33 AM, Jim T. wrote:

Sure.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home,
but unlike charity, it should end there. -Clare Boothe Luce

[Wayne Throop]

:: If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets

:: the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
:: outer Solar System?

: Evelyn Leeper <ele...@optonline.net>
: Sure.

But why would anybody *want* to keep Pluto? What reasonable motive is
there, really? And should we promote, say, Ceres?

[tphile2]

On Apr 10, 11:58 am, Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> On 4/10/12 12:12 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4/10/12 11:33 AM, Jim T. wrote:

> >> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:26:44 -0700, anim8rFSK<anim8r...@cox.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> In article
> >>> <70bf8719-8e4f-4fbf-8efc-56db034db...@z38g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,

Is this before or after When Worlds Collide?
and what about the Counter Earth in orbit around the far side of the
sun?
DCs Infinite Earths in their own dimension or alternate reality?
and wasn't the asteroid belt once a planet according to some stories?
Does Middle Earth count?
Planet Hollywood and The Daily Planet?
I suppose there are others

[Jim T.]

Even if there's 2000 of them, as one estimate says there might be?

[cloud dreamer]

The argument is silly. Pluto was considered a planet based on the
information available at the time. With technological advances and the
discovery that it's just one of many minor planets out there, they had
to pin down the definition. Pluto didn't fit. Simple.

It's like saying "well, we used to treat this or that disease by
bleeding the person. Just because we know that anti-biotics work today,
we should still bleed them cause that's the way it's always been."

D'oh!

..

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <4f846df9$0$24701$607e...@cv.net>,

I want to keep Pluto for the same reason we keep Europe & Asia.
--
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What's not in Columbia anymore..

[be...@iwaynet.net]

Hey where is Wormley? Isn't he some kind of telescope technician who
knows it all? I guess he's too busy with his new profession: Climate
Science Propagandist.

Personally I think this is so sad that science in general and physics in
particular has degenerated to nothing but a bunch of semantic word
games. Next you'll all arguing what the meaning of "is" is. It's already
happened here.

[Michael Stemper]

In article <13340...@sheol.org>, thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:
>: Evelyn Leeper <ele...@optonline.net>

>:: If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
>:: the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
>:: outer Solar System?
>

>: Sure.
>
>But why would anybody *want* to keep Pluto? What reasonable motive is
>there, really?

This discussion led me to look up some information on Pluto. Until today,
I never realized that its mass is 0.24% of Earth's. At this point, I'm
happy to fall in line with the IAU and consider it a non-planet.

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Reunite Gondwanaland!

[Evelyn Leeper]

On 4/10/12 1:58 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
> In article<13340...@sheol.org>, thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:
>> : Evelyn Leeper<ele...@optonline.net>
>
>> :: If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
>> :: the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
>> :: outer Solar System?
>>
>> : Sure.
>>
>> But why would anybody *want* to keep Pluto? What reasonable motive is
>> there, really?
>
> This discussion led me to look up some information on Pluto. Until today,
> I never realized that its mass is 0.24% of Earth's. At this point, I'm
> happy to fall in line with the IAU and consider it a non-planet.
>

The Earth's mass is 0.315% of Jupiter's.

[jonathan]

"Wayne Throop" <thr...@sheol.org> wrote in message
news:13340...@sheol.org...

Just call Pluto ...Planet-X


s

[Nix]

On 10 Apr 2012, Evelyn Leeper said:

> On 4/10/12 1:58 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
>> This discussion led me to look up some information on Pluto. Until today,
>> I never realized that its mass is 0.24% of Earth's. At this point, I'm
>> happy to fall in line with the IAU and consider it a non-planet.
>
> The Earth's mass is 0.315% of Jupiter's.

Thus, there are four planets in the solar system. (Of course we only
consider bodies large enough to retain decent hydrohelium atmospheres to
be planets. The rest is just rubble left over from the formation of the
solar system, and of no great importance.)

--
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[Quadibloc]

On Apr 10, 6:38 am, T Guy <Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:

> There are eight planets in the Solar System. At least in the solar
> system which I'm in.

Well, there are eight _major_ planets in our solar system.

And several _dwarf_ planets, including Eris, Pluto, and Ceres.

And over ten thousand known _minor_ planets. (Also known as asteroids
or planetoids.)

But, yes, while Pluto's demotion may be regrettable from a sentimental
point of view, I find it hard to accept it being criticized as
*confusing*.

John Savard

[Bill Snyder]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:30:11 GMT, thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
wrote:

>:: If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
>:: the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
>:: outer Solar System?
>
>: Evelyn Leeper <ele...@optonline.net>
>: Sure.
>
>But why would anybody *want* to keep Pluto?

Ask Mickey.


--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]

[Evelyn Leeper]

Give that man a gold star!

(This reminds me of Charles Hockett's "Design Features of Language"
which were supposedly originally postulated to define what a language
was, but seem to have ended up as a way to say that only humans have
language, by defining language as what humans have.)

[The Starmaker]

Translation: Wayne Throop has no idea How Many Planets There Are in our Solar System.

[Howard Brazee]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:10:14 -0400, Evelyn Leeper
<ele...@optonline.net> wrote:

>> Thus, there are four planets in the solar system. (Of course we only
>> consider bodies large enough to retain decent hydrohelium atmospheres to
>> be planets. The rest is just rubble left over from the formation of the
>> solar system, and of no great importance.)
>>
>
>Give that man a gold star!

And how many millions of moons does Saturn have?


Where did the authority come from to define planets and moons?

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

[Professor Bubba]

In article
<6be7580c-c081-4de0...@w17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,

I regret the demotion of Pluto, but it made sense.

The fun bit is that we sent a big expensive probe out there before
Pluto's demotion. No one's ever lavished so much attention on a dwarf
planet before, or likely will ever again. The Revenge of Pluto!

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

On 4/10/12 5:00 PM, Bill Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:30:11 GMT, thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
> wrote:
>
>> :: If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
>> :: the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
>> :: outer Solar System?
>>
>> : Evelyn Leeper<ele...@optonline.net>
>> : Sure.
>>
>> But why would anybody *want* to keep Pluto?
>
> Ask Mickey.

I was thinking more of asking the other Sailor Senshi, and the answer
is "because if you don't, she'll kill you all".

[Wayne Throop]

:::: This discussion led me to look up some information on Pluto. Until

:::: today, I never realized that its mass is 0.24% of Earth's. At this
:::: point, I'm happy to fall in line with the IAU and consider it a
:::: non-planet.

::: The Earth's mass is 0.315% of Jupiter's.

:: Thus, there are four planets in the solar system. (Of course we only
:: consider bodies large enough to retain decent hydrohelium atmospheres
:: to be planets. The rest is just rubble left over from the formation
:: of the solar system, and of no great importance.)

: Evelyn Leeper <ele...@optonline.net>
: Give that man a gold star!

"The solar system consists of the sun, jupiter, and some debris."
--- attribution disremembered

[Wayne Throop]

: Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net>
: Where did the authority come from to define planets and moons?

"Who are you to define what planets are?"
"Who do I have to be?"

Definitions are in large part inherrently a matter of convention.
Folks get together, either explicitly or implicitly, physically
or virtually, and rear up on their hind legs and agree.

Similarly, who do you have to be to define what force is, or mass?
Where does the authority come from? Well. It comes from the need to
communicate precisely. And the definition of planet we got now (in some
sense of having "got" one) is useful for communicating what is meant.
In oh-so-many-ways, it doesn't really make sense to call any of the
asteroids (no matter how large) or the Kuiper belt objects (no matter
how traditional) planets.

"What we've got *here* is... *fail*ure to com*mun*icate."

[Wayne Throop]

: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: Translation: Wayne Throop has no idea How Many Planets There Are in
: our Solar System.

You don't really translate very well.

If you mean, definitively and including all future discoveries,
then nobody does. In fact, nobody knows much of anything by that
ridiculous standard. If you mean, how many have been discovered
so far, then eight.

[David DeLaney]

And what about Nao^H^H^HBasidium?

Dave
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

[Quadibloc]

On Apr 10, 5:32 pm, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> :::: This discussion led me to look up some information on Pluto.  Until
> :::: today, I never realized that its mass is 0.24% of Earth's.  At this
> :::: point, I'm happy to fall in line with the IAU and consider it a
> :::: non-planet.
>
> ::: The Earth's mass is 0.315% of Jupiter's.
>
> :: Thus, there are four planets in the solar system.  (Of course we only
> :: consider bodies large enough to retain decent hydrohelium atmospheres
> :: to be planets.  The rest is just rubble left over from the formation
> :: of the solar system, and of no great importance.)
>

> : Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net>

> : Give that man a gold star!
>
> "The solar system consists of the sun, jupiter, and some debris."
>             --- attribution disremembered

Isaac Asimov.

John Savard

[Quadibloc]

On Apr 10, 4:16 pm, Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:

> The fun bit is that we sent a big expensive probe out there before
> Pluto's demotion.  No one's ever lavished so much attention on a dwarf
> planet before, or likely will ever again.  The Revenge of Pluto!

But they should have sent the probe out earlier, so it would have
reached Pluto before its atmosphere froze for the winter.

John Savard

[Howard Brazee]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:16:37 -0400, Professor Bubba
<bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:

>The fun bit is that we sent a big expensive probe out there before
>Pluto's demotion. No one's ever lavished so much attention on a dwarf
>planet before, or likely will ever again. The Revenge of Pluto!

The publicity may very well be the major reason for the demotion.

[tphile2]

On Apr 10, 6:19 pm, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"

<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> On 4/10/12 5:00 PM, Bill Snyder wrote:
>

> > On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:30:11 GMT, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)

> > wrote:
>
> >> :: If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
> >> :: the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
> >> :: outer Solar System?
>

> >> : Evelyn Leeper<elee...@optonline.net>

> >> : Sure.
>
> >> But why would anybody *want* to keep Pluto?
>
> > Ask Mickey.
>
>         I was thinking more of asking the other Sailor Senshi, and the answer
> is "because if you don't, she'll kill you all".
>
>
>
> --
>                       Sea Wasp
>                         /^\
>                         ;;;
> Website:http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:http://seawasp.livejournal.com

What did you expect? Pluto is a dog.

[William December Starr]

In article <13340...@sheol.org>,

thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) said:

> But why would anybody *want* to keep Pluto? What reasonable
> motive is there, really?

Because I learned "Mercury Venus Earth Mars Jupiter Saturn Uranus
Neptune Pluto" as a child, that's why!

-- wds (dadgummit)

[David DeLaney]

It's ok, when it lands it'll catch fire, right?

[ala]

"jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dYednX6hGLNNHRnS...@giganews.com...

itym satellite x
>
>

[Robert A. Woodward]

In article <100420121816377451%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,

No such attention on a dwarf planet? What about Dawn
(<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_(spacecraft)>). It's twice the
size of the Pluto New Horizons probe (though the mission is cheaper
since they used a smaller launch rocket).

--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>

[BCFD36]

Why do you feed the troll?

--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire

[Leif Roar Moldskred]

In rec.arts.sf.written The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?

Five Planets for the Magi-kings under the sky,
Eight for the School-kids in their halls of drones,
Nine for Moldy Men doomed to die,
One for the Drakh Lords on their dark thrones
On the globe of Z'ha'dum where the Shadows lie.

--
Leif Roar Moldskred

[Wayne Throop]

: BCFD36 <bcf...@cruzio.com>
: Why do you feed the troll?

Trolls gotta eat, same as buzzards and worms.
No wait, that's why it's not strictly necessary to bury corpses.
So, that's very different. Nevermind.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <0ek8o7dajmqd4f404...@4ax.com>, Jim T. <x@y.z>
wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:26:44 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><70bf8719-8e4f-4fbf...@z38g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
> > T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:

> >
> >> On Apr 10, 6:32 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> > Don't answer the qustion..

> >> > How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
> >> >

> >> > Because no matter what answer you give, you're going to be wrong.
> >> >

> >> > So, don't embarrasss yourself...don't try to answer it.
> >> >
> >> > And if a 3 year old askes you

> >> >
> >> > "How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?"
> >> >

> >> > any answer you give him will be a lie.
> >> >
> >> > You might find somebody who will tell you how many Super-Earths are in
> >> > the
> >> > universe..
> >> > but they won't be able to tell you...How Many Planets Are There in our
> >> > own
> >> > Solar System?

> >> >
> >> > Is there one person on this planet that can answer the question:

> >> > How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
> >> >

> >> > Any kids out there going to school tomorrow, I want you to ask your
> >> > teacher
> >> > this question:

> >> > How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
> >>

> >> There are eight planets in the Solar System. At least in the solar
> >> system which I'm in.
> >

> >If someone has a magnifying glass and tweezers, I'd be happy to kick
> >Neil deGrasse Tyson in his miniature genitals 9 times.

>
> If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
> the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
> outer Solar System?

If and when we discover them, sure. Something tossed Lucifer's Hamner
at us.

--
So we're all agreed that Clod is stupid?

[anim8rFSK]

In article <ujg8o7d0q3badvhn1...@4ax.com>,

> Why don't you kick him somewhere it would hurt?

Good point.

[Michael Stemper]

In article <4f847bdc$0$24199$607e...@cv.net>, Evelyn Leeper <ele...@optonline.net> writes:
>On 4/10/12 1:58 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:

>> In article<13340...@sheol.org>, thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:
>>> : Evelyn Leeper<ele...@optonline.net>

>>> :: If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets

>>> :: the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
>>> :: outer Solar System?
>>>

>>> : Sure.
>>>
>>> But why would anybody *want* to keep Pluto? What reasonable motive is
>>> there, really?
>>

>> This discussion led me to look up some information on Pluto. Until today,
>> I never realized that its mass is 0.24% of Earth's. At this point, I'm
>> happy to fall in line with the IAU and consider it a non-planet.
>
>The Earth's mass is 0.315% of Jupiter's.

If I lived on Jupiter, I'd find that relevant. As it is, I live on Earth,
so that's my standard.

Since the residents of Jupiter consider all other life forms to be
"vermin", anyway, I'm not too interested in their standards.

Pluto's mass is 0.24% of Earth's so that's too small. According to your
statement, Jupiter's mass is 317 times as large as Earth's, so it is
definitely big enough to count.

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
This sentence no verb.

[Michael Stemper]

In article <9uj9hp...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>In article <4f846df9$0$24701$607e...@cv.net>, Evelyn Leeper <ele...@optonline.net> wrote:

>>On 4/10/12 11:33 AM, Jim T. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:26:44 -0700, anim8rFSK<anim...@cox.net> wrote:

>>>>>> How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are eight planets in the Solar System. At least in the solar
>>>>> system which I'm in.
>>>>
>>>> If someone has a magnifying glass and tweezers, I'd be happy to kick
>>>> Neil deGrasse Tyson in his miniature genitals 9 times.
>>>

>>> If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
>>> the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
>>> outer Solar System?
>>
>>Sure.
>

>I want to keep Pluto for the same reason we keep Europe & Asia.

For the cuisine?

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>

Twenty-four hours in a day; twenty-four beers in a case. Coincidence?

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <jm4de9$7ko$2...@dont-email.me>,

Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <9uj9hp...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted
>Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>>In article <4f846df9$0$24701$607e...@cv.net>, Evelyn Leeper
><ele...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>On 4/10/12 11:33 AM, Jim T. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:26:44 -0700, anim8rFSK<anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are eight planets in the Solar System. At least in the solar
>>>>>> system which I'm in.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone has a magnifying glass and tweezers, I'd be happy to kick
>>>>> Neil deGrasse Tyson in his miniature genitals 9 times.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
>>>> the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
>>>> outer Solar System?
>>>
>>>Sure.
>>
>>I want to keep Pluto for the same reason we keep Europe & Asia.
>
>For the cuisine?
>

Well, the account of farming on Pluto in _First Lensman_ iirc did sound
rather intriguing..
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What's not in Columbia anymore..

[The Starmaker]

I'm confused, is it eight or nine?

[The Starmaker]

Pluto has it's own moons
Pluto has seasons
it has it's own global warming
it revolves around the sun..
it probably has trees.

Did anybody bothered to look?

They just discovered another
sun with nine planets...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/04/120410-star-system-more-planets-sun-hd10180-space-science/

did i say "another"?

I'm confused.

Who is creating this...confusion?


The Starmaker

[William December Starr]

In article <jm4cba$1so$2...@dont-email.me>,
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) said:

> Evelyn Leeper <ele...@optonline.net> writes:
>
>> The Earth's mass is 0.315% of Jupiter's.
>
> If I lived on Jupiter, I'd find that relevant. As it is, I live on
> Earth, so that's my standard.
>
> Since the residents of Jupiter consider all other life forms to be
> "vermin", anyway, I'm not too interested in their standards.
>
> Pluto's mass is 0.24% of Earth's so that's too small. According to
> your statement, Jupiter's mass is 317 times as large as Earth's,
> so it is definitely big enough to count.

By that kind of logic, isn't Jupiter too big to be a planet?

-- wds

[Wayne Throop]

:: If you mean, how many have been discovered so far, then eight.

: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: I'm confused, is it eight or nine?

You found that simple declarative sentence confusing?
Or more likely, you pretend to for the sake of trollery.
Why am I not surprised?

How many bodies in the solar system have been discovered that orbit the
sun, are roughly spherical due to self-gravitation, and are alone in
their orbit? What's confusing about that? Simple, straightforward,
and the answer is eight.

There are of course corner cases. Arguably, earth should be disqualified
since arguably the moon is actually orbiting the sun (what with its
path being always curved towards the sun), but those arguments are not
convincing, so nobody sensible pays much attention to them.

[Wayne Throop]

: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: Pluto has it's own moons Pluto has seasons it has it's own global

: warming it revolves around the sun.. it probably has trees.

Gee you say that almost as if you thought it were relevant. But of
course, the word "planet" does not now mean, and never has meant, "a
body that has one or more moons, seasons, orbits the sun, and probably
has trees", so in actual fact these are all irrelevant. In addition to
the last one being rather obviously incorrect.

: I'm confused.

Nah you're just retending to be confused.

: Who is creating this...confusion?

Well, you're the one pretending to be confused.
Pretty much nobody else is either confused or pretending to be.
So, pretty much, you're just making it up.

[cloud dreamer]

On 11/04/2012 4:26 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:
> : The Starmaker<star...@ix.netcom.com>
> : Pluto has it's own moons Pluto has seasons it has it's own global
> : warming it revolves around the sun.. it probably has trees.
>
> Gee you say that almost as if you thought it were relevant.

Pluto has its own global warming? Gee, someone should tell NASA.
Especially given that we have yet to observe Pluto complete a full
orbit. We've only known about it for about 1/3 of its current "year."

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm

..

--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us

[The Starmaker]

It hasn't been...settled whether it's 8 or 9.

[The Starmaker]

If a kid askes me, "How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?", I'm not going to tell him eight.
I'm going to tell him, "These fuckin people don't know anything!"

[Wayne Throop]

:: How many bodies in the solar system have been discovered that orbit

:: the sun, are roughly spherical due to self-gravitation, and are alone
:: in their orbit? What's confusing about that? Simple,
:: straightforward, and the answer is eight.

: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: It hasn't been...settled whether it's 8 or 9.

It's as settled as settled can be.
You're the one claiming the possibility of nine. Name them.

[Wayne Throop]

: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: If a kid askes me, "How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?",

: I'm not going to tell him eight. I'm going to tell him, "These fuckin
: people don't know anything!"

In short, you're going to lie to him.
Your motive for telling such a whopper is unclear.
But it's probably just trollery.

[Sjouke Burry]

wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote in news:jm4i3m$lph$1
@panix3.panix.com:

Yep, it is a failed sun, still emitting a bit more energy then it
recieves from the sun, or so I have been told.

[The Starmaker]

A planet doesn't need to be revolving a sun to be called a ...planet.

I don't suscribe to the Idiots Astronomical Union (IAU)

[Duggy]

On Apr 10, 10:36 pm, Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>
wrote:
> In article <4F83C5D9.5...@ix.netcom.com>, The Starmaker

>
> <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > "How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?"
>

> Well, there's at least two: ours, and the one you're from.

+1.

===
= DUG.
===

[Duggy]

On Apr 11, 2:09 am, number6 <snumb...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Apr 10, 11:33 am, Jim T. <x...@y.z> wrote:

>
> > On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:26:44 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
> > the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the

> > outer Solar System?-
>
> Like many rules ... Pluto should have been grandfathered into keeping
> its planet designation ...

Why? It's just one of many tiny chunks of rock the same orbit. Hell,
even it's own moon is so big they revolve around each other. Why
isn't that a planet?

===
= DUG.
===

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> writes:

> In article <4F83C5...@ix.netcom.com>, The Starmaker

> <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> "How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?"
>
> Well, there's at least two: ours, and the one you're from.

Are you sure that one is in the Solar System? I think it might be
somewhere farther away.
--
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[Bill Snyder]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:30:23 -0500, David Dyer-Bennet
<dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:

>Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> writes:
>
>> In article <4F83C5...@ix.netcom.com>, The Starmaker
>> <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?"
>>
>> Well, there's at least two: ours, and the one you're from.
>
>Are you sure that one is in the Solar System? I think it might be
>somewhere farther away.

Bizarro World is very far away indeed.

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]

[Androcles]

"Wayne Throop" <thr...@sheol.org> wrote in message
news:13341...@sheol.org...

EVERYTHING in the Solar System orbits the Sun, otherwise it
would not belong to the Solar System. Many moons are roughly
spherical due to self-gravitation, including those of the gas giants.
Your argument is unconvincing, you are not sensible, you are
as simple-minded as your definition.

[number6]

On Apr 11, 5:26 pm, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Like many rules ... Pluto should have been grandfathered into keeping
> > its planet designation ...
>
> Why?  It's just one of many tiny chunks of rock the same orbit.  Hell,
> even it's own moon is so big they revolve around each other.  Why
> isn't that a planet?

They found it and called it a planet ...

I know several PEs ..who became PEs way back when ,,, When they
changed they requirements ... They stayed PEs ...
There were other tiny chunks of rock (people with the same
qualifications) that now had new requirements that are not PEs ...

They were Grandfathered in ,,, just like Pluto should be ,,,
You just want to hurt Pluto's feelings ...

You are probably human ... maybe someday they'll change the
requirements ... and you won't qualify anymore ... I'm sure you'd be
pissed off ...

[John Gogo]

On Apr 10, 12:32 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Don't answer the qustion..

> How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
>

> Because no matter what answer you give, you're going to be wrong.
>
> So, don't embarrasss yourself...don't try to answer it.
>
> And if a 3 year old askes you
>

> "How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?"
>

> any answer you give him will be a lie.
>
> You might find somebody who will tell you how many Super-Earths are in the universe..
> but they won't be able to tell you...How Many Planets Are There in our own Solar System?
>
> Is there one person on this planet that can answer the question:

> How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
>

> Any kids out there going to school tomorrow, I want you to ask your teacher this question:

> How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
>

> The Starmaker

What is the total quantification of capture that the Sun has attracted?

[tphile2]

On Apr 11, 3:48 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Wayne Throop wrote:
>
> > :: If you mean, how many have been discovered so far, then eight.
>

> > : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>

> > : I'm confused, is it eight or nine?
>
> > You found that simple declarative sentence confusing?
> > Or more likely, you pretend to for the sake of trollery.
> > Why am I not surprised?
>
> > How many bodies in the solar system have been discovered that orbit the
> > sun, are roughly spherical due to self-gravitation, and are alone in
> > their orbit?  What's confusing about that?  Simple, straightforward,
> > and the answer is eight.
>
> > There are of course corner cases. Arguably, earth should be disqualified
> > since arguably the moon is actually orbiting the sun (what with its
> > path being always curved towards the sun), but those arguments are not
> > convincing, so nobody sensible pays much attention to them.
>
> A planet doesn't need to be revolving a sun to be called a ...planet.
>
> I don't suscribe to the Idiots Astronomical Union (IAU)

That's subscribe, not suscribe, and aren't you the founding member
anyway?

[ala]

"tphile2" <tph...@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:0a39ac53-6e46-41c5...@h12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...

>That's subscribe, not suscribe, and aren't you the founding member
>anyway?>

god NO
what has happened to all the memes!??!???!111

It's SUBSCIRB

[Wayne Throop]

: "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012>
: EVERYTHING in the Solar System orbits the Sun, otherwise it would not

: belong to the Solar System.

If you want to pick nits about terminology, feel free. There's still a
useful distinction to be made between the trajectory of something like
Ceres, and that of something like Phobos. In the normal way of speaking
the former orbits the sun, and the latter orbits Mars. Picking another
terminology doesn't change the useful disctinction to be made between
these two sets of circumstances. One is a moon, and hence not a
candidate for being a planet in its own right. The other is a
candicate, because it's not a moon. (It's also not a planet, but
that's because of all the other asteroids, which distinguishes it
from, say Mercury).

[Wayne Throop]

: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: A planet doesn't need to be revolving a sun to be called a ...planet.

How many planets are in the solar system if we call pluto a planet?
Eight. Just because you call something a planet doesn't make it one.
This is similar to dogs. How many legs does a bog-standard dog have if
you call the tail a leg. Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one.

[cloud dreamer]

Seriously, dude. Starmaker is a mentally ill individual. You could tell
him the sky is blue and he would dispute it. It's disturbing to think he
has children.

He fits fine in a killfile. No sense in feeding his delusions.

..

--

I told you so. You damned fools.

- H.G. Wells

[Joseph Nebus]

In <13341...@sheol.org> thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:

>How many planets are in the solar system if we call pluto a planet?
>Eight. Just because you call something a planet doesn't make it one.
>This is similar to dogs. How many legs does a bog-standard dog have if
>you call the tail a leg. Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one.

Don't let Starmaker drag you down to his level of stupid, if
such a thing is possible. What a 'planet' means is the group of things
we want to talk about when we say 'planet', and it's not like God is
going to come down and beat us up and steal our lunch money if we pick
it to mean something that includes Pluto (or that doesn't). These
classifications are not inherent to the structure of the universe.

--
http://nebusresearch.wordpress.com/ Joseph Nebus
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[Androcles]

"Wayne Throop" <thr...@sheol.org> wrote in message
news:13341...@sheol.org...

I was pointing out that your lame definition of a planet makes Luna
a planet instead of excluding Earth. Phobos isn't roughly spherical,
but Titan is and it is larger than Mercury. It also has an atmosphere,
which Mercury does not.

[Wayne Throop]

: "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012>
: I was pointing out that your lame definition of a planet makes Luna a

: planet instead of excluding Earth.

No, because my lame definigtion of a planet requires it to be alone
in its orbit (paraphrase of the IAU's "cleared its orbit of smaller
bodies" requirement). If you don't consider the moon to be orbiting
earth, then neither can be a planet, since they are both in a roughly
1au radius orbit. Neither is alone.

There are essentially three characteristics involved in planethood
by the now-conventional definition.

1. how massive the body
2. what is's orbiting
3. what other things are orbiting nearby

: Phobos isn't roughly spherical,

Which is irrelevant, since I was using it as an example of an object
not in orbit around the sun, not as an example of a planet.

: but Titan is and it is larger than Mercury. It also has an

: atmosphere, which Mercury does not.

But doesn't orbit the sun. No matter how many nits you pick, or how much
you object to the distinction, and no matter what you want to *call*
the distinction, the Titan's trajectory is not an orbit around the sun
in any reasonable sense. Its trajectory differs from Saturn's in that
Saturn's is much closer to being an elipse.

The moon's case is borderline. Titan's isn't.

[Androcles]

"Wayne Throop" <thr...@sheol.org> wrote in message

news:13342...@sheol.org...

>: "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012>
> : I was pointing out that your lame definition of a planet makes Luna a
> : planet instead of excluding Earth.
>
> No,

Yes, snipping fuckwit, your lame definition of a planet makes Luna a
planet, you fucking moron. You can stamp your feet, yell "No" and
scream if you want to.

[jonathan]

"ala" <alac...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:RsednaPQ8ofBbxnS...@earthlink.com...
>
> "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dYednX6hGLNNHRnS...@giganews.com...

>>
>> "Wayne Throop" <thr...@sheol.org> wrote in message

>> news:13340...@sheol.org...
>>> :: If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets

>>> :: the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
>>> :: outer Solar System?
>>>

>>> : Evelyn Leeper <ele...@optonline.net>
>>> : Sure.
>>>
>>> But why would anybody *want* to keep Pluto? What reasonable motive is
>>> there, really? And should we promote, say, Ceres?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Just call Pluto ...Planet-X
>>
>>
>> s
>
> itym satellite x
>>


I think the definition of a planet shouldn't be
by size, but whether it's large enough for
the interior to be segregated.

Our moon for instance, is certainly large enough
to be considered a planet. I think the Earth-Moon
system is really a binary planet system. It's rare
for a moon to be such a large fraction of the size
of the host planet.

And since Pluto is still a fuzzy dot in a telescope
I think it's too soon to call it a planet or not.

s




>>
>

[Androcles]

"jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:L5CdnWDo7ruRyRvS...@giganews.com...

Luna is a moon because the Earth-Luna barycentre is
below the surface of the Earth. If the separation were
greater so that the barycentre were above the surface
the system would be a double planet. You are correct
in re size, the Saturnian moon Titan is larger than
Mercury.

[Wayne Throop]

: "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012>
: Yes, snipping fuckwit, your lame definition of a planet makes Luna a
: planet, you fucking moron.

Ignoring the reason you are wrong about that won't sudenly make you right.
And it's hardly "mine", it'a juat a paraphrase of the IAU's.

( and in case you forgot, the reason you're wrong about it is the
requirement that a planet "clear its orbit"; neither earth nor luna
qualify for a planet, if luna isn't orbiting the earth; id luna is
orbitibng earth, then earth qualifies and luna does not )

[Duggy]

Ah, but Cruithne hasn't been cleared.

===
= DUG.
===

[Duggy]

On Apr 12, 10:05 am, number6 <snumb...@aol.com> wrote:
> You are probably human ... maybe someday they'll change the
> requirements ... and you won't qualify anymore ... I'm sure you'd be
> pissed off ...

If you qualify, I'll be glad not to.

===
= DUG.
===

[Androcles]

"Wayne Throop" <thr...@sheol.org> wrote in message
news:13342...@sheol.org...

>: "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012>
> : Yes, snipping fuckwit, your lame definition of a planet makes Luna a
> : planet, you fucking moron.
>
> Ignoring the reason you are wrong

Luna orbits the sun, is roughly spherical due to self-gravitation, and is
alone in its orbit. What's confusing about that? Simple, straightforward,
and the answer is YOUR definition is wrong, shithead.

[Nix]

On 11 Apr 2012, Sjouke Burry verbalised:

> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote in news:jm4i3m$lph$1
> @panix3.panix.com:
>

>> By that kind of logic, isn't Jupiter too big to be a planet?
>
> Yep, it is a failed sun, still emitting a bit more energy then it
> recieves from the sun, or so I have been told.

By that definition, *Earth* is a failed sun. I think you need to wind it
a bit tighter than that.

--
NULL && (void)

[Nix]

On 11 Apr 2012, Wayne Throop outgrape:

> How many bodies in the solar system have been discovered that orbit the
> sun, are roughly spherical due to self-gravitation, and are alone in

> their orbit? What's confusing about that? Simple, straightforward,
> and the answer is eight.

Why don't the Trojan asteroids lead to Jupiter being defined as 'not a
planet'? It is clearly not alone in its orbit (which dodge was
presumably added to prevent Ceres being defined as a planet).

> There are of course corner cases. Arguably, earth should be disqualified
> since arguably the moon is actually orbiting the sun (what with its
> path being always curved towards the sun), but those arguments are not
> convincing, so nobody sensible pays much attention to them.

Ah, right. So the real reason is that they could get away with
de-planeting Pluto, but de-planeting Earth or Jupiter would just make
the name 'planet' useless. :)

--
NULL && (void)

[oriel36]

On Apr 12, 4:17 am, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> : "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012>
> : I was pointing out that your lame definition of a planet makes Luna a
> : planet instead of excluding Earth.
>
> No, because my lame definigtion of a planet requires it to be alone
> in its orbit (paraphrase of the IAU's "cleared its orbit of smaller
> bodies" requirement).

Of course the orbit of Pluto temporarily changes place with Neptune so
Neptune hasn't cleared its orbit of smaller objects so I guess Neptune
is disqualified as a planet.

There are 9 planets with the last one a reminder that using your own
eyes and interpreting things correctly defines an astronomer besides
the world has gotten used to the increase in numbers of planets from 6
to 9.There is such a thing as common sense and style when approaching
astronomical matters but this 'planet definition' debacle isn't one of
them.

[jonathan]

"Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012> wrote in message
news:THshr.132327$o93....@fx05.am4...

>

> Luna is a moon because the Earth-Luna barycentre is
> below the surface of the Earth. If the separation were
> greater so that the barycentre were above the surface
> the system would be a double planet.

I never thought of that, thanks.

[Androcles]

"Nix" <nix-ra...@esperi.org.uk> wrote in message
news:87k41l6...@spindle.srvr.nix...

Even more amusing, the word "planet" meant wanderer because
they move against the "fixed" stars. Thus the Sun and Moon were
once planets. Planets were once gods that moved in their heavens
and there were seven of them, for which the days of the week
were named. The ancients were not aware of Neptune and Uranus
moving, they are not bright enough and move too slowly.

[T Guy]

On Apr 10, 9:42 pm, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Apr 10, 6:38 am, T Guy <Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>
> > There are eight planets in the Solar System. At least in the solar
> > system which I'm in.
>
> Well, there are eight _major_ planets in our solar system.

Yes, I treat the term 'planet' or 'adjectiveless planet' as meaning
what many call 'major planet,' i. e. the traditional eight of Mercury,
Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.
>
> And several _dwarf_ planets, including Eris, Pluto, and Ceres.
>
> And over ten thousand known _minor_ planets. (Also known as asteroids
> or planetoids.)
>
> But, yes, while Pluto's demotion may be regrettable from a sentimental
> point of view, I find it hard to accept it being criticized as
> *confusing*.

I am simply too idle to learn the names of all the planets if the
dwarf planets are included (note it also means learening which of them
are in the asteroid belt and which are in the Oort cloud).

[Mason Barge]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:33:17 -0400, Jim T. <x@y.z> wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:26:44 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
>wrote:
>
>>In article
>><70bf8719-8e4f-4fbf...@z38g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
>> T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:

>>
>>> On Apr 10, 6:32 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> > Don't answer the qustion..
>>> > How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
>>> >
>>> > Because no matter what answer you give, you're going to be wrong.
>>> >
>>> > So, don't embarrasss yourself...don't try to answer it.
>>> >
>>> > And if a 3 year old askes you
>>> >
>>> > "How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?"
>>> >
>>> > any answer you give him will be a lie.
>>> >
>>> > You might find somebody who will tell you how many Super-Earths are in the
>>> > universe..
>>> > but they won't be able to tell you...How Many Planets Are There in our own
>>> > Solar System?
>>> >
>>> > Is there one person on this planet that can answer the question:
>>> > How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
>>> >
>>> > Any kids out there going to school tomorrow, I want you to ask your teacher
>>> > this question:
>>> > How Many Planets Are There in the Solar System?
>>>

>>> There are eight planets in the Solar System. At least in the solar
>>> system which I'm in.
>>

>>If someone has a magnifying glass and tweezers, I'd be happy to kick
>>Neil deGrasse Tyson in his miniature genitals 9 times.

>
>If you want to keep Pluto, are you then willing to accept as planets
>the predicted dozens or more such objects yet to be discovered in the
>outer Solar System?

The problem with Pluto is that, once you give a stray a name and bring it
in the house, it becomes a pet.

I'd keep it for several reasons. First, school systems can't afford to
replace textbooks over something this trivial. Second, there are all
those trivia games, hanging mobiles, science museum exhibits, etc. Third,
it would be fun to screw with those power-hungry geeks who decided to
change it.

Find the other comparable-sized bodies, give them names and call them
"Planetoids" so we can have a new trivia question. Put an asterisk beside
Pluto if you have to, but keep it on the list.

[Michael Moroney]

To the base question, the answer is either 8 (new definition of planet) or
about 12+ by now (old definition), as several Pluto-like bodies
("plutoids") have been discovered, at least one (Eris) larger than Pluto.
They expect there may be about 100 of them. All are quite small, a
fraction of the size of our Moon.

"jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> writes:


>"Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012> wrote in message
>news:THshr.132327$o93....@fx05.am4...
>>

>> Luna is a moon because the Earth-Luna barycentre is
>> below the surface of the Earth. If the separation were
>> greater so that the barycentre were above the surface
>> the system would be a double planet.

>I never thought of that, thanks.

Whether the barycenter is above or below the surface of the planet depends
on the distance between them as well as the mass. Elevate the moon to
a higher orbit, and the barycenter is above Earth's surface, with no
change in mass involved. Same goes if the Earth was made denser, same
mass but smaller radius.

[Howard Brazee]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:01:19 -0400, "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Our moon for instance, is certainly large enough
>to be considered a planet. I think the Earth-Moon
>system is really a binary planet system. It's rare
>for a moon to be such a large fraction of the size
>of the host planet.

I strongly suspect you're right about its rarity. But we're just
starting to learn about planets outside of our local neighborhood.
Maybe we're wrong about its rarity.

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[David DeLaney]

First, snipping at least one of the groups Starmaker habitually crossposts
to EVERY SINGLE TIME HE POSTS, look at your Newsgroups: headers, people.

Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Find the other comparable-sized bodies, give them names and call them
>"Planetoids" so we can have a new trivia question. Put an asterisk beside
>Pluto if you have to, but keep it on the list.

"Plutonoids".

Dave
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[David Dyer-Bennet]

"Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012> writes:

> "Wayne Throop" <thr...@sheol.org> wrote in message
> news:13342...@sheol.org...
>>: "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012>
>> : Yes, snipping fuckwit, your lame definition of a planet makes Luna a
>> : planet, you fucking moron.
>>
>> Ignoring the reason you are wrong
>
>
> Luna orbits the sun, is roughly spherical due to self-gravitation, and is
> alone in its orbit.

This "alone" thing...I feel like you're overlooking something.
Something fairly obvious. Something you're sitting on.

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On 4/12/12 11:00 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:01:19 -0400, "jonathan"<wr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Our moon for instance, is certainly large enough
>> to be considered a planet. I think the Earth-Moon
>> system is really a binary planet system. It's rare
>> for a moon to be such a large fraction of the size
>> of the host planet.
>
> I strongly suspect you're right about its rarity.

Depends on what you mean by "rare"; Pluto-Charon is similar; IIRC
Charon's proportionately even larger.


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[Androcles]

"David Dyer-Bennet" <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote in message
news:ylfkobqx...@dd-b.net...

> "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012> writes:
>
>> "Wayne Throop" <thr...@sheol.org> wrote in message
>> news:13342...@sheol.org...
>>>: "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012>
>>> : Yes, snipping fuckwit, your lame definition of a planet makes Luna a
>>> : planet, you fucking moron.
>>>
>>> Ignoring the reason you are wrong
>>
>>
>> Luna orbits the sun, is roughly spherical due to self-gravitation, and is
>> alone in its orbit.
>
> This "alone" thing...I feel like you're overlooking something.
> Something fairly obvious. Something you're sitting on.

As pointed out by Nix, the Trojans share the same orbit
with Jupiter. By the moron Throop's definition, Jupiter
is not a planet as it is not alone in its orbit.
Nothing shares the same orbit with Luna, the Earth alternates
its altitude with Luna relative to the Sun.

This may be of interest:
http://faculty.ifmo.ru/butikov/Projects/Collection.html

[Wayne Throop]

: "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012>
: Luna orbits the sun, is roughly spherical due to self-gravitation, and

: is alone in its orbit. What's confusing about that?

Nothing confusing, it's simply wrong.
Specifically, it's not alone in its orbit.

[Wayne Throop]

: "Androcles" <H...@Hgwrts.phscs.Apr.2012>
: As pointed out by Nix, the Trojans share the same orbit with Jupiter.

: By the moron Throop's definition, Jupiter is not a planet as it is not
: alone in its orbit.

Nope. Lagrange points don't count.
For obvious reasons.

[Wayne Throop]

: oriel36 <kellehe...@gmail.com>
: Of course the orbit of Pluto temporarily changes place with Neptune so

: Neptune hasn't cleared its orbit of smaller objects so I guess Neptune
: is disqualified as a planet.

Interesting guess. Do you think you're right and nobody at the IAU
has caught this glarring error? Maybe you should tell them.

: There are 9 planets with the last one a reminder that using your own

: eyes and interpreting things correctly defines an astronomer

If you're using your own eyes, then it's at least questionable
that Neptune is a planet, and Pluto is right out, innit?